Lockdown Shakedown and Scorched Earth Hokey Cokey

Morning,all.

I’ve said on here before that we are in uncharted territory at the moment,and that football will take some time to get back to normal. If it ever does,of course-and that it will certainly be too late for some clubs. We are suffering from the fallout from a global pandemic,and as result it is the worldwide game which is in a dangerous flux. 

This isn’t a problem unique to Scotland. Far from it. But our reaction to it so far might be. 

Some countries haven’t made any decision about their senior game yet. Some have decided to call it quits for the season,with winners and losers declared and based on current league standings. A few have tried that or similar only to put that plan on hold again in the face of legal action. 

We always like to be different in Scotland. Here,we decided on a vote amongst all 42 members. Not based on a simple minority,nor even on a set percentage of the votes,but on various and different percentages in each division. To add to the amusement factor,the bottom two divisions counted as one bloc for the purposes of the vote. 

Oh,and clubs have 28 days to vote. They can vote anytime-and we would prefer them all in by 5pm tomorrow. But you can change your mind anytime in that 28 days. Unless you vote Yes,in which case you can’t. 

Got it?

Well,it was too difficult for Dundee,and they voted No,then didn’t vote at all or said that they did but didn’t and anyway the vote got lost somewhere and here’s a Yes vote. We know it’s five days late but we got confused. So the decision was made and the leagues were called as they stood at the time. 

Except for the top one,because that was too difficult to figure out-even though the gaps between teams for title and relegation purposes were greater than in the lower leagues. 

Now,with that level of confusion and simply laughable decision nonmaking,it provides ample opportunity for casual malice. Step up,Scotland’s very own World Champions in that particular event,this is you day. They want the top tier of the SPFL administration suspended for unspecified reasons,and they demand an EGM so they can have their cake and eat it. And they got the latter wish too,with the assistance of two other self-serving clubs who faced relegation unless prevented by some malfeasance or other.

Their motives for all of this? Well,nobody really knows. Like nobody really knows what the allegations are against the SPFL office bearers. The huns aren’t saying,because screaming the house down like a spoiled seven year old has done quite nicely so far,thank you. But you can bet your bottom dollar that the motive is even more self-serving than even that of Hearts and Stranraer. 

Declaring the season null and void-very much their preferred option-has long been declared to be off the table,as it would leave the clubs open to compensation claims from sponsors,fans,advertisers,tv companies etc for a full refund on their expenditure for matches prior to the lockdown. It won’t stop the huns from reiterating that demand,and that it be put to a vote. Armageddon was a fashionable word eight years ago,but it would become a reality now if that were to occur. 

The next step would be to demand that prize money be allocated based on current standings,but that titles be left undeclared. With the strong possibility of a League reconstruction which would remove the potential damage of relegated teams,that would be a winner for some. But it would be a line in the sand for Celtic,who would lose our title by default. I don’t think it likely to be voted through,because our board would have to go nuclear on that. No,I said yesterday that I believe the huns motive is to remove the statutory penalties for clubs going into administration. There are likely to be enough clubs who would be amenable to such a thing based on their own self-interest and precarious finances. There will be others who might agree simply to end the logjam. Some might even agree to it based on the long-discredited notion of The Blue Pound. 

And some will probably agree against their better nature simply because they are aware that the huns are hell-bent on a scorched-earth policy otherwise. That they know they are FUBAR’d and the current attack by them on our national game is likely only to be the beginning,with a clear intention of causing as much damage as possible to the rest of the game as they sink once more beneath the waves,all the while singing Rule Britannia at the top of their voice. 

They say that this is all about the integrity of the Scottish game. It most certainly is not. They couldn’t give a 4X about the Scottish game. They care only for themselves,and if they don’t get what they want,they are prepared to burn the house to the ground. 

The SPFL has called an EGM for May 12. That means that the rest of Scottish football has two weeks to grow a pair. To put the huns back into their box,to throw the book at them for this entire scandalous episode. Let them burn their own house down,but do not let them ever again treat the rest of the game like this. Call them to account and ensure that they never again feel emboldened to threaten every club in the land in a self-protection racket. 

