Media Cant

The site is,as ever,grateful for the following article on media cant and hypocrisy by AULDHEID. He doesn’t pull any punches!

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My Hypocrisy Knows No Bounds. (Doc Holiday to Wyatt Earp in Tombstone the movie)


Having recently read the Gordon Waddle article from the JJ site and JJ’s references to Jackson’s similar attack based on a moral duty for Celtic to pay up, and an exchange on Twitter with Neil Cameron that brings up journalists past failings starting with a Tweet that says:
“ It’s amazing how this topic is written about by so many sports journalists but in 2012 some refused to be drawn on anything but football due to threats and loss on jobs. I find that rather bemusing”
(see https://twitter.com/NeilCameron5/status/1136363619678064640 for the Twitter chain. The topic being Child Abuse and the moral duty of Celtic to act on it.)


Standard Disclaimer First.


Before going any further I view the damage done by child abuse as the equivalent of spiritual murder for which appropriate sanctions, justice and remedies must apply, but is it not hypocritical to demand for enquiries on moral grounds for child abuse but then use that deeply moral argument to tar and smear anyone asking for moral justice in football as “disgusting” as Cameron did in response to the Tweet?)


Cameron isn’t alone in this of course, Alex Thomson had to face the same sort of judgement when he mentioned Rangers avoiding paying £48M+ in tax via use of an unlawful ebt scheme. The child abuse at Celtic Boys Club provides those who cheated Scottish football for years yet retain the results, with both a shield and a moral weapon of choice. There is obviously an attempt to use events of 30 years ago to cripple Celtic financially, but the question is who is behind it and why?


Have the Rangers Board said anything to their supporters to distance themselves from the supporter’s paedophile ring claims that are a constant attempt at blackening Celtic’s name?


Has there been any statement by the current Rangers Board out of respect for the victims that it is wrong of their support to make such accusations and demands for investigation, or would that be taken to be they know they live in a glass house of their own that they don’t want investigated?
Have Celtic asked that they do so? Why not given the dubiety of the moral basis of their supporter’s motivation and reputational damage to Celtic?


Using morality as a weapon to undermine Celtic is a two edged sword, where the accusations of “disgusting” made by Cameron in response to the opening observation on Twitter is used against anyone seeking football justice but blocked by the 5 Way Agreement.


Celtic must be aware of it’s contents as there is no way Celtic would have been unsighted on it before it was lodged.


Whilst the commercial imperatives that made some agreement necessary are understandable, why were Sevco able to make being given Rangers Full SFA Membership a condition of agreement when after 5 years, had they followed the normal rules in 2012 for a new club, (Registered, Associate then Full SFA Membership after 5 Years) they would have become Full SFA Member? Why were they not told to sling their hook, particularly as such agreement is at SFA discretion under rules with a title prohibiting such transfer, discretion that also conflicts with the UEFA view as expressed by Traverso in his letter of June 2016 (see Res12 Archive) based on Article 12 of UEFA FFP?


We know a side letter to the 5 Way Agreement exists (making it part of the agreement ) it seems to provide immunity to ” Sevco for the sins of Oldco, and something in the 5 Way itself has diverted the SFA limited and so questionable investigation into UEFA Licensing in 2011 (https://www.Res12.uk ) from their own SFA Judicial Panel Protocol Tribunal to the Court of Arbitration on Sport.

https://www.Res12.uk


All of this suggests Sevco under Charles Greene must have had some bargaining power, even allowing for none of the clubs in Scotland wanting to lose the income that Oldco brought to the game, that would make the SFA/SPL more than willing to bargain integrity away.


Why are SFA and member clubs not reminding The Rangers Board that the 5 Way Agreement, that sacrificed the integrity of Scottish Football at the altar of commercialism is not a pardon for past sins, or is it?


