A Tale of Two Games.

Morning,all.

After all the drama of the last few days,one of our contributors takes us for a wander down memory lane to simpler times. And watching two particular matches with his cousin.

It’s the 25th of May 1967 and something strange is happening. I got sent home from school early, then my dad’s brothers appear with my cousins. Could there be a game on tonight,perhaps?

A game? You mean the biggest game in Celtic’s history,only the European cup final against Inter Milan!

Now,we all gathered round our little 14 inch black and white TV. I’m sitting beside my cousin James,who is my dad’s brother Terry’s son. My uncle Terry lived in Dunfermline-he moved there when James was 2 years old-but he came down for the game. Funny thing was,James being up there and going to school in Dunfermline was a red hot Pars fan,but with obviously a soft spot for Celtic. Anyway,the match starts and we seemed to be on top,then…

Ah,Jim Craig,what have you done?!! Mazzola slots the penalty home,and you could hear a pin drop in the house. But when Tommy smashes in the equaliser, and Stevie knocks in the winner? Cue massive hugging and dancing! Champions of Europe. Celtic. Wow!!!

Fast forward to the 27th of January 1968, my uncle Packy decides to take James and me to the Celtic v Dunfermline Scottish cup tie at Parkhead. I remember the bales of straw behind the goals. It was a dreich day,so he took us into the main stand and said to James something I will never forget.

James,make sure you keep your Dunfermline scarf in your pocket, in case of the unlikely event Dunfermline score. It probably won’t happen but just in case. Anyway the game starts but Celtic seemed lethargic and slow to every ball. We still created a few chances,but then Jim Brogan scored. I was up screaming and cheering only for the goal to be chalked off. Sound familiar?

Into the second half and James favourite player Tommy Callaghan semed to be running the show along with his brother Willie. I could see James getting excited-I could have throttled him!-then on 64 minutes Robertson of Dunfermline hit a shot. It was blocked but he blasted the rebound past Ronnie. I did not dare to look at James!

Then the killer blow. On 74 minutes Davie Cattenach was short with a pass back, and Gardner of Dunfermline took the ball,rounded Ronnie and fired home.

I can still see the smirk on James face to this day.

footnote-he married a girl from Coatbridge and went to live there. Became the biggest Celtic fan you could ever meet and still is.

HH

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Great stuff,Big Packy. Just goes to show why I canny get a coupon up! At least James had two happy days,the bugger.

Btw,Davie Cattenach was probably the oldest-and de facto leader-of The Quality Street Kids. Seems Big Jock never really forgave him for the mistake that day and he only played about twenty games afterwards for us-in about six years!-before being released.

Bloody good player for Falkirk though.

Margaret McGill

Big Packy
My uncle Brian took me to that match on his shoulders

Big Audio Dynamite

Good stuff, BP.

Hard to believe now, but we were one of the top 5 teams in Europe at that time, competing for the biggest prize in club football every season for a decade.

Can’t claim this as my own (Wish I could) and it’s worth repeating” Whatever part of my club is reliant on Rangers, I’m willing to lose”

HH to anyone struggling.

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BIGPACKY

I hate it when we get beaten at the best of times,but particularly in the cup. I won’t even talk about the League Cup due to the number of times I’ve seen us gubbed in a final in that one!

There’s a few which stick in my memory in the Scottish Cup though. Playing the huns off the park on Easter Sunday,1996. Lost 1-0. My displeasure was heard throughout my girlfriend’s family’s house that day. Their fault,I’d told them I didn’t want to come over for the traditional family do as I knew what was likely to happen. How come English people can always understand you when you’re swearing?

Jock’s last season,losing a replay to Killie. Provan roasted us that night,Roy Aitken got sent off for fouling him once or twice too often. I was at that one. To be fair,Roy was still only a kid then,about 18yo. Yet meant to be the lynchpin in defence.

ICT. Say no more.

But the worst,for me,was against Falkirk in Tommy Burns’ last season as our manager. Now think of the team we had then. Couldn’t even beat them in two attempts. In a semi-final.

