The Lost Ten – Part 8

Morning,all.

As we licked our wounds from the shocker of the season before,the club lost chairman Desmond White. My thoughts about him are widely known-and widely held by others-so I didn’t much mourn his passing in June 85. It would have been nice if he had passed on the numbers and passwords for the secret account in The Cayman Islands before he kicked the bucket,right enough. The club as usual pleaded poverty when it came to signings and spent another million or so painting the crash barriers inside the ground.

Go figure.

No new signings and no left back since the departure of Mark Reid at the end of the previous season. This meant far too often that Tommy Burns was played in that perennial problem position,much to the detriment of his game and of the team overall. The centre of defence was a problem too,with no-one really impressing alongside Roy Aitken. And at right back,Danny McGrain may still have been Danny McGrain,but he wasn’t getting any younger. To find the solution,Davie Hay turned to Stevie Clarke at St Mirren and Joe McLaughlin at Clyde. The board cocked him a deaf ‘un. ”Twas ever thus.

On top of that,Frank McGarvey’s contract wasn’t renewed,nor was he replaced-but we had the ever-excellent Brian McClair and Mo Judas firing them in,with able support from Alan McInally. Did you know he played for Bayern Munchen? Talk to him for two minutes and you will!

Up front and in midfield,there’s no doubt that we were an efficient and clinical unit on our day but,well,Tiocfaidh ar la? We were fed up waiting.

The season started with a dull one,a poor performance at Tynecastle rescued by a late equaliser by Paul McStay. He really was becoming a wonderful player. A couple of good results followed but a draw with the huns at home took the shine off things. I think the crossbar at Celtic Park is still vibrating from a shot by Robert Prytz that day,he absolutely hammered it. A few more good results followed,including a defeat of Aberdeen at home. We rounded off September with a comfortable 2-0 against Dundee and were looking good. Tight at the top with Aberdeen and Dundee United with,surprisingly,Hearts keeping up to the pace.

Then October arrived. In three months between beating Dundee and then Clydebank,both by 2-0,we hit an abysmal run of form. In eleven matches our form read W4 D2 L5 and this included a run of three matches against Aberdeen,Dundee United and Rangers. Which we managed to lose by an aggregate of 10-1. Absolutely shocking.

Turkey was off the menu at Christmas for us Celtic fans that year. They were all on the pitch and we were fed up watching them getting stuffed. Let’s say that morale was low,and leave it at that. God,on our daywe were good,aye,but…

New Year arrived and our inconsistent form continued. Our next ten matches saw us taking only eleven points,with far too many draws in games we should have won. Twice being two goals in front at Ibrox,for instance,and scrambling for a late equaliser for a 4-4 draw. Eight games left and seven points behind unlikely pacesetters Hearts,who were on a long unbeaten run-it looked all over,for sure. And we were out of the cup too,losing again to Hibs. I mean,Hibs?!!!

Indeed,I was wondering whether it had been a good idea converting SOLKITTS to Timmery as we had won sod all really in his four years as a fan! (It was,by the way. Uberfan to this day,as are his family. Just saying)

It was then that we finally found some consistency. Perhaps it was the introduction of Derek White to central defence,but it had more to do with Tommy Burns being restored to midfield instead of being wasted as a stop-gap left back. Wins against Clydebank,Dundee,St Mirren,Aberdeen-at Pittodrie!-and our bogey team that season,Hibs,left us three behind with three to play. We won our next two against Motherwell and Dundee again,while Hearts dropped another point.

It was all down to the final match. We were away to St Mirren and Hearts were away to Dundee. They were two points in front,with a goal difference superiority of four. We had to win by a good few and hope that Hearts would suffer their first defeat since November.

Well,a goal by Brian McClair settled the nerves after five minutes and three more before half-time meant that all eyes were on Dens Park. But I’ll veer from the usual retelling of these years by going for a proper journalists views on the events.


HOW LATE IT WAS! HOW LATE!

By David W Potter

(Following is from the wonderful Keep-the-Faith website (link))

It’s been a bleak few days for Timdom, although gradually the realisation is once again dawning that Celtic remain masters of their own destiny. David W Potter recalls another time, another place, when Celtic were dependent on others. That significant other was Albert Kidd. How the League was won – Love Street , May 3rd , 1986.

