Memorable Matches-Part 7

Today’s article is by REBUS,and is another offering with a different slant from the norm. And all the better for it!

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Inspired by the excellent offerings, I thought I’d have a stab at producing something. Even the exercise in trawling through my memories makes this a worthwhile exercise even if this never gets shared on the blog.

I have many memories of great games but if I limit it to games that I attended rather than watched on the box or through CelticTV, then three stand out in my memory, but one is head and shoulders above all others. Strangely, it is not the game itself that is exceptional in my memory but the aftermath of it that has significance, even to this day. But first let me mention the also rans. First is the Celtic vs Leeds game where the might and arrogance of England were humbled. Despite resorting to physicality, Don Revie’s men were firmly put in their place by an excellent Celtic performance. The other memory is not as brilliant but lives on for its shock value, is the game against Athletico Madrid in 1974. Never had I seen such a dirty team, who tried their best to destroy both Celtic players and the game of football. They should have been thrown out of the competition for that display.

However, the winning candidate is an obscure 2-2 draw at Ibrox on September 16, 1961, which is remembered for a tragedy that occurred at the end of the game. A rail gave way and many people were trampled, with some paying the ultimate price. However, although I was at the game, I never saw any of that. So why does this game stand out from all others? The answer is that it changed my life forever!

I may have mentioned that I am a product of the protestant school system. When playing school football, games against Catholic schools were always more intense. I understood about the rivalry at an early age, but I did not understand the dark side of it. Perhaps I was naïve but things changed when my Uncle X, who used to play for Leicester City, took an interest in educating me about football. He would take me to games and point out the tactics that were being used on the pitch. Most of the games we went to were Rangers games, although Thistle figured high as well. One day, he asked if I wanted to go to my first Rangers vs Celtic game. He was sure we could get tickets on the day. Uncle X liked a drink and we started off at the Rosevale. There was some negotiation to get me in because I was underage, but one order of a shandy later and we were in. We did a tour of bars, supposedly looking for spare tickets, but largely so that Uncle X could get hammered. When I had given up hope he unearthed two tickets and we were on our way to Ibrox.

It would be fair to say at that time I had leanings towards Rangers with Jimmy Millar, their centre forward, being my favourite player. I liked his all action style and ability in the air. However, to my disappointment, Millar was not in the Rangers team on that September day in 1961. His replacement was Jim Christie, signed from Ayr United, and he netted within six minutes. Christie was one of those mysteries in football, except to those really in the know. He only played eight games for Rangers, even scoring two goals against Monaco in European competition but vanished into obscurity thereafter. The crowd around me appreciated Christie’s goal and you could tell that they thought a rout was on. However, gradually Celtic steadied the ship, mainly through the efforts of McNeil and Crerand. In 23 minutes the game was tied when Chalmers acted as provider and set Divers up for one of his trademark power drives. Thereafter the midfield was owned by Celtic with Crerand outstanding…the first time I had seen him! To summarise the rest of the game, Fernie scrambled one in just after halftime, and Baxter equalised in the 88th minute with a pile driver of a shot.

But why was this game so important in my life? The answer is that it revealed a side of Rangers supporters that I had never seen before. As Crerand gradually brought Celtic back into the game with those long slide rule passes to the forwards, the crowd became restive, especially when I wowed out loud on the accuracy of his passes. Then when I clapped at both the power and accuracy of Divers equaliser, some decided that enough was enough. One of them got me by the throat and promised to rearrange my fenian face. Suffice it to say, there were several instances like this as I continued to tell Uncle X how great the Celtic passing was and how the forwards understood one another much better than the much vaunted Rangers forward line. If Uncle X had not been with me, I’d not be here today! Now, to be fair, some supporters intervened and said that much of what I was saying was correct on the day, but the majority reacted from dark places that had nothing at all to do with football opinions, and everything to do with venting hate. I shall never forget that.

After the game, to my surprise I learned that Rangers had never knowingly signed a Catholic player, nor did they sanction their players dating Catholic girls. If memory serves me right, Dennis Setterington suffered because of that. To a degree, the type of behaviour I had experienced on the terrace was encouraged by that club. This was totally unacceptable to me. WATP took on a new dark meaning for me.

When I looked at Celtic, the idiom, “A club open to all”, seemed to be borne out by the religious backgrounds of the players currently in the first team. Of course there are narrowed minded individuals amongst our support as well but these are a minority. I have never regretted my decision to move away from the bigotry and hate-fueled behaviour that I experienced that day in 1961. Sadly, the new club appear to be doing very little to control the same behaviour today nearly sixty years later!
Rebus

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big packy

rebus, hi pal lovely story, you probably seen my post last week about the ibrox disaster 71, which I attended, I was only 8 years old in 1961, to be honest I did not know about the tragedy in 61, anyway fair play to you for sticking to your principles, such a shame the bigotry still exists in 2018 on both sides, but as you say a club open to all, im just glad your here and one of the bhoys.hh.?

