Enough. Lawwell Has To Go!

Morning,all.

Traditionally on here,we review the weekend match on a Monday morning. But this weekend,the big news from our club hasn’t been about our excellent performance in midweek against Lazio,nor even about is blowing away Aberdeen in a vital away match in the frozen north.

Rather,it was about the most important day in any PLC,that is to say the AGM. News about its timing was released,not with a flourish and a fanfare,but leaked out on a Friday night,the traditional time for burying bad news,slipping under the radar,etc.

So why the subterfuge,you might ask? The financial results weren’t too bad-albeit I have serious misgivings about the scale of our wage expenditure which has never been explained. Onfield,we are looking pretty promising too. Could it be something to do with Res 12?

You better believe it. And you better believe that these bastards are going to bury it forever at the AGM.

Here’s the quote…

“The Board does not consider it to be in the best interests of the Company to take the steps proposed by the resolution. The Board recommends that you vote against this resolution.”

That’s right. They’ve railroaded the entire situation and are now asking for shareholder approval to bin it entirely. They will get it due to block votes,of course.

November 27 will go down in our history as a black day,one without comparison. A day when the people who own our club finally admit that they have been complicit and uncomplaining parties to a conspiracy to defraud us all.

Some of us won’t be surprised,but the board will be expecting more to not care much. Or for long. Meanwhile,our Four Musketeers have seen six years of incredible efforts and considerable expense flushed down the pan by people they trusted,people who told them to find the silver bullet and they would fire it. People who clearly had no intention-EVER!- of doing so.

They can slap themselves on the back for a job well done,the lying mendacious bastards.

I’ve just read an article in The Guardian about the signing by West Ham United of Mascherano and Tevez in 2006.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/25/west-ham-carlos-tevez-javier-mascherano-sheffield-united-premier-league

West Ham escaped relegation by a whisker that year,and the Argentinian pair could hardly be accused of enhancing their reputation during their time there. A pair of duds in the East End of London,though each would redeem their reputations at bigger clubs. Nevertheless,Sheffield United felt sufficiently hard done by to pursue their case through legal and football courts. The latter fined West Ham £5.5m and the legal matter was settled out of court for £20m.

It has taken Sheffield United till now to return to The English Premier League,a place from where they had reason to believe they were unfairly banished. But at no time could any of their fans have accused their board of cowardice or complicity.

I wish I had a board like that at Celtic Park,but I don’t. And they don’t care,a fact shown by their craven approach to Res 12. They don’t care a jot,they know that the seats will be filled. A few people will chuck it,most will swallow it. Most,in fact,will be blissfully unaware. And uncaring.

That’s where we are now. Time was,the refrain from The Jungle “We’re Celtic Supporters,Faithful Through And Through” made your blood rush. Now? We’re Corporate Celtic PLC,no attempt to hide it,and it makes my blood curdle.

The vote against Res 12 will pass,there is little doubt about it. Lingering resentment from the few who care will largely also pass. Some will never forgive,and believe me I know where they are coming from. Meanwhile,the huns and the SFA got away with it and we now know that our board are fine with that. In fact,it all leads to the suspicion that they were in on it from the start.

There’s a happy Monday for you.

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Bobby
Good morning. It’s not really though is it? A good morning I mean.
I can appreciate what I suspect will have been a combination of sadness and anger when you were penning that article.

One can draw no other conclusion than Celtic plc were indeed complicit in this. I think the clever money was always on this being the case, but there was always a glimmer of hope that based on the “silver bullet” comment from Lawwell that they were playing the long game for the correct reasons. Alas, it was for all the wrong reasons.

This morning feels akin to discovering that the mystery of my money that kept gone missing from my wallet, was no longer a mystery. This morning it feels as though I’ve discovered the thief was a family member.

That hurts a whole lot more. Adds to the despair. The lies. The deceit.

This wasn’t a crime committed on the spur of the moment. A rash moment borne out of desperation. This deception has been carried out over 6 years or so.

Over that time period, increasingly it looked as though it might be that one or more of our own were involved. Were hiding something. Were hoping it would all just go away, but still they were afforded the benefit of the doubt.

Why?

That’s what you do with family. Make allowances. Let your judgement be clouded. Deep down though, that gnawing in your stomach is telling you the truth, and hidden ( not very well hidden I’m sure you’ll agree) in that statement from Celtic is the evidence you’d hoped you were wrong about.

Sometimes one just has to accept the fact that one of the family is a wrong un’.

As you say, he needs to go. He won’t though.

Sad sad days.

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The only minor consolation that I can take from it is that maybe Lawwell wants Res 12 binned once and for all prior to his retirement,that he doesn’t want it hanging over him like The Sword of Damocles after he has gone.

Betrayal by your own,as you say.

