One foot in the grave
Yesterday seen Ireland’s second greatest export after the diaspora put one foot in the grave.
The repercussions of the events in East Glasgow will take some time to fully manifest, but to me it looks more and more likely to be the death knell for a club that once did actually represent a people and a cause.
Yesterday the Club transferred fully into a corporate entity devoid of morals or soul and seeking only their new God,,, your money.
It would be easy to sit here and rant away, as Im prone to the odd time,, but honestly theres just a hollow feeling of final resignation lingering now where once pure love grew strongly.
Many of us seen this coming. The groundwork took years in the making and the path itself was smoothed over through long term neutering of potential large scale opposition and stringing the small scale along.
The last 7 days or so have been timed exquisitely.
Dave departs with the big job done.
As we speak the Old Firm is alive,,job very well done Dave.
Green Brigade squirrel did its job.
AGM out of the way for another year.
It was an example in setting the agenda,,something those with tons of money can do a lot easier than those without.
Signs show an internal handing over of power to the younger Desmond, and as the old saying goes the apple never falls far from the tree.
Its clear now that Dermot will do ten and thats all she wrote, and a public passing of the flame is surely pencilled in for May 2021.
Think the future will hold any difference under the new suit , think again.
He will know first hand what he’s getting into and is willingly stepping into a cesspit that a privileged few wade into and make a financial killing.
We also know now that the board sprung some fresh info that Uefa had told them not interested. And this despite the Resolutioners having spoken to them beforehand.
After silver bullet, verbal assurances are no longer enough. Word isnt bond in this case.
And then came the gerrymandering of the vote itself.
To be gerrymandered at what is supposed to be your release in life whilst trying to strive in what can be a very stressful world is simply beyond the pale.
Seeing the entire room defeated by one desk,,,at work maybe yeah,,,but your own team and true love? Your chosen pastime? Are they not there to share the vision ? Empowered and trusted by ourselves for that job? And yet they basically bully us?
They take control and go against our history with their decisions.
I find this absolutely galling personally.
And shameful for those responsible. Soo soo shameful because they actually know how dear some hold that which they abuse.
If its true that Uefa have taken that stance then look at the implications,,,
Was there pressure from within applied ?
Have they decided that its such a boat rocker we aint going near it ?
In cahoots with the Plc to say move on ?
You can believe nothing you are told these days but that is a big one to pull out of the hat ,, and if backed only by a verbal ‘ Aye I had them on the blower and thats what they said ‘ then forget it.
But still , that doesnt sound like good news at all where I sit.
There might well be some legal route or other being looked at but Im starting to come to the opinion that I will probably depart this mortal plane with a legal route being looked at.
If others need help finding funding for that route I have no doubt we will all help that fine and noble cause ,, how can we not ?
But increasingly this looks like boiling down to each individual ,, who now are under no illusion that they are funding a crooked game where rules can be bent to suit circumstances,,and that bending is sold to you as in your best interests.
We have had it confirmed once and for all that the people who have maneuvered themselves into positions of custodianship of the club do not have integrity , or the fans wishes at heart . Those will be sacrificed when suits the suits.
As a man who just cannot swallow the Big Lie , my last hope for the league up north is that the team playing in light blue out of Ibrox that were awarded the history of the previous team playing in light blue out of Ibrox go under and die with the history not transferred again even should there be another team in light blue playing out of Ibrox.
Thats the only way the Big Lie can end now, as its been embraced by our own club , governing bodies everywhere ,media , that club , and incredibly our own fans as they fork out 49 smackers a pop to be there.
Thats the only way the Old Firm will die as the PLC have bought into it fully and are on solid financial footing.
And with the Old Firm dying perhaps , just perhaps , some sanity might actually creep into the game.
With time precious, a farce is something I just cant buy into sorry.
The Ten has become our bane and our target simultaneously.
It legitimizes the Ibrox mob and their dead history , while simultaneously drawing in the punters who just will not want to miss the never seen before event.
Just like moths to a flame which has given the suits the power they crave over you.
It may well be the pay off for playing the Old Firm game for the second time ,, blood money.
It will blind many to the stench of corruption, and help seal the fate of a once great football club to ignominy in a bent backwater.