May 3 rd 1986 was a dull wet day. In the East of Scotland, mist was prevalent, that cold unpleasant mist which hangs around and makes one wonder whether there is to be any kind of spring this year. In the West, it was wet – nothing unusual about that – as 17,557 fans made their way to the still primitive Love Street with its open terracings and toilets that were, frankly, a health hazard.

The Celtic fans were hardly upbeat. There was a slight chance of winning the title, but only a slight one. Celtic had to beat St.Mirren by four goals and hope that Dundee could beat Hearts at Dens Park – another stadium, like that of St.Mirren, which was long on the proud traditions and history of Scottish football, but short on basic amenities and hygiene.

The word “reconciled” was appropriate to Celtic fans that day. Hearts were going to win the League, and in a moment of weakness, we could confess that they deserved it. After all, it was difficult to be jealous of Hearts who had last won a trophy in 1962. And it would have to be agreed that Celtic had not really had a great season – a fragile defence, talent abounding in midfield, but the team seemingly unable to convert dominance into goals. Up front, Brian McClair and Maurice Johnston, fine players both, but already showing signs of lack of commitment to the Club. Manager Davie Hay was a likeable man, but too often, we felt, not really up to the job.

Hearts on the other hand were a bunch of honest journeymen, well managed by ex-Ranger Alec McDonald, and they had emerged from nowhere as Championship contenders some time about November. Steadily they had seen off the challenges of Aberdeen , Rangers and Dundee United, until Celtic with their staying power pushed them ever so slightly. But Hearts still remained ahead, albeit they were playing in a pedestrian way. They might have won the League the previous Wednesday, but Celtic beat Motherwell to take it to the last day.

The Gorgie area of Edinburgh was galvanised into travelling to Dundee that day, even though the support was full of Johnnie-come-latelies who had been nowhere in sight when they were relegated in 1977, 1979 and 1981. The Hearts support of 1986 had a great deal of new scarves. Yet, one supposed that it was good to see some sort of interest in football in Edinburgh , a city where interest was traditionally and lamentably low. It was a “good thing for Scottish football”, whatever that nonsense meant.

There were other side issues at stake today as well. Rangers, now under the command of Graeme Souness, were at Ibrox and it was between them and Dundee for qualification for Europe . But Rangers fans were less concerned with that then they were with the fortunes of Hearts, who, they hoped, would win the Championship today.

As Celtic buses headed out to Paisley , there were the usual finger gestures from Celtic fans as they passed Ibrox, but it was all rather half-hearted, for the season was finishing like a damp squib for both teams who had let their fans down this year.

Celtic started their game brightly. They had nothing to lose and their slight chance of the League depended on goals being scored. Goals came, five of them, all good, four before half time, so that the Jam Tarts at Dundee heard about this at half time and became despondent. McClair and Johnston scored two each and Paul McStay the other one, and Celtic actually looked (as they had done very rarely this season) like Champions.

1986-05-03: St. Mirren 0-5 Celtic, Premier Division – The Celtic WikiHearts meantime huffed and puffed, but couldn’t score. The first half was dire, and it was only at half time with the news from Love Street that it dawned on them, that although a draw would win them the Championship, it just needed Dundee to score.

John Robertson, their centre forward, had a few chances but went wide of the defence with his best one and blew it. Still, Dundee weren’t like scoring either. But it was still tense as the second half wore on. The half time tannoy man had been in little doubt, however, for he had pleaded with Hearts fans to stay off the pitch at the end of the game so that the League Championship could be presented.

An eerie atmosphere had settled over Love Street . Celtic had done their bit but it hadn’t been good enough. It was raining, and hammering a team 5-0 was not edifying watching, particularly as the players seemed to be a little despondent as well. It could have been so much different this year.

Dundee brought on a substitute called Albert Kidd. His career had flopped badly and he felt that he might emigrate to Australia soon, or if he stayed in Scotland , give up professional football and get a job doing something else. He might become a supporter of his favourite team, Celtic. Still, here he was getting a chance.

Time was passing slowly at both grounds. Love Street was becoming depressing, and Dens Park was tense as the older Jambos recalled 1960 (the last time they had won the League) and the younger ones wondered how they would celebrate that night. At Recreation Park , Alloa, the only supporter on the terracing behind the goal had a transistor radio and kept the players of Alloa and Forfar abreast of developments. “5-0 and 0-0,” he shouted to all who wanted to hear. He was enjoying his moment of power.

