Making The Correct Decision

Morning,all. 

There are no prizes for guessing the topic of discussion for today’s article. Football has been suspended for the foreseeable future by the SFA and SPFL,and there can be no doubt that it is the correct decision. 

There were alternatives available,of course. They could have declared that they saw no reason to alter the fixture calendar or they could have decreed that all matches would have to be played behind closed doors. Neither of these are viable in the current climate. COVID-19 is extremely contagious and we would be puttting spectators and players in unnecessary danger. The problem has been resolved by the current action. Except that it has created another one. 

As in,what comes next? 

I suggested in a comment on Wednesday or Thursday that football would be suspended until the Easter weekend. The English authorities have decided that the game will return the weekend before that,and I’m pretty certain that it won’t. The Scottish game hasn’t put a timescale on it,and that is probably wise. “How long is a piece of string?” rapidly becomes “When can we get back to some normality?” The simple answer to the latter question is that we do not know; no-one has any idea how serious this outbreak can become unless draconian measures such as those taken in China are adopted. That would be simply unacceptable in most countries as our systems and infrastructure aren’t designed for authoritarian control. People would starve,medicines would run out. Society would simply break down. So it will not happen. 

Going back to the question of when we can expect to see the return of football,I suspect that it will only happen when the disease has been brought under control,when the numbers being infected begin to drop. Only then can we even plan for it’s return,and I don’t see it happening any time soon. 

So let’s “wargame” this from an entirely unscientific standpoint,and suggest that the game can only resume from the end of May. That will be effectively twelve weeks since the last completed weekend programme,and the decision is made that all tournaments which have commenced must be completed.  Step One would have to be that UEFA cancels its planned Euros Finals for next summer and puts it back to either late summer of 2021 or even in summer of 2022. After all,The 2022 World Cup Finals in Qatar aren’t scheduled to begin until late December of that year and that allows the authorities some leeway-including postponing them too for a year. 

Step Two would be a declaration from UEFA-heavily dependent on the length of this enforced break-about rescheduling fixtures and events for the forthcoming seasons. If indeed it turns out to be twelve weeks,then they must allow all countries until around the weekend of 8 August to complete their domestic calendars with the Champions League and Europa Cup finals the following week. A two or three week break,far too short but necessarily so,to be followed by the commencement of Euro qualifiers and league matches from the first weekend in September. This would have the effect of European campaigns running two months behind schedule and domestic campaigns one month behind schedule. The following summer break would have to be truncated too so that by the start of the 2022/23 season things are back on track and normal service is resumed. And just in time for Euros and The World Cup finals competitions too!

A bit drastic? A bit far-fetched? Well,it’s either that or cancel the remainder of the season entirely when it becomes obvious that the game cannot be resumed in time. The Euros Finals are a dead duck anyway-FIFA has already declared that international matches are suspended until further notice,and the finalists haven’t even been decided yet. There is no option but to postpone them. We can’t declare the season null and void as spectators will rightly feel they are entitled to a refund for matches they have attended,and that money that the game simply cannot afford. Some clubs too will have shelled,out big-time on a push for glory this season,be it titles or promotion,and they will also be in the queue of plaintiffs looking to sue. And I’m not entirely sure that calling the current standings final will be acceptable either-though it may be the best option in a bad bad lot-as we have all seen teams relegated after a late freefall in form or promoted after a late run of winning games. 

You would need the wisdom of Solomon to sort this one out. I’m sure we will hear plenty of theories and opinions over the coming days and weeks on how best to deal with this. But at the moment it looks like becoming a problem for the entire European game. As such,it will require an answer for the entire European game. There is a shutdown virtually throughout the continent. As such,it requires a co-ordinated European response,and in my opinion if we can’t get back to normal until the end of May,UEFA should mandate the new fixture calendar for the next two seasons in a similar way to the above. 

Interesting times indeed!

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Above article by BMCUWP. 

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There are a couple of typos towards the end that I missed. As I can’t get into Admin on my iPad,and can’t edit posts on my phone,they will have to stay as a reminder to check my work before submitting!

Had to write it as a mail on my iPad,send it to my phone and c&p from there. Too much effort for a Saturday morning…

Big Audio Dynamite

Morning, Mick ?

It’s a big shit sandwich mate, and were all gonna have to take a bite! ☺

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Sure looks that way,mate. Bliddy nightmare. Here’s another thought. UEFA might be in bother with fans who have already booked accommodation for the finals-even though the finalists aren’t yet known!

