The Rigged Game

Morning,all.

Today was intended as a match review from Saturday,but ATHINGOFBEAUTY and a few others essentially gave their views on it afterwards. I got the impression that a match review from that would be a bummer of a way to start the week,so instead we bring you one of our cherished GUEST ARTICLES. As always,it’s a belter.

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Ever since that first day that my da took me to Parkhead, and lifted me over the turnstile, I fell in love with Celtic Park. Sure I had seen Celtic on Television as a kid, the most notable being The Lisbon Lions triumph-I loved to watch Jinky and big Billy. I remember Jinky would go by a player get kicked, get up, go by him again, get fouled get up, wash rinse repeat, until his opponent kinda died inside, but i was probably just a bit too young to appreciate the once in a lifetime event that I was seeing.

I loved the buzz, the songs, the jungle, the atmosphere, and looking at legends in person, going back to school on Monday and saying “I was there” and re-enacting every minute for the ones who were not.

Most others in my age group have probably seen an abundance of fantastic players come and go through the gates of Celtic park, some of them still greatly loved by Celtic fans, Henrik, Lubo, Danny, Johnny, to name but a few, other talented players not so much, (think: Nicholas or even Judas).

I guess it was between the years 76 and 82 i was old enough to start forming my own opinions on real Celtic men who would bleed green for the club. My two greatest ever Celts, with my Apologies to the Lisbon Lions (as I say, I was probably just too young to fully appreciate them.) were Tommy Burns (as you’ve likely guessed by my moniker) and Paul McStay (The Maestro).

Trust me, if you ever see a better pass in your lifetime of watching Celtic, than the one he plays to Chris Morris to feed Frank McAvennie for his first goal in the Centenary 2-0 game against the doped up Souness’s Rangers, you’ll be very lucky indeed. He was a constant shining star, in some not so great, Celtic sides.

I guess it was around this time also that I started to notice a real deep hatred of all things Celtic, by that Govan mob, and it wasn’t just at Old firm games. I would see it at supposedly neutral venues (it’s like everyone hates us),I would see it at local charity games, where for half time entertainment there would be, at certain venues, a penalty kick contest between 5 Celtic schoolboys and 5 Rangers schoolboys, and these bigots would be screaming at the kids (at kids?) things like “Miss it you dirty fenian b….d, I hope you die !!” It really shocked me, as my family were never like that, it stunned me more so, that nearby police or stewards on hearing this vile abuse never intervened.

The songs make me sick too-how any human being can think of singing a song about some tragedy or family death be it Johnny Doyle, or Jock Stein, or a famine that killed thousands. It just should not be heard in this day and age. Sadly though it was always like this and it will never stop.

I see Gordon Strachan touched on something similar recently, about how at Tynecastle mini huns were threatening his family, and when he asked Scotland’s finest to intervene, the cop told him to “Just watch the game” .. again I find that absolutely mind blowing and makes me sick to the stomach.

I won’t even bother with Scottish referees-in my eyes they are just catastrophically bad at what they do, the Govan mob say the same, which just proves how grossly incompetent they truly are.

A lot has been published recently regarding the Ibrox mob cheating, (what’s new I hear you say) or the SPL, our beloved CEO, the 5Way Agreement and so on. I’m sure the game is rigged and always has been, I’m sure we all suspected it was anyway, and I don’t know how Auldheid Canamalar and the others find the strength to keep highlighting it and pushing for answers. I know i wouldn’t have the drive for it, but I applaud their spirit, and more power to their elbows.

Even though I was brought up to love Celtic, and it is my family tradition, from my dad, from his dad and so on… I kinda took a stance many years ago, and my last attendance at Celtic park was Paul McStay’s testimonial against Man U in 1995.

I reckoned I owed the maestro that much, and as a side note, if our CEO of to-day tried to sell him for big money, he would have been politely told to Fekk OFF!.