It will bring bonus after bonus for those who stopped needing anything at all in life long long ago.
It will divide the fan base on those who walk and those who stay.
It will dominate domestic life for the next 18 months.
It will see a new main man , who stood idly by and watched you all get shafted yesterday.
Its now our curse. Just like our boardroom.
The above is by Mahe. We welcome any thoughts to publish. email@example.com
Mario,,the first draft didn’t copy over well sorry.
I don’t understand, not acceptable? ???
Problem posting? Mail it to me and I’ll put it up.
Nothing to do with you but the last article didn’t format right and the repost didn’t bring your comment. Apologies Sir.
BMCUWP, thanks, lost in the ether, post does not matter. Just commented on Auldheid last posts on last forum. I don’t think this is finished. We now know the battlefield, just need to align the troops and figure the strategy. I said other things, does not matter now. just sad. to quote from another site, poster said- rangers were liquidated, Celtic died. ETHOS is that been dumped in the monitorised bin. That’s all I have to say.
Once Mahe explained what had happened,I dug it up for you. Here it is.
What occurred at agm was not a surprise, we all knew what the outcome was going to be. The board suggested time barred, Fraud cannot be time barred. Good comments from Auldheid in last forum near the end. Interesting that he stated that videocelts asked eric Reilly if he had seen 5 way agreement, he allegedly sid no. Now is that not of interest. Don’t think this is going away. PLC we’re coming for ya.
I am in a flux over the whole affair. So many emotions, sadness, despair, let down. I thought we were better than all this crap. Someone on another site said Rangers liquidated, Celtic died. ETHOS has it been chucked in monitorised bin. One good thing we definitely know the battlefield all we need to do now is get the troops aligned and strategy worked out. We can be Heroes for ever and ever.
I’m glad that you wrote today’s article. If it had been left to me,I might have had to bar myself. I’m totally scunnered at the sheer mendacity of the board yesterday,even down to their comment on the 5WA. But as they are honourable men,we shall have to take them at their word.
Which begs the question-WHY haven’t they seen it? Could it be that they specifically said that they didn’t want to know how the outcome-the 5WA-was arrived at? There’s a big big difference between never having seen something and knowing all about it nevertheless. If their disclaimer was meant to display the cleanliness of their hands,it did little to dispel the perception or firmly held belief that they knew about it all along,and gave it their blessing,if not an actual launch down the slipway.
As for torpedoing Res 12-2019 they declare any action to be timebarred. Garbage. Another lie. Another in a long litany,and nearly as bad as the one last year when Lawwell said that the resolutioners were happy with progress and with how the club had handled things.
Fortunately,AULDHEID was there at the time to declare himself FAR from happy. And he was there again yesterday,and this time in good company.
Yesterday wasn’t the usual stagemanaged garbage we have become used to over the years. Yesterday was a full-scale shareholders revolt. And I’m proud of every one of them who took their place and made their disgust in the whole situation absolutely clear.
There’s a book written in the 4th century called Augustine’s confession. ( no I wasn’t in the queue for its release ?)
You’re probably aware of it yourself but for anyone who isn’t, there’s a feature on radio 2 now and again called “ what makes us human” which I quite like, and I guess you could loosely interpret it as being along the same lines as Augustine’s confession.
What shaped his life and his thinking. ( Cicero / the bible – amongst other stuff)
Where the ff was I going with this?
That fekkin top table yesterday. That’s where I was going.
“It was a day when I was preparing a speech to be delivered in praise of the Emperor. There would be a lot of lies in the speech and they would be applauded by those who knew that they were lies”
Watching that yesterday ………
The war is over, the rebels have ..??
On the very day this was happening, some influential Celtic bloggers chose Dave King’s departure as the topic of the day ..unbelievable!
“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves” Lenin
The Celtic I held in my heart and my mind is now gone. Gutted
I should add:
The St Augustine interest wasn’t something I got taught at religious knowledge classes. I used to switch off in those. I was there in body only.
Nah – came from a Bob Dylan song.