But then it happened. St.Mirren’s goalkeeper Jim Stewart, who had once played for Rangers, picked the ball up and bedlam erupted on the terraces as the commentator said, “Kidd has scored!” At Easter Road, Hibs’ Joe Tortolano took a throw in and found himself cheered ecstatically. At Recreation Park , the lad with the tranny started to jump and punch the air. At Ibrox there was also cheering, for they thought that it was Walter Kidd of Hearts who had scored with only seven minutes remaining at Dens Park , not the little known Albert Kidd of Dundee . The cheering died away suddenly when the truth dawned.

Hearts supporters collapsed, some of them literally, but most of them in the figurative sense for they felt a disaster coming. Celtic’s management team signalled to the players to keep calm, for there were minutes remaining. St.Mirren’s players Abercrombie, Fitzpatrick and McGarvey were also glad, for they shared the same allegiance as Albert Kidd, who had done the job 100 miles away to the north east.

Then Kidd (yes, Albert) did it again! A brilliant goal this time! Love Street erupted, so did Easter Road and the miniscule Dundee home support at Dens Park . Ibrox went quiet and Hearts fans slumped over their crush barriers as one or two idiots ran on to the field to try to get the game stopped. Fortunately there were only one or two, and the police cleared them away.

Full time came at Dens a minute or so before it did at Love Street . Thus were Celtic, in their horrible lime green strip, the Champions of Scotland at the eleventh hour.

Albert Kidd disappeared from the game soon afterwards (moving to Australia), but will remain a Celtic hero. It was almost as if Destiny kept him for that purpose and for no other.

For Hearts there was more agony. They lost the Scottish Cup Final next week as well. No-one should ever be jealous of Hearts, we decided. We were even magnanimous to them, but it served them right for singing Rangers songs and all that nonsense of “Weegie scum” and “hunting in dustbins for something to eat”.

But Celtic, well, they were the Champions. Forgiven were all the poor games this year, saved was the Manager’s job of Davie Hay (temporarily at least) and raised were the fingers as we drove past Ibrox that night.

We made it,but oh how late it was,how late!


We were champions again,at last. Four long years since we last savoured that feeling,and we were going into a World Cup summer with a spring in our step. Bloody marvellous. All those defeats we had snatched from the jaws of victory,but once again we had done it the other way round. Oh,it was good to be a Tim!


Above article by BMCUWP. If you would like to contribute an article,we will happily publish it. Mail it to Mahe

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OnlyUberTimWithoutInsideTangibleSouthstand hMmm

?? guessing there’s little to argue against with your excellent detailed work Mr BMCUW !!!

Good read as always.

Let me go back and find things to disagree with…(impudent 80s bhoy versus ye ole fellas of the time that taught us everything we know………)

Tommy Burns being played out of position??

Genuine question- could we have fared better in Europe without the short sightedness?

Noel Skytrot

Nice warm memories flooding back of an absolute brilliant day for every supporter of the club. The football we played that day at Love St was the prime example of how Celtic play football. We absolutely steamrollered the Saints. I’ll never forget the sheer joy running onto the pitch after the final whistle in celebration with my friends and fellow fans. I was 15 years old and was too young to attend the 4-2 decider against the deceased club, but I now had a similar experience to what others had. The team were relentless that day, a tide of green going forward, Tommy Burns and Danny McGrain were on a different plateau that day along with many others. To this day I call my brother in law Graeme- Albert, he’s a Dundee fan and he always wondered why I gave him this very English sounding name, my reply was simply, if you know yer history, because this man aided in creating another magical part to ours. PS, Judas is still a wanker.

OnlyUberTimWithoutInsideTangibleSouthstand hMmm

Aye,the football at Love St was fandabbydozy.

Question is, and perhaps the whole point, where is today’s investment in the playing squad, or ffs, are you happy with being an also-ran??

OnlyUberTimWithoutInsideTangibleSouthstand hMmm

Meh. I give up. We’re fucked. Not going to change. Welcome to capitalism.

UBER,NOELSKYTROT

Some of our football in those three fallow years had been scintillating,for instance against Sporting Lisbon and Rapid Vienna,but our inconsistency,lack of spend,and a bloody awful defence on too many occasions meant that we won next to nothing.

I’d had so many boots in the bollocks by the time May 3rd came around that I didn’t go. More fool me,I missed the best performance of the lot!

UBER

Tommy Burns frequently at left back,Peter Grant deputising at right back. Honestly,you could see bigger squads at The Daily Express Five-a-Side tournament.