Then there is the sheer hypocrisy from a supporter base that sees nothing immoral about cheating the tax payer of millions that could have helped the sick, that wants to retain titles won by use of a tax scheme Rangers FC used UNLAWFULLY, a support so keen on morality they have never asked for LNS to be revisited when the Supreme Court ruled that their club HAD used EBTS unlawfully , which totally undermined the LNS statement that supported his “no sporting advantage decision viz:
LNS 104. “ Nor is it a breach of SPL or SFA Rules for a club to arrange its affairs – WITHIN THE LAW – so as to minimise its tax liabilities. The Tax Tribunal has held (subject to appeal) that Oldco was acting within the law in setting up and operating the EBT scheme.”


In what world does unlawful and within the law both mean lawful?


To be fair it wasn’t just the Rangers support not wanting an enquiry, the SFA rejected an SPFL request to open one. However is that based on the greater danger to the game of the SFA’s (and then SPL’S) part in attempting to minimise ten years at least of Rangers dishonesty and bad faith to fellow member clubs to one of a lesser registration issue , rather than the breach of faith or the fraud that HMRC considered had taken place, something that can also found from reading the Res12 Archive,linked above.


On the registration issue alone, other clubs have lost points since 2012 for incorrect registration and the Welsh FA have shown recently how much they value upholding the integrity of Welsh football when registration rules were breached. Points deducted. End of, no imperfectly registered but eligible argument.


So let’s take no hypocritical crap that uses one degree of morality to bury another. Celtic should be quietly reminding The Rangers Board that they are only there because of an agreement that Celtic were party to, an agreement reached under fear and possibly threat and tell them to call off their laptop loyal dogs of war and remind their support what decency is, whilst doing the decent thing themselves on both issues.


They should be asking the laptop loyal why when given precise details of events in 2014 showing material kept from LNS (there is a list of journalist names) the SMSM failed to pursue?


They should be asked why they did not follow up the Tax Justice Network report of 2016 and seek answers from the SFA and why when pointed at the Res12 Archive recently , they refuse to comment on the basis it refers to a dated issue.


An excuse that totally ignores the serious questions of governance the Archive raises about the UEFA Licensing process itself as well as the SMSM’s own part in making the original issue dated by not investigating, having been provided with sufficient reason to do so with the Charlotte Fakeover leaks from summer of 2013.


Using the “provenance” of the material issue as an excuse instead of door stopping the SFA and SPFL to confirm or refute the Charlotte Fakeover narrative is surely a dereliction of reporting duty?

I suspect most know they have been derelict and can only attack those who say so.Neil Cameron had one of his regular smears against Phil Mac Giolla Bháin. Something that led to the Herald man leaving the NUJ after internal action was taken by the journalists’ union. See here.”


The problem here of course is that going on the front foot requires Celtic to be honest with their support on what the 5 Way has bound Celtic to and what its consequences have been for Res12. A tangled blue web of lies has been woven to ensure ST sales stay high at both Ibrox and Celtic Park, and in Scottish football perhaps that is all that matters, but it is harder work pedalling a lie than is pedalling the truth.


A wise man once said


“ The Truth shall set you free”


So instead of energies being expended on a corrupt commercial business model that might recreate the same conditions that brought about Rangers demise in 2012 why don’t all parties to the 5 Way Agreement be truthful. Rip it Up and Start Again or is that not the right thing to do?


https://youtu.be/ESy-Z8vqMrE

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Our grateful thanks to AULDHEID for his work on the above article,and obviously for all the work he has done over the past six years as one of the Resolution 12 campaigners. You too can have your observations laid out as Article of the Day. Mail it to Mahe

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Morning,all.

Can you please refrain from using the term pedrophile? I get the clever play on words,like Anglophile for instance,though you won’t find many of them on here!

I’m not bothered by anything said elsewhere by easily-offended serial whingers,but the request was made by one of our members,and I have to agree with him. It is inappropriate.

HH

AULDHEID

That’s a fantastic article. Hypocrisy laid bare indeed.

