Money Corrupts

It’s a truth that money corrupts. Where there’s a coin to be made you’ll always find shady goings on. It’s the same the world over and I expect will always be thus.

In ’94 we welcomed The Bunnet’s honesty, and rightly so! He allowed us to buy shares at a time when that would only have been a pipe-dream for ordinary fans. He gave us our Club back, mentally and physically. Some of us made a wee profit on those shares, some of us still have them…some of us were lucky enough to do both. He told us his plan, we accepted it but then couldn’t understand his reticence to match the spending from the other side of the city. Fergus sold up, made a tidy profit and wished us all the best. Some begrudged him the Flag that stopped 10 but not me! I regarded Fergus as our Saviour and still do. We wanted Fergus to match Murray in the transfer markets but Fergus understood we couldn’t. We didn’t understand it until the Wee Tax Case and the Big Tax Case and Downfall and RangersTaxCase and all the stuff we know now.

And Fergus was right. On loads of stuff. He took on the SFA and won. He got rid of Farry and we foolishly thought that was the start of something new, a new equality. Indeed, his good work laid the foundation for where we are today. Both on and off the park. In the Boardroom and on the terraces. Other than the Stein era we’ve never had it so good. But success is not guaranteed. Football is cyclical. Which is why the current Board need to stand up for what is right. Morally and legally. The Rangers are flying at the moment, well until Sunday when Hearts took the game to them!

They’re flying because Fergus left the corporates in charge. Desmond doesn’t give a toss about the SPFL. Nor about the SFA. Nor any form of The Rangers. He cares about money. Lots of it. That’s why he’s here. He knows we can make him money. We know it, too, but we don’t care as long as we’re successful. We wanted Fergus to match Murray in the transfer markets but Fergus understood we couldn’t. We didn’t understand it until the Wee Tax Case and the Big Tax Case and Downfall and RangersTaxCase and all the stuff we know now. We hated their success under Souness and Smith and Advocaat, not just because of their football but because of the outward expressions of superiority. They were relentless in the late 80s and 90’s with their Harry Enfield Loadsamoney shite! They were unbeatable, they had half the England team due to the English League European ban FFS!! But we were there, anyway, supporting our team, because that’s who we are. Faithful through and through, irrespective of who runs our Club.

We welcomed the demise of Rangers due to their mismanagement, and I’d welcome it again tomorrow. But would Lawell, or Desmond? That was rhetorical, we all know the answer! Money corrupts. What can we do? Oglach is right to say by attending games and paying into the corporations that support the game we are part of the problem. I get it.

But the alternative is harder to take, we all love our team and football. It’s why we’re on this site after all. We can only punish the Club by boycotts but what would our intended endgame be? Integrity of the Board? Ongoing Honesty from the Board? Openness from the Board? A new Board? Are the factions at play behind the scenes, seemingly against the interests of our Shareholders, missing something? Is there a long-term strategy at play? Would it harm the Club in the long-term if the truth came out? Does the Board know something we don’t? Are the Board playing a long game? But, here’s the big question…does it matter?

Fergus chose Desmond, not the other way round. Fergus saw a long game player. He knew there was money to be made over time and Desmond understood. We signed our Dividend rights away thinking everyone did. Except Desmond. He never signed his away. He has done well out of us. But in the time he’s been here so have we, as a Club. Is it wrong? Is he entitled to his return…well I suppose but only as much as the next shareholder…who forfeited his right to a dividend because he was told it was to be reinvested to build the Club further. Were we sold a dummy, probably. But we didn’t really care because it’s our team and we want success.

We are not insignificant. We are the cash cow. We always have been and always will be. It’s hard to accept because you want to feel special. You want to feel needed. You want to feel you are a part of the success. It’s YOUR Club! You are part of it’s history, you are it’s present and you and your kin are absolutely it’s future. Without you the Club is nothing. And those bastards know it!! And even although I know Oglach is right, and even although I knew the Rebels were right in the 90s, I can’t stop going. I love them too much!

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BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 28, 2020 6:25 am

McCAFF

A brave first article,oul’ son. You’ll certainly have your backers and your naysayers on this one! As I said yesterday,I would find it difficult to support a boycott,for pretty much the same reasons you suggest.

(How can you support a boycott? That’s an oxymoron!)