Dharma Bam

Great article – it means in all likelihood I won’t be taking my 10 yr old son to Celtic games ever. I’ll be explaining to him and to his older sister why is I think Scottish football is corrupt and run for profit, at the expense of ethics and by ignoring or circumventing association rules and legalities.
As part of that, I think the ordinary fan is treated like a mug and treats like one. I went on the Celtic park tour earlier this year and I was at Celtic Park when Billy McNeill’s cortege passed in May. I was disappointed by the poor state of the toilets and by how cheap and how old it all looked. That included the boardroom and the dressing room. there were foreign visitors there and I was embarrassed thinking of the impression of Celtic they must have received.
I’m sure we’re told we’re a world class club – my impression is that braehead shopping centre’s facilities were a better standard than what we encountered at Celtic Park.
So, thats a family of supporters removed. We’ll still identify as Celtic supporters but we’re definitely not consumers. I’ll support Celtic FC but I won’t be ‘evangelising’. The pursuit of mammon has reduced the value of Celtic to me and my immediate family.

big packy

MORNING ALL bobby, great article as always, and every word true, our board are a bunch of tory bassas, instead of talking about a great victory yesterday, we are talking about them bassas, I feel so sorry for the resolution 12 ghuys, they put their heart and soul into it only to be kicked in the face, and just read dharma bams post, how sad he is not taking his young son to parkhead and who can blame him, so very sad.hh

m6bhoy

Assuming the block vote will prevail over Res 12, 27 November 2019 will be the the date that Celtic FC died in my eyes. We always knew that cheating and corruption existed inside Ibrox and Hampden. Now we know for certain, it also exists inside the boardroom at Celtic Park. I simply can’t understand how we can condemn our enemies abroad yet continue to support the enemy within by emptying substantial amounts of our hard earned income into their bank accounts. I have two sons, now grown up, to whom I passed on the Joy of Celtic, just as my dad passed it onto me. Had I know then what I know now, I wouldn’t have.

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Good to hear from you again,mate. Re GFTB,I think he just gets carried away with himself when he’s on CQN. I’ve met him a few times,and there’s no harm in him. Misguided perhaps in some of his opinions,but then,so can we all be.

One thing for sure,he is certainly misguided in his support of the board-but of course,that is only my opinion! I really don’t envy you the problem of trying to explain to your son why he won’t be going to matches anytime soon,and I admire your stance on it.

It’s a really difficult one though. My Dad is a notorious happyclapper and he honestly doesn’t get my disdain and contempt of our board and how it runs our club. Slowly but surely he is beginning to understand,but there’s little chance of him changing now. Nor would I want him to. But I’d put money on him being absolutely disgusted at recent events. Like most of us,he knows wrong when he sees it.

My point? Well,that it’s a real shame that your lad won’t be going to see our team for a while. And I’d love to say to you that you should just hold your nose. But I’ll bet he too knows wrong when he sees it,and an explanation will do. He’s a bit young to have the whole cynicism of all this explained to him,but knowing early on what our board are will do him no harm in the long term.

Good luck with it,they have put you in a terrible place.

HH

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BIGPACKY

An absolute disgrace,but no real surprise. The charlatans have simply bided their time. I occasionally get told stuff which isn’t for the blog,and I was told over a year ago that this was the likely outcome,and that from as near to the horse’s mouth as you can get. I hoped they wouldn’t have the gall to do it themselves,that we could blame an SFA-led inquiry for finding no fault.

They probably hoped that themselves! But in the end,with no outside help forthcoming,they applied the knife themselves.

No shame,because they don’t care.

Auldheid

BMCUP

Some clarification needed. Celtic have not opposed an investigation, they want to keep matters within the SFA Judicial process.

The following copied from an evening CQN post hopefully clarifies the position. The add on at end is from last years AGM.

It should add some clarity as to where matters stand (courtesy of BRTH.)

The position is really very simply summarised as follows;

1. Resolution 12 always sought to put the entire matter of the licence grant and the monitoring of the licensing process into the hands of UEFA for investigation and whatever action was then deemed necessary.

2. Celtic resisted the notion on the basis that they were already in contact with the SFA in connection with the same subject matter. They agreed the merits were worth investigating and that there should be some form of enquiry which provided answers to some fundamental question.

3. At the same time Peter Lawwell understandably also stressed that Celtic had a duty to Scottish Football and Scottish Club which merited giving the SFA, as opposed to UEFA, the chance to investigate and provide answers.

4. For those reasons we went along with the approach to the SFA.

5. However, at the same time we sought independent legal advice on documentation and information which was coming our way. We shared that with Celtic who, for legal and political reasons, could not act on that information especially while there were other legal proceedings pending – especially criminal proceedings.

