Monetising the Scottish Catholic Diaspora

‘Celtic has that same position in Scotland (as Juventus in Italy) – a very narrow, niche market where the media revenues are tiny.
But there is a diaspora of potential Celtic supporters from Scottish Catholics around the world that follow the club vicariously,” he said. “If ever Celtic were to tap into that supporter base more, or could morph their media rights from just the Scottish Premiership into something bigger, then the revenues of the company could double or triple very quickly.While there is nothing to suggest that the club will materially change in the short term, it is now run by businessmen who will likely monetise the club more successfully moving forward.’

Michael Lindsell.

Co-manager of Lindsell Train Global Equity fund.

8th February 2018

With the the Annual General Meeting of Celtic PLC set for the 21st of November focus is usually on the man who owns the majority of the shares in the Club, Dermot Desmond and the Chief Executive Officer Peter Lawwell. The names Michael Lindsell and Nick Train might not be quite as familiar,to many of the Scottish Catholics who follow Celtic, nor to many others from the club’s wide support.I read the above comment in an Investment Industry publication called ‘Trustnet’. The strapline for the publication is ‘Be Better Informed.’

The irony of that sentence won’t be lost on many Celtic supporters who have relied on guesses, rumours and speculation but have been met with a deafening silence from Celtic PLC, since the emergence of conclusive proof of cheating within Scottish football on an industrial scale.

Probably a few million words have been written about the scandal surrounding Rangers Football Club and it’s liquidation.The illusion of the same club, 54 Titles and all the tomfoolery that goes with the pretence that nothing really happened. What makes me feel uncomfortable is the behaviour and lack leadership displayed by the executives of  Scotland’s biggest and most influential Club, Celtic FC. With this nagging question in mind I started a bit of research to try and elucidate why.

At the time of writing it will cost you £1.63 to buy a share in Celtic PLC. On the 13th of October 2017 the same share would have cost you £1. On the 23rd of October 2013, all you would have had to part with was 64p. Clearly the Markets like Celtic at this moment in time. Shareholders are happy when the numbers are positive but many supporters feel a disquiet that just won’t go away about this whole ‘Rangers’ business.

Something feels wrong.

According to the records on Celtic’s Official Website, Dermot Desmond owns 34.9% of the shares in the club. Or to put it another way 16,342,110 shares. We could debate all day long the extent and motives behind Dermot’s ‘Emotional Purchase’ of Celtic shares. Desmond rarely comments on anything. His infamous favourable comments about Sevco in 2012, are a clue to his views regarding the loss of competition and revenue that the collapse of Rangers represented.

As Sevco started life in Division 3, Desmond allegedly told the BBC,

“For us, it’s disappointing that they’re (Sevco) not there,” Desmond told BBC Sport.

“But that was a decision by the various clubs, a decision by the various leagues and we accept those decisions.”

And he would have relished the continued domestic competition with Rangers at a time when he believes manager Neil Lennon has created a particularly strong squad.

“Rangers is a great football club, it has a great history and it’s unfortunate that they have been relegated,” said the Irish businessman.

“We would certainly like to contest with them every week – we believe we’ve got a better team and a better management structure.’

The use of words like history and relegation regarding the new club Sevco are ever so slightly embarrassing.

Further evidence of Celtic PLC’s view was given by Peter Lawwell on the 31st of August 2014 Lawwell told The Glasgow Herald’s Stewart Fisher,

“When Rangers went down we took £100 off the season tickets,” Lawwell said. “So that is £4m for two years. The Rangers games, that is at least another £3m. The fact there is a perception among our supporters that there is no competition and you are going to win anyway, and you don’t go to the game, so it could be £10m. We could have lost £10m a year, quite easily, on the back of Rangers going down.”

The words ‘went down’and ‘going down’ illustrate the PLC’s thinking.

Since about 2011 I have watched the highly respected Investment Company Linsdell Train Limited(LT) buy shares in Celtic PLC. In November 2011 LT purchased a 6% stake in Celtic and they have gradually increased their holding to become the second largest shareholder in our club. Currently they own 17.4% of the shares or 16,342,110 shares. These guys are Blue Chip…pardon the pun. They aren’t based in a address of convenience in Hong Kong or a pop up business in Johannesburg. Any reader can very quickly establish their bona fides by a simple search online. They are highly rated in a risky business, they are serious players.