That’s because they made the draw a few months back based on those teams who had already qualified,and they designated a letter to each of the unknown play-off qualifiers.

https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/draws/

Big Audio Dynamite

Bobby, I honestly don’t think football will be disrupted too long ..too much money involved mate. Don’t want a 3 day argument with anyone, but I think this will die down soon the very same as the whole HIV thing did. Like I keep saying, must be time for another war, what’s Iran been up to this week?

Big Audio Dynamite

Y’all know we are going to invade Iran, right?

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New Order – Blue Monday 12″ vinyl

https://youtu.be/9Bul0dJVfFQ?list=RD9Bul0dJVfFQ

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The only advice i have is for you not to panic …especially if you are the man of the house! people are looking to you, be strong my fellow Celts ? reassure your family everything will be ok, and this too shall pass ?

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Bobby, have you received any word from any fellow Celts who are alone, struggling, worried about going out, or even just older & unable? if anyone has the symptoms & is worried, and maybe no one will go near them, I’d definitely go help them ?

Half a hour talking to me, and I guarantee they will have more than this virus to worry about! ?

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Nothing yet,mate. The problem won’t have become real for most people,and let’s hope it stays that way. Good man that you are for offering,and I expect that I’ll be getting a few calls to help out from some of the older people I know.

Meals on Wheels,21st Century style…

Big Audio Dynamite

Lou Reed – Perfect day 9th May 1998

https://youtu.be/9wxI4KK9ZYo

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Btw,I have always made sure that my food cupboards,freezer,etc are fairly well stocked. Long time habit,never know when a redundancy can crop up. But I’ve just realised that I’ve been somewhat remiss on the booze front.

Tsk,tsk. Wee trip to Asda overnight on Monday,I reckon.

McCaff

BMCUWP

A review of the SPFL’s Articles shows that the season does NOT have to be completed if there are EXCEPTIONAL circumstances. In such a case, as this is, the final placings can be decided today/tomorrow/any day or whichever the Executive decide! As for the wider picture of what happens re the Euros/World Cup/CL/ EL I’m not yet convinced there won’t be a sudden pullback on the restrictions which have been enforced. TOOO MUCH MONEY!!!!
I’m still cynical about the validity of the numbers being quoted, if we were given data about flu/common cold/pneumonia/respiratorydeaths in each of the last five or ten years I’d be more willing to accept the data re COVID-19, as such today’s figure of 85 confirmed cases in Scotland, with the death of one patient with underlying illness does not under any circumstances reflect or represent a REAL AND PRESENT DANGER. This is a confirmed infection rate of less than 0.002%!! The mortality rate is hardly worth calculating, and humble apologies if that reads as offensive.
I don’t disagree with the current measures to curtail the spread of the virus but in what is proving to be a divisive issue if we had all the data to hand it would be easier to accept decisions about how or why we make forward-thinking decisions.

Good article, Boab and as well put as Mahe’s yesterday.

Keep up the good work, Fellas!!

Big Audio Dynamite

Bobby, that’s good ..hope it stays that way. I’m not mad for the idea of a fellow Celt isolated & alone, I’d want to do something about that ?

Bobby, I’m lucky, my family are well used to my record of calling these things, so not a single member of my immediate family is doing anything differently ..no extra big roll here! ?

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Tim Buckley – Song to the siren

https://youtu.be/vMTEtDBHGY4

McCaff

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I always loved the cover of Blue Monday. At the time because of the production and manufacturing of the sleeve there was talk -because it was only available in 12 inch – it could put Factory out of business. At that time Factory was about style AND substance and they were fantastic at promoting their bands and music. They were probably the most iconic music producers of the late 80s early 90s. A wee look at their back catalogue and signed artists reveals an incredible selection of (then) current, valid music.

Big Audio Dynamite

Radiohead -There there

https://youtu.be/7AQSLozK7aA

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McCAFF

I’m certainly not in the business of scaremongering,that has never been my style. And if anything I’m more likely to be accused of not taking things seriously enough simply because I know it won’t happen to me. Experience,of course,has taught me differently-but I’m not known for learning from experience either!