Paul was Celtic through and through and would never move, and never did. One of my biggest regrets is, after he finished playing, he never moved on to the coaching staff.

There has been talk recently of boycotts, and sacking CEOs, and fixing fitbaw by emptying Hampden, but I’m not calling for any or all of the above. I still love Celtic and regard them as my club. I miss not going to games, the atmosphere and the buzz, and I still watch the odd Televised game, but not Sky or BT as they can whistle for money too.

I’m just saying that in 1995,I had had enough of the whole stinking charade and decided not to give Scottish football any more of my hard earned money.

That was just the choice I made, and you are free to make yours.

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Above article is by ASWGL,and a very good debut it is too! We always welcome the views of our contributors for Article of the Day,and we always publish. It can be your turn next,simply mail your thoughts to Mahe.

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ASWGL

TYVM for the article,mate. I know I wouldn’t be able to do what you did,and I admire your stance. There are others I know-guys who rarely missed a game,btw!-who have taken the same path,albeit they took it around 2012 as a protest at the zombification of the game,and what they saw as our part in it.

I personally don’t think that a boycott like yours is the way forward. Equally,I’m aware that by turning up every week,we are simply encouraging the Status Quo. And that’s a circle I can’t square,no matter how hard I try. Maybe it’s time for a new approach,but that is itself fraught with difficulty,given the fault lines and distrust that exist on each side.

I know that AULDHEID and others have long said that the game in Scotland will get nowhere without its own version of South Africa’s post-apartheid Truth and Reconciliation Commission. This approached the thorny issue of blame and punishment for crimes committed under a previous regime-which generally weren’t crimes at the time,even if they would have been anywhere else. Essentially it was declared that there would be no blame and there would be no punishment. Just a desire to discover the truth,the causes,compensate the victims and move on in a new,open and free environment.

I have long agreed with him that it is the only way forward for the game in Scotland-but that for it to work,everyone would have to WANT it to work. Like they did in South Africa 25 years ago. I’m now coming round to thinking that it might be the only way forward for Celtic too.

But can you see our board coming forward and saying-Hands up,we fucked up. We need to talk about how it happened,the lessons to be learnt,and how to go forward as a united entity,board and fans all on the same side.

I’d take that offer,because I don’t like the alternatives. I think most of us would. But I very much doubt that the board will make it.

They should.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

ASWGL

I knew I’d seen an article-as opposed to a comment-about the game being rigged. Worth a look.

https://www.sfm.scot/resolution-12-the-broken-bond/

big packy

ASWGL, great article straight from the heart, my first game was against airdrie at parkhead mid sixties, we won 9-0 frank haffey missed a penalty, like you I cant watch them at the minute, nothing against the team, its that freemason tory board that sickens me to my stomach, here is where I disagree with bobby, we need to boycott, otherwise them tory bassas will think they can do what they like, we need the green brigade on board in this,.IMHO. hh.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

BIGPACKY

The Green Brigade are probably best placed to bring the youngsters on board. The site keeps in contact with certain other sites and individuals. We have tried,very hard have we tried,to get a response from the Green Brigade

They have no interest in Res 12. Never a banner. Never a tweet. An occasional hit on company policy aside,they are becoming mainstream. If they aren’t interested in helping us fight the corruption that riddles the game,how can they consider themselves to be ULTRAS?

Saturday’s banner,though worthy,was a recognition of St Rochs. It’s hardly a SACK THE BOARD moment

big packy

BOBBY, fair comment, if the green brigade are not interested then where do we go from here, they are the lifeblood of the club, so are they just going to take it on the chin?

big packy

aff oot dugwalking catch u later.hh.

The Gombeen Man

ASWGL,

A great post and you highlight the dilemma that many of us face. This weekend’s disclosure of the alleged e mail from Neil Doncaster on the 26th July 2012 highlights the point.

Is it a fake? Who knows? If it’s genuine. Why the ambiguity?

