Football and Society

Good morning folks.

With some thrilling games in the Champs league out of the way I begin by saying well done to young Andy Robertson , who swung in the corner for big Virgil to prove hes worth his weight in gold , as 6 years ago he was playing in front of less than 500 souls at Queens Park,, and last night he was immense in Munich . A good success story indeed.

Virgil has taken the game in general by the scruff of the neck and I dont think I will ever tire of watching his graceful defending and Im fully expecting him to on and become world player of the year at some stage .

Alas though will be honest and state that Im hoping for a certain amount of leeway this St Patricks week as thoughts turn to social meetings full of liquids and football rightly takes its proper place on the back burner.

Thus todays offering did not flow forth from these hands but is a very interesting article giving certain modern footballers views on just how football affects the world around us .

I certainly found it worthwhile , would encourage you to read it , and as its a long read I shall paste a few parts below . Enjoy.

[Philip Neville] Football is tribalism. It’s something different from your family, from work, from your hobby. This is a religion; it’s your tribe that you fight for. You become attached to your tribe, and this attachment is passed down through generations.   It’s not like you’re born one day and think, ‘hey, I’ll support Man Utd or Liverpool,’ this is passed down!

Manchester United has been passed down through my own family, through my dad and granddad. I worked in Liverpool for 8 years, and it’s even more tribal there. Houses and families are split through football!

The joy, the happiness, the disappointment that comes with football is exhilarating for players, families, spectators and more.

You have your family life, your work life, and football is separate to that. Football is a second life! I’ve seen accountants, lawyers, heads of state who- when they go to watch football- become different animals! That’s what makes the game so special.

If you saw someone at a football game watching their team, I get the feeling that what you see is their true character! This may sound deep, but when I go and watch a football game- when I’m not working- you really do express your true characteristics through how you feel and act. It’s a brilliant barometer of your own character!

I’m fortunate enough to own a hotel right next to Old Trafford, and when I took my father up to the top floor to see the ground, he got emotional. It was my father’s dream for his sons to own something so close to the club. He was a man who cancelled his own wedding because he thought a match was on a Saturday, so he arranged his wedding for Sunday. The game got moved to Sunday, and so he cancelled his wedding because United were playing at home! That’s how patriotic he was to the club.

My granddad took my dad to the games, and they always called at the same chippy at the top of Sir Matt Busby Way. When my dad took me, that was his dream- to take me to the same chip-shop before the game. When I take my son, I want to take him to the chip shop too! These are the things that get passed through the generations.

Leighton Baines] We’re at a real cross-roads in football. There’s a new TV deal coming into the game, and clubs are already spending the money. Someone has to step-in and put some guidelines into the game. The financial fair-play guidelines that were introduced a few years ago are vague, unclear and difficult to apply.

People are concerned about football growing away from it’s fans, and I get the feeling we’re not too far away from that point.

SKY and BT are battling it out for TV rights, and I doubt it’s long before they insist on pay-per-view matches, so people have to pay to watch every match on-top of their TV subscriptions!   This would be a huge shame.

I’m sometimes conflicted. It’s true that people can still earn really good money without it getting silly, but then you see that Floyd Mayweather earns more in one fight than Lionel Messi may earn in a few years! There’s a case for wage-caps in football, but then look at someone like Messi who plays every single week, arguably to a bigger audience than boxing, but earns a fraction of someone at the top of that sport- that’s a bit of an imbalance.   It’s perhaps because football is so popular that people concern themselves with earnings in the sport, but in truth- sportsmen around the world, particularly in the USA are earning far more than footballers.

Sometimes people ask whether money motivates footballers…. If I hadn’t made it as a professional footballer, I’d still be playing every Tuesday night with my friends at a soccer-dome or wherever.   If being a professional footballer had paid £500 a week, I would have done it and never once complained about the money. It’s a consequence of where I’ve got to, that money has come along.   In my career, I’ve never made a decision based on money- there’s been plenty of opportunities where more-money has come along with better options, but I’ve never made a decision based on that. I negotiate my own contracts to get the best deal for me and my family, I don’t use an agent to drive things for me. I always realise the fortunate position I’m in.   If there was a job that paid me £5000 a week, and football paid £500 a week, I’d still pick football in a heartbeat, because it’s my passion.