6. Accordingly, we as shareholders and part owners of a member club wrote separately to both UEFA and the SFA in relation to procedures and information which gave us concern.

7. Both the SFA and UEFA were reluctant to deal with anyone other than the member club but both entered into correspondence to a limited extent with the SFA saying that they would co-operate with and respond to an UEFA instigated enquiry, and UEFA saying that they could only take matters forward on a formal basis if the issues raised were referred to them by the SFA or by a member club. At that stage they invited Celtic to make a formal referral. Celtic, however, felt they could not do so because they had already referred the matter to the SFA who were still working on it.

8. It should be noted that at no time did Celtic, the SFA or UEFA come back to us and said that our information was wrong or that there was nothing to explore or investigate. THAT REMAINS THE POSITION TO THIS DAY.

9. Following upon the conclusion of the Big Tax Case in the Supreme Court and the criminal trial of Craig Whyte, some, but not necessarily all, of the information which we had been discussing for the previous four years became matters of public record.

10. At the conclusion of the trial Stewart Reagan commented that it would appear that the SFA had been misled in relation to material aspects of the licensing process as we had originally alleged.

11. Celtic and the SPFL both called for an open enquiry into the events of 1999 – 2012 – basically the years covered by the big tax case and the wee tax case and this would have covered football compliance issues including the licensing processes during those years.

12. The SFA rejected that call and instead chose to instigate their own inquiry into the licensing applications and procedures of 2011/2012 and via Tony McGlennan they wrote to every club in Scotland to explain that such an inquiry was being conducted.

13. The conclusion of that inquiry was that disciplinary proceedings should be brought against RFC alleging breaches of both UEFA and SFA rules in connection with the 2011/2012 licensing process.

14. Those charges were tabled and ordered to be heard by an independent judicial panel.

15. RFC (the current club) took a preliminary objection to those charges at a hearing of the Independent Judicial Panel and argued that the SFA and any judicial panel did not have the legal jurisdiction or capacity to consider and determine those charges and argued that any such charges should be remitted to the Court of Arbitration for sport.

16. The Judicial Panel upheld that argument and remitted the case back to the SFA with the recommendation that they rethink the process and remit the matters concerned to CAS. This was June 2018 – some 16 months ago.

17. Since then, we as shareholders have repeatedly asked the current SFA compliance officer for clarification as to when these matters will be referred to CAS. Originally, we were assured by Michael Nicholson that the SFA were adamant that the charges were going to CAS but after months of inactivity the current CEO of the SFA changed that and advised that a decision about WHETHER OR NOT the charges would be sent to CAS would be made before Christmas 2019.

18. Celtic have since advised us that no other club in Scotland has any appetite for any of this and that they are simply not interested.

19. However, the Judicial Panel ruling means that, at least in relation to these issues, we have a situation where there has been a judicial ruling that the SFA are not fit to, and are not legally capable of, conducting proceedings designed to ensure that either SFA or UEFA rules were complied with. In other words the entire SFA compliance function in this process is at an end.

20. This has been determined without any reference to UEFA who appointed the SFA as the competent Licensing Authority for Scotland only to find that the SFA cannot enforce UEFA rules nor conduct any proceedings in relation to alleged breaches of UEFA rules.

21. There is a clear reluctance on the part of the SFA to remit this issue to CAS despite the fact that the SFA themselves decided to bring disciplinary charges after enquiry. If the SFA chose to do nothing then that will be a real slap in the face to UEFA but will be a complete abrogation of the function of a football and licensing authority.

22. At the outset of Resolution 12, Celtic asked us and everyone else to have faith in the SFA and their processes. That faith has been misguided. At the same time, Celtic, as a member club of UEFA were previously invited to formally refer the matter to UEFA but declined to do so and instead opted to allow the SFA to proceed with its process.

23. That process has now been deemed to be incompetent with no sign of the SFA following the ruling from the judicial panel.

24. In the circumstances, Celtic should refer the matter to UEFA in line with the original resolution in order to protect the integrity of the licensing process in Scotland, to protect UEFA and its rules, and to effectively follow through on the judicial process that the club, the SFA and, by tacit consent and open invitation, UEFA said was necessary.

It can also be added that at the last AGM the following points were made with a request for answers that have never been given.

Fourteen months after instigating an investigation the SFA are assuring Celtic shareholders via the club that something, but we don’t know what, will be referred to CAS but we don’t know why nor do we know when.

(A nod to Brendan for The League Cup final: The grass at Hampden will be longer than the grass at Tynecastle)

The assurances that something unclear will happen comes four months after that CAS referral decision was made and there still has been no referral.

It has been five months since June when the shareholders lawyer (at a cost of £2.5k on top of earlier bills amounting to £7.5k) put a series of questions along with supporting evidence to the SFA copied to Celtic to which no answers have as yet been given.