Another problem is that they can call our bluff,or they can simply stare us out. They’ve got millions in the bank for that. And some old banners that they can bring back into use. I think that they have us by the balls,in truth. I’m certainly struggling to think of a form of protest that will get under their skin. And I’m usually good at that sort of thing,me being an argumentative b…..d.

Thing is though-they’ve been taking the piss for six or seven transfer windows in a row. We’ve watched the quality on offer diminish dramatically in that time,and dissent growing. We’ve been accused by our own chairman of being racists. We’ve witnessed intransigence and obstruction over Res 12 and read of the possibility of our CEO having broken City regulations in a reply to a shareholders at the AGM. Etc,etc,etc.

And guess what? They’re still all in situ. Is it any wonder I’m struggling to think of a form of protest that will get under their skin?

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 28, 2020 6:35 am

This post really is for REBUS67,but I suspect it might interest a few others.

You may remember that Bob Dylan did a pretty poor covers album in 1970,Self Portrait. On it,there was a song called Belle Isle. I thought it was about a local golf course in Ayr,but apparently it’s an old Newfoundland folk song. Turns out there were another two verses to it,not in the Dylan version.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=75dod-kg-v0

Steve Harley, the oul’ Rebel that he is,is now doing his own covers album. On it he includes Belle Isle,with all the verses.

Duetting with Eddi Reader!

She gets about for a lass from Irvine…

Twists n turns
January 28, 2020 7:13 am

Bobby
You talk of the transfer window, and of difficult arguments?

Well here’s an argument that I’m having with myself.

I withdrew my financial support this season. Why? For the reason that has been put forward, repeatedly, here and in many other forums. We believe the only way to rid ourselves of this board is to starve then out.

The reality is, it’s a flawed strategy. Why? Cause it won’t gain enough support to succeed. Again, the reasons it won’t gain that support has been put forward here and elsewhere with equal regularity. McCaff has touched on it again in his article .

My problem now? The transfer window. I like many others who have chosen the removal of funding as our weapon of choice, are still moaning like fff with the lack of activity in the transfer market. When I thought about it though, why am I and others who no longer attend moaning??

The only way this board will come under pressure is failure to secure the title. If you believe that to be true, then the lack of transfer market activity should be welcomed. Right? So why am I and others moaning? We should be celebrating every £ saved to the balance sheet.

We should be welcoming every point we drop in the hope that it will drive more of the support to take up our stance and stop the financial support.

The problem with that of course is the consequence that for every £ we save and point we drop, the beneficiaries are guess who? Where does the title end up? CL qualification for?

How the fff can I welcome that?

Therein lies the argument going on in my head.

I want the board out. I’m stopping funding. I realise that alone won’t succeed. They need to fail on the pitch to come under pressure. The weaker the side we field and the less we spend on players makes that more likely. Failure on the pitch. I don’t want that either.

FFS – what a dilemma. What a fkn mess.

( which probably makes no sense to most but I know what I mean regardless of the ham fisted way I’ve tried to put it in words!)

fergusslayedtheblues
January 28, 2020 7:17 am

For me , I Have came to the realisation that our board are just hoping the supporters fighting for the truth would just shut up and take their seats .
If I am judging them by their actions then for me they are up to their necks with ALL that has gone on in the Scottish WWF for who knows how long .
If your looking for an honest game ,if your looking for a level playing field and if your looking for any objections to the bias we witness on a weekly basis ,then your watching the wrong movie .
I would expect a certain club to cheat
I would expect a certain governing body to aide them in that cheating
I never expected to be sitting here thinking that the club I love could be party to it .

Twists n turns
January 28, 2020 7:20 am

As an add on to my last post, there’s at least one person, in the shape of PL, who, if he read my post, would understand exactly what I’m saying, and, it’ll have him rubbing his hands in delight.

Therein lies the biggest problem.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 28, 2020 7:27 am

FERGUSSLAYEDTHEBLUES

Powerful. The last line reads like utter disillusion,or a boot in the baws.

And it is.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 28, 2020 7:34 am

TWISTSNTURNS

Exactly. Can you imagine that lot with bragging rights?

No Celtic supporter in their right mind ever wants us to lose games,drop points,get knocked out of this or that cup. None at all would ever want us to lose the league. Yet there’s a hardcore belief that criticising the running of the club marks you down as a hunlover at best?