Linsdeell Train was formed as a company by two guys, Nick Train and Michael Lindsell in 2000.The company are multi-award winning and the founders retain a 72% ownership of the Company. To buy a single share in the company will cost you £1,195 at the time of writing. On the 19th of April 2018, the Financial Times reported LT’s Global Equity Fund reported returns of 23.8% against an industry average of other Trusts of -2.3%. The Times summarised the investment philosophy of LT as follows…

‘Mr (Nick) Train buys high quality businesses that grind out growth slowly over the long term . He buys a long term focus and buys companies that have survived many economic cycles.’

LT’s own website tells us that they are interested in ‘cash generative franchises with a focus on Consumer Branded Goods, Internet, Media, Software, Pharmaceuticals and Financials.

LT have developed an interest in football clubs and it’s easy to see why given their preference for Franchises, Consumer Branded Goods, Media and even the development of the internet. Two other football brands form part of HT’s portfolio are Manchester United and Juventus.
Part of the genius of Brother Walfrid was his ability to identify a way to raise money for completely altruistic reasons. The lure of the capacity of the club to generate money from a passionate support that share a common identity all the way back to the foundations of the club is very tempting for many. The loyalty of the support combined with a Billionaire Financier and the excellent prospects for growth should Celtic find a way out of the confines of Scottish football is attractive to speculators.
In the interim as Michael Lindsell indicated the emphasis is on Monetising what we have and that means the rivalry of the Old Firm takes precedence. It is part of the deal and is the catalyst that motivates Celtic supporters to buy tickets and hand over credit card numbers. Making money for some people is almost like an addiction. That impulse for money and power makes for the sacrifice of honesty and integrity.
Money takes precedence in football and Celtic appeals to instincts that may prove too strong to put reason or common sense before emotion. Mr Lawwell and Mr Desmond appear to be gambling that emotional and the deep rooted connection that so many of us have to Celtic will ensure that we continue to back their judgement and the PLC.
The addiction to making money runs football.
 
Celtic are just a part of that. Some supporters will drift away others will stay and pretend that Celtic are different. 
The Gombeen Men will continue to make money.
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The Gombeen Man,

A truthful article. It tells you everything about our board and the major shareholders. Its all about money for them. I loathe PL & DD. They are about as much Celtic as Dave King. But what are Celtic fans to do? For many, it is half their life. Are they just to abandon it? If things do not progress as we hope in the next few years, they will be gone in large numbers. The board have no ambition beyond the next ‘Old firm game’. I personally never missed them.

I really wish someone would appear with an honest love for Celtic and get rid of our board.

Mike

The Gombeen Man,

An excellent and thought provoking article, well researched and well written.

If top businessmen and I do not think that many would contradict that they are good at what they do, run the club, you would think that that would be the way that they would run it, to keep the company safe and in profit, the bigger and well run the company is, the better the share price, you would not expect them to do anything differently.

You would think that any employee would be happy to do there particular job knowing that the company would be safe and that their employment would continue. If a large percentage of your profit is threatened then you would do everything that you could to help that particular part of your business that was under threat, that is only common sense. These are the cold, hard facts.

The difference is this… Celtic are not a business, the plc might be, but every other part of the club, the vast majority, are supporters who were brought up with a completely different set of values and mindset. We look at everything completely differently, our strong emotions are heart felt and they are invested in our players and our team. For us it isn’t about the balance sheet its about success on the park, our different emotions, values and attachments are the polar opposite to the people running our club.

How can we resolve these polar opposite views, the truth is that we cannot, we will always be suspicious of the people running the club, even wee Fergus who we all knew was rebuilding Celtic and who “took on” the SFA attracted a lot of criticism. We will never resolve our differences, until in my opinion a new set of people run the club with the same values and outlook as we have, but still they must be slightly detached enough to keep the club safe. It has always been my view that no football club should be run with a big profit, if whoever runs the club spends our income wisely based on only small profits and with a low salary to those who run it, then we might all be a lot happier…. mibbee. Will it ever happen? only if we are all that heartfelt sick of those running the club that we force change….

,big packy

the gombeen man. good article, wish to god we could get rid of those 2. we need the supporters to somehow get together with all the branches of the main supporters clubs and see what can be done., but im not holding my breath.hh.

The Gombeen Man

Anthony De Mello said ‘Spirituality is Awareness’.

Awareness is the key Mike, I believe.