Of course the reporting,such as it is,may not be entirely due to their hatred of-and therefore targeting of-all things Celtic. It might in fact be part of a larger diversionary tactic,one big ginormous squirrel.

I’m sure that isn’t the case though,for that squirrel would soon be hunted down-hounded down,haha!-by a ferret. Which sounds like great fun.

Monti

Lawwell out!

MONTI

Talking my language there,mucker.

Noel Skytrot

Great article Auldheid
the current entity from the Southside have some brass neck when it comes to preaching morality. I could list a number of things that aren’t so shiny and light that the Ibrox supporters should really be ashamed about but i’m not one for moralizing or whataboutery.
All this nonsense about having sympathy for the victims of those who were abused is pish.
They all claim that this has been known about for a long time by many in the media and other circles and if that’s the case, why wasn’t it highlighted then? For me, this is nothing more than the most lumpen raging at the inability of their club/company to get the better of their footballing “rivals” and using it as a stick to beat Celtic with, disgusting.

“if you’re gonna judge people and point your fingers, you better make sure your own fingers are clean before you point them.”

Robert Nesta Marley

big packy

AULDHEID,cap doffed, more power to your elbow, and as bobby says thanks for what you and the other ghuys have done.hh.

big packy

im with monti, lawell out please.hh,

Twists n turns

Auldheid
As always, terrific. No rational/ impartial person could argue with the logic or the sentiment. Therein though lies the problem.

Rational
Impartial

The vast majority of the media in Scotland are neither.

All over Scotland, for every 10000 people who read your article, and indeed any of your previous stuff there’ll be 1500 to 2000 thinking
“ well presented and logical”

And

8000 to 8500 thinking

“ f***** fenian b******”

When you consider that the 8k plus consists of not only Joe public, but media, police, referees et al, the scale of the task you’ve been facing becomes clear.

Superb post Auldheid.
The club had the chance to rid the game of the crooks and the cheats, they chose money instead, I said from the very onset of this charade that the only real losers would be Celtic, this will be our undoing, it looks like I may well be proven correct yet again.
HH
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BobbyM
As long as I don’t break the rules was the tag, it seems not, a play on words that offends, eff it Mick, not for me, you will turn this place into another site for the offended.

TWISTSNTURNS

100% hypothetical questions for you as an employer.

If you found that one of your employees was using his or her mail account for personal use,would you consider it a disciplinary matter?

If you found that one of your employees was using his or her mail account to send a litany of offensive and possibly libellous stuff to various websites-blogs,for instance-would you consider that a disciplinary matter?

Just asking,btw. And no,it’s not me or anyone I know.

Monti

If Peter Lawwell & our board have aided the newco & the continuation myth, in the slightest way, i want them all fucking out.
What happened to title stripping?
What happened to the stolen prize money?
Why is our clubs name allowed to be tarnished every fucking day?
Why did Lawwell lie about doing something regarding res 12?
Why is Lawwell not concluding transfers?

He takes £2m a year is it? For doing fucking what like?
Puting disco lights in?
Cannae sign John McGinn but we can afford shite disco lights?
Get tae fuck out of Celtic Lawwell & take your fucking lights with ye!

Have you found the source of the leak yet Peter?
Where’s the results of your two year investigation? Two year?

THEEXILEDTIM

I was very careful in my request,old bean. I consider the term inappropriate. I didn’t say its usage is banned,or that posts will be deleted.

It isn’t,and they won’t be. I’m surely allowed to state an opinion?

MONTI

Every question is a good one,though I might have changed the wording slightly. One of the main problems we have with PL-apart from the fact that he seems to be as permanent as the statues on The Glasgow Celtic Way-is how his KPI is calculated.

Firstly,the remuneration committee are in positions junior to his-as the ultimate micromanager,ALL positions are junior to his,and subservient as a result.