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Cosy Corner Bhoy

Interesting choice of date for aforementioned EGM as I think I read that Der Hun publish their ‘accounts’ that day. If so could make for possible late changes in voting; they may even vote against themselves if administration beckons. Better to lose league by points deduction (will it be their first or second ?) than on field of play. As long as there will be fitba’ to come back to any result except title withheld will do me. Good article as per BMCUWP!
Stay safe all.

big packy

MORNING ALL and JIM , BOBBY, brilliant post, straight to the point, but I would not trust that crowd one Iota, we know who runs Scottish football, and it certainly is not us.HH.

jimthetim53

Morning Packy, Woke up about 5.30am, got up at 6am. I love the long days. Although it’s a bit grey!
Celtic are not really bothered much about who runs Scottish Football. Or who their favourites are. As long as Celtic are making money that’s all DD & PL care about. Twice I remember Celtic getting upset. When they wanted us to stop flying the Irish Tri Colour. that touched a raw nerve. And then the Bunnet taking on Jim Farry. Other than that we go with the flow.

You can read that as a thumbs up compliment to our board, or a put down, depending on your perspective.

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COSYCORNERBHOY,BIGPACKY

Cheers,lads. Always something to discuss of a morning when Scottish football allows a runaway truck the freedom to dictate. Shoot out the tyres and send it hurtling off a cliff,I say.
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JIMTHETIM53

As you may have guessed,I would normally be in your camp on this one. Our board have not been seen to act in our best interests as a rule,and their apparent collusion in the post-liquidation myth condemns them utterly in my eyes. They know how lucky they are to have survived the fallout from that-though it isn’t over yet!-and I don’t think they’ll fancy their chances of getting away with it again. Especially since,if they try it,the next AGM will simply be about that-and the 5WA agreement e-mail that PL denied-to a shareholder. At an AGM!-seeing.

big packy

HI jim, yes was it not rangers who sided with us about flying the tricolour?

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I’m still not a cheerleader for Jackson in the Record but he has another two articles today about the EGM and why it has been forced through.

Again,the huns do not come out well in either. Hmmm,as someone else might say.

jimthetim53

“……I don’t think they’ll fancy their chances of getting away with it again”

I agree Bobby. I argued recently (in a philosophical sense) that if we were denied the title this year all hell would break loose amongst our supporters. Some posters disagreed. But one thing I am sure about is that the shareholders attending the AGM would without doubt be outraged. They might not be able to swing the votes numerically against the likes of DD but I think that meeting would stink to high heaven. That is a line the board dare not cross in my opinion.

Howeva! I still think Celtic will be declared Champions, so it is probably a moot point.

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BIGPACKY

It was,indeed. And shamefully,it was Swan at Hibs who was most vehement in pursuing the idea of it being removed.

I’m not a great fan of Robert Kelly,but he got two very important things correct in his time.

Standing up for the right to display the Tricolour,and giving Jock total control as manager.

big packy

BOBBY, cheers, thought it was?

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JIMTHETIM53

The board are praying for the title to be awarded as it should be. They don’t fancy the consequences of failing to get it awarded by staying schtuum,and don’t really fancy the fight to do the right thing either.

Maybe they’ll pick their friends more wisely in future.

jimthetim53

If the biggest priority for the Celtic board is the ‘Old Firm’ and the blue pound then get rid of them. I would love for there never to be another Glasgow Derby. When Sevco were in the lower divisions I never missed it. I don’t remember the Armageddon of premiership clubs going to the wall. I’m not going to lie and say that I have not enjoyed watching us beat them in the past but I would happily forsake that to see them non existent. If our turnover fell from £100m to £80m so be it. To be one half of the biggest hatefest in the world of sport is nothing to be proud of.

big packy

JIM, would not bother me either if there were no more bigotfests, but Scottish fitba need the famous glesca rainjurs ,unfortunately.HH.