I recognised not long ago, that I felt a tremendous guilt about the money in football. I felt so guilty about how much I was earning- and only recognised this recently. I started to try and do things away from football, in my area, to do things to improve the community. I really questioned my motivation for why I wanted to do more in the community, and with young people- and of course there’s empathy, but I know there was a lot of guilt about money and the position I was in. Realising this was a real moment of clarity… and was a big motivator for me to do more in the community.

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Interesting leader.
And so to money…….
Re the compo Celtic got from Leicester.
In reality BR and his coaching team have cost us nothing, not a single cent, everything he has done for the club has been for free, nada, nothing, zilch, he has set up a very professional Lennoxtown for any future manager to follow, we have seven silver baubles gracing the trophy cabinet, an invincible season, a double treble with the possibility of another treble, and just to cap it all of we have more money sloshing about in our bank account than we know what to do with.
And some are calling him a charlatan, dearie me.
We won’t use this windfall to employ another manager who could carry on from where BR has left us, a manager who could help to establish us in europe where there is more real money to be made so the club can grow, we will go for the cheap option and hoard the cash, the downsizing of the club will continue unabated while the balance sheet soars to unimaginable heights, it’s criminal really, but it’s Celtic.

The Gombeen Man

It’s interesting how Phil Neville uses the word ‘attachment’. The word partly originated from an old French word meaning ‘nailed to.’

The over-identification with a group is apparently a component of the False Self system and reveals itself in a rollercoaster of negative and harmful emotions…

Just ask any Sevie after the match on Tuesday or look at the bile directed at Brendan Rodgers by otherwise reasonable folk.

Neville’s right these attachments are often forged in childhood and if left unchecked can unconsciously direct and limit our lives.

In my case it is an addiction. I know my attachment is being manipulated and I’m being expolited, it’s hard to break the corrosive chain.

Life has a way though of waking us up to the reality of all this. Something happens, some kind of a real life wake up call…A health scare or bereavement etc.

When that happens sanity prevails.

You can dip in and dip out.

Soccer is a pantomime. A soap opera. There’s always a villain. It’s a distraction, nothing more. The suits will one day have a wake up call too… Sevco can pretend all they like…

It’s a bit of craic but sometimes some of us longer than others to see that.

But maybe it’ll take the Sevvies longer than the rest of us to wake up from their nightmare…?

Isn’t it better not to wake someone from a nightmare? ?

Rebus67

TET,

It is a sad day when we have to complement a person for doing the job they were hired to do. BR’s term at Celtic was very successful. He had more resources and better experience than his rivals and he did what he was hired to do. He was well rewarded for that, both in monetary terms and in the stature he created as being a true fan of the club. Throughout, with the possible exception of going public with his spat with PL, he was the consomate professional. However, the haste with which he left was the reverse and was all about BR and nobody else. BR is a very good manager and he would have obtained at least an equivalent position to the Leicester job after the end of the season. He choose to look after himself and abandon the club, days before crucial matches. That was neither professional, nor was it aligned with the image he wished to convey as a true Celtic fan. He has started constructing the same image as a Leicester fan with his themes of devoting his life to the club. Eventually football fans will see this for what it is. The sad thing is that he has no need to create this image, his managerial skills speak for themselves.

I hope he learns from this experience and develops more awareness of self. Personally, I feel he sold me a bill of goods.

Rebus

Rebus
You seem to be missing a couple of very important things here if I may say so.
WHY did he leave with so much haste, people who are happy in their work don’t leave like that, unless the club knew he would be leaving, I am in the camp that they did know hence we had someone in the same day, so un Celtic like, added to the fact that the deal was done in a few short hours as they would have us believe, no chance.
” It is a sad day when we have to complement a person for doing the job they were hired to do “, strange statement imo, people are happy enough to slag him to bits for leaving without knowing the circumstances yet giving him complements are deemed to be sad, as I said, strange thing to say.
Anyways, that wasn’t the point of my post, was it.
HH

Rebus67

TET,

As you have indicated most of what we post on here is opinions based on outcomes not causes, because we do not know much about causes. You think BR left for certain causes; I differ on the causes. That is not strange, it is the grist of the blog. I hope you are not developing the thinking that anyone that disagrees with your POV is “strange”.