Bloody hell. I’m sure there’s more,like 3-2 against Motherwell in the mid-70s. I was at that one anaw. And plenty of others.

Still,as I said,the Scottish Cup has given me more happy memories than that other bloody trophy.

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BIGAUDIODYNAMITE

Congratulations to ATHINGOFBEAUTY for remembering that wee soundbite. That’s the thing when you come out with a memorable quote-people remember it.

Cyberpint if you can guess who said it…

Big Audio Dynamite

Bobby

Wasn’t you, was it? ?

Big Audio Dynamite

Scottish cup heartache?

First thing that popped into my head was Colin O’neill’s rocket in the semi replay in 91. Man, the things you are able to block from your mind ?

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BIGAUDIODYNAMITE

No-I wish!

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BIGAUDIODYNAMITE

That was another semi-final replay,wasn’t it? God,I’d blanked that from my mind. I’ve blanked a helluva lot from my mind from when i lived in London during the dog days of the Kellys. Watched as much as I could,gave thanks for my exile.

Big Audio Dynamite

On this day in 1966. League cup final @Hampdump.

In front of a crowd nearing 100,000, Celtic beat Rangers 1-0 with a goal from Bobby Lennox on 18mins.

Team that day: Simpson, Gemmel, O’Neill, Murdoch, McNeill, Clark, Johnstone, Lennox, McBride, Auld, Hughes. Sub: Some guy called Chalmers (Wonder what happened to him ?)

Love reading about these games that were just before my time.

HH

Big Audio Dynamite

Bobby

Walked back to my mates house in Toryglen after the match, he opened the door, took my scarf from my neck and tossed it in the bin! I didn’t protest. We fell apart that night.

Big Audio Dynamite

I see Naka is still scoring belters at the ripe old age of 41!

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BIGAUDIODYNAMITE

Not worn a scarf at the game for years,though I sometimes wear one down to the pub in Swindon to watch a game. Present from LEFTCLICKTIC,one of a fair few. But back in the day,the scarf was sacrosanct. And my Dad is still very attached to his,it’s like a family heirloom. I can see me,my sisters and my niece fighting over it though hopefully it will be totally worn out by then.

I documented some seriously bad runs of form from the 80s when I did my series on The Lost Ten during the summer. Having been brought up on the heady days of supremacy-my first match was against Aberdeen in October 1967-then being at nearly every match in Jock’s disastrous last season,I was hoping to never go through the latter again.

But sometimes,we went months without a win! That scarf back then lived a charmed life,I can tell you!!!

Great memories BP
HH
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” Whatever part of my club is reliant on Rangers, I’m willing to lose”
That would be Paul 67, things seem to have changed in the meantime………

Big Audio Dynamite

Btw, anyone on here in Lisbon for the 50th Anniversary of our Euro cup win? Hope there’s a few who were in Pink st that night. I had the wee man with me, and the look on his face that night will live with me forever. We met 2 guys, Malky and Vinny, and because I helped Malky and his missus find their hotel, he invited us to the CQN night. Can still see the looks on the faces of the people on the bridge overlooking Pink at as we sung our hearts out. The wee man seemed to be the only kid there, which made me so happy we had decided to go.

Brilliant memories, and not a football in site!

HH

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Good few of us there,I think it was nearly 6am before Stevie from Toronto-TEUCHTER AR LA-and I rolled back to the hotel. My Dad had chucked it a few hours earlier,golf in the morning.

Fantastic night,and a wonderful occasion all round. We even met Jorge Cadete’s sister-she is a member of the local Police force,and was dead chuffed when we started singing about him. Great striker,absolutely loved him.

We were with a crowd of guys we knew well,and suffice to say that the booze was flowing. And a lot of it was of the finer malts. When it was my round,I hoped that the bill was in Escudos!

Worth every penny,and that goes for the entire trip. Bet your lad had his eyes opened that week…

Twists n turns

Bobby
Scarves

Went to Portugal on a supporters bus from Glasgow University for a match v Sporting. Left on the Sunday at 00.30am or thereabouts and arrived in Portugal with only a few hours to spare.
Found a local restaurant pre match then out for a few beers. Little Portuguese lad started following my uncle and I around the town. Shouting “celteek” constantly.