We’ve been watching Celtic for over a century between us-I know,scary innit?-and I’ve never turned up wanting us to get beat. What we always want is for Celtic to be the best that they can be,but sadly we don’t think that can be achieved under the current administration.

And having got that far,we hit a brick wall. Nowhere to go.

fergusslayedtheblues
January 28, 2020 7:38 am

TAT
IIRC the last time they needed CL cash CW(excluded ) was the infamous Willow flood window .

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 28, 2020 7:48 am

FERGUSSLAYEDTHEBLUES

Yes,the more we think about that,the more questions are raised. I touched on it a few days ago in an article. One last piece of the jigsaw to finish them off for good. We got a cornflake,a sacrificial lamb who would never fit into the picture. We lost a bloody good manager too,one who could deal with pragmatism better than a purist like me could. Left without a job to go to.

We will never know the why,not for sure. But I think we’ve identified the when.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 28, 2020 7:50 am

Bestaluck to my best pal,SOLKITTS. He knows why.

Suffice to say he’s hoping to get the all-clear from the clinic shortly!

big packy
January 28, 2020 8:06 am

SOLKITTS, best of luck.hh.

McCaff
January 28, 2020 8:13 am

Thanks BMCUWP, but this is my second article. Sorry the last one left no impression!! ??

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 28, 2020 8:21 am

McCAFF

Aw,f..k!

In my defence,some of the guest articles get sent to me,some to Mahe. Eh,that’s no defence at all?!!! Oh,ok. So apologies then!

Anyway,keep firing them in. Can’t have too many contributors,it keeps the site fresh.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
January 28, 2020 8:32 am

This is a powerful article from e-Tims yesterday. Read to the end,and get angry.

http://etims.net/?p=15185

Sol Kitts
January 28, 2020 8:49 am

BMCUWP and Big Packy
Thanks lads. The op on my knee doesn’t bother me, it’s not being able to eat for the next 6 hours that’s doing my head in ??.
Still no response from the SFA. I’ll give them till the weekend then go over their heads.

m6bhoy
January 28, 2020 10:35 am

Good article McCaff and like I said yesterday, I can understand your reasons for not wanting to give up. However, I keep reading the line from some supporters that somehow life would be so empty if it wasn’t for Celtic and going to matches with your mates and/or family. There was a time when the the rhythm of my life was almost totally dictated by the Celtic calendar to the extent I would do anything else if it clashed with a match-day. When I moved out of Glasgow, my regular family trips home always had to coincide with a home match otherwise the trip up the motorway would have been all the harder to endure. Within my wider family, I was regarded as the most uber of Celtic supporters who commitment to the team was unconditional.

I’m not quite sure when that all started to change but I did used to run my youngest son’s youth football team and their matches often clashed with live Celtic matches on the telly. At first, I tried to get the lads football games re-arranged making up all sort of cock-in bull stories for doing so. This became increasingly difficult to do so I just had to put up with missing the live Celtic matches. At first, this was a real bind and I often found myself standing on the touchline of my son’s match more concerned about how Celtic were doing. However, this quickly changed to the extent I was more upset if his/our team lost than if Celtic did. It was then I realised there were more important things in life than slavishly following a professional football team. I no longer run that boys team but do have many more interests (e.g cycling and playing fives, etc.) that I’d rather do than pay to watch a game that I now realise is as rigged as WWE wrestling. Like most drugs, it is difficult to give up to begin with but once you have it is strangely liberating. At least, I found it so.

McCaff
January 28, 2020 11:17 am

M6Bhoy
I totally get it. I still try to play 5s, on a Sunday afternoon, I’d rather play than watch always! Except for special games like The Rangers. I take my boy’s team too, but they are a Sat morn kick off which allows me to see the ‘Tic if, big IF, they are a Sat 3pm kick off. I wouldn’t class myself a super fan but I have been going for a long, long time and as I said yesterday I’ve had the same seat since CP reopened. I’m absolutely against giving up my seat although I have considered it a few times over the years. As other guys have said here and elsewhere we are being shit on from a great height at the moment and the practical answer is to stop the money flow…but that is impossible without harming the team. And really, when we’re serious about 10 in a Row never mind 9, who wants to harm the team?!

m6bhoy
January 28, 2020 11:52 am

McCaff, Glad you play still and take your boy’s football team. I no longer watch any games and have never watched any games against Sevco. I used to sing “we don’t care if we win lose or draw”. Now, I just don’t care. Well that’s not entirely true. I care enough to contribute to this site but I like the company and the banter.