However, we can agree that BR was unhappy in his job. It is the manner in which he left that left a bad taste in my mouth.

It is interesting that the compo nearly balances out BR’s management costs and you may be correct that the Board will decide to cheap out on the next appointment. Would it have been less strange if I had included that in my original reply? It still would not have altered my opinion of BR’s rapid exit.

Cheers,

Rebus

Rebus
You said….. ” It is a sad day when we have to complement a person for doing the job they were hired to do ”
That’s what I found strange, the statement, nothing to do with peoples opinions if they agree or disagree with me or not.
I wasn’t happy the way he left either, but I believe the board knew he was going to do it, hence having someone in just like that.
Everything that came out in the immediate aftermath was anti BR pro board, I wonder where that was coming from, not.
A succession of managers have left the club for varying reasons, but I would wager that the common denominator is to blame in the main for their departures.
HH

TET, There was some us who shared the ‘blame’ between BR’s actions and part of the causes ie. PL. I certainly wasn’t pro board on this issue.

i’m sure Bobby was of a similar opinion.

mahe

Fool Time Whistle,,
From yesterday ,, I rarely have the time to instantly respond these days as a baby is running around and needs my attention believe it or not but I do tend to get back to posters at some stage . Typing on naps is how I run my empire 😉

“ Hard to escape the conclusion that the board will choose a candidate that requires the least radical overhaul of our systems & playing staff. That will definitely limit or field of candidates. Can we take NFL at his word that the systems bequethed by BR as as ticketyboo as he implied. Or was this the corporate script to calm the frayed nerves of insomniacs in planet Celtic? “

I find the systems left in place bit very interesting .
Now in my previous profession I have encountered similar , and done similar in leaving improved systems in place myself ,, sometimes drastically improved ,, so I know this scenario can come true indeed.

However my issue is that , thats fine for me finding or the guy replacing me , finding new startling information but Im not in the news or the face of a multi million company .
It seems from what is being implied that Neil was not up to date , or had no concept of , new modern methods of coaching and science or similar.
Should this worry me that he was in effect left behind? Is he behind on anything else ?
Perhaps its nothing and just me but I like to think the manager of Glasgow Celtic to be up to date or at least have some idea of top level methods currently employed.
That caused me a little eyebrow raise reading that , and now youve thrown out there that its devious ?
Apart from the fact it doesnt make Lenny look good at all , and I can hardly see him agreeing to that , football is not played on paper and any dossiers or files of new intelligence are only as good as the mind that receives them .
Essentially what I am getting that is Pep could write out a handbook on what to do ,, it doesnt mean if you read it youre gonna win matches though does it ?
And going on what little I have seen and what im reading , it hasnt helped Neil one bit as we arent playing well .
Soo actually it doesnt matter if the files where there or not , and they certainly arent groundbreaking at this moment in time to the manager in situ .
This kinda leads down your road of thinking ,,, what was the point in bringing them up , mentioning them ?
A comfort blanket ? Icing on Lennys cake that we are getting new improved Lenny ?
Seems its backfired , at least to me , this brag.

Hope alls well and Hail Hail from a chilly and still dull central California..

mahe

TGM ,, its funny you say first but Ive honestly been thinking footie is a real life adult soap opera .
Its a twist a minute ffs . Perhaps they think this is what we want rather than actual pure sport !
It is an addiction ,,, needs to be recognised first of course and those who travel tend to spot it quicker I think .
Those in the hardcore areas have it worst of all as it affects daily life even and is practically impossible to avoid .
Rock and hard place.
Hope alls good pal ,, great post
Hail Hail

Margaret McGill

Apart from timing I don’t see any difference with Virgil leaving Celtic and BR
They both did it to further their own careers
They both kissed their badges
They both used Celtic as a stepping stone to the EPL
They both did it for money
and more importantly Celtic PLC did it for even more money
Football is totally corrupt.
As I said the other night anyone who thinks BR left had nothing to do with Lawwell is
liar
dumb
bigot
pick 2.

