Democracy crowns us Champions

Yesterday seen something take place that many of us probably forget how fortunate we are to have in the first place.
It cost countless lives to deliver to nations, fought for in almost every corner of the globe, and it should never be taken for granted, ever.
Its constantly tested though, especially recently.
Ridiculously I have three governments that Im not a fan of at all in my life to some degree or other ( North and South of Ireland and USA ) but I have long accepted thats just life.
Sporting governance on paper should be a walk in the park compared to real life affairs, considering theres a rulebook to adhere to and listed punishments for breaches, but the national sport has easily vied with the virus for the headline slots this past couple weeks.
I could ask why but the answer is in the word ‘headline’ , they work to an agenda and theres not a Tim that doesn’t know it.
Upon losing a democratic vote the gentlemanly thing to do is to show grace and congratulate the victor,then give thanks to those who helped you along the ultimately unsuccessful journey.
A well done and any grace was so very lacking. Friends were acknowledged.
Even having lost the last line of their statement gave no thought to that fact, showed zero regard for the fellow members desire to move on, and in fact stated that moving on is impossible even though the clubs wish to.
‘The status quo cannot hold’ after losing displays the mentality that we can decide what holds or not, plus its an affront to the actual democratic vote.
Win and fine, lose and not? Great !
A one club one vote system is the essence of an equal for all process, and should never be abandoned.
Thats one thing Hampden got right I will give them that.
Of course should some clubs still wish a report I have no doubt they would be able to commission one and be invoiced for it also themselves. Not being official might bring problems but you can pay anyone to look into anything, and if that body has some credibility all the better.
Plus there’s fans with keyboards aplenty out there I’m sure would just love to sink their teeth into that impartial file, but with money stopped altogether who is gonna agree to commence an open ended and thus unlimited funds investigation?
It wasn’t about the vote process anyway was it, the SPFL just aren’t playing ball with the Ibrox mob. They are about to play cat and mouse with them though.
Punishment has to happen, and it will begin a fresh round of kicking and wailing.
It could be said for the good of the game it should be a minor slap on the wrist and everyone move on but that spiteful final line probably scuppered that, and possibly makes some form of solid action even more important just to really get the point across.
I would point out that mad dogs do get put down, even in a democracy.
They’ve certainly been acting that way and the next couple weeks should tell if their fans will take up the mantle.
No matter what punishment though, it will go down like a lead balloon and dont discount playing to the gallery with a ‘ they aren’t getting it’ whatever it happens to be while sending someone out the backdoor to sort it all out.
The ultimate spiteful act would be to liquidate and not pay them.
We triple double dare you Parky !!!
Some type of public slap will come soon. It simply must.
As for our club of choice well played I must confess, silence was well the best policy here as they tear each other apart. I note that leagues must be concluded by the 25th of May, but dreaming of seeing the big announcement made that day is wishful thinking and truly would lead to big allegations. You can bet your bottom dollar it aint taking place then. Whatever.
It will be soon but just give us the damn thing that we earned by any metric.
Of course ‘The Virus Title’ will be disputed by many from hereafter, especially those fans with keyboards that ignored a real dossier of evidence not long ago at all like cowards.
Will the same writers and clubs decry the democracy they live in, or they just don’t want it in their sport?
Cake and eat it?
Hypocritical bastards more like.

The above is by Mahe, California’s voice of authority on Scottish Football.
Title celebrations due soon. If you fancy writing anything for the site we would be more than happy to publish and dissect.

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May 13, 2020 5:07 am

Hi Mahe,

Very good piece, makes the point “robustly”…

As I was otherwise engaged yesterday I’ve not caught up on the detail of the recent shenigans.

Though I’m not really sure the democracy thing stands here.

You must remember, that for many of the Clubs; voting for the original SPFL resolution was the equivalent of turkeys voting for Christmas. It shouldn’t have been surprising that these Clubs were never going to be magnanimous after getting stuffed.