As long as Sevco don’t win the league then I don’t really care about NIAR/TIAR. Realistically, only Celtic can stop Sevco so I want them to win but wouldn’t be devastated if another Scottish team other than Sevco win the league. In fact, outside the Lisbon era, the healthiest period for Scottish football was when Aberdeen and Dundee Utd gave us and the old huns are a run for our money. Sadly, I don’t see those days returning anytime soon.

Bottom line is I feel I am more in control which is exactly the place the money people don’t want us to be.

Libero
January 28, 2020 12:20 pm

“Life is easy, life is delightful. It’s only hard on your illusions, your ambitions, your greed, your cravings. Do you know where these things come from? From having identified with all kinds of labels!” h/tip De Mello/TGM

jimthetim53
January 28, 2020 12:50 pm

Sol Kitts, Best wishes pal.

fan-a-tic
January 28, 2020 1:14 pm

Get ATOB to start the SC version of the rumour mill.
Suggests Snodgrass last week and now mentioned on a few articles on newsnowceltic.
For starters she should suggest we are in for Messi and the return of VVD.

Westcraigs
January 28, 2020 1:16 pm

Fergus. I agree with your take. The biggest scandal is that our board have, so far, done nothing about the cheating.

We were all delighted when McCann pursued farry over his corruption. I don’t think Fergus went far enough. Rangers should have been disqualified and celtic awarded the title or at least, the title should have been declared null and void. There goes rangers 9 in a row.

Rebus67
January 28, 2020 1:24 pm

BMCUWP,

Surprise, surprise to see my alter ego cited on the blog! Of course I have to respond in an even more boring manner than usual.

Bell Isle or Island is a small island off the main island that is Newfoundland. At its peak during WW2 around 25,000 lived on the island, most working as miners. You can see a memorial to the many that died on the island. Many are clearly of Scottish heritage, judging by the number of Macs. The mine has been closed for years but you can go down a section of it on a guided tour…..very interesting as you are under the ocean! Now, at a guess, there is less than 2000 souls on the island and you can see cattle wandering around amongst the sparse housing. Some wags say they are the real Bell islanders!

Just offshore there are many sunken freighters that were torpedoed by German subs so the isle is popular with divers.

You access Bell island via a short ferry ride from a small town, Portugal Cove on the main island…..twenty minutes and you are there. Some Bell islanders work in St John’s, the capital of NF, and commute every day on that ferry. In the winter, pack ice closes the ferry and some hardy souls snow mobile across to the wee island.

In the summer, I would take my boys across to the beaches on Bell for a swim…..much to the amazement of the locals(not the cows, they could not care less!). Happy memories!

How Bob Dylan figures in this is beyond me but, generally, there is a rich musical culture in NF. There is a small town called Dildo and just offshore is a rocky outcrop called Shag’s Rock. Perhaps fodder for some creative song writer!

Meandering over,

Rebus

fan-a-tic
January 28, 2020 1:24 pm

McCaff
When people say McCann took on the SFA they are right to a degree.
Farry was removed but with the sweetener of a heavy pay off.
But the reality is nothing changed.
We are still cheated by the SFA.
SCOTSMAN February 21st 2009
(The errors by Scotland’s supposed supreme football law enforcer resulted in Burness advising the SFA to settle. They did so immediately for fear of the further damage that could follow from allowing the arbitration to proceed to a conclusion. In doing so, they paid Celtic’s legal costs and gave them a 10,000 compensation payment – somewhat short of the 600,000 McCann demanded for the semi-final loss. Farry was suspended on full pay and removed from his post permanently two weeks later. He departed with a 200,000 pay-off that still rankles with McCann.)
Why did McCann accept the money when he could have forced real change?
As you say money corrupts.