Margaret McGill

PL will pick the cheapest option
what candidates?

mahe

Mags he prefers Irishmen as
This keeps the club relevant in the Old Country
The heart keeps you there longer than the head would
They generally move when done thus not in much contact after
Plays on tradition
Climate is normal so is food
Can scoot across the water easy for bday etc
Tried and trusted earner
Keep adding your own

Michael O Neill will be cheap. Duff as assistant?

Fool Time Whistle

Morning all, (well it is here anyway)

I enjoyed watching the Liverpool v Bayern game yesterday but it was something related to the other game that caught my eye.

Last Valentine’s Day there was another mass shooting in the USA, at a High School in Parkland, Florida.
One student, Anthony Borges took five bullets while trying to save some of his classmates when he held a door closed the door to the room they were all in, as the gunman fired through it as he tried to gain entry.
Anthony survived and is getting back to something approaching full health.
His story was heard by FC Barcelona since they are his favourite team – and that club took him under their wing.

He and his family were at the game against Lyon last night.
Here’s the video I found of it.
HH
https://twitter.com/i/status/1106201566837641216

Margaret McGill

FTW
Thanks for sharing.

JTT53
I know you weren’t, sadly tho most people were, they swallowed everything the media was throwing at them, the same media they despise when it suits them, very strange indeed 😉
HH

Rebus67

FTW,

Great story!

Rebus

mahe

FTW,,, great heartwarming tale on this thirsty Thursday.
Btw I think Jurgen passed his interview and Bayern will pull out all the stops to get him after the Pool. Yogi Low will get it meanwhile.
That team needs ripped up and started again.
Virgin oozes class.
Hail Hail

Fool Time Whistle

Morning Mahe & thanks for getting back to me…

It seemed to me that there was a clear corporate message coming out (several probably) when we woke up on that Tuesday morning to the news that BR was leaving. In essence it was – The King is Dead – Long Live The King.
A lot of scurrying around to present a “business as usual” message, and for me , NFL was on message when he emerged for that first media conference in the No 7 Lounge (I think).

I don’t have a problem with that really, because that is their job – to manage the club through smooth & not so smooth waters. I hadn’t really extrapolated that to where you took it though. Is Neil a dinosaur in terms of modern football management?

That notion was either overlooked by the club’s PR or never considered or just maybe – Neil’s credibility was sacrificed for the greater good of steadying the good ship Celtica.

I’m fairly certain that NFL would not be as cutting edge of BR on the continental style optimising player performances holistically. Neil likes too many things that are incompatible with that culture – drinking & a less than cerebral management style being front & centre. He’s an old fashioned manager if you like – work hard, play hard and don’t leave anything out on the pitch after a game. Mr Kamberi at Hibs is not a student of that British culture, obviously.

Having said all that, Neil admitted that so much had changed – he mentioned technology particularly – so with the investment in staff & equipment already made by virtue of the BR tenure, he would be foolish to disregard all of that, especially if he wants the permanent gig. Imagine the rumblings if highly paid (sic) staff start gossiping about how they have become marginalized since BR left.

Secondly, we have players at the club who have been raised on all these disciplines – diet, lifestyle, sleep, flexibility, monitoring & analysis bras etc: loan players at Celtic who are contracted to clubs that rely on Celtic maintaining this modern approach to player health & performance so that their asset does not lose value by adopting all the worst Scottish eating habits.

It does seem that the Celtic NFL left has moved on considerably – in some areas of player performance & health but probably not in other more strategic echelons – but who knows.
Neil will know that his performance will be measured by several factors – results & trophies, player development & happiness & crucially, his personal attitude & style of working. If he falls dwon in any one of these then he will be for the short term, which begs the question – who if not him?

Personally, I have no idea because the field is so wide open – literally we could recuit in Scotland, in the UK, in Europe or even further than that. A convergence will likely be the result – of where Celtic are and could be with a coach who has something to prove/sees Celtic as the platform to raise his profile. All of this does mean that we as Celtic fans shouldn’t get so attached to any new manager as we did to BR or MON.