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JIMTHETIM53

Oh,I love beating them,mate. Had many a happy day so doing!

(Caveat-I was down in London for most of their cheating nine!)

Still,I’d enjoy it so much more if they had gone up in a puff of smoke in 2012,as they should have done.

Harvey

Good morning all!

Another good read Bobby!

JIM – totally agree we would not miss the knuckledraggin bastards if they were to fold (again) …. the £20m hit by lack of the ‘Glasgow’ Derby can easily be made up by merchandise sales with the new Adidas contract and hopefully getting to the champions league group stage ( wishful thinking I know!)

We don’t need a “strong” team from ibrokes… we need all the rest of the teams to step up … Aberdeen, Hibs, even Dundee Utd.

I have enjoyed the beatings we have given the toxic mob since they arrived in the top tier but the real challenge should be our focus on our ability in Europe.

I don’t think any club is going to match our treble treble or even quad treble .. therefore I would stick in younger lads for the cup games during our march to 10IAR …. gives youth experience and keep the main players fresh for league and Europe …. if we race into a commanding lead, we can Inter grate some of the youngsters into prem league games.

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This might be of interest to some of you during lockdown,kills a bit of time.

Latest Michael Moore documentary. He is getting pelters for it from the Green environmentalists. I have to admit,it’s a bit of a sea change from him,but a bit of an eye-opener as ever from him.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE

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HARVEY

Fuxake,man. Well seen yer an architect and used to padding out estimates(!)

£20m? Even PL only said half that,and he has never even attempted to justify the plucked-out-of-the-air figure. But I digress. For it matters not.

No amount of money is worth selling your soul. Your birthright. Everything that mattered to you as you were growing up,watching your parents struggle-and finally making your way in life in a way that was denied to them and plenty others.

Seems PL is a highly qualified accountant,and I have no reason to believe otherwise. In which case,he’ll be good at the fiddling. But if he blows this chance…

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sh7BZf7D5Bw

Harvey

Easy Bobby!

I was just using Jim’s quotation of £100m down to £80m!!! ☺️

I would love to design the hotel though! I would do that for a nominal London fee mind!!

But the job I’d do for free … convert Ibrox into a mixed use residential development … with a memorial garden on what used to be goalposts … “Here is where the famous Glasgow Celtic enjoyed many a fine goal against their host” carved on a Celtic cross

Harvey

With respect, I’d rename the main stand ( converted into luxury apartments) as the David Cooper Building … unless anyone has a better idea. The rest of stands can be demolished and we can name the roads like McCoist Garden Way!

jimthetim53

Sorry for getting you into bother there Harvey! I just picked the numbers out of thin air 🙂

jimthetim53

Harvey, wee question for you. Have you ever read From Bauhaus to Our House ?

ASWGL

Morning all, good article I think the same as you Bobby it’s all about a points deduction and losing a European spot, Like Harvey say’s we don’t need a strong ibrokes side, but an honest one would certainly make a refreshing change, still there’s more chance of JNP spotting a Green tap-dancing kangaroo on his walks, than that ever happening.

HH ☘

The Gombeen Man

Good read this morning BMCUWP’S thanks for taking the time to write and post it.

Ibrox is a scene of crime. That’s all.
In must jurisdictions the stadium would be taped off and the scenes of crime guys would be doing their stuff.

When the cash flow stops on any business leaks start popping up all over the place and investors start asking questions.

Everyone gets why Glibby and Jabba wouldn’t want Celtic to win 9 in a Row and a Quadruple Treble on their watch…That’s why they legged it.

At some point questions will be asked about what happened to all the money.
Ms Budge is in a similar situation at Tynecastle.

A guess if you give a mendacious liar the keys of the kingdom an empty trophy cabinet and bank account are inevitable outcomes.

For how long will the faithful be distracted chasing shadows and illusions?