Yesterday in my capacity as a very small shareholder I decided…’e mail
or write to the club and ask them.’

Anyway I had a look for addresses and without making any accusation against anyone, I eventually decided, ‘Why bother?’

I’d thought ‘copy in Mr Lawwell, Mr Bankier and Michael Nicholson.This is damaging and needs clarification.’

According to Mr Nicholson’s LinkedIn profile he became our Director of Legal and Football Affairs in December of 2019.

He joined us from Harper MacLeod in March of 2013 as secretary to the PLC.

Mr Nicholson’s career started at Harper McLeod in 1998. In his distinguished time there he served as solicitor and partner.

On a completely unrelated point the name Harper McLeod was ringing a bell.

I looked at the alleged e mail again and noted that another addressee, Rod McKenzie, was also employed by Harper McLeod at the time.

Mr McKenzie later represented the SPL at the Nimmo Smith enquiry the following January, 2013.

Rod McKenzie moved from Harper McLeod to an in house position at the SPFL in January of 2018.

It’s important to stress I’m not pointing a finger. Coincidences do happen and Glasgow is a very small place.

Eventually I switched on the Shrewsbury v Liverpool game and how I wish I’d walked away years ago.

The Gombeen Man

BMCUWP’S,

I’ve noticed that every supporters organisation that develops any kind of dialogue with the PLC seems to go frustratingly quiet.
CQN, Green Brigade, Celtic Trust, CSC.

I gather some are restricted by their constitution.

The Trust had a re-launch at the weekend, I wonder what happened.

Anyway, it’s a trend I’ve noticed.

Till Later,

Estadio Nacional

Stumbled upon this via CelticRumours tweet, good to see so many old (in CQN terms 😉 CQN posters. Hope alls well. Added this site to my reading list.

Libero

ASWGL – thanks for the memories and share of where you’ve got to in your Celtic journey.
Made me recall one of my first games w my very quiet and calm Uncle John. Sung his heart out at every song incl every reb tune, and pointed out a young debutant wi ginger hair who he predicted would go on to become the legend that is Tommy Burns. Mibby earliest cogent memory for me of a fave player was Luigi Macari – Lou, Lou Super Lou…

Whispers Brendan will let Benky go from the King Power, so Q…would you let us transfer Kris A to Brendan for 15mill now, and take Filip as a loaner with a view to a permanent in the summer ?

Auldheid

The Gombeen Man

ASWGL,
A great post and you highlight the dilemma that many of us face. This weekend’s disclosure of the alleged e mail from Neil Doncaster on the 26th July 2012 highlights the point.
Is it a fake? Who knows? If it’s genuine. Why the ambiguity?
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Where is the ambiguity coming from?

jimthetim53

Very good article ASWGL.
btw, what does ASWGL stand for?

Gordon64

Surprised there was no mention on Sportscene of Aribo’s classic kick off to himself after Liam Boyce’s goal. ?

ASWGL

Thank you all, i have enjoyed so many previous and well thought out articles on this site, (and not board backed propaganda nonsense like another site), and thought I’d see if i could contribute at least once, and pass something off as an article, that a blind man running for a bus might mistake as one.

jimthetim53
Very good article ASWGL.
btw, what does ASWGL stand for?

Jim, It’s a statement a true gentleman named Thomas Burns once declared, that he was…

“A Supporter Who Got Lucky”

Best regards

HH

jimthetim53

Thanks ASWGL, I’ve heard that a thousand times just never made the connection with your moniker! It’s my age 🙂

The Gombeen Man

Auldheid,

I’m sure a straightforward statement from Celtic Plc will clear up any ambiguity.

Is it genuine or fraud?

If genuine…

Was it opened?

Did Celtic Plc make any reply?

You know, straightforward unambiguous stuff.

Big Audio Dynamite

I had dipped out long before the end of the game on the 29th and have not looked at it since. This morning I decided to watch their celebrations at the final whistle… wow!

