Reports and Rookies

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-47459485


Just when you thought it couldnt get any worse in the domestic game we were given a report yesterday that confirmed to matchday going fans that there are serious concerns around safety at stadiums .
And not just mickey mouse stuff it seems.
“ The Scottish Police Federation (SPF) vice chairman David Hamilton said he “fully supported” the recommendations made in the review – adding the issues surrounding safety at grounds were “utterly devastating”.

Can you believe it ? Of course you can as you like myself follow the farce ,, please explain to me why over that pint though .
Devastating , Serious etc
And this is a report that was compiled by cops , that was commissioned by cops .
You dont need me to explain how that one works .
However the strength of the language involved suggests concerns .
‘ Serious ‘ concerns .

You all know I dont go to the games , and this feels a bit like preaching to the choir , but if ever you were sitting across from me over a pint I would be pulling out all the stops to make sure you dont go to away games , at least certain away games.
And ask you to spread the word its effing dangerous possibly deadly.
The report even contained the startling fact one ground wasnt even tested yet was given a safety cert !
Let me guess was it sealed with a dodgy handshake ?
Still employed and all no doubt . We misunderstanding between friends. Aye thats right.
Theres a list of sins in that report .

This is just another brick in wall as a few stoners said years ago.
The game is falling apart around us and here we have the fuzz themselves ,, in amazing language and terms for them , saying its not safe .
Im not surprised at all , but once again it does feel like everything is coming to a head here in the domestic game .
Whatever you may think of Dermot or Peter Im sure we all agree that if theres one place that will be stringently tested its our stadium ,,, its safe at home have no doubt. Thats not in question. Hopefully never will be.
The report suggest a number of changes including holding clubs responsible for the fans actions , a topic which has been raised in recent weeks and does note we are at an important point in Scottish football history , hopefully showing a non head in the sand attitude.


I will probably blog about strict liability soon so dont want to say too much but its a can of worms . However once again its just one issue after another as far as the footie up north is concerned. We should see a robust transparent system be initiated to test every ground and stadium come from this report if there actually are people that want to fix the mess .
Lets watch and see if they are serious and if it comes about.

Speaking of serious , Ole Ole’s win in Paris was just that , infact it was just stunning ,, even more so with 10 first teamers out.and it was a penalty for me . After the Ajax game the beautiful game has gave us all a hint to remember things are cyclical in nature , and maybe dont count your chickens etc . Today’s big team is tomorrow’s mid table scrappers. Or at least can be if it all goes wrong .
It was looking that way for United under a succession of bosses who couldnt cut it and it took the young ( still ) man to steady the ship and get them boys playing again . Im delighted for him ,, always heard he read the game well and studied from the bench .
One telling moment was on Tuesday I watched Solari ( our other rookie under the spotlight ) make sure his suit was straight , shirt tucked in etc , to make sure sure he cut an impressive figure on that touchline , for all the good it done him.
Next night OLe has a bib on over a tracksuit , couldnt care less , all about the team.
Might do well in the dugout that lad !

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MAHE

Good stuff,old bean.

I see our beloved and impartial media are hinting heavily that it was Celtic fans who broke into the Rodgers household the other day? Just like we burned the huns bus,attacked McGregor,trashed some no-mark player’s car.

Etc,etc,etc.

I trust that they have passed on their information to the police,as information they must surely have to make such a claim.

Awe Naw

Whatever you may think of Dermot or Peter I’m sure we all agree that if there’s one place that will be stringently tested its our stadium ,,, its safe at home have no doubt. That’s not in question.

So why the need to commission an independent report ?
Why sell tickets for Ibrox knowing what they know ?

Whatever they do is only to cover their own arses only not for any feeling of duty towards us.

big packy

BOBBY, you know we will get the blame its always us never them..hh,by the way have you heard from jim.

big packy

AWENAW, don’t think the fans would be on peter or dermots Christmas card list do you.hh.

Awe Naw

nah we are proletariat clearly

The Gombeen Man

Whatever you may think of Dermot or Peter I’m sure we all agree that if there’s one place that will be stringently tested its our stadium ,,, its safe at home have no doubt. That’s not in question.

Sorry lads it is very much in question.

The near tragedy at the last Sevco match at Celtic Park illustrates it can be very unsafe at ‘home’.

I think it was Thing of Beauty that blogged about her experience at that game? If the Safety Report into that event has been issued it must have passed me by?

That said, the circumstances of that day were exceptional with the distribution of 850 tickets to ‘the entitled’.

The powers that be in the Scottish game have displayed a breathtaking arrogance in respect of the welfare of the game and it’s supporters.