Secondly,many of them owe their positions at the club to him,via prior working relationships.

Thirdly,KPI is calculated via the accounts rather than performance on the pitch.

Now,performance on the pitch WILL lead to better results in the accounts. But they are imponderables and cannot be relied on. Hence the expression “Doon like a Saturday coupon”. As a result,PL avoids the imponderables where possible,take the money and run rather than spend it to accumulate.

Twists n turns

Bobby
On the first question. Using e mail for personal use? No I wouldn’t . My view is that using the company e mail for personal mail isn’t a disciplinary offence. I like to think that it’s doing no harm. As long as it’s not becoming a huge time management issue, then I see no problem with it. In the same way that I expect a bit of give and take from my employees. Contracted to 4-30pm? Something crops up at 4-20pm that can’t be completed until 4-40pm? Stay and finish it. Running half an hour late cos of a personal matter? Come in late. It’s fine.

On the second part

Yes I would have a major concern. I would be seeking legal advice to determine the options available to me, including dismissal if appropriate.

TWISTSNTURNS

That would be my view too. Just as well I’m not a Lee Wallace,innit. Mail you in a mo.

Fernando Ricksen nearing the end. What a horrible disease to suffer from as the families of one of our contributors and of Our Greatest Player know only too well.

No-one deserves this fate.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7123131/Its-getting-difficult-Rangers-hero-Fernando-Ricksen-speaks-final-appearance.html

fan-a-tic

AULDHEID
Thank you for a great piece.
When the vast majority of the best wee country have an agenda.
Morality will always be selective.
Scottish journalism conjures up images of angry primary school kids scribbling with crayons.

Brian Flannery

“The truth will set you free” said a wise man. “But only once its finished with you” said another.

In this case, I suspect that Lawell knows that only too well.

Mike

Somethings never change, Hypocrisy then (Tombstone) now, (Gove).
The so called Scottish press and yet, their adverts are on our hoardings, we never defend our club from smears or criticism, just meekly accept the unacceptable. They try to thwart our club at every opportunity, investigating our player targets and spreading lies, making false innuendos. They blatantly showcase their hatred of all things Celtic.
The bigots at the BBC/STV. weekly they treat us differently, again denying the truth, i.e. the UEFA letter with the blanked out paragraph, referring to the new club, impartial ?
The so called governing bodies, the SFA/SPFL, meant to be open and honest, but following only one agenda, complicit in all the falsehoods, aiding the cheats, denying the truth, confirming the continuity myth, directing the LNS enquiry to suit there own agenda.
The Lanarkshire refereeing association, with its bigoted agenda, supposedly, impartial referees showing quite openly their true colours.
You would think that they do not like us…
But even worse, our own board encouraging you to provide evidence of fraud and then when you do, they tell you that they were going to do nothing about it, that to me is contemptuous and shows us all that they have something to hide.

fan-a-tic

Lines in Defence of the Stage
by William Topaz Mcgonagall
Good people of high and low degree,
I pray ye all be advised by me,
And don’t believe what the clergy doth say,
That by going to the theatre you will be led astray.

No, in the theatre we see vice punished and virtue rewarded,
The villain either hanged or shot, and his career retarded;
Therefore the theatre is useful in every way,
And has no inducement to lead the people astray.

Because therein we see the end of the bad men,
Which must appall the audience – deny it who can
Which will help to retard them from going astray,
While witnessing in a theatre a moral play.

The theatre ought to be encouraged in every respect,
Because example is better than precept,
And is bound to have a greater effect
On the minds of theatre-goers in every respect.

Sometimes in theatres, guilty creatures there have been
Struck to the soul by the cunning of the scene;
By witnessing a play wherein murder is enacted,
They were proven to be murderers, they felt so distracted,

And left the theatre, they felt so much fear,
Such has been the case, so says Shakespeare.

And such is my opinion, I will venture to say,
That murderers will quake with fear on seeing murder in a play.