Were they celebrating the title? Was Gerrard crying?! Wtf was that all about? Very telling.

jimthetim53

B.A.D. Think of it as a back handed compliment to Celtic! 🙂

Big Audio Dynamite

Jim, I did 😉

Con

Haven’t returned to Celtic Park since 2012.

Any fan who turns up, pays for Sky/BT is providing a platform for Continuation Myth and corrupt SFA/Lawell to thrive.

They can have no complaints, they knew what they signed up for on taking up a season ticket.

Albert Kidd

Great article. I chucked it in 2012 although I’ve been to a few games over the years. I really miss going but cant bring myself to join in the charade either.
The corruption within our game is poisonous and sadly I think Celtic have been involved in some of it which explains their silent stance on most things. This, along with a point blank refusal to stick up for the fans or the club leads me to believe the SPL/SPFL and SFA have something on the Celtic board that ,if known, the fans would not accept and revolt.

Nothing makes any sense why Celtic let themselves be walked over continually.

Nothing except money!!!

Come back Fergus, we need a leader. The revolution WILL be televised.

Gordon64
Gordon64

Some recent posts remind me of the U.S. Major who said after the battle of Ben Tre during the Vietnam war “It became necessary to destroy the town to save it”. ?

The Gombeen Man

Auldheid,

Further to my post at 11.09,

No doubt Mr McKenzie will be able to assist Mr Doncaster clear up any ambiguities too.

https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/spfl-appoints-new-legal-advisers

Big Audio Dynamite

Funny how every time Sevco have a bad result, Southampton magically appear in the paper, linked to our players. Soooo predictable!

Nothing warns the cockles of my heart more than hurting huns. GIRFUY, ya cheating b@stards!

McCaff

Con
Haven’t returned to Celtic Park since 2012.

Any fan who turns up, pays for Sky/BT is providing a platform for Continuation Myth and corrupt SFA/Lawell to thrive.

They can have no complaints, they knew what they signed up for on taking up a season ticket.
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Morning all,
I’ve had my seat since the stadium reopened in ’95. I’ve often thought about not renewing my ticket. The main reason has usually been due to the junk we’ve put up with on the pitch. But, honestly I just can’t seem to bring myself to do it. I love the Club and the team too much to do it. I reckon every one of the guys and girls on here today will be on it tomorrow and the next day and so on it goes…for the same reason I can’t give up my ticket!! I started taking my son to the games in 2012 because he was starting to become interested. He’s 14 next week and we can now dissect tactics and moves, substitutions etc and sometimes the time we have together BECAUSE OF CELTIC is worth more than the cost of the season tickets. These days will go through life with him and my hope is that he will have a son of his own to enjoy Celtic the way I do.
I pay for SKY Sports and only because I’m too lazy to cancel it, to my shame. I believe The Rangers are a new club. I despise the SFA more the older I get. I think despite the crap Lawell has been an exceptional signing by Desmond and on reflection in years to come, these times will be regarded as golden times. Think of the first 9 In A Row, Stein was treated abysmally by the Club afterwards but we remember the good times first. We may be unable to ever resolve our current feuds with how the game is run both at Club and National level but we should ALWAYS support the team. To remind us all of the great man’s oft-quoted saying “Football is nothing without fans.”.
By the way ASWGL, great read!

McCaff

…I forgot to say also that after every game I tell him to hurry up and turn 18 so that he can take me for a pint after the games cos I’m fed up going straight home! 😉

Gordon64

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6GLoKkkCtY Radicalise the moderates- Four Lions ?

jimthetim53

McCaff LOL 🙂 Only 4 years to wait (or two/three if he’s tall for his age!)

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McCAFF

Fair play to you,mate. You won’t see me calling for the fans to boycott STs-because I know I’d be going every week if I still lived back home! And that’s the problem-that so many of us want to make our voices heard,but that the only way to do so damages the club and severs connections with family and friends,quality time for so many.