So the questions I have for The Celtic Board are:

1. Are Celtic actually bound by the SFA JPDT Decision to refer something to CAS and if so on what basis given that Andrea Traverso Head of UEFA Club Licensing in his letter of 8th June to Celtic shareholders said and I quote.

“It is not the general policy of UEFA to write directly to lawyers representing unidentified clients and if this is a matter a member club of the Scottish Football Association ( IE CELTIC ) wishes to take up with UEFA then the club should do so directly.”

Further: can it be explained to shareholders here in the room and at large why Celtic are not asking UEFA CFCB to investigate given:

1. Fundamentally it is a breach of UEFA rules that is under investigation, which is a job for UEFA – and what Res12 requested.

And

2. UEFA’s recent statement of 12 November (and again I quote)

“Should new information suggest that previously concluded cases have been abused, those cases may be capable of being re-opened as determined on a case-by-case basis.”

In summary:

• Why have Celtic from the beginning chosen to eschew direct UEFA involvement?

• Why are they not now taking the new information into account in respect of that choice and reviewing it?

• Given the time it has taken the SFA to decide that CAS should be involved (for unclear reasons) are Celtic willing to wait an undetermined period until the SFA are able to progress the matter or will it be all over by ST Renewal time next April?

• Would it be possible for shareholders representatives to meet the SFA Compliance Officer and CEO before Christmas to ascertain progress, to be able to provide assurances based on clarity to those they represent?

• Can we have answers to those questions confirmed in writing please to send to signatories of Resolution 12?

No answers have been received and there is nothing in Celtic’s response to the latest resolution to involve UEFA or police that answers the above questions.

There can only be two conclusions based on the foregoing, either Celtic are protecting the SFA by doing nothing for a year or are grossly negligent in their responsibility to address shareholders concerns.

So how is it in the Companies interest to rely on a process that is clearly inappropriate to address the matter in hand?

Auldheid, Thanks for posting that! I was a minute away from posting a link to your summary from yesterday on CQN. It’s very succinct.

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M6BHOY

I’m still genuinely shocked at how brazen they now are about it. The money men have outsmarted us,no mistake. That’s why the block vote will prevail over the wishes of other shareholders.

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AULDHEID

Thanks for that,mate. I didn’t say that the board opposed an investigation,merely that they want Res 12 dead and buried.

Although by leaving it to the SFA,and without the pressure that an active Res 12 would apply,that is effectively what they are aiming for.

Auldheid
With respect the fact that the club are happy to leave it up to the SFA, when they know fine well that the SFA will do SFA is akin to opposing any investigation, the club have been offered to take it to UEFA and CAS but have refused.
Again with respect you can try and spin that as the club are not opposed to an investigation but you know that is bollix, I know you do, you are far too intelligent not to.
Just to add, as the SFA are doing SFA, the club should be now taking up the offer to escalate this to CAS and UEFA yet they want it killed, that mi amigo is not the actions of a company/club who are not opposed to an investigation.
HH

The block vote at the AGM is corporate by nature. The smaller shareholders, many as they are, are supporters. But in the numbers game will be outvoted.

Auldheid

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Bobby

“This morning feels akin to discovering that the mystery of my money that kept gone missing from my wallet, was no longer a mystery. This morning it feels as though I’ve discovered the thief was a family member.
That hurts a whole lot more. Adds to the despair. The lies. The deceit.
This wasn’t a crime committed on the spur of the moment. A rash moment borne out of desperation. This deception has been carried out over 6 years or so.
Over that time period, increasingly it looked as though it might be that one or more of our own were involved. Were hiding something. Were hoping it would all just go away, but still they were afforded the benefit of the doubt.
Why?
That’s what you do with family. Make allowances. Let your judgement be clouded. Deep down though, that gnawing in your stomach is telling you the truth, and hidden ( not very well hidden I’m sure you’ll agree) in that statement from Celtic is the evidence you’d hoped you were wrong about. ”
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That is exactly what it was like, there was suspicion in 2013 when Celtic first responded Res12 wasn’t necessary but at least the adjournment seemed to open a door to a way forward.

Its a door that perhaps would have been kept shut if it wasn’t in the best interests of the Company to open it.

Auldheid

The Exiled Tim

Auldheid
With respect the fact that the club are happy to leave it up to the SFA, when they know fine well that the SFA will do SFA is akin to opposing any investigation, the club have been offered to take it to UEFA and CAS but have refused.
Again with respect you can try and spin that as the club are not opposed to an investigation but you know that is bollix, I know you do, you are far too intelligent not to.
Just to add, as the SFA are doing SFA, the club should be now taking up the offer to escalate this to CAS and UEFA yet they want it killed, that mi amigo is not the actions of a company/club who are not opposed to an investigation.
HH
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With respect I am not trying to spin anything, I’m clarifying where matters stand.