Oglach
January 28, 2020 1:38 pm

Dogmatic mantra – Part 100,000, 000 recurring (all IMHO of course)

If a significant number of Celtic fans were to withhold funds for a season or 2 Celtic PLC would be forced to act. Any business, which we assume Celtic primarily is now, (that is a business that owns a football team) must react to counter a downturn in profits otherwise the major shareholders, those with the real power, start making life really uncomfortable for the incumbent members of PLC. Those in power at Celtic – DD and the other major shareholders believe that our hearts will constantly rule our heads even to the extent that we knowingly, albeit begrudgingly, fund a ‘rigged game’ because of the emotional ties we have for the Club. At present It appears they were right.

Would Celtic suffer, in a footballing sense, if a significant number fans were to withhold funds for a season or 2? For instance would it mean a decline in the quality of players signing for Celtic – well that is happening now isn’t it and has been for a while and we have +£40 mill sitting in the bank, a further decline in the quality of players signed would, imo, exacerbate the pressure on the PLC by risking a further drop in SB uptake. Would it hand Sevco an advantage? Not at present as we keep being told they are skint and are a whisker away from admin 2 (Yeah believe when I see it)? However I do know the Celtic share price would plummet and ultimately those that receive dividends from their shares would certainly suffer financially hopefully prompting them into taking some form of action – ie engaging with the dissident fans.

Also a passing thought. If we do achieve 9 & 10IAR how long do you think it will take the SMSM to plant the idea that the achievement is meaningless as Rangers were demoted to the lower reaches of the Scottish league system by those with an anti Rangers agenda thus ensuring Celtic had no real competition for a number of seasons. How long do you think will it take that view to become the norm in Scottish football / Scotland? Never happen- well hands up who believed that an entity that was liquidated in 2012 could miraculously reappear with all their history and trophy haul intact and who are very much alive and are now competing for their 55th league title? And lest you forget Celtic FC were complicit, either by deed or lack of affirmative action, in this rewriting of history.

Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind CSC

jimthetim53
January 28, 2020 1:49 pm

Rebus, more stories please. 🙂

jimthetim53
January 28, 2020 2:18 pm

Minimum Pricing.

So the great success rate is a 3% reduction in alcohol purchases! Would an alcoholic stop buying? Would the many people who are not quite alcoholics but depend on going to the pub for a drink for company? Pensioners, people who live alone? No it was just another money grabbing ploy to take more money from the poor to the rich. I hope Ms Sturgeon is proud of herself. She knew she had a captive audience to pay up.

A bit like PL & DD. One thing that is common with Celtic supporters is that Celtic is a way of life. Going to games is often a friends and family occasion. But it doesn’t come cheap. Never mind PL has a heated driveway.

jimthetim53
January 28, 2020 2:26 pm

Bobby, Mahe, Packy, Mike, TET & the other exiles, it’s been snowing here at home. Peter Lawwell’s driveway is clear. 🙁

He made it into Parkhead and is sitting at his massive desk with his mittens on, counting his coins.

jimthetim53
January 28, 2020 2:37 pm

Remember folks, its snowing. Feed the birds.

JimmynotPaul
January 28, 2020 2:46 pm

What a surprise.
?️ Neil Lennon: “If I don’t do anything else I’ll be happy. I have a great squad with real quality in it. We’ve got a couple of players in and we’ve streamlined the squad a little bit.”

The Gombeen Man
January 28, 2020 3:03 pm

McCaff,

A fine read this morning and it sums up the dilemma that many of us feel.

Anyway,

So the mysterious document that changed the face of Scottish football and Celtic Plc claim not have seen was sent to a number of folk on 26th July 2012.

One alleged recipient was Rod McKenzie, a lawyer at Harper McLeod. Mr McKenzie later presented the SPL’s case at the LNS enquiry.

He’s now in an house lawyer with the SPFL.

The infamous e mail advises recipients to address any concerns to Mr Doncaster or Mr McKenzie.

Also employed as a Partner at Harper McLeod at the time was our soon to be Secretary (March 2013) and now Director of Legal and Football Affairs at Celtic PLC, Michael Nicholson.

Mr Nicholson had a good year in 2019. He was appointed as an Arbitrator to the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland last summer. In December, shortly after our AGM he was appointed to the Director of Legal and Football Affairs at Celtic PLC.

This is from Harper McLeod’s website at the time..