There is no integrity. Corners are cut. Cheating is commonplace, vitriolic statements are the order of the day and the punter is just a commodity.

By the silence of the PLC I can only imply an acceptance of the status quo. Celtic are the largest and best resourced outfit in Scottish football.

It’s about time the efforts on the field were replicated off the field.

Oh; and well done to Ajax. Not my favourite team or support.

What’s their turnover? Who’s their CEO? What does he earn?

HH

Awe Naw

Hopefully that´s a career ending injury for Naismith. That should ensure the career longevity of many other players

Awe Naw

‘SAFETY ISSUES’ Rangers’ lower league campaigns ‘shone spotlight’ on clubs breaching safety rules, says a new report
An Independent Review of Football Policing in Scotland claims some of Gers’ opponents sold more tickets than stadium capacity and erected unsafe scaffolding as away terracing

REVEALED
By Marc Deanie
7th March 2019, 7:33 amUpdated: 7th March 2019, 7:34 am
A NEW report claims some lower league Scottish clubs breached safety regulations when hosting Rangers during the Ibrox side’s lower league campaigns.

An Independent Review of Football Policing in Scotland says fans attending football matches north of the border could be at “significant risk”.

The findings – delivered by Deputy Chief Constable Mark Roberts of South Yorkshire Police – admit Gers’ season in the fourth tier “served to shine a spotlight on safety practises down the leagues”.

It’s alleged rivals deliberately sold more tickets than their stadium capacity, erected unsafe scaffolding as terracing for away supporters and mismanaged safety certificates.

The report states: “Following Glasgow Rangers FC entering administration and their subsequent liquidation, the club re-entered Scottish football in the fourth tier (third division) for the 2012/13 season.

“This served to shine a spotlight on safety practises down the leagues and in different localities.

“The potential issues this experience highlighted caused concern among a number of Scottish football stakeholders including Police Scotland (from 2013), FSOAS (Football Safety Officers Association Scotland) and SPFL.

“They recognised the vast majority of football stadiums Rangers would play at were small and not used to receiving the huge numbers of fans Rangers invariably attracted.

“The review was alarmed to learn of serious safety issues, which were evident at a number of Rangers matches across the years they spent climbing from the third division back to the top flight.

“These issues included (but are not limited to):

• Deliberately selling more tickets than their stadium capacity

• Erecting unsafe scaffolding as terracing for the large numbers of away fans

• Old safety certificates being altered to increase stadium capacity

• Safety certificates where approved stand capacities did not add up

• Tickets sold for areas of a ground that did not exist or were inaccessible.

“In addition, the review heard evidence from many sources that these issues are not confined to Rangers league matches but extend to Scottish Cup matches where teams with large travelling support are drawn away to smaller clubs who occupy small stadia and lack appropriate infrastructural support.”

The claims are made in the Statutory Safety Regime and Framework section of the document.

It also recommends “an urgent multi-agency review is conducted to establish an appropriate governance, consultation and inspection regime for Scottish venues, used for football and other events.”

The report found the operational model for policing football is “certainly fit for purpose” with some “excellent” examples of good practise.

DCC Roberts said: “A lot of people in a lot of organisations are working really hard to keep people safe, absolutely with the right motivation and intention.

“But they are working in a framework which doesn’t support them doing it so I think there is a sense that people are getting by on the goodwill and professionalism of individuals rather than the statutory framework.”

Police Scotland commissioned the review just weeks after fans were injured in a crush at the first Old Firm game of the season on September 2.

Five people needed medical treatment following the incident at Parkhead as supporters tried to get into the stadium.

The review covered issues such as operational planning for matches, intelligence gathering and resource deployment and made 18 recommendations in total.

It found that in some cases, police were taking on issues that are not their responsibility and take officers away from other duties.

However it said the “questionable” quality of stewarding at some matches will “undoubtedly make it harder for Police Scotland to reduce its own resourcing of the footprint of stadiums”.

Awe Naw

Looks like the Polis and SNP are engaging in whataboutery as per usual.

The huns are allowed to operate without a cushtie safety certificate at Ibrox because their fans were treated like shite on the journey.

It´s quite an incredible story and the fact that nobody in Scotland in any position is prepared to take it on shows what a subservient wee shite hole Scotland truly is

Garry

Mahe
Just read your question to me yesterday about the Celtic manager scenario.
I am glad that Neil is steadying the ship, but I hope it is till the end of this season only.
For his sake and ours.

Garry

Awe Naw
Ewan McGregor in Trainspotting springs to mind.
Colonised by English wankers
How low does that make Scots?