Lyrics had me curious:
“ I dreamed I saw St. Augustine
Alive as you or me
Tearing through these quarters
In the utmost misery “
In some ways, I am relieved by yesterday’s decision. For years, I have agonised over whether to hang on in there, in the feint hope that my club and the people running it, would pick up the gauntlet and at least challenge the cheating and corruption that is endemic in the professional game in Scotland. Through that period, my own personal candle of hope flickered off and on as I allowed the heart to rule my head because supporting Celtic was one of the biggest things in my life, outside my immediate family and close friends.
I was on the point of giving up for good in the run up to the 2013 AGM when it looked as though the original Res 12 was going down the pan. Now that it has, I will no longer allow my heart to rule my head. To me, Celtic FC is dead as is my support for the pale imitation that now plays on the once hallowed turf at Celtic Park.
I used to stand in the Jungle and bellow out, “we don’t care if we win lose or draw…” Now, I just don’t care.
So it’s good-bye from me and good luck with whatever the rest of you decide to do now
I think many more will follow suit but sadly not enough to make any discernible difference.
I’d better go. I’ve got a meeting this morning with ….. Campbell Dallas. Accountants to the other cheats across the city.
MORNING ALL mahe, cant add anything to that, the tory board maybe one this round, but there are more rounds to come, my old man would be turning in his grave at the thought of torys on the celtic board, by the way went to bed at 10 last night wish I had stayed up, just spent an hour reading back, it was like the old days of cqn before the bullying started, fantastic reading, also the lions roar, if your lurking, if you stopped the personal abuse you would be an asset to this site, hope your not offended by me saying this.HH.
m6bhoy @ 8:12am
I know,you like myself and many others feel betrayed by the board and their followers but I would implore you and any others who feel the same way,please do not desert OUR CLUB in it’s time of need.
Can I hark you back to the Green Brigade banner depicting Muhammed Ali and the sentiment attached to it.
We were dealt a body blow which put us down yesterday by a bunch of thieves and liars but our response should be to NEVER back down when what we know and believe is right.
All day yesterday I had to read posts like the one you just sent and it angers me to the same level that I feel for the top table yesterday that they have made you and the others feel the way you do.
However,the answer is not to remain on the floor but to get up and face these bastards down by whichever means we can lay at our disposal.
We all know that money is their God so initially in some small way we can all contribute to a downward trend in their cash driven agenda.
Starting today,every single person who feels the same way as Auldheid and the requisitioners could start to make them feel the pinch by withholding money we had earmarked for match day extra’s and merchandise.
Until further notice,and I don’t mean two or three weeks or even months but two or three years or even longer until “the pips start to squeak.” As Fergus famously said,”Not one thin Dime” and that should be our mantra from day one,starting today……….And that’s just for starters.
Not a pie,bovril,matchday programme,Celtic View,stadium tour……….Nada………Zilch…….A big FAT zero !
There are other ways to influence events and although today seems like we have an impossible task,slowly but surely ,if we hold our nerve and the thought of what we hold so dear to all our hearts we shall win the day.
I have thought long and hard,to the point of torturing myself over the question of staying on to support the ONLY TEAM that I would ever follow and have come to the conclusion that the only cash we should contribute is that which is required to purchase our season books.
There is now no way that I am going to walk away and desert the team that I and my son have followed from the cradle and my father and his father before him from cradle to grave to make life easy for these charlatans.
They want us to walk away ! Don’t you see,that is their plan all along.Get rid of the malcontents and then they have a supine fanbase which they can twist and turn to their hearts desire.
How does one quantify NEVER in relation to time ? The answer is you cannot.So we must continue to fight the good fight in the certain knowledge that what we are doing is right AND in the interest of Celtic FC,if perhaps not Celtic PLC.
We must play the long game because that is the hand we have been dealt and we must somehow persuade others who at the moment do not have the stomach for a fight to come and join us but I,for one,will not give in to these corporate parasites who have taken root in our boardroom.
At the end of the day,I will be on the right side of history.The PLC board will have their judgement day,and their hangers on and sycophants ? …………Well,they’ll have their soup !
HAPPY THANKSGIVING DAY to all our ex-pat supporters and their families in the US!!!
Great stuff Mahe, and thanks
So it does look like Res 12 is not over, delighted to hear that.
