2 Clubs 1 Problem

Perhaps it was just myself but I couldn’t help but see some similarities between our transfer window and that of another big club , the Red Devil’s of Manchester.
Dad explained one day that when the youngsters are getting into footie the team of choice of those times usually benefits the most. Liverpool fans are in their fifties mostly due to the fact 40 years ago they were top dogs and thus were the “sexy” option if choosing a team in your youth and the Man Utd fans are in their 40’s and 30’s for the same reason. Makes sense when you think about it.
I will admit to having a sneaky wee affection for the English giants. Under Fergie you were generally given good football and at least you seen a team with a plan and spirit. Their stadium catches my eye also. Having Keano lead them out and scare the crap out of the Prem for a decade or so made for a great spectacle .
Not hard to find a united fan to natter with either.

You probably wont need me to tell you that during their window their Chief Exec decided not to sanction buying the list of players he was handed and the reasons journalists are stating is that those targets would have declined in value overall plus he didnt see value in the market for those that would increase,, too expensive sorry Jose.
To take this “ meddling “ further players the manager does not want are getting new contracts as the club see the player out lasting the manager.
That these scenes are at maybe the biggest club in the world should make many stop and think .

At our own club we know the Chief Exec was sent to purchase players within budget and came back empty handed, a few times. Its not quite the same as what the Man United guy did but its not that far off is it ? In essence we have people that dont work in the football department making football department decisions and claiming good of the club to media if they say anything at all.
This isnt a new phenomenon as we know Big Jock made sure he had full control of the team before taking the job but it seems a growing trend from where Im sitting.

I tried to think of another business or industry that something similar might take place . Still stumped.
Of course we all probably got orders from above we didn’t like one day and perhaps lost an employee/coworker when you would rather have kept them.
Didnt have the full eyes of the world on you though or the media spotlight and that spotlight gets fierce when it scents blood. In most jobs your boss would have to just suck it up if things ran a little less smooth due to being that missing employee down.
Doesnt work like that in football though and especially that club and that league where if you are even a little off dont expect happy endings. Then you have your reputation to protect and being treated one way by one club is licence for the next to try it on.

But it is right ? Should this happen ?
The answer is no it shouldn’t. At the top levels of the sport is not a stage where egos should clash or two departments should be out of alignment . Both should be on an agreed plan with one hand washing the other so to speak . If one party came in late to the table and has his own plan and doesn’t agree with the previous set up surely its best addressed at the end of season or early beginning the next campaign to find common ground . But meanwhile give a united front and see through the existing strategy until reviewed or replaced . At the absolute minimum give a aura of professionalism .

No , when it comes to public clashes then its the person above them who is at fault imo for not making sure both knew the script and areas were clearly defined . Both giants have owners who dont seem very involved and in my mind anyway this is where the problems arise.

These clubs are important and deserve owners and operators that know their roles and will do the very best for their institutions. Absentee landlords need not be out of the loop landlords . In both club’s leadership is required from the top. If its not forthcoming then they shouldn’t be there . It became their responsibility the day they took control and if they didnt want the big decisions to make then they should have stayed away.  We are watching Dermot.

I think we seen last week that through all the malarkey Brendan is still a leader, the players knew it especially after Moussa was flung , and it showed out on the pitch and in how he carried himself pre and post match . Not everything was rosy but we were professional and the job was done fullstop. Marker laid now onwards and upwards.

Over the border Jose got a much needed win also . He went on to be unprofessional though in his comments and actions after the game. Two men who each had bad windows react very differently after getting their win.
Seems on this occasion the master could do with learning from the apprentice .

Mahe the Madman
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September 5, 2018 7:21 am


It is very frustrating when people try to muscle in on roles for which they are not qualified,and where their input is detrimental.

Your Dad will probably remember demarcation from his working days. That is,effectively,people being told that they cannot perform a task for which they are not qualified.

There’s a reason why these exist,and it isn’t just unions playing silly buggers. It’s to protect people from themselves-and also to protect people from the actions of the willing but imbecilic.

As an example,about 20 years ago,I was working a two-man hydraulic press. Overtime shift,and I didn’t know my younger colleague. He mis-fed a plate and tried to retrieve it. His hand would have been mangled if I hadn’t pushed him away. Unfortunately,the mechanical guard caught me a dull one! Turned out,he had never worked on the shop floor,was from Accounts,and only helping out!!!

Good plan. Cost them a week of sick pay for me. At full rate. Nothing to what the delusions of our CEO have cost Celtic though.

big packy
September 5, 2018 8:05 am

morning mahe from a sun drenched Cheshire ,hope you enjoyed the result on sunday.hh.

September 5, 2018 11:47 pm

It is not that uncommon for Business execs who make decisions, to lack the shop floor experience and expertise of the practitioner.

In the NHS, management consultants make decisions on spending priorities which have a direct impact on the NHS’s ability to carry out certain medical procedures. And those managers and execs are, by and large, no longer recruited from the medical ranks.

Similarly, in education, we are in the early stages of attempting to resist Managerial trusts or Business consultants from running schools and arguing that they are freeing the teacher-trained staff to teach.

Jock Stein last coached us in the 70’s. it is a different world now and even Mourinho is a relic of that previous era. Barcelona’s eected President chooses signing targets, often promising them before elected. The Director of Football role was just being introduced in the UK when Jock was still with us. Initially, these were ex-managers, like Ron Greenwood at West Ham. That was the start of the end of managers making all the player recruitment decisions (targets, wages offered and transfer fees paid).

And the practice ended because it was unsustainable. A manager always wants more and sees only his immediate future as the important factor and not the club’s future. In their own ways, very good managers like Brian CLough, spent freely the modest sums that some not very well of f chairmen were able to muster for him. Harry Redknapp took it a stage further and came close to bankrupting some wealthier chairmen and owners.

That model had to end and it has ended. There is a tension in every club in the land between the money men and the squad assembler. Most managers accept that they have to work within this model. Only the very powerful get to buck the trend and enjoy more autonomy. Mourinho has learned that, despite his £319 m spend, he has not improved Man U sufficiently to be awarded that autonomy.

Brendan vis-a-vis Peter Lawwell may be a different power calculation than exists at Old Trafford but the principle is the same. Brendan did not ask for complete autonomy and he is still not demanding it, but, whereas he was relatively pleased with recruitment backing in previous windows, he is dissatisfied with this one. And we are all scarambling about trying to paint our viewpoint as the reason that he is dissatisfied- that he thinks the same as we do, even though he cannot say this for some reason.

Well, I am not convinced and I also seriously doubt that any of us will ever get much of a clearer picture of what caused the disafreement. These are serious professionals, both now experienced in their roles. PL has been doing his bit with WGS, NFL, RD and now BR. Even, if we think he is too long in the tooth and a bit burnt out or cynical, the next guy we get, whether ex-footballer or no, will still be accepting a “suit’s” role as DoF or CEO and will be judged nad treated as a suit.

Just look around at the world of football. How many incidents can you quote where the manager has not now successfully been reduced to the level of expendable development coach and where, on balance the PL type role offers greater continuity and longevity than does a coach’s job. That is the way of the modern world: I see few signs that we are going back to the days of Stein and CLough any time soon.