A thing of beauty

Thanks for the article bmcuwp and the reminder of how you never took me to that game. It’s not that I’m bitter, just that every time I think of it I want to punch you straight in the face!!
I see the Huns have issued a statement today. I am not a computer savvy person but a picture of red faced person, furiously shaking their head with their fingers in their ears would cover it no problem. There’s something very dangerous about king and his continuous lying. Why it doesn’t get challenged reflects very poorly on the standard of main stream journalism in this country.

ATHINGOFBEAUTY

Ah come on,that’s got to be way down the list of things you could punch me in the face for. See you on Saturday,hope you had a nice day on Monday.

Sol Kitts

I was working in the Auld Toll pub in Edinburgh on the last day of the season. This was a Jambos pub, and the weeks leading up to the final game were fascinating. 3 weeks to go, and the Hearts fans were glorying in the likelihood of their first title in decades. 2 weeks to go, and their nerves were starting to jangle. They knew I was a Celtic fan, and I knew how to keep them worrying. On the day of the match, I started work at 5pm, so was driving to work with the radio on, hoping for that miracle. Stopped at traffic lights, windows down (it was sunny), and Dundee scored. The bloke in the car next to mine nearly jumped out of his skin when he heard the roar from me. When the 2nd goal went in, I knew I was going to really enjoy my work that night. The evening had gone from one that I was dreading to one that I couldn’t wait for.
The Hearts fans started coming in around 5.30pm, some in tears, all in shock at what had just happened. I decided what they needed was sympathy, empathy, comforting……aye right. As they mourned their loss, I gloried in our victory. They took it all in good part, but they were hurting. Lovely!
My favourite memory of the night was binning the pile of discarded scarfs with “Heart of Midlothian, Scottish League Champions 1985-86” on them.
A week later, I was working again and saw the same fans as their team lost the Cup final. Their pre-match demeanour was so different from the week before. They left for Hampden looking like they were about to be mugged, and came back looking like they had been. One of them asked me to bin his scarf, “Heart of Midlothian, Double winners 1985-86”. He was less than happy when I explained to him that he should have got rid a week ago……..still binned it though. ??

JimmynotPaul

Great article and many, many fond memories of a wonderful day.
I always find it difficult to decide whether that game, or 4.2 ten men won the league is my favourite game, I’ve attended.
Thanks for puting up David Potter version of events. He writes well, but! the bit about the horrible line green strip, seems so unnecessary and out of place for such a brilliant day in our history. We’ve had a few worse strips than that one, in my opinion.
Anyway a day never to be forgotten.

JIMMYNOTPAUL

Worst ever change strip? Well we’ve had well over thirty already this century and a few of them have been bowfin’. But we had some real dross in the 90s and for me,it’s a toss-up between 91-92 and 94-95

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Scottish_Football_League/Celtic/Celtic-change-kits.html

SOLKITTS

You’ll also have warm memories of our 3-0 defeat at Ibrox that season!

Sol Kitts

BMCUWP
How did we get away with that? You, me and CCB behind the goal, at the wrong bloody end! In hindsight, maybe we were lucky we didn’t score, given your propensity for inappropriate cheering (penalty, ref )?. At least we could put it down to youthful stupidness, your dad though……….

JimmynotPaul

BMCUW.
The 4.4 each we had Willie McStay sent off after about 30 mins, so when Murdo scored his fab equaliser we were delighted.
That was another day where it lashed of rain all day.
A wee story from that day, I was in the pub and was intendiing to put a bet on K.Battery to win the Lincoln, I didn’t have a ticket, for the game , hadn’t came out the ballot, then the supporters bus offered us two spare, it was easier to get tickets back then.
We jumped at the offered i said to my buddy, we will find that wee bookies at Ibrox and I will put on my bet on K.Battery.
We stoat about Ibrox , in the pouring rain, and find the bookies ( may have been a wee independent McAllisters? No internet betting in those days.
Anyway it was shut, closed down. There was not any safe other bookie to go to and time was running out for k.o.
Stuff it , head to the game, the game itself was full of mixed emotions but we were ultimately delighted when Murdo scored a screamer with 10 men to make it 4.4
Back on the supporters bus , Radio Scotland on the radio, sports headlines, the last article and K.Battery wins the Lincoln at 25/1.
Oh man, that was not what I wanted to here, and I went on and on about my misfortune, as mates do,they were pi$$ing themselves laughing and taken the mikey out of me.
We go back to the pub and one of my mates says I need to go to the shop for ciggies. I didn’t think anything of it.
Later, I go to the toilet, I come back and go what’s that in my pint?
It was a bloody battery with the letter K taped on to it. Cue uproar and much hilarity in the pub, that’s why my friend had gone to the shop, to buy tape and batteries.
Anyway what could I do, but take it on the chin and laugh with them.
A day never to be forgotten.???