The Gombeen Man

Sevco are just too big for these wee stadiums. No matter what they (or whatever incarnation) can never be made to play in diddy stadiums.

Real Rangers men and wimmin have been put at risk. No matter what they are too big for adherence to normal rules and conventions.

HH

Not lately,mate. I’ll drop him a line though.

AWENAW

I wouldn’t normally agree with such sentiments,but I’m prepared to make an exception in this case.

I remember him receiving a serious injury when playing Aberdeen. It was on TV and my Dad and I were watching it in The Horseshoe before we went to Celtic Park. Even the Rangers fans in the pub were disgusted with him that day,as a deliberate attempt to maim an Aberdeen player rebounded on him.

No,you’re right,mate. He’ll mend him.

Awe Naw

No complaints at the time. I wonder what the SMP for Govan thinks about it

Awe Naw

Yep and now Brexited.

The Gombeen Man

With Dave King and his Klan at the helm it makes you wonder if the policy of turning the other way by virtually everyone involved will one day come back to haunt them.

Awe Naw

Sure it will it always does so. Not that they will ever admit to it

Awe Naw

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/company-tax/anti-tax-avoidance-package/anti-tax-avoidance-directive_en

This is what Brexit is all about and if you voted for it and do not have tax avoidance issues then you should scream Barabas over and over again next time you are in a fairy house

bada bing1

That report is framed to take the heat off the required repairs at Poundland ,as if they are the standard bearers ffs,Blackadder logic yet again

A thing of beauty

Awe naw I keep reading you repeating that sevco have not had a safety certificate for a number of yearsbut I can’t see anything concrete about it. Are you absolutely sure your information is correct? If you are sure have you ever raised it with Glasgow city council as surely they would be concerned about the safety of fans. No point asking celtic if they’re concerned about our fans whilst we still await a safety review of a game that took place nearly 6 months ago. I maybe wrong but that’s how I feel. Will check in later, duty calls.

mahe

TGM,, I was looking more at being safe sitting in your seat as in the roof won’t fall.
But yeah it should have been phrased differently and ATOB may well have issues with that.
Good to see you on and hope alls good Sir.
Hail Hail

bada bing1

Looks like the Sevco v Sheep game won’t be live on TV,as CL games are on,gives Clancy an ideal chance to follow Brother Muirs cheating v Killie, under the same circumstances ,Clancy will already have been briefed on the Moreloss card issue,oh and look out for Douglas (red card,red card) Ross MP running the line.

fan-a-tic

BADA BING
Surely you’re not surprised considering who wrote the report.
That they are willing to endanger their own in the hope they can stop Timmy says everything about the best wee country.

fan-a-tic

Wonder what the bookie odds are with no tv?

bada bing1

Fan a tic- no surprise at all mate,Level 5 ,will have topped and tailed it

Mike in Toronto

TGM

You question is probably rhetorical, but for those that dont know…

Ajax’s CEO is former world no. 1 keeper Edwin Van Der Sar … who played in a variety of countires in a storied career..

After playing he did some coaching, which going back to school to study sports business, I believe. Once he got that, he took a job as marketing director for Ajax, and worked his way up their chain.

While CEO of Ajax, he did his MBA at harvard…

Of course, he had a good, working system to step into …

And he is paid the princely sum of about 500,000 pounds.

This is just off the top of my head, so I could be a bit off on a few details.. but the gist is correct.

Fat fingered Mike in Toronto

oops sorry for the double post

Awe Naw

ATOB,

https://philmacgiollabhain.ie/2017/04/02/glasgow-city-council-freedom-of-information-request-on-ibrox-stadium/

You may have to click on another few links to get a fuller pictiure but its all there in phils blog

fan-a-tic

PSG manager Thomas Tuchel said the penalty should not have been given because Dalot’s shot was not on target.

“From my point of view I watched Dalot take the shot. I saw the ball flying straight from his foot and for me it was clear it was going way over the bar,” said Tuchel.

“There are many things to discuss before taking the decision and I think it’s a 50-50 decision. What makes it super hard is I had the clear feeling the shot was not on target, and to get rewarded with a penalty, there is no logic.”

I think he has a point as the shot was clearly going well over the bar.
This puts var on a slippery slope.
Will footballers now deliberately aim at an opponents arm rather than the more difficult shot on target.
When var arrives in Scotland the 4 dubious penalties Dallas awarded sevco will seem like trivial number.