I just can’t square the circle,or find an alternative to an unwanted-by me,at least-nuclear option. You’d need The Wisdom of Solomon. But sadly,I think both sides would take half a baby each. Just because.

Oglach

The Celtic dichotomy and how to unite an increasingly disparate support base?

A start would be. Leadership from the current custodians, full and open discussions with supporters groups, telling the truth to shareholders, an end to treating the support as cash cows. An end to supporting the continuation myth.
Will this happen – not a chance as long as the cash keeps rolling in.

Now , in my opinion, one can not rationalise a professed love of Celtic FC with continuing to finance the current corrupt ‘rigged’ entity that masquerades as Scottish top flight football. Wouldn’t a love of Celtic FC and all things pertaining to that (our origins the struggles and success of an immigrant people establishing themselves in a new country despite open hostility, religious based hatred and racism directed at them by the establishment of their adopted home) mean that to discover that the very entity you hold so dear has In fact colluded with those that hold nothing but enmity toward you and your kin all in order to maintain the dividends and profits of the major shareholders – you should be just a wee bit angry?
The very fact that the board of Celtic FC- in your name – has, allegedly, openly aided the resurrection of the ‘Old firm’ and all that entails, has also openly allowed the continuation myth to survive to a degree where it is no longer questioned – by default Rangers 1872 and The Rangers 2012 are one and the same, a board that sits and does nothing when the fans and players of the club are subjected to falsehood and fake news from the Scottish media yet barely a squeak from our very highly remunerated board.
Now as someone who has professed a love for Celtic FC shouldn’t all that enrage you? Shouldn’t you as a Celtic fan do something to try and change that? Albeit it may just prove to be a futile gesture in the end but at least you had the moral fortitude to make a stand to defend something you and generations of your family held dear.
Isn’t saying I know it is rigged but I am going to continue to finance this a betrayal of generations of Celtic supporters? How do you reconcile supporting the resurrection of the ‘old firm’, when you and your family are subjected to the famine song, the billy boys and all those other cultural ditties when you know our custodians have either aided the re birth of the old firm or at best did nothing to prevent it happening all for the sake of cash. Can it be reconciled or is it just shrugged off as ‘ feck all to do with me”?

To, again, misquote an article from another blog. ” I will happily lose any part of Celtic that is reliant on Rangers”

m6bhoy

McCaff, I do understand your predicament as I remember the joys of regularly driving up from the West Midlands with my sons so they could see their granny, granda, aunts, uncles and cousins and of course, Celtic. Till the day I die I will never forget my experience in Seville with my eldest son and we even got a mention in one of the many books written to mark that occasion. Up until about five/six years ago, I still went to matches with them and they were old enough to go for post-match beers which I had to pay for because they were hard-up students. I honestly don’t know what I would do in your current situation with regard to going to matches because of the bonding thing between you and your son and I’m glad I’m not in your position. Have you tried talking to your son and seeing how he feels. Perhaps a compromise would be to not to renew your season tickets but choose matches on a game by game basis or boycott all Scottish cup matches no matter who the opponents are. Either way, you have to let the board know that you are deeply unhappy with the way they are turning the club into the green half of the Old Firm brand.

big packy

OGLACH, well said great post, I concur with every word, our forefathers will be turning in ther graves right now, to think our board colluded with them orange freemason bassas, words just fail me.hh.