Since Jock Stein managed us most of our managers have been in charge for 1 year (Wim, Dr Jo, Barnes, Mowbray, Macari) while the others ahve been around 2/3 years – Martin O’Neill the exception at 5 years. The one year guys included some who were succesful – Dr Jo & Wim while others were a bad fit. I feel sorry for Ronnie Delia as his ideas were in line with BRs but he didn’t have the clout or backing to face down player unrest the way BR did.

If NFL goes in the summer then perm any one of a hundred potential candidates – plus others that are lurking in left field. As others have said, Celtic usually go for the value choice, but with BR who wasn;t from that segment, they ended up with probably the best value of all managers they’ve hired.

Trophies by the bucketload & 9 million quid as a payoff.

Dodgy weather in North Carolina too.

HH

Paul 67’s leader today seems to me anyways to be saying that we are going down the cheap route, ie Lenny or similar, for a new manager, why am I not surprised, takes time to count out £9 million I suppose.

Margaret McGill

only if Lenny screws it up. What we are looking for is someone (any Duff and Duffer) to cover the PLC failings in the treble treble or 10iar pursuits until PL plunders the glorious balance sheet in his manufactured exit in 2021/22

Mike in Toronto

Mahe…

“Virgin oozes class”… is that a typo? LOL

You threatened me with a yellow for much less than this!

🙂

Mike in Toronto

I posted this on the other blog, but, probably get more of a discussion on here …

Mahe/BMCUWP … hopefully, I’m not breaking any rules by positng the same thing on both sites… if so, apologies and I wont do it again..

I’m of the mind that it doesn’t hurt to think ahead… so, been giving some thought to who might take over in the summer …

If Celtic is going to make a mark in Europe, they need to start learning to play a different game than what works in Scotland … so, I think a foreign manager is the route to go

Previously, I had fancied someoneLeko, but he has done so well at Brugge, and Belgian football is on the rise, so I cant see him moving to Celtic … but I can see Martinez/Maloney looking to get back into club football after the summer, so they are in with a shout…

if we are going to think outside the box … how about Pelissier at Amiens? He has done wonders at a small club in a good league .. it is only a matter of time betore a bigger club takes a chance on him.

A manager like him is a bit of a gamble for sure, but, I think the old Scottish way no longer serves us in Europe, so, if we want to step up in Euorpe, we may have to take a chance/ think outside the box a bit …

Margaret McGill

He reminds me of Blanco Baresi

Por cierto

BR. Whatever. Time to look to the future.

Now I think we have the Cart in front of the Horse re the Managers/1st Team Coach appointment as being the one we need to get right. I think the Director of Football appointment is the one where a vast amount of money should be spent.

Get this right and we can easily deal with any Carrer minded 1st Team Coach who takes up the reins at Celtic Park.

DoF’s tend to stay around clubs longer than coaches, which leads to more stability throughout all football departments from First Team to Development .

This is the way I want to see our structure changed, for the better, with that buffer between the CEO and the Coach and the players brought into fit a system and sports science approach that wont change because a 1st team Coach has left.

It also makes a structure for people in the dug out to climb into the DoF position rather than leave por cierto.

Margaret McGill

Where in NC are you?

Fool Time Whistle

Cornelius.

Mike, but does our board have any European ambitions? I know it’s a silly question but sometimes I wonder.

Por cierto

I think qualifying either CL or EL and getting out of the groups are our ambitions. Really a club the size of Celtic should be looking to get to an EL semi or final por cierto

I agree but does our board? This is the mental aspect of it. A money driven board like we have, PL & DD, Don’t have the heart for Europe – £30m profit potentials – but are scared. They do the maths. Too much risk. Like a cold hearted accountant.

PC
You seem to be forgetting that we already have a DoF in all but name, he is the reason previous managers have been less than pleased.
I agree with you tho, it’s deffo the way to go, it makes perfect financial sense, been saying it for years, I just can’t see Pedro sanctioning the cost else he would have before now, unless he is told to that is.
As for europe, the board have no ambitions other than qualification for the groups every few years, anything else is a bonus, as long as the OF brand keeps ticking over they are happy, imo of course.