Duty Calls

The Gombeen Man

Thanks Jim, The fact that we know that the love of the Club is being manipulated purely for financial gain is a game changer for me.

HH

The Gombeen Man

Nope Paddy. The attachment to the Club runs very deep and that loyalty makes is very vulnerable to exploitation.

HH

From the previous article…

JIMTHETIM53

Thanks,mate. Needed a bit of chill. Nessun Dorma would be more appropriate these last few days.

Ravel famously arranged Moussorsky’s Pictures at an Exhibition,which is something I always love to listen to. Gonna put it on now,as a matter of fact.

(Suddenly remembers music isn’t alphabetically sorted on the shelves yet,searches out iPod!)

It’s gonna have to wait,btw-Meddle just came on!!!

THEGOMBEENMAN

This is an excellent and highly informative piece. I had heard of Lindsey Train involvement,but had largely dismissed it,tbh. There has historically been little liquidity in Celtic shares,so they really could only snaffle up scraps. Clearly there have been people with significant holdings who have become disillusioned with how things are controlled by Mr 37% and Mr Celtic.

It’s all quite unedifying,really. It hammers home one simple fact-once money is involved,nobody’s yer pal-unless you’re in it anaw.

As Bingo Little would scornfully remark after one too many horses had sat down instead of running to its strengths-I think it was called Res 12-“And they talk about the purity of the turf!”

I ask this as a serious question,btw. You come across as a disgruntled,maybe disenfranchised CQNer,fed up with being told to shut up,everything in the garden is rosy. How do we deal with this? How CAN we deal with this?

The genie is out of the bottle,we don’t own the club,we pay for people to own it. If it’s not DD it will be someone else,as above. We can have a benevolent and disinterested dictator with a blind spot for a tosser,or vultures like the Glazers. Or,maybe Big Hands GimmeTheMoney Green,maybe an oligarch or a despot or ten.

I don’t know,mate. Once something becomes about money,you can guarantee money will do something about it. And not in a good way.

Superb article TGM.
Back in the day when the Celts for Change happened there was no internet, virtually nobody had mobile phones, communication was not an east task, yet they managed to bring about change, change that was needed big time.
Fast forward to today, we have communication coming out of our ears, so much so we don’t know what to do with it by the looks of things.
Society has changed in the intervening years, job security in the main and people have been fed the I’m alright Jack scenario just so they don’t rock the boat, the powers are petrified that people actually cop on to what they are doing, mind control is very subtle, the vast majority still get their info from the msm, who have their own agenda to push, you would have thot that the sms who have a downer on Celtic don’t seem to have the same anti Pedro slant, strange that eh.
I read on a couple of other blogs last night that we are dreamers for thinking about playing in europe, just lets concentrate on the game on sunday etc, etc, pathetic when you consider that a few short years ago we were in the last 16 of the CL and were not disgraced whatsoever, oh how we have downsized, it’s criminal in reality, after the Barca game we had world wide kudos, we were on the football map, people were talking about Celtic the world over, so what do we do, we decimate the playing squad, that’s planning for you, that’s a board who so so many are telling us are the best thing since sliced bread, when in the true light of the day they are massive failures, they have NEVER strengthened from a position of strength, they have ALWAYS done the opposite.

Didn’t watch the match,missed it due to the Thursday split shift. Read back there,had to laugh at times,and I know I shouldn’t. I take every defeat,every bad performance like a stone in my shoe-or kidney!-and a boot in the balls.

But hey,I’ve found my reason to be cheerful,and it was written on these very pages. So,for every one of you facing the smirks of the huns at work-you know,the ones who had been more into the rugby or the golf for the last six or seven years-just hit them with the truth.

None of your fake news on here,oh no. You ready…

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“This was no digrace or embarrassment some cynics feared and had Ntcham scored near the end 2-1 would have been a reasonable result who’ve already lost by the same margin, in a more important tournament at present back in Kilmarnock.”

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No need to thank me,and I know the contributor is too modest to push for the plaudits that comment deserves. But we all owe him big-time,he has got us out of jail with a riposte that they certainly won’t have seen coming!
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From another site,obviously. Apparently if Ntcham had scored,we would only have lost 2-1. I could cry.

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The Gombeen Man

Interesting stuff. Appreciate the effort you took to research.

At 16% these guys are sailing close to the wind. Any more purchases by them and Takeover Panel will step in….