However, all the protagonists come out of this weaker, exposed as the amateurs they truly are…

What we’ve seen here is a major failure of leadership in Scottish Football once again. Neil Doncaster has failed sublimely to deliver… Unless of course one of his KPIs are… make Boris and Donald look good!!

Aff Oot

Stay Safe

Hail Hail

Twists n Turns
May 13, 2020 5:52 am

There will be no punishment.

Time for reconciliation is already the message.

The vote is being peddled in some quarters as a show of support for the huns’ calls for investigation. From 22 SPL and Championship clubs there were 5 clubs in support.


3 for blatantly obvious reasons.

I’d suggest outside of Aberdeen and Livingston, the major clubs with no agenda returned a resounding No.

The fact 8 lower league clubs from 20 returned Yes votes was more to do with a protest against non reconstruction.

Potentially some of the 8 will go to the wall.

Wouldn’t wish that on them, though I’ll lose no sleep were it to materialise.

I would however lose an awful lot of sleep were Hertz Caley and the Huns to go under.

I’d be up partying all night.

May 13, 2020 6:19 am

Hi another great read I admire how you guys consistently give us great articles day after day
Glad the vote went the way it did , no fan of spfl or especially sfa board ,but Scottish football does need the decks swept Get rid of both boards one guy in charge the rest a manageable sized board elected from officials from all teams ,Each board member will have skin in the game and hopefully the guy in charge is a leader who can lead the Scottish game to make the changes necessary to help Scottish football achieve its true position in world football
It doesn’t matter which division the board members come from elect the best people to take us forward. The higher divisions have to realize the importance of the lower divisions as a breeding ground for their future players therefore take care of the lower divisions(the roots) and you will be stronger from the trunk up
Scotland’s kids have the potential and natural talent to raise our standards in world football , if everyone’s oars are pulling in the right direction it will make for a faster ride back up the world ladder
The current mismanagement shows in our world rankings
I know I sound like Parks but we have different agendas

Twists n Turns
May 13, 2020 6:48 am


I agree wholeheartedly with your comment that the decks need swept. I’m no fan of Doncaster and whilst I was pleased he saw off the huns’ attempts to oust him over this matter, I still believe he isn’t fit for purpose and needs to go if not sooner, then later.

I can’t agree on your point re lower divisions.

I genuinely believe the days of the lower division clubs being the breeding grounds for the top division have long gone, and I fear they’ll never return.

I think there are too many of them for a country the size of Scotland. Way too many.

I think we need fewer clubs. 42 clubs for a population of 5.5m?

England has 56 million population and 92 clubs. 10 times our population yet we have 45%of the number of clubs they have? We need to reduce the quantity and improve the quality .

I think we will continue to see the odd gem come through from the Scottish kids, but in the main, the foreign influence on our game will continue with most players not coming through the Scottish ranks but coming in from overseas.

The Gombeen Man
May 13, 2020 7:01 am

The only party humiliated in this affair are Sevco. They chose to fight a battle for completely self serving motives and despite virtually unilateral support of the media failed in their objective.
This is new territory for Sevco and their Board have failed their club badly.

The drama in Scotland was an embarrassment and highlights the unique circumstances of our so called game.
What started as. an opportunistic attempt to conceal the failures at Ibrox morphed into a cynical attempt to undermine the league and replace the Chairman and CEO with individuals of poor calibre and questionable motives.

It’s telling too that it took an English guy, who has had to live in Scotland without his family for a number of years to face down the hysterical reaction of the media and Sevco.

He alone faced down the biased media and sidestepped the traps that they had set. He made so called journalists look like amateurs.

Why? Because he is pretty good at what he does and the Sevco case was weak.

I think he comes out of this with credit.

Are the SPFL flawed? Yes they are.

They operate in a swamp and thankfully Scottish society is gradually moving forward and the distress call from Ibrox has never been so muted.