Hamlet discovered his father’s murderer by a play
That he composed for the purpose, without dismay,
And the king, his uncle, couldn’t endure to see that play,
And he withdrew from the scene without delay.

And by that play the murder was found out,
And clearly proven, without any doubt;
Therefore, stage representation has a greater effect
On the minds of the people than religious precept.

We see in Shakespeare’s tragedy of Othello, which is sublime,
Cassio losing his lieutenancy through drinking wine;
And, in delirium and grief, he exclaims –
“Oh, that men should put an enemy in their mouths to steal away their brains!”

A young man in London went to the theatre one night
To see the play of George Barnwell, and he got a great fright;
He saw George Barnwell murder his uncle in the play,
And he had resolved to murder his uncle, but was stricken with dismay.

But when he saw George Barnwell was to be hung
The dread of murdering his uncle tenaciously to him clung,
That he couldn’t murder and rob his uncle dear,
Because the play he saw enacted filled his heart with fear.

And, in conclusion, I will say without dismay,
Visit the theatre without delay,
Because the theatre is a school of morality,
And hasn’t the least tendency to lead to prodigality.

dubaibhoy

I have to admit that whilst I do not know the full details of the (child abuse) case or of any measures that Celtic may have introduced to reduce the likelihood of this happening again, it seems that in the media handling of the case CFC has failed miserably.

The case is significant enough that it should be viewed alone and should not be allowed by anybody to drag it into whataboutery arguments. In this CFC has failed.

By denying any link between CFC and CBC, CFC has also failed spectacularly. Whilst CBC may have been a separate ‘legal entity’ it remains that the boys team wore CFC strips (possibly provided by CFC) and had its annual team photo taken on the pitch at Celtic Park. Enough visual clues to establish an apparent link to the casual observer. CFC should have acted to right a wrong rather than setting themselves up for one of the most spectacular own goals that the board has scored, one which will follow them as long as William Wilton’s boating accident rumours will follow, follow RFC.

It is pathetic that Scoddish MSM fan the flames of hatred, but in failing to take positive action CFC is only making matters worse.

fan-a-tic

DUBAIBHOY
Surely you’re not suggesting the brilliant CEO and the worlds best run club have been derelict in their actions ?

Friesdorfer

If moral equivalence is what is being suggested regarding Res 12 being ‘dated’ then the same will surely apply to the issue of child abuse – no?

Auldheid

Twist n Turns 8.45

Yup what you say is true but quite a while ago this story and the moral behind it influenced my thinking.

https://www.peoplehr.com/blog/2015/11/20/the-story-of-the-boy-and-the-starfish/

Ripples can take a while to become waves.

For many years I have been an advocate of legalising drugs, if someone chooses to indulge, they will if it’s illegal or not, this is a fact, Prohibition doesn’t work, that is another fact.
The legalisation of drugs have far far many more pro’s than con’s, control being the main one, tax being another one, but the biggest pro IMO being that it would allow the untold man hours that are wasted on trying to massage the figures by the authorities in trying to stop a tidal wave that will never be halted, never in a thousand years will the trade in drugs be stopped.
The man hours could then be better used, used to combat pedophilia, that is a real blight on society, I have said this should happen since I was old enough to understand what child abuse was all about, yet here I am being accused of belittling child abuse because I used the term Pedrophile and a couple of posters find it inappropriate, if you find a word like that inappropriate may I suggest you get out and about a bit more, it never crossed my mind that the word Pedrophile had anything to do with child abuse, to suggest otherwise is quite frankly downright insulting considering my beliefs on child abuse, these are beliefs that I have expressed in the past and for someone to connect the word Pedrophile with child abuse says more about their sick mind than it does mine.
BTW, this was never mentioned when Mags used the word, only when I used it it’s become an issue, well if I am the problem I can take a hint.
I have more pressing things to deal with, like a wife who is dying in front of my eyes and there is feck all I can do about it, sadly neither can the Drs.
So with much respect to you all, you can all go and take a fuck to yourselfs if my using Pedrophile is upsetting you so much.