Wait a minute…

CosyCornerBhoy

If the heavy loaders are in it for profit why haven’t they sold ?
Even the latter mentioned is on 63peercent and as Dastardly DD bought his prior to the lower figures quoted he would make literally millions
Seems odd or things are not as seems…..

Rebus67

TGM,

Thought provoking article. I did not know about that block of shares. Here is another perspective. Suppose Celtic was not run as a profitable enterprise, what would happen do you think? We only have to look at the other side of Glasgow to see the result……both the pre-2012 verson, and the phoenix that we are currently experiencing. Now there are examples of the ugly face of capitalism……compared to that what is happening at our club looks mild by comparison

To be clear, I do not object to people making money, provided there is a level of morality in how they do it. Personally, I have the smarts but never the interest in doing it! Further, does anyone believe that the club would be in the position that it is in right now if it was not managed in a fiscally prudent manner? Look at the richest league in the world, the EPL, and ask yourself why can it afford to set transfer values globally. The answer is not that they have strong fan support, nor is it values based. It is because of their alternative sources of revenue. Somehow, in that environment, Celtic have to compete! Getting rid of the money men will not solve this. It is the new reality in football. Somehow we have to find a way of surviving in that environment…And I use that word, “survive” rather than prosper because that is as good as it can get.

To me, the real issue is not getting rid of DD or PL, it is getting people in there that provide a better balance between realising the opposing football and financial objectives. I agree, at the moment, it is weighted too much towards the bottom line, but beware of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Rebus

Rebus67

Actually, something else occurs, let me bet a cup of tea and explain. There, that is better!

Our opponents RB Salzburg illustrate my points excellently. The club we played were acquired by RB as part of their promotional strategy of spreading sugar and caffeine throughout the world. The ne owners wished the history of the club to start from the date of purchase. In addition, they changed the colours and club logo. I believe the name of the ground was also changed. A group of the original fan base objected to this, and after unsuccessful negotiations, pushed for the creation of a new club which now plays alongside RB Salzburg in the league.

There you have a real example of the conflict between football values and corporate agenda and a possible resolution. Incidently, the new club are a pale shadow of RB Salzburg. Would you be happy with that happening to Celtic, after the fan revolt? I am not sure which way I would vote and, sadly, would have to be faced with it to really know.

Rebus

The Gombeen Man

Thanks Pat, I haven’t seen you on the Blog before. Welcome if you are new.

There is a small investment for LT. If a move to a bigger stage were to happen as Michael Lindsell. mentions in his quote the share price would increase maybe by a factor of 2 or 3.

They are what are described as Value Investors and follow the Warren Buffet philosophy. They like how Celtic PLC run things are and are aware of the factors that motivate folk to support us.

The passionate support and the fact that we are perennial Champions offers plenty of opportunity to ‘monetise’, in the short to medium term.

For these reasons the uncertainty the Res 12 issue is too unsettling and would create unpredictability around income.
With no guarantees of a result.

mahe

Pat Gillen, welcome and thanks for stopping by. Hail Hail

The Gombeen Man

Rebus67,

Thanks for the replies.

Lindsell Train do their sums and like what they see in DD. What DD brings to the club will hopefully be beneficial in the longer term. In the short term we are victims of the limited market that we are in (that’s on the assumption that we spend when we get there).
In a Scottish context it is more of the same and finding a way to accommodate Sevco.

That’s unpalatable given the lack in quality behind the strategic thinking at Ibrox. They are unpredictable and given the Court Hearing in London yesterday, still have a tendency to ignore rules.

I was just trying to broaden the understanding of the factors that influence the decision making beyond DD.

Don’t know about the RB question. We all know how important social and footballing history are related, particularly in the West of Scotland.

At the end of the day it’s the prospect of being stuck where we are without any progress in Europe that’s quite stark.

You can only monetise the Scottish Catholics so far…Or can you ?

Mike

Yes Rebus, the original RB Salzburg fans were they “The Violets”?