My problem with this virus isn’t the mortality rate-which from its early days in China has been fairly constant at around 2-3%. Nor even the infection rate which I can’t compute as a fraction as I don’t know the quotient based on applicable population. The problem IMO is in the rate of increase in infection,and that is frightening. Cases are doubling every two to four days,depending on which part of the world you are referring to.

I remember my Maths teacher telling me this when I was a kid.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat_and_chessboard_problem

Basically,an infection rate which doubles that quickly is a problem. Not having a vaccine is a problem. That it is so highly contagious is a problem. If you can’t sort a problem,avoid it. That is what the football authorities have done. China sorted it by draconian measures-wonderful health service there. First sign that you’re ill,they shoot you!-and Spain and Italy are being forced to do similar. I hope that we can nip it in the bud before it becomes our unavoidable problem too.

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My favourite non-Joy Division album from Factory is LC by Durutti Column.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLshZGiYN-cExkmLtt5ftdgx_Oi-dGAEaW

Big Audio Dynamite

McCaff, you immediately notice the covers, they were just very different from anything else in yer record collection. Btw, I forgot, I had a pink vinyl Bob Dylan record, live at Budokan, bet it would be worth a fortune today! 🙁

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BIGAUDIODYNAMITE

Not listened to Bob at Budokan for a while,but IRRC it was recorded just before he released Street Legal. He introduces the next number as “Here’s a song that hasn’t been released yet. Se if you can guess which one it is!”

Big Audio Dynamite

New Order – Crystal

https://youtu.be/KVMyXDsadLQ

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Awe ffs, the wee man’s game today has also now been cancelled, and the team’s training has been cancelled until further notice! Oh well, might go for a game of snooker …if it’s not shut!! ?

Big Audio Dynamite

Bobby,

Edit: One more cup of coffee?

Big Audio Dynamite

Always loved this album, Mick ?

https://youtu.be/95cufW4h-gA

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Twists n Turns

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Same story. Grandson match up in Shotts cancelled. I was supposed to take him this morning as his dad is away this week. A blessing in one respect. I’m 30 miles away so was going to be a long trip to get there and back.

Gave me a few more hours nag study time ?

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A few great tracks from “Desire” there,mucker. This one,Abandoned Love,was unaccountably leftmoff the album.

Only time he played it live,in a wee speakeasy.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D_b9jdjmoNE

Big Audio Dynamite

Paul Weller -Changing man

https://youtu.be/0v9WhRpQw8E

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Twists, the wee man’s knee blew up like a balloon, at training, so wouldn’t have played today anyway but you always go support the team ?

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Bobby, that’s me hearing that for the first time! ?

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The only band to emerge in the last 30 years imo

https://youtu.be/GoLJJRIWCLU

Twists n Turns

BAD
That’s not so good. Knee problems. Hope it’s short lived and he’s back to his best soon.

I’m facing another activity free weekend next Saturday. I’m in ( or was supposed to be) the hospitality marquee at Kelso.

They’re going ahead on Monday behind closed doors. I spoke to them yesterday re next Saturday meeting. They sounded more hopeful that they’ll be allowed to race with some spectators. Awaiting Scottish government guidance. If they’re allowed the 500, I’ll definitely be one of them, but it’s heads or tails at the minute.

Gonna have to find another hobby in the short medium term.

Am I allowed to fish? I might try my hand at that. ? What if more than 500 come and fish beside me though?

What about sky diving? Unlikely to meet 500 up there?

Or I could organise a game of footy. 500 max? Hmm.
Fancy a game of 249 a side?

Twists n Turns

I think even us old timers like Jim the Tim, Big Packy and myself would get in a team of 249? Surely?

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Call it a Scottish Labour Party meeting. Nobody would believe 500 people will turn up to that nowadays. Have a rave.

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I’ll raise you-The Shins.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdwYGpRUWfc

Big Audio Dynamite

Twists, he has a thing called Patella alta (Born with it) but the specialist we see says he won’t operate till he stops growing! So, still got a couple of years of me biting my nails while watching him. His knee cap dislocated again, few weeks ago on a brick hard astro pitch, and 3 spectators close to where he was lying, in agony, were dancing and high 5ing each other, cue me utterly losing the plot & turning into Mike Tyson! The wee man wants to play through it (He has some guts, I wouldn’t) and has accepted it will happen frequently. He’s still holding onto his dream to play for the Tic, and i don’t have the heart to say it might never happen ..I just support his decisions ?