fan-a-tic

The Exiled Tim
First and foremost look after your wife.
I never associated the word with the connotations some have given it.
I did see that it was a poster who did post on here at one time and posts elsewhere who seems to have an axe to grind with this site who pushed that connection.
He should get himself a Scottish press badge with that sort of innuendo and selective interpretation.
It was hunnish in the extreme .
You are a valuable contributor to this open and expanding blog so keep up the good fight.

big packy

THE EXILED TIM, ill echo what fan-a-tic said, your wife comes first, we love your posts on here. I don’t think mick was having a go at you in a personal sense, I think a poster asked for the term not to be used, but don’t quote me on that, get back on here pdq.hh.

mahe

TeT,
the term has been popping up and during the weekly chat with Mick we both felt its not a good thing to say at all and although I would never tell posters what to say we reckon it was best to ask people to refrain on using it.
Aint personal at all , we just dont like and see it as a bit unbecoming .
Certainly nothing to do with yourself using it believe me. This was coming whether you ever used it or not.
Get back on here !
Hail Hail

mahe

Auldheid many many thanks for todays food for thought. Excellent piece.

Brian welcome to the blog pal. Hail Hail

Twists n turns

Auldheid
Excellent analogy ( if I can refer to the starfish story as an analogy)

Please don’t misunderstand me, I think what you’re doing, and indeed what you’ve done, is fantastic. Especially given the barrier after barrier you’ve had to overcome.
I was ( perhaps not very clearly) just saying that I’ve absolutely no doubt that one of the biggest obstacles you face is that here in Scotland there will be a very high % who know you are correct but want you to fail …… for the reason I offered.

Making a difference?

Auldheid I can tell you I have 3 sons and a daughter. Ages range from 32 to 37. All four know of you. The work you do. The time and effort and not least of all the aforementioned establishment attempts to derail you.

They may succeed. They may not.

Regardless of the outcome, in the eyes of a generation of Celtic supporters your name will live on.

If you don’t get the result that your efforts deserve, you can still sleep easy in the knowledge you threw as many starfish back into the water as you could.

HH

bada bing1

TET- Truly sorry to hear your news,it was me who suggested the term,given the current situation, was inappropriate to Mags.No harm done, and not telling Mags or anyone what to post.Nobody is making light of paedophilia, and ive read a lot of good opinions on a horrible subject. So nobody is accusing anyone on here,of making light of it.I hope you find the strength to deal with your plight HH

Corkcelt

TET, Just lurking here and saw your post. Terribly sorry to read about your wife’s illness. I sincerely hope she makes a full recovery and ye enjoy many more years together continuing the wonderful work ye do.

A thing of beauty

First off many thanks to Auld heid for today’s article. I so admire your tenacity but fear the club will never take this forward for all the reasons you allude to. It is now an issue for the individual supporter. Are you prepared to accept that the game was rigged to save the Huns and continue to support your club or is it your line in the sand moment and you walk away. I knew as soon as Reagan mentioned civil unrest they would do anything to save them so I was reconciled a long time ago, others have their choice to make.
TET, I am so sorry to hear about your wife’s illness and hope she can find some hope to make a full recovery. She is going to need you in the future so stay strong. I see you are upset that people have connected the use of pedrophile to paedophile and I’m sure that your intention would be never to belittle such heinous acts. That said i was uncomfortable every time I read it used on the blog and would prefer not to have any word that could be misconstrued to be a play on words around child abuse. That’s certainly how the chief sweetie wife of another blog took it and he won’t be the only one. As I said I didn’t like it myself but no one can stop you using it, it’s up to you. Please don’t get too upset, you need your strength for far bigger battles and please don’t leave the blog. Your input is always well thought out and insightful.

rebus67

TET,

I am familiar with the issue that your wife has. I know it must be difficult to deal with it for both of you. Sympathy from others is nice, but it does not change the reality. If my own situation is any guide, it affects everything you do and think. Things that used to have significance diminish before your eyes.Discussions of some topics become trite. I know it, I live it.