We gave him a few Escudos and it was as though he’d won the lottery.

My uncle had a scarf on that he’d worn at the big cup final in 67. Explains as best he can to the kid it was a special scarf, and he wanted him to have it.

He takes the scarf and runs down the street waving it above his head.

On the way to the ground, he appears by our side again. No scarf. He’d sold it ?

All that history gone in a flash.

(If any of you were the ones who bought that scarf I’d like to buy back the history please. ??)

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THEEXILEDTIM

Yep. All quiet on the western front.

Margaret McGill

BMCUW
Paul Brennan?
2011

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TWISTSNTURNS

Aw,bloody hell.

By the time my Dad’s scarf gets passed down through the generations,I expect that it’s legend will have grown to include being at one or two games that it wasn’t. Not necessary. It’s been at plenty of great ones.

Margaret McGill

part of my club is reliant on Rangers, I’m willing to lose or whatever
Paul Brennan 2019

Enjoyed reading that Packy 🙂 Your memory of the BIG cup win sounds not dissimilar to mine. All the family around a wee b&w television. The rejoicing! I remember after the result a couple of cars running around our scheme tooting their horns, Celtic scarves waving from the windows. Not many folk had cars in those days. Nowadays it would be a cavalcade!

Awe Naw

So has the SFA´s Judicial Panel Disciplinary Tribunal now completed all consideration of the complaint from all involved parties and agreed with Dave Kings lawyers ?

I feel we should be told. At least a hint towards the 4 resolutioners

I would have expected the outcome of this decision to have been relayed to the Resolutioners discreetly. That would be the correct and civilised thing to do. It would seem that the Resolutioners were not kept in the loop. That and the timing of the announcement is beyond being “highly suspicious”. It leaves me wondering what would need to be done to break the bond of trust between the Resolution instigators and Celtic PLC ?

If you look at the timeline (always look at the timeline folks) it would look to me that this was the first opportunity for Celtic PLC to remove Resolution 12 from the agenda. To do so having not received or to not have intimated why ? is fully expected by us all. Why not the Resolutioners ? The first Celtic AGM since Rod Petrie took charge of the SFA. I always maintained that Rod Petrie was the conduit between the 5WA parties and Celtic PLC of that I have no doubt and neither should anyone else. A coincidence of course, naturally, as fully expected. To think that Rod Petrie would allow the prelude to his 5WA efforts to be presented to CAS was always fantasy. Celtic PLC not going for the juggler while Rod Petrie is in office indicates without doubt , no debate the closeness of the relationship with Petrie and Lawwell bearing in mind the John Mc Ginn affair (A PURE FUCKING SQUIRREL FOR THE HARD OF THINKING) COMPLICIT FROM THE GET GO

I wonder at what point Scottish communities will wake up to being fleeced by billionaire golf players and providing ancient old orange bigots with their healthy pension plan and help to rejig Scottish football for the benefit of their communities ?

Auldheid

Awe Naw
Auldheid,

How were you informed that The Celtic Board recommends to vote against Resolution 12 ?

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Same way as every other shareholder by e mail announcing the AGM, which is what I expected.

Thanks for those posts clarifying the SFA position in June. That public announcement was prompted by a letter from the Res12 lawyer that asked SFA to clarify the matter re CAS.

I think it is on the Res12 Archive. I’ll look.

Reading some of the comments further clarification is needed.

Celtic did not oppose the investigation that the Res12 of 2013 wanted UEFA to do. This is with the SFA. Maxwell confirms it.

What Celtic oppose is taking it away from SFA and giving the case to UEFA or the police. They say that isnt in the Companies interest not that conducting an investigation isnt.

So that puts the ball on the SFA penalty spot but they are faffing around deciding who is going to take the kick.

The big issue now that Celtic have not made any statement on is how long before they show SFA the yellow card for faffing about?