BTW, we now have another major shareholder on board. I think that is three (3) billionaires on board. And we will settle for Lenny or Davie Moyes!

jtt53
If it’s Moyes I will seriously consider walking away, it won’t be football on show, he would be such a backward step, again imo.

Auldheid

Ive just posted this on CQN on same issue.

Paul’s blog raises an interesting dilemma.

Stick or twist when sticking means fingers crossed leaving no choice but to twist.

Recognise that the shelf life of a Celtic manager is no more than three years with a release clause for each year.

In that time take a risk in salary offered that release would cover or offset considerably the salary cost if the manager is successful on two fronts where a dependency exists:

1. results and

2. player development to achieve them.

To reduce the effect of churn that would inevitably arise if we jump board a manager merry go round, analyse what works and what doesn’t under the previous manager and keep the former and correct the latter.

Formalise it in an ever improving coaching and best of management SYSTEM that is a constant but always improving regardless of who a new manager is.

No more a manager bringing in his own team of guys. He works with a team of in house guys who are familiar with what has been working but are open to any new ideas a new manager might bring to the party and tweak the system.

To have a regularly successful team on the park some form of stability is required. The consequences of BR’s departure have been softened by the availability of NL, but even had BR’s departure been delayed until the summer we still would be looking for two CBs, a RB anđ possibly another CF.

That is a systems failure and if we can forget all the crap surrounding PL and BR and who did what to whom, we might even reach a general accord on what is in Celtic’s long term managerial interests that is independent of the personalities at the time.

For it to work transparency is required which in turn requires Celtic to explain and sell their manager recruitment policy and how they intend to implement it.

I should correct myself. Not on the board of directors but major shareholders.

JIMTHETIM53

My article the following day hammered them both,mate.

But TET is right in one respect,that there was a curious alignment in the tone of most of the other blogs. They hammered BR,no mention of PL.

And they’re still doing it too.

TET, Like the rest of us, I don’t know what is being considered in the inner parts of Parkhead. But given PL’s modus operandi I am sending out a warning shot to him. On the assumption that some wee person at Celtic Park reads Celtic social media. Then reports to his Highness.

MIKEINTORONTO

Not at all,mate. This isn’t a site that demands exclusivity. I occasionally post links to the article on e-Tims,and vice versa.

MiT
There are many managers~coaches who would be delighted to work for us, europe is full of quality up and coming coaches, I just can’t see the board giving it to anyone other than Lenny, he is a gift for them.

MAHE

That’s quite the interesting article you linked to!

It seems some players know a bit about tradition and social conscience,and some even realise how lucky they are to get paid a fortune for doing something that they love! Not all of them are mercenaries then.

Kinda restores my faith…

Margaret McGill

I think “we” will still be looking for two CB’s, a RB and a CF no matter who is manager as “we” are not the ones deciding. I think is the reason “we” got screwed when BR left because this was the same requirement “we” were looking for before “we” got screwed. As “we” all know.

big packy

HI GHUYS, need to throw my tuppenceworth in, I admit to calling Brendan Rodgers all the names under the sun when he left, because of the way he came across as a badge kisser, and that immortal line I wont forget,, I was born into celtic, but at the same time the board did not do him any favours, they did not loosen those purse strings ant to be perfectly honest I don’t think peter has any intention of doing it anytime soon.hh.,

The Gombeen Man

TET,

The preferred characteristics according to the article are…

‘uncomprimising and unconscionable’.

( unethical, amoral, immoral, unprincipled, indefensible, wrong;)

a) I think it’s complete baloney and don’t believe the author believes it himself.

b)The same guy told us before Brendan’s appointment that we wouldn’t get an out of work EPL coach.

Under Brendan we had bitter defeats in Europe but qualified for the CL twice. We got through the group stage of the Europa.

A Double Treble etc etc.

He left us 8 points clear, the League Cup and undefeated in the Scottish Cup.

He left a reported £9m in compo.