There is also another problem and that is… if you have an accountant, playing Director of Football as part of a £60 million pounds footballing department, is that not more worrying? does that offer value for money? If we have that amount of cost to run that department just to win the SPFL title, then that is not value for money if you compare it to other Scottish football clubs. If we do not reach the C.L. qualifiers then there is no other way to justify that investment. That is a major problem and highlights why the football department must be all inclusive, devolved from the other elements of the club…

Rebus 67
A couple of points.
Why use the huns as an example ? they are not like any normal football club, they died because of their supremacist attitude, you could have used thousands of other clubs as an example to make the comparison with.
The other point is why use the EPL as an example that we have to compete with, we don’t, the fact we are situated next to them means nothing, we are in competition with thousands of other european clubs who have nothing to do with the EPL cos like us they can’t afford to.
I don’t believe we use our scouting system to it’s full potential, nothing like it, when clubs who have a lesser budget than we do beat us comprehensively there is something not right, there is virtually no bargains to be had in england so why shop there, europe is a massive market place, yet we get bogged down looking for players from england, this is not good business practice from the best ran club in scotland, nay the world I contend.
HH

Margaret McGill

There are more Celtic supporters in the world than the population of New Zealand. However, that kind of marketing requires vision and entrepreneurship. The PLC are more focused on the 50k or so local arse protruders. Low risk high personal gain on easily manipulated sanctimonious victims using bigotry and nostalgia as a gravy train. If I was a PLC cnut I’d do the same. As i said yesterday, once 10iar is dead, more humiliation in Europe and BR gone, I suspect the current cuntodians will scarper mid 2020.having bled leeched what they have for 18 years.

rebus67

Mike,

Thanks for replying. Yes, they were the Violets and the new club is called Austria Salzburg. Interestingly, and unlike another club, in 2005 when RB took over, they declared that it “was a club with no history”.The Austrian FA forced them to revise that.

I totally agree that having an accountant running a football dept. is counterproductive(is this the largest word I shall ever use?). It explains why we signed Amido Balde and many, many others. As a result, we struggled in Europe, or, at the least, underperformed. No, all is not well in the Celtic org. structure, I agree. It needs innovative, full time leadership to sort it. However, it does not mean that financial prudence should be thrown out the window along with a jelly piece!

Rebus

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TET

Yes. We do seem to shop in a narrow market place.

The players are there in leagues across Central and Southern Europe.

My sense of this has always been that Dreadnought Race we get sucked into from time to time and the demands for ‘jam today’. Celtic fans are as caught up in that downward spiral a much as Oldco and Sevco.

We tried Jo Venglos and it didn’t work overnight… hunted!
We tried Ronnie… two leagues but meesed up and to be fair it was not really seen or believed as a significant strategic move by the board. It was probably just the cheap option. Despite 2 leagues… and chance at CL etc….didn’t work and he was horsed.

Back to tried and tested formula … sign a Celtic man … Thunder back etc.,

2 getting onto a 3rd year and already there is negative noise and vibes… some prefer to pretend there is an agenda to divide the support against him and others blame the board. Blah, blah

The evidence of our performance in Europe is all that counts for me

Get that right and Domestic results are a foregone conclusion

It just isn’t working the other way around, and it never will.

All this Talk of 3 x Trebles …so feking whit!!! If we are failing at every attempt to compete in Europe?

Dominating one of the worst leagues in Europe only matters if we can use that as a platform for European success ( don’t need to be winning CL or EL …just compete and give a decent account of ourselves)

Right now we are seen as 3 points in the bag… away …and increasingly at Paradise.

The entire club model requires to be revamped and the guys making those decisions won’t do it.

I accept that is a minority viewpoint and good luck to the bhoys that accept what they are getting now.

For me we are sleepwalking into insignificance.

Great corteo though…

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Rebus

Good shout.

I expect most guys asking for significant would be horrified if that change resulted in a similar financial fiasco as Ibrox.. ( both entities)

There is no need to spend £5m plus 30k per week and Ni etc – talent will come for less to play in the right set-up

We need a Leader that can help our support to understand that better.

rebus67

TGM,

Just in from sucking up leaves in the back garden. Such tasks give you a chance to think! KNow what I like about this site? You can have a decent discussion without being called a moron, a hun, a homosexual, a lesbian, or a protestant barstool.I hope this continues, but it will be more difficult as the more join the site. Close the membership now!