At the last AGM that question was posed amongst others and Celic agreed to provide a written answer.
If those answers are not provided at the coming AGM then the Board appear either complicit in protecting the SFA or incompetent for allowing the faffing about to last another year.

There is another key point lost in the smog of detail that deserves a separate post and it raises another question that has to be answered, a question The Board dont want asked never mind answer.

It is do the Celtic Board believe UEFA FFP was breached all during 2011?

If they believe not. What are their reasons.
If Yes. Why are they waiting?

It might help recalibrate perceptions to see the latest Res that Celtic oppose as a stalking horse to allow key issues to be brought into the open.

It doesnt really matter if regular match goers are not interested. What matters is at the next AGM there will be a large number of well informed shareholders demanding Celtic put an end to a charade.

Awe Naw

Auldheid,

as you know a long long time ago I was most hated and ridiculed internet Celtic poster for permanently banging on about how we were conspiring to keep the Old Firm alive. I always maintained that Celtic were turning a blind eye to the indiscretions because they didn´t want to have to go through the 5WA and thought that way rigidly from early on. Celtic PLC were already acting in a way that benefitted Rangers as they didn´t want to self harm the Old Firm model. At every point Celtic PLC behaved as the money horny whores that we all know that they are. John Rowbottam alerted me to this situation circa 2003

I think the ditching of Resolution 12 is full proof confirmation of that.

Awe Naw

Auldheid

What Celtic oppose is taking it away from SFA and giving the case to UEFA or the police. They say that isn’t in the Company’s interest not that conducting an investigation isn’t.

It is certainly not in the main two 5WA architects interest. Lawell and Petrie

GER57

Following Celtic has given me many great highs, and a few very deep lows. In the space of 5 days in April 1970, I experienced both extremes.
On Sat 10th April, in the Cup final v Aberdeen, the worst MIB in history, Davidson of Airdrie, gave 4 outrageous decisions against us. Final score was 3-1 to Dons. Heartbroken and angry, so I was. Denied a treble.
On Wednesday 15th April we returned to Hampden and beat Leeds 2-1 with a scintillating performance. My dad and I were high as kites, convinced we were gonna win the big cup again the following month in Milan.
It was a real emotional roller coaster and convinced me that following Celtic was one of the best buzzes you can get.

I have read the other comments on the thread and it is a major letdown to realise that our custodians seem to be up to their necks in the conspiracy to absolve the huns of their cheating. I look forward to these guys trying to justify their stance at the AGM.

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My Dad was at both of them. So was JIMBO67,if you can remember him. I must phone him. My Dad on Davidson,well,you can imagine. JIMBO67 On Davidson,its like lighting the blue touchpaper!

I had reason later on to despise the basturt,right enough,so I can understand where they are coming from. And I think he sent off Jinky for sod all,also against Aberdeen in a cup game,right in front of the jungle the following year.

I hope it’s hot where he is,wi a trident right up his arse and holding him to the flames.

I find it amazing that some people, in the main intelligent people still think that Celtic had nothing to do with the 5WA.
Just shows how easy it is to fool the punters.

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THEEXILEDTIM

Agreed. And as for the point GER57 made about looking forward to these sellout basturts justifying themselves at the AGM,sadly they don’t need to.

Block vote wins. Smirks all round.

Awe Naw

TET

Can you remember when cognitive dissonance was CQN´s favourite buzzword ?

I propose that we try and make cognitive rigidity SC’s buzzword.

Cognitive rigidity was referred to by medical staff before the 60’s as mental inertia. It´s also may be a way of calling stupid Celtic fans stupid without upsetting BMCUWP 🙂

Auldheid

Aw Naw

What bond of trust? Ffs that is utter drivel.

I explained how things are.

A Resolution to take an investigation that is with SFA because Res12 actually got one going is still with the SFA.

The new Res exposes the bad faith, bad judgement, contempt whatever meaning you give it not towards the instigator but to shareholders and supporters.

You have banged on for years about how corrupt the game is.

The instigators have proved it, how in the name of God does that suggest a bond of trust?