I was in Granada yesterday and going by the fixed penalty I got in the mail this morning, yesterdays jaunt has cost me 60 euros more than I anticipated, back in October I crossed over a street that I shouldn’t have, I was in a line of traffic and we all crossed this road, I crossed over it twice yesterday, so I now expect two more fines coming my way, they are 60 euros a pop but reduced to half if paid within a month, the council must make a fortune from this, there are no signs that I saw, but I have been assured that fighting it is pointless as there is something in the city bylaws that states that the rules and regs are on display at the city chambers. so I am on my plums as they say, winkers.
I do not accept that Eric Riley hasn’t seen at least a draft of the 5WA, and thus by extension Celtic FC had to be aware. Whether or not he or PL or anyone else at Celtic have seen the final document is another matter entirely. Was it not well trailed that Eric Riley was on the SFA Board (or it may have been SPL as was) at the time when said discussions were ongoing, that when it was finalised he (Eric Riley) was away on holiday? It stinks.
Sorry, but this is now as dead as the proverbial Norwegian blue parrot.
I don’t think it is
Your wider emotional point about the breaking of a bond is spot on and each individual has a choice in terms of the kind of support they wish to offer.
Continue paying in to socialise with the friends made via being a Tim but recognise that apart from enjoying or not enjoying the football on the day, the rest is meaningless.
It’s not so much keeping Rangers alive as keeping them competitive with us by not challenging the cheating attitude that as Tangled Up in Blue shows is part of their historical DNA.
Now regards UEFA there was a mixed message from the top table that needs United.
Bankier reading from a script said UEFA had investigated for I immediately wrote that down but not his next words but I did write down the consequences of what I think he said which was in effect no case to answer as a result of investigating.
If true why was that not done in 2013 when Res12 tabled to seek UEFAs view. Did SFA do it between 2017 and now and if no case to answer why was basis not explained when charges made.
If all was well during complete Licencing process or part of it why was that not made public with reason whenever it became known. Think of the hassle it would have saved.
PL on the other hand repeated what he told us last Jan which was UEFA not interested, not that they had investigated and concluded there was nothing to interest them.
He went on to say he had spoke to UEFA before AGM and they were not interested and that any sanctions for a breach in 2011 would have fallen in 2012 which was a known for breaches discovered in monitoring. Standard practice.
What we dont know is if the grant period was examined either by SFA or UEFA and what decision was reached and why. According to a TRFC statement the end of March period was excluded but we dont know why, a point made to Celtic in May 2018 when charges made but ignored.
Now what we know is what triggered the investigation which was liability was not potential at end March from court testimony so what is the explanation for exclusion, did no overdue payable exist or was that never examined because the proof offered disguised a payable existed?
So what is the truth and the answer is we do not know because Celtic have not shared with us either why UEFA are not interested or if no case exists.
Clarity is needed and will be asked for.
If UEFA are not interested on the basis of The Traverso letter that no one is left to sanction, new club/company which UEFA believe to be so for licensing purposes, it and Celtic appear to miss a point.
If licence was granted by deception, a decision being studiously avoided by avoiding investigators since 2013 then Celtic are due compensation.
Who from? RFC who gained licence by deception according to evidence.
Why are Celic not pursuing?
Because it’s only pence in the pound and not worth it.
Now if that was the justification it’s not in the Companies interest to pursue would we buy that?
I think we might as it implicitly recognises the current lot are not the old lot but more important for most confirmation deception was at play.
In those circumstances I would consider moving on was in order but not until then.
The reasons given yesterday do not fly.
Access to site sorted!
I had always given the board the benefit of doubt but after yesterday, they can go and do one.
Liars and cheats and as smug and arrogant with it.
As my old mother used to say – Fuck the lot of them!
I see one of The Celtic Foundation beneficiaries this Christmas is the Salvation Army, Parkhead for the charitable work they do in the East End.
Perhaps a Salvation Army band could take the space of the Green Brigade for a couple of weeks to entertain the troops? 🙂
I wish it were different, but talking about stuff doesn’t help; the only honest thing PL said yesterday is that the remedies that should have been available are likely now statute-barred.
I had a client not that long ago… his brother-in-law was a vp at the family business, and had been stealing money. So, he came in and wanted me to do something about it.