I am no fan of the Rangers nor of Sevco. Interestingly, since I went to a prody school we were fired up when we played football in the cup vs Catholic teams….and so were they! My UNcle Billy(it should have been a warning!) introduced me to attending football games, always to see the Rangers. Rebus’ revelation happened, not on the road to Damascus, but on arriving back at my gran’s house in Partick after a Rangers game. There I found a lot of males and females getting dolled up in orange regalia and beating drums. One of them said to my uncle, has that boy been on a walk yet? At that point I realised that there was something serious wrong with this picture, and the filth that was shouted at the games took on a more sinister meaning. It was not just supporting a football team, it was irrational hate. So, in the round, if Sevco ceased to exist, I would see it as a benefit for Scottish society, but I doubt that it will happen.

If I was convinced that our club actively sought to sustain Sevco for commercial reasons, I would walk away. That walk would be filled with much sadness for the loss of the original ideals of the club.

Anyway, I have meandered enough……I agree completely that our performance in Europe is unacceptable, given our resources. Lately, I have come to suspect that some of that blame lies at the door of the management team, however.

Rebus

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Welcome Pat good to see you here.

I agree They could cash in now?

There is also a view that they can take regular dividends – and control those dividends by maintaining a status quo. A regular beanfeast…

Does anyone know how much DD is personally taking each year, how much has he had back form his original investment?

The next question is why is he taking money out if it was an ’emotional’ investment?

I’m willing to bet that the guys who control Celtic are taking up to 5% out each year.

There are Celtic men with plenty of money that take money OUT

Whilst guys that are also Celtic men with little money or a tight budget that put money IN

It’s a bloody joke.

rebus67

The EXiled Tim,

Don’t throw my argument out because you do not like my examples. Substitute Leeds for Rangers if you will.
Sorry, I do not agree that we do not compete with the EPL. I agree that we are not competitive with that league, but that is different. Where did Armstrong, VVD, Wanyama go? They went to the EPL in part, because it is comfortable for certain English clubs to scout our players rather than run over Europe looking at more risky prospects.So, we are competing with that league, and now, the Championship, for a scarce resource…quality players.

I live in Canada and we have a geographically close neighbour who is much larger than we are. Believe me, we have to compete with them on many fronts because of that proximity.

I agree with your other points that our recruitment seems weak and there is too much emphasis on English markets. I also agree that we are losing to teams that we should overcome.
Mind you when you shop abroad you face other issues such as work permits, and adaptability to our game becomes more of an issue. These markets can have their own competitive imbalances, e.g. a non-Rangers and non-English example, is Portugal which can recruit from former colonies with no work permit problems.

Much of what needs to be said, requires sitting round a table…….but cyber is what we have.

Have a nice evening. I need to go an get my grandson a wee car, since he received some very bad news during the week.

Rebus

Jimmynotpaul

T.G.M.
I thoroughly enjoyed your article.
I found it thought provoking and interesting.
I’m still wondering, why Celtic is such an attraction to them, as compared to Man Utd and their turnover, for example, we are small fry.
I’m left wondering how do they view Celtic ‘s future.
Hail Hail
I

rebus67

SES,

Agree, agree, agree!

Try harder to say something that I disagree with!

Have a nice evening where ever you are.

Rebus

rebus67

Maggie,

If 10 iar dies will the share price fall? Would DD bail at that point?
Now I understand where you got your timeline from of 2020. I wondered about that last night.
Rebus

The Gombeen Man

Jimmynotpaul,

Thanks,

They are probably hoping we get into a a bigger market . In the interim we are safe enough and with the income coming in and a management that have been around for years and aren’t going to gamble too much.
It’s a small investment for them and has plenty of upside given the relatively low stock price relative to potential growth.
There’s always the chance that somebody else might come in too…but that’s sheer speculation on my part.

It’s a factor in not wanting to change Scottish football for the better or revisit things like Res12. Investors don’t like uncertainty…The downside of that is there can be no confidence in the integrity of the game.

An example of that is we are playing at Murrayfield this weekend and where are Sevco playing?

Thanks to a behind closed door decision.