Harvey

JIM

I’ve come across Bauhaus to Our House by T Wolfe … he’s too critical of modern architecture… trouble is architecture is very subjective as you know …. I’m kind of in the middle whereby I prefer slick modern design with plenty of glazed facade for natural lighting, spacious zoning and high ceilings…. however I do appreciate where in some cases you cannot destroy the old architecture but to preserve the design of that period and integrate with modern comforts.

What is abysmal is the typical new home builds – square boxes with 2.5 bedrooms made fast track with metal studs and gypsum galore … a home of stone and brick is so much more!

I’ve been doing hospitality and luxury apartments for the last few years so hence I would love to design the Celtic hotel but I’m not keen on the initial proposed idea.

MarioB

https://youtu.be/upb2m2JTGGA a wee quiet rendition jazz featuring Chloe Foranzo (spelling) Radiohead-no surprises. Just float about your room, groovy maan. Enjoy

Sol Kitts

ASWGL
Didn’t see a green kangaroo on my daily walk, but did see a green llama ???

McCaff

Morning all
Sol Kitts….disturbing, bizarre and vaguely hypnotic!!! The Nightshift are actively recruiting talented people who can think out of the box…ffs!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

McCaff

I hope this finds you all well.
BMCUWP
As good a summary as I have read, but I have a mountain of thoughts and questions in my head that I just cannot put into a reasonable order. We need the 12th of May to put everything so far into context…or at least a glimpse of the ‘dossier’!!

McCaff

JtT and Big Jim Phanni Tikkla
How are ye both…well, I hope!!

The Gombeen Man

The way to simplify this is follow follow the money.

MarioB

Harvey 12.19 I agree with you on your choice of architecture for houses both spacious modern and old but modernised internal old buildings. I was brought up in the latter, high ceilings, Bigger living rooms, cornicing, architraves etc. problem in some are smaller bathrooms and kitchens, but these are easily surmounted due to available space in remainder of building. There was a programme on architecture on the bbc called the world’s most extraordinary homes presented by actress Caroline Quentine and architect Piers

MarioB

Harvey sorry hit wrong key. architect Piers Taylor, some amazing houses, I want everyone of them, drool.

McCaff

Gombeen
What appears to me to be an absolutely straightforward decision to end the season, if UEFA permits our proposed methodology, has been hijacked by TRFC with HoM/Stranraer playing The Stooges for their own ends! From what I can see it’s not just money here, although we know they are on their knees, it’s also about stymieing Celtic’s record-equalling/record-breaking achievements! But their attempts to undermine us should be doomed to failure – unless they ACTUALLY are in possession if information which upholds their complaints. This is why the dossier they claim to have is important. The main player in the game, CFC, have quite rightly kept their own counsel to date and have only taken time to confirm our desire to complete the season. When the shit hits the fan we all expect Celtic to come out with both barrels blazing…anything else will be a dereliction of duty and worse then Res 12, in my opinion!!

big packy

MCAFF, nice to see you on?

Harvey

Hi MarioB

Yes I watched the series! There was one whereby the design was situated within a forest and against an existing sloping cliff but overlooking the fjords…. (tbh not sure If was in this series!) ….. the whole construction was mainly local hardwood timber frame with an industrial feel to the worktops and facade…. sort of welcoming a future zero carbon development…. the only drawback was having to manoeuvre between many flights of stairs but I suppose that’s good getting yer steps in!

McCaff

Big Jim Phanny Tikkla
How’s things today? Have you been rolling aboot the pavements with yer neebor yet? 🙂

big packy

MCAFF ok here at the moment, Im going to wash the neebors wheelchair for free, so that I don’t have to pay for his new wheelchair tyres, which I burst???

MarioB

Harvey I think that house was shown. What I liked about the programme was that owners used the lay of the land for minimum impact on surrounding nature ie building on side of hills using levels of slopes and sometimes digging out building and recovering so property has little impact on natural surroundings.