JimmynotPaul

BMCUW.
Has to be 91/92 one, for me
Truly awful

Monti

WE ARE ALL ALBERT KIDD!
HH

JIMMYNOTPAUL

Remember when The Derby was run on a Wednesday? Well,in 1991 I lived not too far from there,but didn’t really fancy going there. Bit posh for my liking. But I’d been telling everyone I knew-and a few I didn’t know!-that I really fancied Generous in the race (and was planning my first three figure bet,but I didn’t mention that)

I had a slightly longer sales deal than planned,barely made it to the nearest bookies in time for the off. It was near Holborn,I only had £20 on me and believe me,cash machines weren’t that plentiful back then!

I put the score on and dashed out to find a cash machine,I might still get back in time!!!

Naw,couldnae find one-and I’ve still never seen the race. It won at 9-1,and £200 in those days wasn’t to be sniffed at.

As an aside,it was sired by Caerleon,the last great horse of the Sangster-O’Brien combination-the duo who first spotted the Northern Dancer breeding connection.

Aye,we’ve all got hard luck stories from the horses,I suppose. Strangely,they are usually about winners,or on occasion,a ridiculously unlucky loser. We keep quiet about the usual stuff-you know,the dross!!!

MONTI

Indeed. A hero to the troops,and I hope he has never bought a beer in the company of a Celtic supporter since.

Where you been hiding? You’ve even been quiet on e-Tims. It’s not your annual fortnight at Portobello,is it?

You still on for 21/9?

Awe Naw

Intrigued to hear Lenny’s line up tonight especially up front

Sol Kitts

BMCUWP
2009 Grand National. I was reffing a match that day and said to Mrs Kitts that I would put my match fee on the horse she picked in her work sweepstake. She couldn’t remember it’s name, she’d left the ticket at work, so I kept my £50. Monday morning she called to tell me she had won the sweepstake as her horse, Mon Mome, had won. £40 she won, and was delighted till I told her that if she’d remembered the name we would have won £5000 – the bloody nag romped home a 100-1.

SOLKITTS

Aye,not half. There’s one for the bucket list,folks. Eight rows from the front,right behind the goal in Copeland Road Stand. Best tickets the supporters bus we went up on had. Tell you,it’s a must.

SOLKITTS headed back to his idyllic life in Edinburgh afterwards,my Dad and I had to face another tortuous 90 minutes. The bus back to Stevenston!

Sod that,we got off at Barrhead-Arthurlie Arms-and got a run back on a Celtic bus that had stopped at The Flying Horse.

Tell that to kids nowadays…

SOLKITTS

Blinkin’ flip! I’d have strangled her!!!

Still,that’s what you get for marrying a blonde…

Monti

Bobby,
I’ll be there m8

Awe Naw

RANGERS would like to reassure supporters that matters concerning the litigation currently being brought against it by SDI Retail Services Limited are not as reported.

Rangers was disappointed by the terms of the recent court Judgment but respects the decision of the court and will meet any financial award made by the court.

No such award has yet been decided and at this stage Rangers does not even know how much will be sought. Contrary to some reports, the Judge has not determined that the contractual cap on damages will not apply.

Rangers would also like to reassure supporters that no steps have been taken to stop supporters being able to buy this Season’s Replica Kits.

################ MEANWHILE ON PLANET EXACTITTUDIA ######################################

91.The cases show that although the interests of third parties may be a factor to be taken into account, they are not a bar to relief: see Araci (above) and Ernst & Young Nominees v Kiwi Property [2003] 3 NZLR 103. It is noteworthy that in the present case Teare J made an injunction against Rangers which ordered it not to perform the Elite Agreement, and noted that Rangers had entered into that agreement without giving any notice of its intention to do so and with its eyes open. Naughty fucking scumbags there will be Teares

92. If relevant, I am satisfied that damages are not an adequate remedy for Rangers’ breaches. SDIR’s losses are likely to be in the order of many millions of pounds. Rangers has pleaded in §42A AmPoDCC that it will rely upon clause 16.3 of the Non-Exclusive Rights Agreement to limit its damages to £1,000,000. I accept SDIR’s submission that it would be unjust to deprive SDIR of the benefit of its matching right provisions.