Harper Macleod’s sport team retain top legal position in Chambers UK

BY HARPER MACLEOD 02 NOV 2012

‘Respected legal directory, Chambers UK, today published its annual rankings which detail the top players in the legal industry. The Scotland section of the 2013 directory reveals that leading law firm Harper Macleod LLP’s Sport team has retained top tier status, with Partners xxxxxx, Rod McKenzie, xxxxxxx and Michael Nicholson regarded as ‘Leaders in the Field” of Sport. Earlier this month, Harper Macleod was also ranked in the top tier for Sport in the UK’s other leading legal directory, the Legal 500.’

It’s a small world football.

It’s a mystery how nobody at the PLC got wind of that dastardly agreement. ?

Mr Nicholson was educated at St Aloysius Secondary School, before studying at both Glasgow and Strathclyde Universities.

It’ll be interesting to see where his ambitions lie.

timhorton
January 28, 2020 3:18 pm

mccaff
very good article.

Mahe
January 28, 2020 3:26 pm

Morning troops.
Hope all are well and God bless all those less fortunate than ourselves.

McCaff another great opener Sir. Make a habit of it please! 😉
You ask what do we want. I would say to be included and considered but ultimately just a properly run sport to enjoy.
They can make money as long as they fulfill their side, as best a team we can afford, answer attacks on fans and club etc.

There may well always have been issues but the past is the past, this is our scrap now. We’ve never had computers in our pockets giving instant communication and information.
We’ve never had BMCUWP on the case before.
Theres never been Netflix and Play Stations to compete against before.
Every scrap is different. This is no exception.

Aye they have more money yet that’s far from the deciding factor. The head in the sand routine over the games woes does them no favours at all. The opposite actually most wish to see the back of our boardroom figures.
An endgame would be a board that recognizes the value of a happy united support and that tries to make the club and support the priority.
Once the fans and club are united we are strong and only then can we tackle the games problems.
Get our own house in order, then look to fix others.

Many thanks again for today’s food for thought.
Hail Hail

Mahe
January 28, 2020 3:30 pm

TGM,
What a joke that is. They are all buddies and workmates ffs. The NEDs in particular have failed us.
Hope you’re well.
Hail Hail

Mike in Toronto
January 28, 2020 4:05 pm

so, what is the purpose of SC?

The very first article said that “we have chosen the name Sentinelcelts . “Who Guards The Guards?” That is one of our core goals,to speak truth to power. To point out injustice when authority oversteps the mark or comes up short. Be it Celtic,SFA/SPFL,the media,etc.”

Isn’t the purpose of pointing out injustice so that something can be done?!

Frankly, if Celtic has been (as the increasingly overwhelming evidence suggests) complicit with the cheating, and not honest with the fans and shareholders, then Celtic deserves to be punished. It is not a defence to say ‘they cheated first, or more than us… ‘

But, in any event, ‘punishment’ isn’t what this is about… it is about making sure that this doesn’t happen again, or, more accurately, keep happening (because the cheating has never really stopped)….

When someone has cancer, and the doctor says they need chemotherapy, do you tell the doctor that he is “punishing ” the patient?
That is absurd. What is necessary is a proportionate measure which makes some small short term interruption for long term gain. that is what is called for.

if you know you are being cheated, and you not only keep paying to be cheated, but you publicly state on here (and dont think our Board dont have people on CQN and on here) ‘I will never stop going… I dont care what our Board do or dont do’…. well, guess what…. if you advertise to bullies that you aren’t going to stand up for yourselves, you’re going to end up getting what you deserve. Which is to be cheated by sevco, the league, … AND CELTIC’

Rebus67
January 28, 2020 4:20 pm

Congrats on a fine article. Many of your thoughts mirror my own. In a sense, it is a classic case of dealing with addition, just as reading blogs every day could always be described!

I used to teach in a business school and around the eighties, the topic of ethics crept into the education system. Most courses had to include an element of ethics whether it was a marketing or an accounting course. At the time, I found it a nuisance that interrupted my teaching of my core subject! Now I see how vital it is and that society is poorer for a lack of values generally. Football has not been exempt from this malaise, including our own club. The latter is particularly sad, given the reasons that it was founded. I have no solution for the dilemma of a football club embedded in a business. Sport, generally, has become big business and it takes money to reach and sustain a seat at the big tables. You either find a way to live with that or you walk away and do something else. The other option is to fight for change……but change to what? Is there wide support for “change” and what would it look like? Take Res12 as an example….how wide spread is the support for pushing this? What I find noteworthy is that it does not appear to be embedded within any fan organisation as an objective, even after all these years and despite the merit of the endevour. I may be wrong about this but, apart from mentioning the issue, does any organised fan group contribute funds regularly to pursue this? Ultimately, one would have expected the club to take this on….but the opposite is the case. So, Quo Vadis Res 12? If change cannot be orchestrated around this issue what hope is there?