I was taken to my first game at celtic park season 60/61 by one of my neighbours, Mr Rab Hendry when I stayed in Old Dunn Street Bridgeton, I was down the back having a kick about with other kids, My late dad called me from the window to come up the stairs, Thinking that I had done something wrong, So as I went in the door Mr Hendry was already in the house, Then my dad hit out with, How would you like to go and see Celtic, I was stunned for a few seconds, Then my dad said Mr Hendry wants to take you with him to go and watch Celtic, Obviously I jumped at the idea couldn’t wait to get out the door because this would have been my first ever Game, Celtic were playing Kilmarnock and the bhoys were playing in there all Green football Strip, Just slightly unsure of the result, But I think we won the game and as they say the rest is history, I am of pension age now myself, Have seen so many good times and the not so good times, My favourite place was the old jungle, Just because of the atmosphere but at times honestly you couldn’t move and at that time games against then the old Ran’k’ers and European nights were magic just magic, I remember when I skipped into Celtic Park to see 2 European games (ie) Vojvodina & Benfica, I was hiding under an old piece of plastic covering inside the ground, Obviously I had been spotted and felt really gutted thinking that I would be put out the ground, But low and behold I was taken to one of the old turnstiles told to stay their and make my way into the stadium when it was time to open the doors to let the supporters through, Honestly this happened to me not once but twice, I remember another time when I was around 13yrs/14yrs of age, Waiting outside the turnstile trying to get a lift over, There was a few supporters entering around the turnstile area, I remember saying to them Mr any chance of getting a lift over, His reply was amazing he said (ffs) Son you are nearly as big as me and the other supporters had heard this guy say this and they all burst out with laughter, I couldn’t hold back my smile, But at the same time was wondering if I was going to get a lift over the turnstile, But low and behold I got my lift over, Even the elderly gentleman inside the turnstile hit out with, Son you have made my day, Something that I shall never ever forget, Other European teams that came to play our great club, Like as Real Madrid, Benfica, Vojvodina, Dukla Prague, Leeds United great team of their era at Hampden, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Those Dirty Animals (ie) Athletico Madrid, What they had done to our very own, The Greatest Ever Celt, Wee Jimmy (Jinky) Johnstone was criminal, pure criminal, They kicked Wee Jimmy black and blue, They might have tripped, Pushed & Kicked the Wee man to the ground, Wee jimmy would not react he got up got the ball used his trickery put the ball through their legs and said see you later and just smiled at them, That was wee jimmy that’s what he done his dribbling skills were just something else, Then we had won the league 9 In a Row, Then on the 25th May 1967 Under The Management of The Boss Mr Jock Stein We went to face one of the greatest teams in european football, The Mighty Italians Inter Milan, We played and had beaten them 2-1, They scored first a Penalty taken by their captain Mazzola, Then we scored a thunderous strike by Tommy Gemmell to make it 1-1, Then late in the game Stevie Chalmers scored to make it 2-1 For the Bhoys, Then The referee blew his whistle to end the game, Then we became European Cup Champions, The First British/Scottish Team To Do So, It was then our Lisbon Lions were born, Also our great Manager Mr Jock (The Boss) Stein Became {Immortal} This was said by another great scotsman the Late great Mr Bill Shankly Ex-Liverpool Manager, Also another great night when the buses were on strike so had to walk to the game and back home after the game, This was the league decider against the old Ran’k’ers at Celtic Park, We had The late great Johnny Doyle ordered off and we played with 10 men, I was in the jungle and honestly thought that we may have blown our chance of becoming scottish champions, But low and behold we eventually went 3-2 up then we got a late free kick at the Celtic end of the ground far side, The ball was put on the ground and wee Murdo McLeod had taken a short run up to the ball, The ball was quite literally rocketed into the back of the net and the jungle and all around Parkhead the whole place erupted with joy and jubilation, What a goal what a free by murdo the game ended and it was then the song emblazoned all around the stadium, 10 Men Won The League, The down side of it all was, It wasn’t shown on television because of a blackout, But you had to be their to witness just what had taken place and this fantastic piece of scottish history was and is engrained in every Celtic Supporter, Also the centenary double was done and what a great fantastic fete that was, I know we had another 2 European Finals, One 1970 & 1983, Also we had a European Cup Semi Final at Parkhead again the mighty Italians, Inter Milan, Which went to penalty kicks and we went out on Penalty Kicks, Now even more recent we have been Double/Treble Scottish Champions, When we became known not only as champions but {Invincibles}, Now again we are going for 9 In A Row Scottish Premier League Champions And again now going for 《Quadruple SPL, SLC & Scottish Cup 2019/20 History Making Champions》But Yet Undisputed Again》 We Have The Greatest Manager, Backroom Staff, Chairman, With Scott Brown Our Great Team Captain & The Rest Of Our Bhoys, Also With The Greatest Supporters In The World, Wherever They Are & Whatever They Are Doing, God Bless Each And Everyone & Everything Connected To Our Great Club, Remember Celtic Supporters Are Not Manufactured It Comes From Within, As the song says, We are Celtic Supporters faithful through and through, Win Lose Or Draw Draw We’ll Support You Evermore, Also remember our shirts don’t fit any inferior players and football without the supporters is nothing. YOU’LL NEVER WALK ALONE.