Auldheid

Fan atic

I made that point about the trajectory of the ball this morning and took it into absurdity land. You might be able to follow it here.

https://twitter.com/Auldheid/status/1103567720178692096?s=19

fan-a-tic

AULDHEID
It is truly absurd.
So the diving coach will be replaced with an arm striking coach.
Especially in Scotland where refs do not need to use discretion when awarding sevco penalties.
We often can see the difference in the way a defender stands off sevco players around the box in comparison to their usual game.
Will it become such that coaches will tell defenders to stay outside the box when facing sevco?

mahe

I certainly thought it was a penalty as his arms were not by his sides but a foot out either side each making him 2 foot wider in total. Pure pen in my book.
Hail Hail

I agree a pen all day long.
Had he not turned his back on the ball like a fearty, footballers are notorious for doing this, he was straining to look and see where the ball was and could get his arm out of the way, had he been face on to the ball it would never have hit his arm imo.
New rules, I would give a pen when the ball hits a players hand every time, if a players deliberately hits the ball towards a players hand, fair enough, I doubt it will happen that often anyways, more goals and drama for the punters so, the main thing it will do is to take bias cheating referees out of the equation.

To clarify, from the elbow down, hit there a pen.

fan-a-tic

TET MAHE
I still think the trajectory of ball was relevant.
I’m sure he did not deliberately block a shot that was going well over the bar.
Would a team from one of the smaller nations got that cal?

Fan
The ball could have dipped, anyways, it’s black and white, you are either on one side or another, I still think that referees should be taken out of the equation.
Uefa obviously don’t get enough kick backs from the Arabs, two years ago Barca got two very dodgy pens to knock PSG out.
No a small club, like us wouldn’t have gotten that, follow the muney.
HH

mahe

TeT,,you gotta say we would have a shout at winning the new Euro cup competition.
As we are a third tier club, and it’s full of them ?
Or maybe I’m dreaming.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/sep/11/uefa-third-european-competition-2021

Mahe
We have as much chance as…..no chance, the club are not interested in europe, they made that perfectly clear with BR, hoarding money is the new PLC game, they wouldn’t back a manager who filled their coffers so not a hope in hell they will fund Lenny, who will get the job full time, the board are in a win win place, Lenny gets the treble cos he should, Lenny fails because of the disruption, he ticks all Pedro’s boxes, cheap, pliable, will take the players he is given without a bother, the spin is working a treat, Lenny in the main is the man most want, zero ambition, don’t get me wrong, I think he is the right man to take us to the end of the season, but that’s as far as I would go, but he will get the job so I will support him 100%.
HH

big packy

TET, ill walk round my home village of glenboig naked, if neil does not get the job full time, and believe me you wouldn’t want to see me naked ???

mahe

TeT,,I got the impression , as did many, that we are snookered going into either the champs league or Uefa now as you will eventually meet teams who will dwarf you . Therefore throwing money at Europe , would have been just a gamble under current system.
If new cup consists of tier 3 teams only , well then , that’s battles we could actually win.
Even if we have more dish than Ajax we are way behind them ,, another example that money is not a good indication of where you are at.

The new comp is the sop to stop
superleague, I predicted this.
Hail Hail

Mahe
For sure it’a a sop, but we should still have the chance for CL football for some time yet as the champions route will still be in place…yes-no, look, it’s all down to the board willing to fund a manager and I can’t see them doing it.
There is no need to throw maony at it, you can spend your money wisely, many others do, we seem to have a problem, imo we spent far too much looking for the rough diamond, the last one we found, VvD, the bloke who scouted him was let go from the club, criminal imo.
HH
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BP
Too much info 😉
HH

Mike in Toronto

Hey, hey, hey …. children (and more importantly, me) read this site!

Behave yourself!

🙂

Sol Kitts

Fan
Where the ball was going is irrelevant. If a defender handles the ball on the far corner of the area, it’s still a penalty, even if the ball was heading out of the area. The contact last night looked accidental until you saw the whole action from the ball leaving the attacker’s foot to it hitting the defender’s arm. You can see him move his arms out, and start turning his back. Clear penalty, made all the better by Neimar’s greetin face afterwards.

mahe

Big Packy , yellow card 😉

big packy

mike how are you and seamus, don’t think ill be walking around naked im that confident neil will get the job.hh.

big packy

mahe I promise I wont mention naked again.hh?

mahe

More leaks released by Der Spiegal newspaper about Man City breaching FFP,,
I’ll try and paste some juicy bits.
Wonder why now?

Margaret McGill

Even if another 66 die (or more) at Ibrox (or wherever) in Scotland no one will give a fuck.
Stadium maintenance?
Nae money in it.
There will still be OF obsessed plebs to fleece.
As for the details betcha Celtic get challenged first.
April is the cruelest month.