REBUS

Marvellous tale of your Damascene conversion. I’ve never managed to convert a Rangers fan,though I’ve had some success with fans of clubs who didn’t die.

Sorry I couldn’t find any footage of the match,though not for the want of trying. Hopefully your offering will receive more replies than mine managed yesterday-that might be an all-time low for the site!

Memo to self-no new articles on The Day of Rest!!!

Mike

Hi Rebus,

Thank you for sharing your story, your journey to Celtic.

Our pathway would be so much easier and simpler, it says an awful lot about you, that you would have the courage to make your own decisions and to make your own choices, there would be a lot of pressure put on you to change your allegiances.

Others have followed the same pathway and our club is so much the richer and better because of it, legendary players like Tommy Gemmell and of course our legendary manager big Jock brought success on the park but gave so much more to our support, we loved them all the more because of it.

The players that you mention, Cesar, Johnny Divers, Paddy Crerand, Stevie Chalmers were off my time and they were such wonderfully talented players, it is great to remember them, invoking so many memories of past Celtic games. The games against Leeds Utd. were terrific and enjoyable for many different reasons, the games against Atletico Madrid, such cynicism was disgraceful and yes they should have been thrown out of the competition and banned for many years.

Thanks for sharing your memories and for making the choices that you did, football is such a wonderful sport it brings out so much emotion, its better to think positively and remember the many good games that we have watched and so very much enjoyed.

Mike

Majoc, you had the misfortune to follow an outstanding article. 😉

MIKE,

I did indeed! That’s the reason why I left it up on the Saturday instead of the traditional Saturday post/Sunday blank. I didn’t think it was fair to have someone else’s article on a normally blank day,and you can read my drivel often enough on here anyway!!!

saltires en sevilla

Rebus

Supporting fitba for the right reasons. Well done to that younger you for speaking out and noted the gers who spoke up in agreement.

I remember applauding Mark Hateley’s goal for Rangers v Leeds in ’92 and my own mates telling me to pipe down as a few bhoys at the bar were making menacing noises. I had been playing fir the pub team since 1986 and they all knew I was a Celtic fan but that didn’t count for hee haw.

We have our own eejits and I’m 100% with you – football first, team second.

HH

SALTIRESENSEVILLA

Overnighted in Sheffield the night they played Marseille. Right dodgy pub beside my delivery address the following day,asked if they were showing the Rangers game. Had a pint and read my paper-remember them?-and Marseille scored just as I was at the bar for another pint.

Had to peel me off the ceiling,as the barman asked-Eh,thought you were Scottish?

Aye,I replied. But I’m not a Rangers fan.

Big fella beside me said-Aue,well I f*+<ing am!

We got on like a house on fire after that,even when Marseille scored a second.

Beats me how I get away with these things…

saltires en sevilla

Majoc

Aye. If Marseilles had scored v Celts he would be on the ceiling. Still get on like a house on fire. It’s a strange world being a fitba fan. We can accept rivalry as long as it’s kept civil and free from the horrible sectarian or racist abuse we sometimes see.

I’m glad Marseilles were a shower of cheating scumbags at the time. Can you imagine???

Delicious irony there!

HH

Irony,karma,call it what you will. I think Murray and the Marseille owner Tapie had dealings from way back,such as the very strange Trevor Steven transfers.

Corrupt tax-cheating trophy-stealing basturts,the pair of them,and they can sue me for that if they feel like it.

I had a great time wi my new pal from Greenock-not Port Glasgow,then? Naw! Oh,only pub I’ve been to in Greenock is The Shamrock Club,do you know it?-and ended up at his local Working Man’s club.

He wasn’t really too impressed,mind,at last orders. I suggested we have another two each!!!

rebus67

Hi Packy,

Just out of my bed here and the place is covered in snow! I enjoyed your article and it made me add a wee bit to my own about the lives lost in 61.

Thanks for the kind words.

Rebus

rebus67

Majoc,

I enjoyed your article and the way to look at it is that your article said everything and there was nothing left to say by anyone else!

In my case, versus Paul, I had no donkey!

Rebus

REBUS67

Schoolboy error from me!

Of course,your own schoolboy error wouldn’t happen nowadays-yon deid team’s full of donkeys!!!

rebus67

Hi Mike,

I have never regretted supporting Celtic…sure, sometimes I have been frustrated as the club seems to shoot itself in the foot.