The status quo Sevco are referring to is simply the fact that they aren’t getting their way. Maybe that’ll make them evolve in a new way?

Just play football within the rules.

Who knows what an independent enquiry would have unearthed about the conduct of Parks, Robertson, Budge and Gardiner?

This cheatin and greetin is such a waste of energy.

Twists n Turns
May 13, 2020 7:13 am

The Gombeen Man

Morning bud.

You say:

“ Why? Because he is pretty good at what he does and the Sevco case was weak.”

I agree with the fact the Sevco case was weak. I disagree with the initial part that he is good at what he does.

He played a major role in the 5WA ( ably assisted by Celtic it has to be said), and continued to support the “same club” myth.
He also refers to them as 54 times winners.

That for me was pandering to those that consequently showed their gratitude by trying to oust him.

They deserve each other in my opinion and I’d be happy to see them both gone.

May 13, 2020 7:26 am

Morning all & Packy,

“Of course ‘The Virus Title’ will be disputed by many from hereafter…..”

So true. LOL 🙂
I remember some folk saying that the titles Celtic won whilst sevco were in the lower divisions shouldn’t count in our historical tally. Or should at least be asterisked since it was a one horse race! You would think it was said with tongue in cheek.
What is not so funny is the titles won by Rangers using EBTs with side letters. Those titles should be rescinded.
What is also not so funny is the new club being able to claim the titles won by the old club. Doncaster was one of the main spokespersons for this corruption.

He should do himself, and the rest of Scottish football, a favour before he retires back to England and admit he called it wrong at the time. That he thought it was in the best interests of the game financially or some other such shit. He wouldn’t need to go through official channels and due process. Just one interview and get it out there and get the ball rolling! A personal opinion/apology would suffice.

Bada Bing
May 13, 2020 7:51 am

Canny wait to visit the garden centre again….???‍♂️

big packy
May 13, 2020 7:56 am

MORNING ALL and JIM, don’t waste your breath, Scotland is rigged to help the establishment club ,always has been in my 60 years of watching celtic, FFS celtic just get out of the cesspit which is the spfl ,lets go to Ireland, or maybe England might take us now, because they might think about our massive support to swell the coffers anywhere but bony scoddland, H.H.

May 13, 2020 8:12 am

Another class article Mahe, to the point, geez wurr title. ☘

Twists n Turns
May 13, 2020 8:18 am

The Gary Ralston piece in the Record this morning is the ramblings of a bitter bitter hun.


May 13, 2020 8:19 am

Packy, you just want Celtic to join the English set up so that you and Bobby can go to watch the games down there! 🙂

Bada Bing
May 13, 2020 8:23 am

Twists- that hurting hun Ralston, actually wrote an ‘article ‘,criticising Celtic supporters for ‘gloating ‘,at Poundland after multiple pumpings, he made it out to be a criminal offence. I really hope he’s enjoying the journey, as much as we are.

The Gombeen Man
May 13, 2020 8:36 am


Yes. Question is what follows him? The usual anarchy? Bickering? Self serving? Criminals using Sevco as a front?

With a biased legal system, media, political system, local authorities all still pandering to the old school agenda, like him or loathe him he didn’t flinch.

This was about Sevco re-establishing their authority.

It failed. Because of the Directors on this occasion not the supporters.

Shame it takes an outsider to come in and begin the process of normalisation. Shame too that he can’t have his family live with him.

Makes Scotland sound like an outpost in Afghanistan.

The 5WA?

Scottish football has bent over backwards to keep the blue pound. I hope that money is worth it?

The incompetence of their board has not only lost Sevco millions with zero gain, they have caused significant harm to Scottish football.

Doncaster was hired to do a job. That includes elements that I don’t agree with. Much of Sevco’s ire is to distract their support. I think most other CEO’s would have folded under the pressure.