I said, have him arrested. ‘Cant do that. He’s my sister’s husband. It would destroy their family’
so, I said, fire him from the company. ‘Cant do that. My sister and parents would never speak to me’
So, I said, pay him his salary, but dont let him near the money part of the business. “That’s not fair. He gets paid a lot of money.
I said, pay him his VP salary, and let him stay employed, butdont actually give him any responsibility. “he wouldnt go for that, and it would be bad for morale’.
So, he said he wanted to think about it …
six months later, he is back because the BiL has – surprise, surprise – stolen more money …
So, I say, ‘have him arrested’… he says, ‘cant do that ….’
(Bang head against wall)
Some clients you cant help, because they dont really want to be helped.
people now have three choices:
1. Boycott (which it is clear isn’t going to happen)
2. Accept things.
3. wash your hands of the matter.
HI JIM, went to bed at 10 last night and missed a great debate, wish I had stayed up, and you gave a good account of yourself, your debating skills are nearly as good as mine, but not quite,???
I believe that compensation should be sought from the SFA, not Old Club or New Club. The SFA had a duty to obtain and verify documents, if provided (if not provided, why not?) from the licence applicant at the Granting Period. If the SFA were misled, then they should in turn seek compensation from Old Club (liquidators), or if they so decided, New Club (not us Guv etc, different Club, I.e. no continuation lie).
Thank you for the effort you put in yesterday and, despite your magnanimity, I strongly believe that Bankier was being patronising/condescending.
Interesting read on the Pyro debate. It’s interesting that there really isn’t any real debate on this issue. All we usually hear is ‘it’s against the rules’ etc. Maybe having a grown up discussion may lead to a more informed understanding of the issues.
No hard evidence SFA involved but it would have to be Celtic who are avoiding if compensation is due like the plague as are SFA for natural reasons.
I can afford to be magnanimous, I know I’m a better man than he is. That was his shot at trying to equalise.
AULDHEID, cap doffed for standing in for brth HH.
When it boils down to the brass tacks you will be correct, sadly.
I have already done my bit by not contributing to the sham, so I can’t do any more, at least my conscience is clear unlike the many thousands who don’t care, that’s what saddens me the most.
Riley was on holiday when final decision taken not to Appeal LNS.
Howevah one of th reason 5 Way was agreed was an investigation into use of ebts was promisrd as imminent and that became LNS that became a sham that Riley was given evidence of that was ignored.
So is he in the know. 100%
The bit I can’t understand is why the SFA & UEFA did not ask more questions in 2011. Why they did not dig deeper with the submissions. I’m sure I read somewhere that both the SFA & UEFA do not have the time or manpower to go through every single licence application with a fine toothcomb. So all things being equal they are taken at surface value. However, if they think there is a possibility that something may not be quite right they are obliged to look deeper into a submission to play in Europe.
Given all the talk of dodgy things going on around Ibrox, why did they accept without question what was presented to them. Everybody and their dug knew about the wee tax case for instance.?
TET and MIKE, most of them just want to play the rainjurs, and that’s there be all, and end all, sadly.hh,
Call me an old cynic but I think UEFA are just about as much at fault as the SFA in all of this. They have their ears to the ground. They would know about the wee Tax Case. So now UEFA are saying ‘they are not interested’? I wonder why! Move along.
Which is why I would prefer this went to the CAS. Everything would come out in the wash. Including any faults on the part of Rangers. Even although this is not about them!
Uefa will have no reason the doubt the SFA, they will accept what they are told by them, when it becomes obvious that the sfa are corrupt, uefa will do everything in their powers to protect them as it will make them look bad if one of their minions are seen to be corrupt.
Some of Uncle Tom Lennon’s remarks yesterday where enlightening.
In his previous tenure the fans rallied round him when the board threw him to the wolves.
Since his return he has constantly had sly digs at the support and praised the board.
Folks using the same paradigm as Celtic PLC I see it this way.
If Campbell’s change their classic recipe of cream of Mushroom soup by replacing mushrooms with slightly poisonous and cheaper lesser spotted tree bark you wouldnt write letters to the FDA or whomever who have been paid off now would you?
You would stop buying it.