I read a post by TBB on CQN, a smart guy who sees matters in a much clearer way.

You should read it.

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AWENAW

Unlikely you could upset me,bud. Well,maybe. Piss me off,even. Just don’t disappoint me,or I’ll be looking out the oranges and sending the boys round(!)

Awe Naw
I think that’s a very good idea 😉
HH
Re the 5WA, some of the excuses I have heard have been brilliant, the best one being our Eric was on holiday when they decided on the agreement, so he didn’t know what was in it, some people actually believe that FFS, in this day and age when there is things like conference calls, mobile phones, emails etc, one of the board of an integral party to the agreement didn’t know what was happening, if it wasn’t so fecking ludicrous it would actually be very funny.
I can just imagine it, the rest of the parties were in a dark smoke filled room putting the final touches to the agreement, working through the night as to get it done before Eric came back from his holidays………….
An agreement that would have taken months to compile with memos going back and fore between all the parties and our Eric and the Celtic board didn’t know what was in it, yet some actually believe that.

big packy

thanks for your comments ghuys, those 2 games ill never forget, incidentally when james first started going out with Bernadette his wife of many years now, his girlfriend then, he took dette as he calls her to a Dunfermline celtic game at east end park, they had to come away after 10 mins, the sectarian abuse from the Dunfermline fans was as he says, worse than rangers fans. he has never been back.hh.

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BIGPACKY

Sad story,sums up our best wee country in the world.

Auldheid

TET

The Res that Celtic oppose was never about winning the vote on that Res.

It was always going to fall to the block vote.

It was about exposing what has been taking place over last 6 years and what investigators have been battling against. It’s in the Recital to the Res Celtic oppose.

The original aim of using SFA skullduggery for SFA reform by giving Celtic leverage was lost May 2018. That is when Celtic were handed proof that instigators never had until a week after the charges were made, that according to a statement from TRFC, would have dumped all the blame on CW for offences in the monitoring period only ie post SDM, proof that a payable and not a potential liability existed at 31 March.

From that point, when Celtic refused to use the info and left it to the instigators to send to SFA at cost of £2000k , trust broke.

A month after that evidence was provided the can was kicked down the CAS road by SFA and silence fell from sources that before then had appeared supportive.

As I have said the devil is in the detail and if that is not known or taken into consideration any judgements no matter how accurate remain unprovable opinions.

It would really help if folk read fact based info rather than apply meanings that the facts can challenge.

I appreciate blogs do not work under that constraint but instigators had to, otherwise we lost authority.

big packy

HI bobby, yes sad, but he hates them with a passion now.hh.

Auldheid

TET

I dont know where you read that reason it does not apply to the 5 Way it applies to the SPL Board meeting in Feb/March 2013 when the LNS position and appealing it was being considered.

JJ reported it and basically a meeting that Riley attended was adjourned for a week to get some questions answered.

A week later it was convened by telephone but Riley was on holiday. Being in a different time zone ie too early or two late may have been the reason but the context was LNS not the 5 Way.

Now if you want context on that all I’ll say for now is whilst it is inconceivable Celtic did not participate, there has been no document dated in that period that proves they were.
However there is a document that only surfaced on Twitter recently that shows what was in the 5 Way was discussed at an SPL Board meeting chaired by Eric Riley in Oct 2013, a month before the Res12 AGM….

Awe Naw

Auldheid,

You need to remove the paranoia FFS it makes exchanges cumbersome and difficult

A bond of trust is possibly I agree a bit strong. I assumed that there were communications between the parties involved and that some kind of mutual understanding was obtained about the path to take by at least by two of the resolutioners. As you make clear there wasn’t and that possibly explains why Celtic plc never felt like treating you four guys any differently. I would have expected more from the club. Yes I know stupid me.

You guys have done superbly well nobody .. especially not me is trying to .. discredit your character or somehow create the impression that somehow you guys are “cosy” with anyone at Celtic or even that two of the four are even cosier. You can dismiss that I have nothing but admiration for all four of your persistence

I read TBB´s post since yesterday and BRTH .. I thought they were both mainly exercises in damage limitation for the PLC while providing the current status.