I have Chalmers name on the back of one of my Celtic shirts that I bought in the Celtic Shop(Argyle St., I think). When I asked the wee boy in the store to put it on my shirt, he asked if that was my name! When I told him who it was, he said he thought he had heard of him!

I like players like Stevie….really hard workers and all action.

It broke my heart when Crerand was transferred and I did not understand not understand the economics of the game at that stage of my development.

Football is like music, certain games or songs, are associated with what was happening in your life when they happened. When he hear the song, or relive the game, you recall things that happened to you long ago.

Rebus

REBUS67

“Football is like music, certain games or songs, are associated with what was happening in your life when they happened. When we hear the song, or relive the game, you recall things that happened to you long ago.”
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So so true. Canny remember last week,but put on a song,I’m there. Mention certain games,I can even tell you where I had my pre-match and post-match sesh.

I suppose that means that there’s nothing wrong with my memory after all,it just needs trained!

Alternatively,it’s a bucket,and when too much goes into it,it’s the new stuff that gets jettisoned. Aye,I like that one…

Sol Kitts

REBUS
My route to following Celtic was similar to yours inasmuch as I was Protestant educated. I found the West of Scotland fixation with hatred of everything Catholic and/or Celtic frankly bewildering. My classmates were all “Fenian haters” and I just found this attitude disgusting. So, while they went to Ibrox to spew their bile, I went to watch Junior football -Ardrossan Winton Rovers -every weekend, home and away. Great days, you could stand almost on the pitch, slag off the match officials, try to get opposition players sent off by winding them up and hoping for a reaction.
I got involved watching Celtic when Majoc suggested going to the League Cup Final v Rangers 1982. I was a bit hesitant about it, having heard the stories from my schooldays of how bad Celtic fans were, but off we went, stood in the pouring rain at Hamden, and saw a Murdo McLeod piledriver almost burst the net to win the cup. As for the fans, I didn’t feel intimidated, quite the opposite. I felt like I belonged, this was a happy bunch of people and I wanted to be part of it. 36 years later and still feel like that.

rebus67

SES,

A couple of years after my “conversion” I was on a train to Helensburgh when some Rangers yobs came on singing their vile songs about fenian blood and the Pope. I was with my girlfriend, later to be my wife, and she has a habit of calling out bigotry when she sees or hears it, without thinking that it is the guy with her that is going to have to back it up! She did so again on this occasion which brought these guys over to us. I had given my lady a celtic cross for her birthday and she wore it on every date. One of the yobs saw the cross and started shouting out abuse of an anti Catholic nature. I quietly pointed out that he should read a bit more about the history of his country in order to understand that this was not a crucifix. A light bulb went on in the head of one of them, and he corrected his mate. By this time the whole carriage were aware of what was going on, and were voicing their disapproval. I think it was this that saved me from the beating that they clearly wished to deal out!

It was not a match day, but these guys were just on the rampage for the sake of it. Pathetic, but also so sad.

Again, sadly, I think this base element has been exploited by the current group managing Sevco. IN 2012, a chance was lost to start afresh, but the decision was made to adopt a bunker mentality of “them” against “us”.

Rant over!

Rebus

The Gombeen Man

Rebus67,

Thanks for sharing your story and I enjoyed reading it.

From the very early days of our club, there was a generosity of spirit which encouraged integration and saw the value of moving away from sectarian policies. The wisdom of this decision has reaped dividends on and off the pitch. The attraction of Celtic is that we are open to all and this sets us apart. We have our origins that were charitable but our reach is far beyond the Irish diaspora in Scotland.
That freedom of conscience is often reflected in the positive way Celtic like to play the game. Positive free-flowing football is something that I associate with Celtic. On and off the field thuggery is completely contrary to my understanding of what Celtic are about.
Like everything in life, there is a balance at Celtic too. We have our failings, there is an element in the support that put their political preferences before others. Perhaps our board doesn’t speak out often enough? Maybe the PLC are too focussed on the profit motive?
Having said all that, despite our faults, we have something very special at Celtic.
That quality is priceless and when political or social differences are put aside there is a togetherness and magic about Celtic that other clubs just don’t have. European nights in Celtic Park, typify this and the energy and passion about the stadium is remarkable.
The real difficulty in my view is the Old Firm tag. The financial rewards of this rivalry pale into insignificance when I think of the social division and negativity that surrounds the fixture. It really is a shame and it the religious divide that many people associate with Celtic-Sevco is embarrassing and probably serves to undermine the development of Scottish football.

Anyway, time I got back to other things. It feels like winter here too but no snow.

That was a fine post and credit to Uncle X.