The Gombeen Man

John,

A great post, no doubting Celtic is in your DNA.
If this is your first post, welcome aboard.

I remember getting lifts too and going round the old supporters shop before the game looking for new badges.

HH

jimthetim53

Packy, going up to the Co-op shopping. Any suggestions?

McCaff

JtT @12.40

He’s toaty so it’ll be the full 4 years for me;(

jimthetim53

McCaff, I started to sprout at 15. By the time I was 18 I was 6ft. tall. 🙂

I started drinking in a local social club at 17. My mother worked in it! She reckoned she would prefer to see me drinking there so she could keep an eye on me. LOL

big packy

JIM, get a bottle of Drambuie, a mothers pride square loaf, half pound of square sausage, and a mince pie and a bridie, that’s you sorted?

jimthetim53

Packy I kinda thought you were going to say that! LOL 🙂

Margaret McGill
McCaff

JtT….I’m 5′ 7”, his mother is 5′ on her tiptoes!! If he turns out to be a 6-footer I’ll be lookimg for DNA tests and compensation for aw the season tickets I’ve bought him!!! :0 :0 :0 :0

big packy

JIM,get me a bottle of Drambuie while your there, the uber tim will pay, he owes me half a crown since 1971.?

The Gombeen Man

Mags,

Great news. Please let him no be wan a them projects.

ASWGL

Bobby I meant to say thanks for the link you posted, I’ve tried that several times to-day, but the site seems to be down.

I’ve bookmarked it to try later

HH

JimmynotPaul

Celtic Trust had their AGM at the weekend.
Some new blood voted on, I wonder how it will pan out.
Could be interesting.

JimmynotPaul

A good lead and some good posts today.
A good read, all round.

The Gombeen Man

Thinking about this attachment to cultural conditioning and the easily we are fleeced and keep going back to a rigged game reminded me of a talk by Anthony De Mello.

It might be of some interest to some men in suits too…

De Mello was a Jesuit and psychotherapist.

“What I’m about to say will sound a bit pompous, but it’s true. What is coming could be the most important minutes in your lives. If you could grasp this, you’d hit upon the secret of awakening. You would be happy forever. You would never be unhappy again. Nothing would have the power to hurt you again. I mean that, nothing. It’s like when you throw black paint in the air, the air remains uncontaminated. You never color the air black. No matter what happens to you, you remain uncontaminated. You remain at peace. There are human beings who have attained this, what I call being human. Not this nonsense of being a puppet, jerked about this way and that way, letting events or other people tell you how to feel. So you proceed to feel it and you call it being vulnerable. Ha! I call it being a puppet. So you want to be a puppet? Press a button and you’re down; do you like that? But if you refuse to identify with any of those labels, most of your worries cease.

Later we’ll talk about fear of disease and death, but ordinarily you’re worried about what’s going to happen to your career. A small-time businessman, fifty-five years old, is sipping beer at a bar somewhere and he’s saying, “Well, look at my classmates, they’ve really made it.” The idiot! What does he mean, “They made it”? They’ve got their names in the newspaper. Do you call that making it? One is president of the corporation; the other has become the Chief Justice; somebody else has become this or that. Monkeys, all of them.