Enjoy the day, off to my jog.

big packy
May 13, 2020 8:37 am

HI JIM ,never thought of that ? how are you today

May 13, 2020 8:38 am

Twists I agree with you about too many teams etc. I live in N America and once I got to understand their system of feeder clubs I thought that would also work in Scotland Mahe sees the systems over here maybe he will feel the same as me. You can’t improve the system by continually doing what you have been doing for years and hope it will eventually work
Goodnight Timland

The Gombeen Man
May 13, 2020 8:40 am



This was about replacing the 5WA with a 1WA agreement.

Their way.

Till later

big packy
May 13, 2020 8:42 am

aff oot dugwalking

May 13, 2020 8:42 am

The expected pile of pish from Ralston in the DR today,throwing about percentages as though they matter if they are below the percentage needed.

Hers the deal,Gary. Your mob needed 32 votes. They got 13To put it another way,they needed another 29 from the 39 remaining. They got ten.

That’s not ten votes of no confidence in the SPFL,as you state in all your wide-eyed hyperbole,looking for some gloss on a right good tanking. It was ten votes in favour of an independent enquiry,many of whom might have wanted one simply to shut you lot up for a bit.

Another way of looking at it? Needing 29 and getting ten is a bit like getting beat 6-2. And claiming a moral victory.


Awe Naw
May 13, 2020 8:51 am

If it wasn´t for the spectre of Covid-19 then Sevco would have got what they wanted. If they are not torpedoed below the waterline before a vaccine is found then it will come back.

Sol Kitts
May 13, 2020 8:56 am

Jim 8.19
Me too ??

May 13, 2020 9:10 am


But for COVID-19,we would be quadruple treble winners by now and their board would be too busy firefighting a financial tsunami to even raise their heads above the parapet. They saw this crisis as an opportunity,as is typical of them.

As is also typical of them,they attempted to use it to their own advantage with no thought whatsoever to the wider game.

Lawwell,Doncaster,Regan et al put the blue pound above moral,ethical and legal grounds in 2012. We knew them that there wouldn’t be any humble show of gratitude and that their supremacy would be as bad as ever. The last few weeks have only been one example of that.

They made a very poor decision for reasons that were wrong then,and have been shown since to have been wrong with every scribble of a crayon from the hun cesspit.

I’ve found that a very good way of dealing with my own mistakes is to admit to them,apologise unreservedly and learn so that I don’t make the same mistake.

In fact,I can recommend it.

Bada Bing
May 13, 2020 9:22 am

Government minister just said PPE for transport workers is ‘not appropriate….’ 20 bus drivers in London dead through Covid, the Unions should say no PPE ,nobody works.Its fkn unbelievable what this government is getting away with.

Sol Kitts
May 13, 2020 9:25 am

I’m no fan of Neil Doncaster, but let’s put something out there to consider. We’ve heard, and some of us have written here, that the SPFL is the clubs, and the executive are there to guide, question, but ultimately do the clubs bidding. ND as CEO is effectively the mouthpiece of the clubs, just as our own PL is there to be DD’s mouthpiece. But they are also the shield between the outside and the boss. If they do their job properly (in the eyes of the boss) they are handsomely rewarded for ensuring their fan is as far as the shit goes.
In this context, perhaps ND was under instruction from the clubs to try to shoehorn Sevco straight into the Premier league, but was stymied when the supporters made the clubs think twice? Same when he tried to get them into Div 1, and eventually allowing them to jump an established queue to join the lowest league as a new entity. And when he conferred the history of Oldco onto Sevco?
If he was under instruction, he was obviously content to do so, or he would have walked. Maybe it was his idea, but without his boss’s agreement he wouldn’t have been able to act. Any CEO who operates without the boss agreeing with his actions is on a slippy slope to his next appointment. So maybe he feels the reward for taking the flak for the clubs decisions regarding Sevco makes it worth doing.
Just like PL, he won’t be going anywhere soon. The flying shit hits his fan alright, allowing the boss to make sure that the buck doesn’t even slow down when it approaches his desk.