Rebus

Auldheid
January 28, 2020 4:35 pm

Another fine article from an emotional investor in Celtic on E Tims.

http://etims.net/?p=15189

Mike in Toronto

One of my jobs was a capacity builder which was about creating the capacity to drive changes.

Baby steps but it has started as I commented on E Tims in response to a post about the difficulty of buying out the Board.

” You don’t need to buy them out, just convince them that shareholders whose numbers are greater than 5, will not put up with being lied to and making those who lie on their behalf accountable.

A group of such shareholders already exists 70 plus of which sought answers from the Celtic Board on Res12 BEFORE the 5 Way Agreement Doncaster E mail came out and are now starting to ask questions of Celtic of the veracity of the response to the question put to the AGM re 5 Way knowledge.

There is an on line update from Not The View re Res12 itself at

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1koD7VKr3O1Ed1qVIp6zc3kCIYVMfikt-/view?usp=sharing

that tells you what those small shareholders have done so far.

It should not be too difficult to open both issues up to the support at large pursuing the same course of where we lied to?

The Celts for Change guys did not need The Kelly’s approval to call a meeting but it is very much in Celtic’s interest not for that kind of meeting to happen in public gaze given new knowns.

big packy
January 28, 2020 5:04 pm

who mentioned snow, when I was a nipper and lived in glenboig, we had snowdrifts 10 feet deep, in fact I met the abominable snowman once, first thing he said to me was how is jimthetim53. strange but true.

jimthetim53
January 28, 2020 5:06 pm

Excuse me Packy, The abominable Snowman is a good friend of mine! After you of course. 🙂

big packy
January 28, 2020 5:07 pm

JIM, that’s exactly what he told me?

big packy
January 28, 2020 5:10 pm

by the way, he said you and the uber tim owe him some money, he is a big lad, id pay up if I were you??

jimthetim53
January 28, 2020 5:15 pm

Packy you know how I love music. I’ve played this about 6 times. I get lost in it, it goes deep into my soul. Think of a fairground ride going round and round and the horses bopping up and down. I’d pay a million pounds to have played in that orchestra that night.

Gordon64
January 28, 2020 5:19 pm

Continuing to support the team whilst voicing discontent at the running of our club and the decisions made by the board are not mutually exclusive. HH ?

Mahe
January 28, 2020 5:25 pm

Excellent article by our buddy Mike over on the always worthwhile Etims.net today in case anyone missed it.
I forgot to give a RIP to Kobe and all who passed in that tragedy
Hail Hail

big packy
January 28, 2020 5:37 pm

JIM,, thanks for posting that, musicians at the top of their game, my father would have loved watching that, Rodgers and Hammerstein, ive only ever played in a sixteen piece band, but to play with them would be amazing.?

jimthetim53
January 28, 2020 5:47 pm

Packy if you watch the players they love it. Very animated. These are folk who would be equally happy playing Brahms, Beethoven etc. Packy I grew up listening to R & H too. My mother and father had the LPs for Carousel & Oklahoma. I know them note perfect!

Mike in Toronto
January 28, 2020 5:51 pm

Auldheid/Mahe

Good article by Mike… is that the same fella that writes on here sometimes?

Oglach
January 28, 2020 5:55 pm

When questioned if Celtic’s latest signing Imaila Soro is considered a 1st team option or as a prospect Lenny replied

“A bit of both, we’ll have to see what his conditioning is. He may need a week or two of adaption before we use him.”

Err I dunno ?

Mahe
January 28, 2020 5:59 pm

MiT,
Tis indeed Sir. A rolling stone and smart cookie.
Hail Hail

Oglach
January 28, 2020 6:06 pm

Shockaroonie! Hearts allegedly make move to sign Craig Gordon. Will it be loan or permanent move?
Cant see this happening as it would leave us a bit short on keepers didn’t we just loan Conor Hazard to Dundee.