If you read the new Resolution to reinstate Res 12 it asks to take the investigation away from the SFA and give to UEFA or police which should tell you we know fine well what is going on.

If you read the final sentence it confirms no spin, quite the opposite.

From what I understand the initial investigation has already taken place by the SFA. That is not the problem. The problem is the SFA feel handicapped to do anything further because of the 5 way agreement. They could of course move forward regardless towards the CAS but that would open up a can of worms with catastrophic results for Scottish football.

Bring it ion I say.

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AULDHEID
Thanks for that,mate. I didn’t say that the board opposed an investigation,merely that they want Res 12 dead and buried.
Although by leaving it to the SFA,and without the pressure that an active Res 12 would apply,that is effectively what they are aiming for.
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Indeed that is how it looks and the question is why? Why as you point out is it not in the Company’s interest to take the issue away from the SFA?

But Celtic will argue they have not binned the matter entirely although their inaction since last AGM and opposition to taking investigation away from SFA suggests they have.

I was once told I was too fastidious but when you are dealing with slippery folk you have to be.

big packy

BOBBY im not on twitter

m6bhoy

https://sentinelcelts.com/2019/10/28/enough-lawwell-has-to-go/#comment-36948

I’m still genuinely shocked at how brazen they now are about it. The money men have outsmarted us,no mistake. That’s why the block vote will prevail over the wishes of other shareholders.
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BMCUWP
Can’t say I’m shocked at all. Tories do as Tories do and the Tories inside our boardroom are no different to the ones inside Johnson’s cabinet. None of them got where they are by being honest. Tories are the biggest crooks and cheats going but are very cute when it comes to keeping it just inside the law.

When Res 12 first emerged but looked doomed at the 2013 AGM, I was on the verge of packing in my lifelong support for my club. When the board asked the Res 12 guys to defer the resolution, I decided to put off this decision in the feint hope the board would pursue this in line with their duties to protect the interests of shareholders. Now they have effectively decided to kill Res 12, they have made my decision for me. I can no longer pretend I support a club when I know in my heart that it is complicit in the some of the biggest cheating and corruption known anywhere in football. Sadly, the rebels have not won on this occasion and this particular rebel will find something else to keep himself occupied on match days.

Big Audio Dynamite

Great stuff, Bobby. At a time when I should be dancing on the ceiling ( How good is this Celtic team), my feelings are closer to being in the gutter. When you feel like this about the thing you love with all your heart, it is soul destroying. I know my wee Bhoy is confused by all this and that makes me angry.

A few of observations.

1, Its being reported that the possession stats at Pittodrie ended nearly 50\50
2, The referee added 1min of injury time ..again! Even though I’m sure there were 6 subs second half(?)
3, Meanwhile at the debt dome, the officials added 7mins in total.
4, Thems getting the obligatory pen and offside goal (I admit I haven’t seen it ..do I need to?!) when struggling ..again!
5, May be my imagination, but does red card Ross run the line at Ibrox every time they play there?I
6, The pettiness of making Eddie’s goals og’s to try and keep his goal tally down

Just some of the things that are bugging me …I could go on and on. There isn’t even any attempt to hide the cheating now!

As for the Celtic board, they are just Masons and part of the same funny handshake fraternity as their counterparts @Ibrox and Hampdump… we are just walking cash machines to these cretins.

Those of us who care about this stuff are being placed in an almost impossible position here. We will only see a change in attitude from the majority of our fans when the forces of darkness start winning things again ..and they will! One min you are bouncing around celebrating a great win, the next min you are contemplating why you have any involvement in this charade!

Sick of this dictating my moods.

Auldheid
That’s not what I said, nor is it the point.
You said the club are not opposed to an investigation, I say they are, why else would they refuse to escalate it to UEFA and or CAS.
I know fine well that you know what is happening, maybes spin wasn’t the right word, I appologise for that.
HH

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BIGAUDIODYNAMITE

Sounds like you’re in the same position as DHARMABAM,see my reply above. Shocking situation for anyone to be in.

“Disappointingly, and presumably rather than accept that the investigation was a waste of all parties’ time and resources, the club has been served with a new revised Notice of Complaint relating to the monitoring period subsequent to the grant of the Uefa licence. This new Notice of Complaint neglects to properly capture the provisions of prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA.”

The “prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA” is my friends The Five Way Agreement. So if the SFA are incompetent to rule on this investigation they have to escalate it to the CAS. You would think?

But if the SFA don’t have the bottle who else could do it? Why Celtic of course!

And that is where we are with our beloved board. To quote Boris, they would rather die in a ditch.