Harvey

MarioB

Yes it was the Summer House in Norway.
Might not not the most aesthetic but it’s got breathtaking views and a nice touch with an infinity pool …. throw a couple of Nordic gorgeous ladies in there and no complaints from the “ahem” birdwatchers here! ?

big packy

which year did celtic first wear the green and white hoops, and against which team, cyber pints all round?

big packy

nae googlin?

MarioB

Harvey, Norwegian blues, perchance, ala monty python ??

fan-a-tic

Good article BMCUWP.
I have come to the conclusion that the huns have to die if there is ever going to be an improvement in the Scottish game.
The insecurity based on their false superiority is a millstone around the game’s neck.
This outdated thinking clouds the judgement of other clubs, referees and authorities.
It may be the only show in a one theatre town but that does not necessarily make it good.
The best wee countries jaundiced eye and DD’s/PL’s love of money will always try to keep them afloat.
The reactionary nature of Scottish football stifles creative thinking with its fear based philosophy.
How ironic would it be if the huns self serving actions brought about their demise and created the long overdue change in Scottish football?
Innovation is required and a younger type of league more appropriate to our countries population and financial status is the best way forward.

Harvey

Big Packy

1903 – remember 100 years of hoops on 03/04 shirt

big packy

FAN, would love to see them die, but don’t think the sfa would?

big packy

HARVEY, cyber pint, do you know the opposition??

Harvey

Big Packy

Only a guess – Partick thistle?

big packy

HARVEY, another cyber pint?

big packy

just been talking to weefra and jimthetim, they are a few years older than me, but they remembered collecting ginger bottles as kids mostly barrs, and getting money for them to buy sweets, ah the good old days?

big packy

just remembered there was a newsagents shop across the road from our secondary school st augustines,, you could buy a small whisky sized glass of ginger, any flavour for a penny, but when you weigh it up, the shopkeeper was makin a big profit from us kids, I reckon a bottle of ginger in my schooldays 64 till 68 would have been about a shilling, now you would have got about 16 to 18 small glasses of ginger out that big bottle, not a bad days work??

McCaff

Auldeid – if you’re lurking!
I just read your comments on E-tims;
“A few points on consequences of insolvency I made on Sentinel Celts the other week.
1 A 15pt deduction for this season makes Celtic uncatchable even allowing for their unplayed game v St Johnstone getting a pools panel type verdict and reducing gap to 10 with 24pts left to play for. 10+15 =25 so Celtic win by observing full sporting integrity which quoted rules are an attempt to preserve. Use that to counter their argument that a title earned in an unfinished season goes against sporting integrity.

On same SC comment I linked to a UEFA article that covered clubs who otherwise would have been refused a licence being given one under a global relaxation of UEFA FFP. It was clear UEFA saw that as unfair.

On the accounts Phil Mac Giolla Bhain reported in March that SFA told “Rangers” there were problems with their accounts.

Those accounts had to be with the SFA by 31st March and I have it on an authority I trust that the accounts are indeed at Hampden but no public declaration under Company Law type rules has been made.

Taking 2011 process as example the licence was granted on 19 April 2011 and UEFA informed of clubs granted on 26 May 2011 so there may be a licensing issue that SFA are aware of and possibly UEFA.

Finally on an SFA power grab: dont forget they are sitting on the JPDT relating to Res12 so are hardly in a position to accuse SPFL of skullduggery especially as a party to the 5 Way Agreement that allowed “Rangers” to use the CAS clause in the 5 Way to swerve the SFA JPDT proceedings that SFA knew about when going the JPDT route.

Throw in that Celtic accepted the 5 Way in July 2012 (and they did) and you can see why Scottish football’s symbol should be Ouroboros – the snake that eats itself.”

On the basis that the SFA and probably/possibly Celtic are aware that TRFC’s accounts appear to be unqualified/uncertified but certainly not sufficient to be granted an UEFA licence could this mean that although Celtic have been publicly quiet they have in fact made representation on the quiet to SFA that protocols MUST be adhered to as CFC plc cannot expose themselves to another Res12 type accusation?

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