Do I have a solution? No, I do not not but I know that other things that were once important, can be again in the future.

Thoughts and prayers with you and your family.

I would love to sit down with you and get blasted on red wine. I suspect we would both get something out of that, other than a headache.

Rebus

Evening,folks.

Minor edit made in today’s article,just towards the end of it.

bada bing1

Mikael ‘legs have gone ‘ Lustig, starts in Spain for Sweden, Sky 403

mahe

As far as Im concerned Ncham might have all the skill in the world but it counts for nothing if you are not producing it.
What has he done for us lately,, certainly hasnt cemented a place in the team .
I’d give him a piggy back to the airport if needed. Waste of space and Rogic should watch whats happening and start thinkin am I next?
This season is going to be a battle and neither of those two have heart, and thats needed to win any battle.

Bada curious to know if they state Lustig is a free agent?
Hail Hail

bada bing1

Shved a sub for Ukraine

THEEXILEDTIM

Hi,K. Got up a bit earlier and just read back. I’m truly saddened to hear about TBO,your post about her medical appointment the other day sounded so much more optimistic than has been the case recently. You both have my best wishes and any prayers that are listened to upstairs.

FWIW,I know that you had no intention of conflating the term with child abuse,and so does anyone with any sense. That would never be your way. My problem with it is that it could be misused by others who don’t have our best interests at heart. It was never a swipe at yourself nor at your intent,for that would not be my way of doing things either.

As you say,you have other more important things to occupy your mind,and I respect that. But if you ever feel the need for an occasional diversion,I hope you can find it on here. Please give J a wee hug from me,and have a sneaky manly one yourself.

HH

bada bing1

Mahe- not heard, i would definitely give him another year,some of the abuse ML gets is ridiculous IMO

big packy

TRUE STORY TIME,told this story a hundred times and im telling it again tonight hoping the exiled tim will come on and say oh no not again, at least he will be on, remember years ago im talking early sixties as soon as you were old enough your father would buy you the celtic strip shorts jersey and socks, which I think were green and white like the strip, also the boots were brown and weighed a ton. now he would send me to the local newsagent /cum grocery store, which unfortunately owned and run by mr shaw, did not know who he was, it was only years later, I was told he was jock tiger shaw rangers and Scotland captain. that’s why my dad sent me to the shop with my celtic strip on to wind him up, but in all honesty he never gave me anything but kindness, just remember him sitting there in his Scotland blazer and rangers tie, and he even gave me a bar of five boys chocolate for free, can anybody remember that brand, so whats the saying, don’t judge a lepard by its spots, come on tet ,give me your thoughts.hh.

Twists n turns

TET
Just seen your news. No words I can offer will help but you’ll be in my thoughts my friend.

big packy

BOBBY, proper chocolate.?

fan-a-tic

MAHE
Are you taking the environmentalist thing too far?
Put Ntcham in a taxi or at least drive him to the airport.

fan-a-tic

BADA BING1
Most of the Spanish teams danger is coming down Lustig’s side.
I think Michael feels he has lost a step so sits off his man a little more to compensate.
Unfortunately that gives opponents more time to put in dangerous crosses.
This was evident last season.

bada bing1

Fan a tic- i think most of play is down Swedish left ,good defensive display so far HH

FAIRHILL BHOY

TET- you were the first person I spoke to on here(31-8-18) and I would hate it if you left here because of one ejit from Coatbridge.
Stay strong ?

mahe

Fairhill please forgive me but this has zero to do with Gerry as far as I’m aware.
Perhaps you’ve misundersrood.
Hail Hail