I can’t tell him Twists, but the whole situation broke my heart, and took away all the pleasure I got from watching how good he’s become. My heart is just in my mouth, anytime anyone goes near him!

Big Audio Dynamite

Aye, can stand them, Bobby. I’m always on the look out for anything new. I also like to go see bands I’ve never heard of …sometimes you get a real surprise. Btw, going to a Joy Division night, with Hooky, in a few weeks 🙂 if I can still get my mate to “Come out to play” at that time.

Text him that yesterday …his reply?

“Haha, fuck off, ya tit!”

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Twists, sky diving? .. .you sure? ? done a parachute jump from about 4k ft once, for charity, that was enough! Tell you what I would have loved to have tried though, those wingsuits(?) Looks just like flying.

Back in the days b4 Celtic supporters became, Celtic customers, the Jungle would’ve rounded up a posse, like they did in 1994, and the posse would’ve removed the virus from the board room!??
Customers don’t wear steely Dan’s.
Hail!? Hail!?

big packy

MORNING ALL, twisty, im playing centre forward or striker, to you young ghuys? got enough work today to keep the wolf from the door, so that’s something positive, just have to see what happens in the weeks to come.hh.

Twists n Turns

BAD
Ach I recall yer lads knee problem now. If I’m correct you were investigating the possibility of an operation that might resolve it ? ( or at least give him a chance?)

People celebrating a boy going down with an injury? Wtf? I’ve seen some arseholes in my time watching the lads playing but yet to see that type of behaviour. Imbeciles. Mike Tyson mode? No fekkin wonder.

I was actually reading about a brawl at lads football somewhere in Scotland a couple weeks ago. That might’ve been you!! Reading it at the time I was thinking what a bunch of morons. If it was you… knowing the circumstances I’d understand it completely.

I’d be the exact same in your shoes. Problem is I’m too fekkin old for that shit nowadays. So my temper would kick in and I’d probably end up getting a doing, though in those circumstances I’d be happy to take one.

With a bit of luck, my bhoys would be with me. That’d even the odds up believe me ?

big packy

KEV J are you the real, KEV J ??

Twists n Turns

Hey Packy
Don’t come on here all Vladimir Romanov like and picking your position. ?

You’ll play where I put you. I’m not sure you have the right skill set for centre forward. I see ye more of a Billy McNeil than a Joe Mcbride.

I’d stick Jim the Tim on one side of you and I’ll be on the other side. There’s nobody coming through that midfield!

Glad to hear you’ve got some customers today. I’ve been reading your updates on your staff issues. Very difficult but ultimately you need to take the sensible decision even if it means you’re having to cause pain to your employees.

I’m not sure how many girls you employ? 5 perhaps?

You can’t pay 5 staff with no income. If you can look at each case in isolation.

Would any of the girls qualify for income support if you put them on short time? If you can support say 2 days a week for them all, does that help? Some might not be too much worse off if they can get their income supplemented.

If not enough work for that, seems to me you’ve got a very tough but no alternative decision to make. Some or all will need to be made redundant.

The only thing I’d say is be very careful to follow the procedures. Lieu of notice, consultation etc. Don’t leave yourself open to an unfair dismissal claim. Speak to someone who can advise you.

It’s a bloody tough call bud but at the end of the day, you might be able to re employ them when things pick up. Bear in mind too, when the all clear is given, you’re almost certainly going to have all your customers looking for their dog to cut in a hurry. Summer will be approaching and business could be booming until normality resumes.

Good luck whatever happens.

Big Audio Dynamite

Twists, unbelievably, the fight you speak about from a few weeks ago, was a couple of pitches over from us, never seen anything like it, 2 full teams, coaches & parents, in a running battle, cops eventually had to come, because unlike most fights like that (Does happen a lot at this age) this one wasn’t stopping, this was different! It just went on and on, then it would pause briefly, then it would kick off again. Truly mental!

big packy

TWISTY, ill play in any position you want me too? thanks for the advice by the way ,the mrs does all the bookwork, and we have a good accountant and financial adviser, but at the end of the day what will be will be, we were thinking of selling the business next year when the wife turns 64 her wrists cant take the strain anymore she has got a touch of arthritis in them, this might force our hand ?

Big Audio Dynamite

Packy, I had imagined your business picking up, no? Or is this thing having an adverse effect on people wanting to book their dogs in, or summit? Don’t tell me people are so freaked out they won’t get the dog groomed? ?

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