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JIMTHETIM53

Speaking of Boris,I just received my latest update from Bloomberg re Brexit. Seems that the latest extension allows UK to leave before 31st of January if agreement is reached. Either on 31 Nov or 31 Dec. I’ll settle for the former,I reckon!

Thirty days has September…

Bobby, Ha Ha !

Auldheid

jimthetim53

From what I understand the initial investigation has already taken place by the SFA. That is not the problem. The problem is the SFA feel handicapped to do anything further because of the 5 way agreement. They could of course move forward regardless towards the CAS but that would open up a can of worms with catastrophic results for Scottish football.
Bring it ion I say.
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One of the issues that is covered in the questions posed at last AGM that was copied to SC is what exactly is being investigated?

We know RFC were accused of breach of SFA Articles but not when those breaches occurred.

TRFC claimed that end March period 2011 when licence was granted was excluded because accusations (by whom) were groundless. This is the period when if any fraud is involved it started.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44129307

and after challenging this with SFA via Res12 Legal Agent in June 2018 and asking for clarity from Celtic at AGM we still don’t know!

The Rangers response can be read at the link but it will be interesting to ascertain at the AGM if Celtic accept that

a) the period at end of March has properly been excluded having been provided with evidence that a payable and not a potential liability existed at 31 March 2011 and

b) are content that only the monitoring period is being covered as that removes shareholder locus (sanctions for breaching in the monitoring period fall into the next season) and

c) agree with Rangers statement that

” “It seems that Scottish Football is, once again, being directed by individuals intent on harming the Scottish game, Rangers Football Club and its supporters by pursuing a course that has no sensible purpose or reasonable prospect of success.”

Whatever way an investigation goes CAS/SFA/UEFA/Police it has to cover the whole licensing cycle, The attempt to remove March 2011 without any explanation is highly suspicious. Indeed it suggests SFA are trying more damage limitation and it is surprising they have not answered the Res12 lawyer letter of 25 June cc Celtic pointing out why calling accusations groundless was at odds with the evidence.

The devil as ever is in the detail.

30 November St. Andrew’s Day.
31 November St. Boris’ Day.

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St Boris Day is July 24th. Spookily close to July 23 when he became PM.

Auldheid

The Exiled Tim

Auldheid
That’s not what I said, nor is it the point.
You said the club are not opposed to an investigation, I say they are, why else would they refuse to escalate it to UEFA and or CAS.
I know fine well that you know what is happening, maybes spin wasn’t the right word, I appologise for that.
HH
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You can say all you like TET, they will say you are wrong because there is an investigation the SFA are responsible for and Celtic are waiting on it concluding.

I know it seems like splitting hairs but if you say something that can be challenged you offer the opportunity to be challenged and diverted or case dismissed, so language when engaging with the sharp suited chaps has to be as accurate as possible.

Yes Auldheid the investigation was stripped to the bare bones for damage limitation. Just like Nimmo Smith. That’s why I’d love to see it going to a court, whether CAS or Civil/criminal in London or even the Court of Session. Open the whole investigation up to include everything within the parameters of Res. 12. Not just what suits the SFA et. al.

(and made to provide proof of groundless allegations)

Bobby, you are pushing my profound belief in Christianity to the limit!

OnlyÜberTimtoBeOutnawedAndRenameD

Very good article , BMCUW.

Very well said.

I hate them with a passion – self-entitled tory bastards.

They know that the Celtic support is the best, most willing cash cow on the planet.

I’ve said it before…I’ve experienced hospitality for same priced tickets down south at clubs trying to increase attendance.

The difference is inexplicable. Spend £80 plus, and you are treated like royalty.

Except at Celtic Park, where the experience is far from pleasant….making it pointless. Except that it makes very clear the utter contempt these clowns have for us all.

Then you can also consider that they’re handing over our details to Rozzer Scotia for some nab-a-Tim fun. Which they have both done to no small embarrassing level.

Get them to absolute f.

Auldheid

jimthetim53

“Disappointingly, and presumably rather than accept that the investigation was a waste of all parties’ time and resources, the club has been served with a new revised Notice of Complaint relating to the monitoring period subsequent to the grant of the Uefa licence. This new Notice of Complaint neglects to properly capture the provisions of prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA.”
The “prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA” is my friends The Five Way Agreement. So if the SFA are incompetent to rule on this investigation they have to escalate it to the CAS. You would think?
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Spot on and possibly a reason for Celtic sitting on their hands. Going to CAS or UEFA would unravel the 5 Way or expose it to public scrutiny.

The SFA were asked to clarify the position at the end of May this year by Res12 Agent as follows

” I refer to my previous correspondence addressed to your predecessor, Mr. McGlennan, of 26 June 2018 and subsequent correspondence including my e-mal of 2 October to yourself.