TET, Auldheid would know better than me but I’m sure UEFA have taken clubs to task by over riding local FAs and doing their own detective work.
Back when at University I built a robot that learned human behaviour by observation.
Within a week I had a sexist bigoted racist prick.
My professor more impressed with the achievement when I pressed about the behaviour said
“Climate change will fix that”.
Just to top off a bad week the latest opinion poll has the Tories winning the general election with a very comfortable +60 seat majority. More disappointing is that traditional Labour seats in the North of England are predicted to fall to the Boris led Tories. Only in Scotland do the Tory A holes look as if they may lose seats to the SNP. So there ya have it, goodbye NHS, goodbye Indy ref 2 and if the pollsters are indeed correct it also confirms that the average working class Brit is more motivated by their desire to stop immigration than saving the NHS and workers rights.
Ah feck it all anyway CSC.
For sure, but the letter that uefa sent to the Res 12 boys stated that in light of the huns being liquidated, they couldn’t punish a dead club.
OGLACH, just had a tory leaflet pushed thru my door, went out the back to put it in the bin, and noticed one of the dogs had done his business, so I wrapped it up in the tory leaflet, and put both in the bin, felt great afterwards.?
I had always believed that the brits had more about themselves, seem not, but they will bitch and moan when they can’t afford health care, it will be too late then of course.
How any working man can vote tory is beyond me, it just doesn’t compute with me, mind boggling so it is.
You can’t pay, you will die.
Please stay on script A chara. Only the business was liquidated the Club survived. Isn’t that why Celtic issue match day tickets with Celtic V Rangers printed on them and charge excessive amounts of cash to attend the game. Isn’t that why tens of thousands of Celtic supporters are desperate to get their hands on these tickets? Isn’t that the reason why our majority shareholder bemoaned the fact that ‘Rangers’ had been demoted?
Black Friday indeed.
TET, they are correct of course, but for me it’s not about punishment or compensation. I want it to be exposed what went wrong, And how it can be fixed for the future. If it also reveals as a consequence any culprits and they feel the need to fall on their swords, so be it. Even better would be the growing desire in Scotland to rip the SFA up and start again.
I know what I see and hear and I know what I see and hear is not real, yet it is real, we are due to play a cup final in a week or so against the huns, the whole world know who we are playing and the whole world believe it to be rangers, and guess what, they are correct, it is rangers we are playing and ejits like me who always believed that they died are just that, ejits, why, cos I can not see what is staring me in the face 😉
I know an agree with you 100%, but we both know that turkeys don’t vote for Christmas so the sfa are gonna do everything they can to hold on to the gravy train they are riding, everyone who is involved in the scottish game are compromised, everyone.
Yup everything going as expected
Celtic PLC Old Firm Hun lovers
Most Celtic supporters bigoted hun lovers
Tories will win the next election
Anyone who criticizes Israel’s racist murdering genocide is antisemitic
Trump will be impeached but not removed from office and will run in the next election and might win.
Arms sales around the world not for defence but for murdering their own populations:
Every country in Africa
etc etc etc
Climate change will fix that
I wasn’t at the AGM. However from everything I’ve read over the last 24 hours it must have resembled the final chapter of Animal Farm where the farmyard animals looked through the Windows and couldn’t tell the drunken humans and pigs apart.
I’m seeing very disappointing similarities between our current board and the White/Kelly era. The same contempt for the supporter base, the sickening sense of entitlement and the worry that every decision taken is to suit Desmond and Lawwell and to hell with what’s in the best I interests of the club.
Lawwell didn’t blurt out “we are mere custodians. Guardians of a proud heritage” by any chance did he. That would round things off perfectly!
BTW the reason I’m not a shareholder is because, like thousands, I couldn’t afford to pay £620 for 10 shares on top of my ST, golf membership and bringing up a young family. I would happily have paid £100 for one share but alas that didn’t suit wee Fergus’ model. Perhaps if he’d gone down that route we would have a supporter dominated club and wouldn’t now find ourselves with a Board as far out of touch as the White/Kelly dynasty.
Hillsborough match commander David Duckenfield has been found not guilty of the gross negligence manslaughter of 95 Liverpool fans in the 1989 disaster.