93.Rangers has placed considerable reliance upon the losses that Elite will suffer if injunctive relief is granted. These are the same arguments that were run before Teare J in relation to the Elite Agreement. Teare J rejected them. Although I have had more evidence about the potential losses that Elite would suffer in the event that I were to grant the injunction this does not alter the fact that the Elite/Hummel Agreement was entered into in breach of the Agreement. As Teare J said at [60] of the October 2018 Judgment:-“… There is a risk that damages may not be an adequate remedy having regard to the cap on damages and the exclusion of consequential losses. But more significantly, in my judgment, this is not a case where it can be said that the grant would be out of all proportion to the requirements of Judgment Approved by the court for handing down Lionel Persey QC SDIR v Rangers the case or that the order would operate with extreme (or any) harshness on Rangers. It will be exposed to a claim by Elite but that is because of action taken by Rangers with its eyes open to the risk, as the indemnity provisions of the Elite Agreement make clear…”Similar considerations apply in the present case

.94. Rangers assert that an injunction should not be granted because:-

(1)It will lose significant revenues and will be exposed to claims for damages from Elite.

(2)The club, players and fans will be unable secure kit and other products; and

(3)Rangers’ ability to function as a football club will be impaired.

95.As to the first point, I am not satisfied that Rangers will lose significant revenues. It has already received the revenues due in respect of the 2018/2019 season and, given the limited nature of the injunctive relief now sought, will likely receive those due from Elite in the 2019/2020 season. It will also be entitled to receive revenues from SDIR in respect of the 2020/2021 season.In any event the potential loss of revenues and exposure to claims from Elite are both ordinary and natural consequences of Rangers’ breaches of the Agreement. As to the second point, the limited nature of the injunctive relief now sought means the supply of kit and other products will not be interrupted for the forthcoming season. There is in my judgment no sensible risk that fans will be deprived of the opportunity to spend their hard-earned money on purchasing the forthcoming season’s kit. Nor do I consider that there is any risk that Rangers’ ability to function as a football club will be impaired.

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So SDI will get the money from Rangers anyway via Elite for all the SDI boycotted produce via the courts -FUCKING BRILLIANT

Sol Kitts

AWE NAW
They’re right in one respect – “matters concerning the litigation currently being brought against it by SDI Retail Services Limited are not as reported.” They’re much, much worse than the tame MSM dressed it up as.

Awe Naw

Sol KItts,

I think the verdict is couched in language that will allow both parties to come to an amicable agreement as it always has to be.

Clearly Jabba`s interpretation and not Blairs

Keep buying that official produce you dumb ass huns as that´s our damages kitty .. lovely

MONTI

Good lad!

HH

AWENAW

I was laughing so much from reading your appraisal of the court proceedings that I didn’t realise that it hadn’t been AWENAWED!!!

Nearly as funny as their attempt at a rebuttal. Maybe they now realise why Ashley made sure the contract was signed under English jurisdiction-where laws do actually apply to them.

And maybe also they realise that they have a bigger problem. That with this judgement against them,the wider business community is ever more aware that they are toxic. Not to be trusted.

The cost of any future loans will rise accordingly as a result. And that might just cause some difficulty.

Dubaibhoy

I was living in Edinburgh at the time and had a shift to put in at the Caley Hotel, so had to leave pretty swiftish after the game. Took the first special to Central and had to hoof it to Queen St to get the train to Embra. Anyway as I made my way across town a trainload of huns had just got off at Buchanan St and bedlam ensued. Made it to the train and as the Jam Tarts had an open-topped bus celebration planned, we ended up hosting them in the Caley that night. John Robertson in tears. I had a great night.

Awe Naw

BMCUWP,

I am pretty convinced that Ibrox has since 2012 NB not 2015, been a money laundering operation for certain individuals from Asia.

I don´t buy that Douglas park has ploughed 12 million of his own money into it without anything in return.

The five Criminal entities that make up the 8% of the share holding that allowed TOP to allow King to continue,

Was of course completely ignored by The SFA, THE SPFL, Police Scotland was highly revealing.

AWENAW

Long been of the same opinion. I mentioned as much to AULDHEID yesterday.

I gather you enjoyed the oul’ chicken and chips at the Biergarten yesterday. Were the breasts delicious?