In that correspondence various questions were asked about the process that the SFA had embarked upon with regard to the disciplinary charges (“the charges”) which the SFA initiated against RFC in relation to the grant of a European License for season 2011/2012.

In your last response to myself, dated 2 October 2018 you advised that although you were “aware, generally of the matter you are referring to”, you had only just taken up your post and had not been able to assess the legal position as at that date, and that you had no access to the e-mails and correspondence files of your predecessor. You indicated that you were “more than happy” to consider the concerns raised and “to provide the feedback you have requested” but you asked for more time to review the relevant material before responding.

As you know I have not heard anything further from you in the period since 2 October 2018.

In the meantime I note that on 19 July 2018, the Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal (JPDT) decided that the charges brought against RFC should be addressed to Court of Arbitration on Sport (CAS).

I would be grateful therefore if you could advise me as to any progression of the disciplinary charges concerned. Have they been referred to CAS and if so is there a timetable for the adjudication of the charges?

If the charges have not been progressed it would be helpful if you could clarify the reasons for that.

It may be helpful for me to set out my understanding of the background to the charges. In particular, when responding to the charges, I understand that RFC took a preliminary challenge to the SFA’s jurisdiction in relation to the prosecution and determination of the charges concerned.

At the preliminary hearing I understand that the JPDT agreed with the submissions of RFC and determined that the SFA was not entitled to prosecute RFC in relation to the charges and was instead obliged to refer them to CAS.
We are not privy to the reasoning of the JPDT but from press reports at the time it seems that the reasoning may have revolved around (a) what is referred to as “the Five Way Agreement” entered into by the SFA, the SPL, Rangers PLC (in administration), Sevco 588 Ltd, and The Scottish Football League in July 2012, and/or (b) the rules and regulations of the SFA itself.

It would be remarkable if the SFA, having commenced an investigation into the circumstances around the charges, having stated on a number of occasions that any such investigation should be postponed to allow HMRC tax related enquiries and tribunals, and Crown Office Enquiries and prosecutions, to be finalized and having concluded that there was a need for the charges to be brought only to find that it was precluded from doing so by reason of its own rules and regulations.

It would be equally remarkable if it was only “discovered” in July 2018 that prosecution of the charges was not going to be possible as a result of the terms of the Five Way Agreement.

We therefore request that you clarify the basis on which the JPDT appears to have sustained the preliminary challenge of RFC and provide us with an update as to the progression of the charges before CAS. This is important as CAS have already dealt with a similar case regarding tax payments owed under reference (CAS 2013/A/3233 PAE Giannina 1966 v. UEFA ) extracts from which I also provided with my letter of 25 June 2018. I imagine the SFA will wish to draw the attention of CAS to this precedent.

I look forward to hearing from you.”

The only answer was the public one by CEO Maxwell that a decision would be reached but with no timescale. Another reason to take case from the SFA. although the report interestingly talks about consequences of disclosing the liability, so maybe end March 2011 is now included as the term ” liability was first used to grant the licence at end of March.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sfa-set-make-rangers-uefa-16510993

Auldheid
Aye Ok then, the hair has been split 😉
As ever you are correct, but in the same vein so I am correct as I am not talking to the suits, I am on a blog telling it like I see it, a blind man can see what they are about, my point is that they had/have no intention of taking it any further, else they wouldn’t be killing it.
IMO and I have always said this, Res 12 will be their downfall, if it goes to court that is, if not we can just switch the lights off and close the door as the game is finished, I lump our board in with the rest of them as they are all fraudsters and they know it.
HH

Awe Naw

1. “The Board does not consider it to be in the best interests of the “Company” to take the steps proposed by the resolution. The Board recommends that you vote against this resolution.”
Why ? What has changed within The Board to now consider voting against the resolution ?

2. “The Board does not consider it to be in the best interests of the “football club” to take the steps proposed by the resolution. The Board recommends that you vote against this resolution.”
Why ? Is it just the steps or the Resolution itself ?

3. Does The Board based on the answers to 1 or/and 2 believe that pursuing Resolution 12 would be to the detriment of the professional game in Scotland
Why ?

4. Does the Board believe that the best interest of the Company take precedence over the questionable integrity and governance of Scotland’s footballing sporting bodies of which the club forms an integral part of and the perception that the product that is being sold is a sport where the normal sporting rules of fairness and governance should apply ?

5. Should “the best interests of the Company” not be enshrined and communicated within the terms and conditions of every season ticket and match ticket sold for a game ?

6. Should the best interests of the company and what those objectives actually are not be enshrined within the Celtic Charter and specifically where they take precedence over fairness and governance ?

Auldheid, It is astonishing that the SFA realised by – let’s be generous here – July 2018 that they had boxed themselves into a situation via the 5 WA, to where they are helpless. To realise they had been involved in something gone wrong but cannot do anything to undo it. And make sure it cannot happen again.