Despite these achievements the begrudgers and entitled direct the term mercenary.

The reality is that the PLC and Scottish football lost him to a bigger market.

Unfortunately we are back to the downsizing with the spinners spinning the usual stuff.

The criteria will be;

1) What will keep the peasants quiet and

2) Low cost and low risk.

HH.

big packy

mahe or bobby, how come my post is halfway up the page, you 2 trying to tell me something.?

rebus67

Sometimes when something happens there is not a conspiracy behind it. Neil said on camera that some things/people were familiar and some things had changed. Here he mentioned the technology aspect. As far as I know, he was the one that mentioned this, not anyone else. I do not see anything wrong with that. It is a stretch to conclude that he is behind the times on the basis of his remarks.

Earlier someone mentioned Bate Borisov, a modest club that does reasonably well in European competitions. They have a system when a manger leaves, there is often someone in house to replace him. Barcelona has applied the same process…when Pep left, the replacement was already at the club. IN fact, Pep, himself, came through the ranks. This approach minimises the disruption caused by a manager’s departure.

IMHO, BR had reached the limits of what he could achieve at Celtic and had decided to move on at the end of the season. With someone like BR, this was always going to happen at some point. There was little chance of his #1 staying behind….BR has his team and they come and go as a unit. Either we accept this as the norm, or we get a less ambitious manager in and settle for what he provides, or, again, we try to grow our own, as we do with players.

Neil is a hybrid between the second and third types of recruit. Part of me says, he stepped into the breech at short notice, did not screw up in the first two games, reward his loyalty by giving him the job. Another part says, hold on, run a competition and pick the best available at this time.I think I am for the second option.

Rebus

mahe

Big packy,, you’re at the bottom of my page,,the prominent dignified superior spot 😉
Hope you’re good pal
Hail Hail

big packy

mahe,,luv ya to bits, hope you are well joan and the dugs send their love.hh.,

mahe

BMCUWP,,cheers pal and hope alls good.
If you’re gonna be lazy and link to an article make sure it’s a goodun 😉
However not sure I agree with the conclusion by the professor. He basically says football is soo beautiful because the poorest , the richest , me you anyone can practice and maybe make it,,that playing with a ball is a primitive language we can all speak and take joy from,,that it’s spontaneous and can happen worldwide means it will never fail etc.
Well in the 50s and 60s and into the 70s boxing was much much bigger , huge infact. And theres nothing more spontaneous or to be found worldwide than throwing your arms and fists about. In fact as there is nothing else needed it’s probably the most simplest sport of all.
Back in the day boxers were household names and all knew the champs,,,I reckon many would struggle to name the current champions.
That sport had it all , and greed , mismanagement, corruption tainted it so that now it’s a shadow of its former glory.
Football should learn that lesson.
Seems many agree money is killing the game ,,, none will step up and speak though never mind take action.
Hail Hail

TGM
For sure, it will come down to money at the end of the day, an extra £9 mill on the balance sheet should be looked at as an unexpected gift and spent to the betterment of the team, it won’t be, for all BR has done for us, leagues and cups, a few decent euro nights, a few bad ones right enough, but two CL groups, EL group, and we got out of it, heaps of money in the bank and now £9 mill in compo, the anti BR pro board spin is still coming out daily, thankfully for the board the support are too stupid to realise what they are doing, when were the support ever interested in how much money we have, never as far as I can recall till the hun went bust, another gift from heaven from the board, a perfect excuse not to spend money, this is what will happen if we do, FFS the ejits actually believed it and still believe it.
ScunneredCSC
HH

Fool Time Whistle

I see that Schalke have sacked their manager Domenico Tedesco.
Another name for our board to add to their list…or not…

Fool Time Whistle

Krasnodar have just scored at home to Valencia making 1-0 on the night, but 2-2 on aggregate – with Krasnodar going through on away goals – at the moment.

Always debatable about doing the equivalency thing – but since Valencia were significantly better than us – where are we in the great European football pecking order.

Not fans, not money, not past glories – but a reality check on where we honestly place ourselves.

Update – Valencia have just equalized in last minute of added time & so they go through 3-2 on aggregate.