Who determines what it means to be a success? This stupid society! The main preoccupation of society is to keep society sick! And the sooner you realize that, the better. Sick, every one of them. They are loony, they’re crazy. You became president of the lunatic asylum and you’re proud of it even though it means nothing. Being president of a corporation has nothing to do with being a success in life. Having a lot of money has nothing to do with being a success in life. You’re a success in life when you wake up! Then you don’t have to apologize to anyone, you don’t have to explain anything to anyone, you don’t give a damn what anybody thinks about you or what anybody says about you. You have no worries; you’re happy. That’s what I call being a success. Having a good job or being famous or having a great reputation has absolutely nothing to do with happiness or success. Nothing! It is totally irrelevant. All he’s really worried about is what his children will think about him, what the neighbors will think about him, what his wife will think about him. He should have become famous. Our society and culture drill that into our heads day and night. People who made it! Made what?! Made asses of themselves. Because they drained all their energy getting something that was worthless. They’re frightened and confused, they are puppets like the rest. Look at them strutting across the stage. Look how upset they get if they have a stain on their shirt. Do you call that a success? Look at how frightened they are at the prospect they might not be reelected. Do you call that a success? They are controlled, so manipulated. They are unhappy people, they are miserable people. They don’t enjoy life. They are constantly tense and anxious. Do you call that human? And do you know why that happens? Only one reason: They identified with some label. They identified the “I” with their money or their job or their profession. That was their error.

Did you hear about the lawyer who was presented with a plumber’s bill? He said to the plumber, “Hey, you’re charging me two hundred dollars an hour. I don’t make that kind of money as a lawyer.” The plumber said, “I didn’t make that kind of money when I was a lawyer either!” You could be a plumber or a lawyer or a business man or a priest, but that does not affect the essential “I.” It doesn’t affect you. If I change my profession tomorrow, it’s just like changing my clothes. I am untouched. Are you your clothes? Are you your name? Are you your profession? Stop identifying with them. They come and go.

When you really understand this, no criticism can affect you. No flattery or praise can affect you either. When someone says, “You’re a great guy,” what is he talking about? He’s talking about “me,” he’s not talking about “I.” “I” is neither great nor small. “I” is neither successful nor a failure. It is none of these labels. These things come and go. These things depend on the criteria society establishes. These things depend on your conditioning. These things depend on the mood of the person who happens to be talking to you right now. It has nothing to do with “I.” “I” is none of these labels. “Me” is generally selfish, foolish, childish — a great big ass. So when you say, “You’re an ass,” I’ve known it for years! The conditioned self — what did you expect? I’ve known it for years. Why do you identify with him? Silly! That isn’t “I,” that’s “me.”

Do you want to be happy? Uninterrupted happiness is uncaused. True happiness is uncaused. You cannot make me happy. You are not my happiness. You say to the awakened person, “Why are you happy?” and the awakened person replies, “Why not?”

Happiness is our natural state. Happiness is the natural state of little children, to whom the kingdom belongs until they have been polluted and contaminated by the stupidity of society and culture. To acquire happiness you don’t have to do anything, because happiness cannot be acquired. Does anybody know why? Because we have it already. How can you acquire what you already have? Then why don’t you experience it? Because you’ve got to drop something. You’ve got to drop illusions. You don’t have to add anything in order to be happy; you’ve got to drop something. Life is easy, life is delightful. It’s only hard on your illusions, your ambitions, your greed, your cravings. Do you know where these things come from? From having identified with all kinds of labels!”

Oglach

Ismaila Soro has signed for Celtic on a four-and-a-half-year deal from Israeli side Bnei Yehuda.

Not sure if we will see too much of him this season given Lenny has already said that initially we shouldn’t expect too much from him.

Anywho, Céad míle fáilte Ismalia

big packy

OGLACH, is this another project or the real deal?