Persistence beats resistance as they say. Good luck I hope you prove me wrong

I await the divulge of information from the PLC at the AGM and what cast iron assurances they have received from the SFA not to take it to CAS or UEFA

BIrdsOfAFeatherCSC (NOT YOU GUYS Ok ???)

Auldheid
I added this to my post, I may be many things but stupid is not one of them, I know how things work as you do, you know better than most how the sfa et all work, to have me and anyone else believe that the Celtic board didn’t know about an agreement that one of their members was party to beggars belief

“An agreement that would have taken months to compile with memos going back and fore between all the parties and our Eric and the Celtic board didn’t know what was in it, yet some actually believe that.”
HH

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AULDHEID

Now you’ve even got me confused! IIRC,you were asked to provide a smoking gun,a silver bullet. You and the lads have done so-in spades.

And now that Celtic have decided not to act on that information,and in fact seem hell bent on turfing it out,consigning it to the bin of expensive Quixotic endeavours,you’re questioning those who are supporting you?

Please understand,I’m asking this because I’m now very confused,not because I’m having a pop at you-as if! I just don’t get it.

Awe Naw
I agree on the posts you mention, damage limitation.
HH

The Celtic Board’s decision on Res 12 is just another chapter in the story so far. Some folk seem to think it’s all a waste of time. Nothing will change or be achieved. I disagree. Because the majority do not know or do not care does not make the minority wrong. A handful of intelligent and persistent people can achieve a great deal.

The initial reaction of the SFA ‘there’s nothing to see here’ moved to an investigation. The pressure didn’t come from Celtic or any other club. Nor UEFA. It came from the resolutioners. The CW trial helped because it confirmed a lot of their evidence and it was now in the public domain.

As an added bonus it has brought the issue of the 5 way agreement back into focus. If it is true that the SFA are rendered incompetent to handle the investigation, as a result of the 5WA, it just shows everyone not only how corrupt the signatories were but how utterly stupid too.

Bada Bing

Eric Riley…..I was a guest at CP in the Presidential Suite, a few years ago. The comical way he was trying to cover up his Masonic handshakes,actually caught my attention to watch him, and he dished out plenty……..

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BADABING

You’re far from the first person to mention that. And I have serious doubts that he’s the only one.

Auldheid

Aw Naw

I well remember you banging on but you never had proof.

Remember 2009? Fletcher, how we lost the league to a Rangers team we beat in the LC Cup final.

That was the start of 3iar for them after they lost out to Kaunas in CL qualifying and SDM splashed out on players rather than make contingency to pay HMRC Bill’s and rely on recovering cost from future CL income.

That had a sniff about it for me but no proof without which the idea as you know was laughed at.

Now you have proof but have misunderstood what is going on.

Celtic had no idea of the new Res. The last contact was Jan 19 when they stated they would not use the proof a payable existed to interfere with the SFA process.

They got the new Res they oppose thanks to team work as well as leg work from a lovely guy and did what they had to do.

Publish with their response.

Nothing more nothing less.

Now as is evident different and incorrect meaning has been given to that response but that is to be expected, we all find what we are looking for, including myself, but Celtic have now bound themselves to an SFA stalled investigation and the message at and before the AGM must be answer the questions put a year ago and get an acceptable timeframe from SFA for a decision.

That is where the focus has to be.

Stalking horse. Get it?

Big Audio Dynamite

Id bet good money not a single mover and shaker at Celtic, Rangers, or the SFA, isn’t part of the same secret org.

And in every facet of life they operate, the impression is always given that someone is fighting the good fight. Mmm!

Big Audio Dynamite

We were being really naive to think Celtic operated outside the real tentacles of power.

My Dad put me right on that decades ago!

During the time that the old huns were getting sold for a £1, lots of prospective buyers were sticking bids in for them, they all got an insight into the finances, good and bad, I know that someone who has very close ties to our great moustachioed one submitted a bid for them, it’s always all about the money and knowing what your supposed enemy is up to.

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