OnlyUberTimWithoutInsideTangibleSouthstand hMmm

All this talk of horses, Deidco, and Hearts FC, and financial problems and us missing a right back has had one man’s name screaming at me for for hours.

Big Davie MacPherson.

We need a right back, and this classic giant donkey never failed to deliver.

Will never forget his (televised) romp down the wing to put one personally passed his former hun employers circa 1994.

Get him signed Disco Pete. It’s not too late.

Wait. Or Is it? Damm? That’s okay. So far, the strategy has given us nothing but a successful CL campaign, so why change it? (other channel genius football debate….)

Awe Naw

BMCUWP,

It was great I love that these days .. leaving work early in the sun and heading to my local which has a biergarten. Last night the wife couldn´t handle the heat so we got up and left after three biers. Slept wonderfully and punctually up for work

DUBAIBHOY

Pity that you and SOLKITTS hadn’t met by then. You could have had a rare old time!

I used to meet him in The Haymarket to go to the matches when we played Hearts. Just before Christmas 84,we met up along with our Hearts-supporting mates. Which obviously we had,or we wouldn’t have got in,or been allowed out alive!

Anyway,we were on a decent run of form,but our mates were confident-and they outnumbered us! I hate arguing when I’ve got limited time before kick off,so I said to big Ivan-give you a pint on the result and a pint for the margin. You win 3-1,I owe you three pints. We win 1-0,you owe me two.

He thought about that for a bit while we got on with the case in hand-beer!-and said,aye,I’ll take that bet!

Bloody hell,so did four of his mates!!!

McClair scored a hattrick and we left at 5-0 with me wondering whether I could still do 30 pints after an afternoon session.

Wee Hughie behind the bar told us when we walked in that Willie Johnson pulled one back late on,I went-f..k,that’s cost me five pints!

SOLKITTS immediately replied-might have saved your liver though!

Mike in Toronto

Posted this last night for the SC ornithology crowd, but with the time difference and all, few probably saw it, so posting it again

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/one-of-the-best-bird-photos-of-the-year-shows-an-eagle-and-a-fox-fighting-over-a-rabbit-in-mid-air/ar-AAEKiGR?li=AAggFp4

AWENAW

I know how she feels. Think I managed about two hours yesterday.

Very spectacular thunderstorm overnight has taken the melt off things today. Not seen one like that for a good while,it was like daylight with John Bonham on drums!

Never been so happy to work in the rain. Which was torrential for about two hours,btw.

Our North American correspondents will be on shortly to remind me that they get that much worse and all the time.

And complain about it,the Philistines!

Awe Naw

Celtic v Nomme Kalju: Predicted Hoops lineup as Jack Hendry and Leigh Griffiths look to start
By Mark Colin Hendry @mhendry92
Multimedia Reporter
Celtic v Nomme Kalju: Predicted Hoops lineup as Jack Hendry and Leigh Griffiths look to start

Celtic host Nomme Kalju this evening in their second-round Champions League qualifier – and the starting XI remains a mystery.

Hoops boss Neil Lennon hasn’t tweaked his starters too much so far and made just one change to the team over two legs against Sarajevo.

Mikey Johnston started the first game but missed out in the second due to injury – with Lewis Morgan taking his chance at Parkhead and earning praise from his manager.

Nir Bitton has also started both previous games at centre-back, but Jack Hendry is approaching fitness and Neil Lennon wants to give him a run out this evening.

“It´s also time that Craig Daniel sorry Craig and Daniel saw some sunshine” joked Lennon

“As you probably read this week Calum is the most played player in the world so we will give him a rest and give Oliver a wee run out to stretch his legs” stated Lennon

Here is our predicted lineup for Celtic in tonight’s Nomme Kalju clash.

Gordon, Ajer, Jack, Simunovic, Bolingoli, Forrest, Brown, Ntcham, Christie, Griffiths, Edouard.
Subs: Arzani, Ralston,Henderson, McGregor, Bain

Celts know they’ll need a strong start in their quest to take a big lead into next week’s second-leg.

In Leigh Griffiths they know there are goals but Edouard – by Griff’s own admission – has been playing too well to be ousted by the Scot.

That’s why the Hoops may decide to go with two up-front and Oliver Ntcham anchoring the midfield alongside skipper Scott Brown.

Lewis Morgan, after impressing against the Bosnians, will feel hard done by with Daniel Arzani taking his place on the substitutes bench

Kris Ajer looks certain to continue deputising at right-back as Hatem Abd Elhamed is yet to sign on the dotted line.