Garry Duncan

TGM
Thank you. Your article today has opened my mind to Celtic matters that I was ignorant of.
Great deal of research and care in your writing. Something we never see in SMSM crap. Excellent read. You do this site proud.
YNWA

Rebus 67
Sorry to hear you had some bad news, I hope everything is fine.
I apologize if my post came across as the way it sounded, it didn’t in my head 😉
I wasn’t discounting your points.
I still disagree we compete with the epl, the likes of VvD, Vic wouldn’t have been bought by them, we are the ones who have to take the gamble, they won’t bother, but that’s a minor point, in saying that, there are a couple of clubs, Chelsea, Man Cty who are hoovering up talent all over the shop, loan them out and sell them for a very decent profit, I agree we are competing with the championship tho, but there are still players out there we are not even looking at.
A couple of years ago I mailed the club about a young fella who played local to me, Granada decided to sign him, they found his parents jobs, they rehoused them in Granada so they could be near to him, just turned a teenager, the boy had the makings of a very decent player, the club didn’t even reply, not that I was wanting one, but out of courtesy I thought they would have even just to tell me thanks but no thanks.
As for the work permit thing, scotland is different from England, I honestly can’t recall the last person to be denied a permit in scotland, the huns have always been granted one so they have set the precedence, we don’t seem to be utilizing this to it’s full.
HH
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SeS
Yip, agree 100%
HH

Jimmynotpaul

TGM.
Yes, we discussing that in work today.
No transparency, as to why our game was chosen for Murrayfield, in fact, even worse, our question has been ignored. They have concentrated on Hearts/Murrayfield, and does that give them an advantage or not but no one has came out and explained the rationale about our game going to Murrayfield.
We could all make an education guess but no one in SPFL have explained it. Very poor but not surprising.
Hail Hail

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Rebus

Cheers I will.. you too!

HH

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Rebus

Just saw this…hope the wee fella likes his car, and trust that bad news, quickly turns to good news.

YNWA

The Gombeen Man

Cheers Garry, thanks for taking the time to read and post…We all want the same thing but get frustrated by things like last night and below par league performances. Enjoy the weekend and Murrayfield if you are going.

The Gombeen Man

JNP,

Even in golf the Leader gets too tee off first. You’d think as Champions we’d have some leverage. The thing is these things just seem to be accepted with the Health Warning.’

‘If you think Neil Doncaster is bad, Neil McCann is interested in the job.’

Rebus 67,

I hope everything is okay with your grandson and thinks turn around pretty quickly. 🙂

Garry Duncan

TGM
No going to Murrayfield.
Watch with my son in his hoose with rest of family. Going to Dens Park on Wednesday. £30 Dundee charging us. Robbin bassas.
Last time I pay that for an away ticket.
Greedy bassas are killing Scottish fitba.
YNWA

Margaret McGill

The AGM is a scam to legitimize their shenanigans
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Jimmynotpaul

TGM.
Just a wee daft story and how loved ones notice your behaviours without you realising.
I don’t drink alcohol, so being a bit of a saddo, I go to different Coffee shops.
I was in one in The Fort at Easterhouse, about 2 years ago, with my wife, who has no interest in football whatsoever, and she said oh look, there’s that wee guy from the telly, that you don’t like, sitting in the corner, it was, of course, Neil McCann.
I resisted the temptation to speak to him, although I was itching, no matter my thoughts, I always feel people should be left alone and he was all alone, just him and his laptop. He was probably playing Football Manager on it.
Hail Hail

The Gombeen Man

Garry,

That’s a few bob for a Dundee game when you add on the incidentals…Getting to Murrayfield can be horrendous but hopeful the traffic will be light on a Sunday.

Till later all…

rebus67

Thanks for the kind thoughts re my granson. He is two and is not speaking….seems he has moderate to severe hearing loss in the middle and inner ear. It cannot be fixed as we had hoped, so it will be hearing aids and speech therapy. It will be difficult for him and his mum and dad, but there are much more serious things that can hit you.

Rebus

,big packy

saltires/ tgm.luv ya to bits bhoys what can we do to avoid the first british club to win the European cup to be ridiculed around Europe .helpmaboab.hh.

,big packy

rebus67, forgive me pal,did not know about your grandson give him hugs and best wishes from uncle packy.hh.

Rebus
They can do wonderful things these days, I’m sure it will work out.
Take care and best of to you all.
HH

saltires en sevilla

Big Packy

Cheers buddy … I’m stumped with what to do. Something has to change.

HH

saltires en sevilla

Rebus

Best wishes …

technology is working wee miracles in that field all the time.

It is certain he will be getting all the love in the world. That is 100% the best start he can have?

HH

rebus67

Hi Packy,

I got him two cars! thanks for the wishes.

Have a great evening. Mine has started, I just opened a nice Merlot/Cab blend produced in Canada. They have improved out of all recognition since we arrived here 36 years ago.

Rebus

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God bless the wee man. Sorry to hear of your troubles Rebus. Take care and Hail Hail