Why have they not called an EGM or whatever it takes to make a new rule on how to deal with this type of situation. Or heaven forbid to tear up the 5 way agreement? That must be possible. With all the legal eagles at their disposal what has been their plan since July 2018?

In the meantime it should have been handed over to CAS. I would bypass UEFA if possible they are aware of everything that has gone on and sat on it. Lets not forget they are FIFA’s little brother.

The only time they have helped in a small way was to destroy the continuity myth. Did they then go on to instruct SFA & SPFL to strip the titles from the new club and put the records straight? No.

What was UEFA’s reaction to the Supreme Court ruling on EBTs? Side letters? Registration irregularities on an industrial scale Did they not hear about it? A member ass.(SFA) sits idly by and UEFA sit beside them. Is Nimmo Smith higher up the pecking order than UEFA itself?

Awe Naw

Those that still contribute financially to Scottish football since the 5 way agreement was bestowed upon us don’t really care about fairness or governance unless they continued to contribute due to believing Peter Lawwell. The fact that they can tolerate Scottish Football officially by still contributing financially and with Celtics full approval about Scottish Football being only about the Rangers kind of gives the game away don`t you think ? The Board can see that this stance is the stance of someone who fully condones the bigot brothers and cannot help themselves. You can thank the board for putting you fully in that category. You fully deserve it. Your kids don´t though and after this AGM you will be reminded what a Rangers loving Fanny you truly are.

Heil Heil DD

fan-a-tic

Lawwell will go on his own timeline.
His disdain for the Celtic support is plain to see.
His ministry of truth continue to spin his and fellow plc crooks narrative.
The deceit is clear in the Res 12 strategy.
His mask slipped when he supplied the police with info to go after genuine Celtic fans.
He is the public face of deceitful corporate raiders.
The opinion of Celtic fans means nothing to him.
He will leave when he is finished looting the vault.
He will probably follow his brethren like Dallas to a lucrative European football role when his mission is accomplished.
Never felt anyone could surpass the Kelly/White treachery but Lawwell has far exceeded.

TET, I wish I was a sculptor.

I would sculpt a statue of the bunnet with Farry on his knees in front of Fergus. I would then plant it on the Celtic Way in the middle of the night and invite all the press to it’s unveiling the next morning.

Invite Jim Traynor to interview Peter Lawwell and get his reaction into print!

One can but dream 🙂

OnlyÜberTimtoBeOutnawedAndRenameD

Fan-a-Tic @ 12.42

Nail on head.

Every time we manage a Celtic high, those f&##ers are there to drag us and our spirits right back down to the murky depths of contemporary Scottish football and remind us that we are just mugs being mugged off in a corrupt cesspit. Like the rest of the Tories, I just wish they’d all fuck off and leave us alone – but why would they, while the cash cow keeps feeding them.

Well when have a Contract with Parks of Hamilton,to take the player’s and Coaches,to all football games,Park who is a director and a Major Shareholder over at Sevco,

Awe Naw

Afore we get all cuddly and reminscey aboot the Bunnet don´t forget that Fergus reneged on his main promise to sell his shares back to the support and that is why we are now currently stuck with the parasites that goes by the name Dermot Desmond and Peter Lawwell

Awe Naw

Timbhoy2

the lodge will not allow Celtic to do that

Awe Naw, Fergus had his faults but he nailed it with Farry. Besides it would be a good laugh! 🙂

Awe Naw

Jimtehtime53,

Fergus is a greedy wee bastard and a fucking liar AND HE KNOWS IT.

big packy

if I had a season ticket which I haven’t, id feckin drive up the M6 from Cheshire right now, and wait for lawell to come out the doors at celtic park, and I would rip the feckin ticket up, and throw it in his face, tory bassa.

fan-a-tic

AWE NAW
Fergus was a business man who was there for profit.
He came .he did, he left with broken promises.
Jimthetim53
The only thing gained from the Farry affair was compensation.There was nothing put in place to stop the same thing happening again or a public admittance of wrongdoing by the SFA that could have brought genuine reform.
It resulted in Farry’s lucrative pension.
It was clear he could not have done it alone and his cohort Bryson continued working to fuck us again with his improper registration shite.

Awe Naw

fan-a-tic
AWE NAW
Fergus was a business man who was there for profit.
He came .he did, he left with broken promises.

That´s what I said a lying greedy bastard

p.s the ragman’s a businessman, Junkie dealers are business men, virulently toxic whores are businessmen, anybody on this planet can call themselves businessmen a load of shite

Awe Naw

All those EBT games that your dead Father, Uncle, Granda paid good money to watch. Celtic PLC couldn´t give a fuck about them. In fact by the end of the next AGM they will have officially laughed and gobbed on their graves that they were so easily ripped off.