Goalkeeper Craig Gordon told Celtic View today that he is delighted to finally reclaim his number one spot.

MIKEINTORONTO

Glad you reminded me,I meant to repost this.

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Auldheid
Mike in Toronto at 4 39

I think Celtic need a fundamental review of their policy in regard to the relationship with any form of Rangers purely from a business angle.

The risks of their being no “Rangers” are that their absence will cost Celtic but how much? Where did PL get his oft quoted £10M and was that a one of or annually?

Whatever the cost, the benefit from qualifying for the CL every year is two fold.

a) when we do qualify it earns more than £10M if we reach Group stages
b) If we don’t reach Group stages we still deny “Rangers” access to the CL money that would reward their otherwise unsustainable spend.

One of the outcomes of Res12, unless it can be disproved, is that the UEFA Licensing process as conducted by the SFA is as dependable as a chocolate teapot is as a vessel for pouring tea.

It is not just 2011 that SFA turned a Nelsons eye. Going back to 2000 there has been a requirement in UEFA rules that the accounts a club presents to their national association to obtain a licence are a “fair presentation” of their income and expenditure. Now in the Giannina case in 2013 which is very similar to what happened in 2011 in terms of overdue tax payable, the UEFA CFCB found 5 private agreements with employees which they deemed breached UEFA “fair presentation” rules. There is no detail on the nature of those private agreement but from a labelling aspect that is what side letters constituted, so it is possible Celtic lost an opportunity to access CL money whilst “Rangers” got it in 2003, 2005, 2009, 2010 and also 2011. At the very least questions should be asked in order to inform whether benefits equal or exceed costs. Think of the money spent by Celtic during that ebt period to no benefit in 5 of the ten years.

On overdue tax there is another cost to Celtic factor. Although a payable is not overdue if it is in dispute as the BTC liability was from 2008, nevertheless the rules required Rangers to supply the SFA and so UEFA with a list of players whose tax due was under dispute. Was that done from 2008 and if it was, why did SFA not ask questions about the basis HMRC were seeking payment, ie side letters from 2008? If it wasn’t no licence should have been granted.

So what exactly has been the cost to Celtic of 10 years of tax cheating based on what we failed to earn as a result and what “Rangers” did benefit from to our cost?

What assurances do shareholders have that the licensing process as managed by the SFA is fit for purpose when it can easily be circumvented when the cops and robbers are related?

What steps have Celtic taken to ensure that the UEFA Licensing process is being conducted properly by the SFA as UEFA intended? Surely they have a duty to pursue answers and report to shareholders?

Awe Naw

Looks like we still have a leak should the cleaner be reinstated ?

OnlyUberTimWithoutInsideTangibleSouthstand hMmm

Excuse my, er, Celtic hating behaviour, but do we have still have that hun in charge of Celtic security?

Has the SEC let him anywhere near them for ye ole festival, or have they told him to f off? ? Could be a few fenian collars felt tonight to make someone feel important.

Just asking.

3-0 this evening. 2 assists from Leigh Skywalker, and a sneaky wee peach from young Callum. Geez the odds on that, yon booky bastards……

[Scuttles down to William Hills with last 50 squid]

bada bing1

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JimmynotPaul

MIT 12.17
Great stuff, thanks.

Mike in Toronto

JNP

You are most welcome. Glad you enjoyed it.

I recall the day well, I was stuck up the mountains ten miles inland from Kirriemuir, tree planting, didn’t know the result till we got back to our accommodation, a caravan, quick wash and into town to celebrate, didn’t expect to win the league, a very pleasant surprise.

bada bing1
weefra

Afternoon all, had to have the car in Peter Vardys in Motherwell for 8.00 this morning for its 3rd recall. Bloody nuisance. Collect sometime app. 4.00 pm. Just read on twitter that Bojo is the first baptised RC to hold the position of PM of the UK. Can anyone on here confirm or trash this statement?

Awe Naw

Boris Johnson has entertained many religions. He was baptized as a Catholic when he was a new born. The subsequent religions he has believed in he has entered into through his own volition. Opportunities some might say. Does that sound familiar?

weefra

Awe naw, thanks for that, so he is the first. I wonder what the DUP will make of that then.

weefra

Awe naw, excuse my ignorance, I hope you are well buddy and enjoying the heatwave. Decided to go commando earlier, disnae half keep the midges away. ?????????

bada bing1

Anywhere in Santander to watch the game? Asking for a friend..

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