HH

Rebus67

Sol,

Nice to know that my background is not unique. Sadly, at my father’s funeral in 2010, some of my relatives took me to task for deserting my own kind, as they said. They cannot see the destructive nature of the them and us attitude. Other countries have fiercely contested derbies and at the end of the game you see thevtwo sets of players walking off together chatting happily. Not much of that happens in Glasgow.

I know a little of the history of Irish emigration and of the clan system that existed in and around 1700’s and maybe these explain the desire for conflict. What is a given, is that it is a desease that holds the country back.

I was a Beith man myself, and before that Yoker!

Rebus

Rebus67

TGM,

Yes, from Day 1 I felt welcome at Celtic. I was impressed by the origins of the club and the concern for the disadvantaged. My own origins are humble…….poor but good values. I saw all of this in Celtic. As well, I have allways had a soft spot for the underdog, which Celtic was in 1961.

This blog welcomes memories which I find refreshing. Consequently, it allows us to dwell on the traditions that built the modern club. Although it is true that the past can be a distant country, that is less true for football supporters. Certain memories seen like yesterday!

Rebus

Junior fitba is it? I’ve spent many a good day in your company,but for juniors you won’t beat the time we talked that big Irvine Meadow heidbanger off his game.

AWR won 3-2 and we were Man of the Match!

Glad you’re still a happy Bhoy-I kinda introduced you at a bad time. Great fitba but scant rewards.

It was a good apprenticeship,I suppose. And ATHINGOFBEAUTY had the same-she thought we were always gonna win 5-0. Sadly we didn’t play a poor Thistle every week. Soon knocked that notion out of her head!

PS-I think she still puts £2 on that every week.

Margaret McGill

Timternet alive with back slapping charity events distractions galore.
Boyata slated.
My interpretation.: must be some AGM around the corner.
Boyata for sale January
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big packy

rebus67 and sol kitts ,you ghuys are what celtic is all about, glad you are here.hh.?

mahe

Rebus, , I will reply properly later but that’s a fantastic read, thanks very much. Excellent start to a busy week.
Hail Hail in your winter wonderland

Sol Kitts

Jeez Majoc, you must have eaten a lot of fish when you were wee. How the hell did you remember that? I had completely forgotten about him. I have a decent memory but I’m a bloody goldfish compared to you.

Sol Kitts

Wow, how did that happen? Just jumped to my name and deleted my username.

(Sorted-admin)

Margaret McGill

….and as the phrase “Res 12” is slowly removed from Celtic history.
Why not begin 2 daysbefore the AGM
Lickspittles. I like that word.

big packy

mags luv ya to bits keep on keeping on.hh.?

Rebus67

Maggie,

Thanks for that. I shall monitor that website to see if they receive any response.

Rebus

A thing of beauty

Hey sol kitts great to hear how you came to follow the hoops. I can honestly say that to me you were just my brothers mate that took me along to the game and for that I will always be grateful. It never occurred to me at that time, you weren’t born a Celtic supporter. The fact that you’ve now passed the legacy on to your own family is even better.

Garry Duncan

Rebus
I was born in Rosevale Street Partick. Moved to Knightswood when I was 7. A Tim family were never accepted in Rosevale Street. Us and the Cain family the only Catholics in the street. Taught me to fight and defend myself from a young age. ?
YNWA

Garry Duncan

Rebus
The great thing I found about Knightswood, was the large number of Protestant Bhoys who supported Celtic. I remember in 1988 on the Billy Stark Temple CSC bus, we worked out that half the bus were Protestant Bhoys. All Tims.
YNWA

rebus67

Garry,

We seem to have followed similar paths. My mother was born in Rosevale Street and when married moved to Knightswood…..Portal Rd.

Rebus

I reckon you two are relatives!

Aye,and his grandkids are suitably kitted out too!

Garry Duncan

Rebus
Half of Knightswood come fae Partick or Anderston. Tenement or hoose wi garden? ?
YNWA

Garry Duncan

JTT53
Of course Rebus and I are relatives. Like you, we are the Celtic family.
YNWA

Rebus67

Hoose with garden in Knoghtswood…Just up from the pitch and putt.

Rebus

Margaret McGill

The only positive outcome from the AGM Wednesday is that all resolutions will be passed including 7 & 8 so that PL can fuck off in 2020-21 with more money than McCann. Will that mean Lawwell won? you know in lickspittledom? Just asking a question for the glorious balance sheet lovers.

Margaret McGill

not forgetting the green huns.

MAGS

Told yeezaw years ago that he was hellbent on being the top earner ever. Not bad for a man who has probably cost us more trophies than any referees during his time in charge.

New article up!!!