Awe Naw
May 13, 2020 9:38 am


I believe so too but the run has to come to an end at some time. It is an added bonus that they are no longer involved in this years Scottish cup.

We all know how Sevco behaves. Animal instinct.

I think when you analyse the external infrastructure surrounding Scottish football and in contrast how it has behaved in comparison with 2012. Then it is fair to say that the external infrastructure consider the current emergency to be far more dangerous to them than the 2012 liquidation.

There must be a reason for that.

Charlie Nicholas believes “Its strength as a club has dwindled away to very little.
“This is their last chance to restore some sort of significance, influence and stature in Scottish football.”

Now don´t get me wrong he will say something else today

I understand the SMSM print media pandering to their customers.

I don´t understand why in 2020 BBC Scotland has never been brought to book.

They are clearly the establishment club within the entire UK still. You do not get handled with the kid gloves that they get handled with unless you are.

They will be given an amnesty and will start next season on the same points footing as everyone else. If they are punished for their behaviour – doesn´t look like it – it will be a paltry financial fine only. They own the SFA still. Therefore they will also start the season fully involved in European football. Their main debts are to the major shareholders. So not a concern. Close Bros will happily sit in the background creaming increased interest payments for decades. It also makes no sense for Ashley to be too demanding. He only wants to see the money and eventually he will get it but only if Sevco survive as a going concern.

I think there may be two issues still at play here to explain why the external infrastructure being so obsequious.

The pigs ear silk purse that is sevco is becoming less believable for the gullible

Covid-19 may well and truly wipe them all out.

May 13, 2020 9:47 am


The problem with events of 2012 is that the SPFL didn’t exist then,and that blurs the issues-and the recollection. The SPL,with Doncaster at the helm,controlled the upper echelon while the lower tiers were,as previously,administered by the Scottish League.

I’m willing to be corrected here,but the original plan was to shoehorn the newco back into the SPL as if nothing had happened! That the majority of the clubs finally demurred-apparently in the face of a season ticket boycott-suggests that they were never that keen.

Makes you wonder who had the chutzpah and the presence to make a case for it in the first place? Hmmm…

The next move was for them to apply to the Scottish League-but in their top tier! And to add emphasis to this,the lower league teams were told that if they voted against it,they would be permanently excluded from an expanded SPL,which would encompass the top two divisions only.

Disgraceful behaviour,quite frankly. They were being told that they would no longer be able to even aspire to join the big boys-as some of them had already done in the past!

Turnbull Hutton of Raith Rovers called them out publicly. Clearly,others called them out subrosa during the meeting. Rangers were bombed out of the SPL-AND the Scottish League!

Enter the infamous 5WA. An agreement,btw,on which the clubs were not allowed to vote. Doncaster certainly wasn’t taking his direction from the clubs in late July 2012. Everyone involved in the enablement of the contents of that document should be hounded from the game. Including the gemini twins of RFC1872 and Sevco5088

They believed that they were saving the game in Scotland. They were only sowing the seeds of its destruction.

Awe Naw
May 13, 2020 9:50 am

Sol Kitts

I think the 300K a year helps.

The TV deal is based solely on Old Firm games. No Old firm games then no TV deal.

No TV deal then no 300k a year. No professional game in Scotland

The only faction that jeopardizes the TV deal is the Sevco board.

May 13, 2020 9:50 am


How can it not be appropriate for the employees if that same government is telling people that they should wear a face mask if returning to work via public transport?

And if you need public transport to travel to work,where are you supposed to buy a mask? Try buying one,yer onto plums.

Oh,that’s right. Bawjaws has said people should walk or cycle.

Echoes of Jarrow and Norman Tebbitt.

He’s a prick anaw,world is full of them.

May 13, 2020 9:59 am


I think UEFA may approach FFP for the next few years with kid boots rather than their usual tackety ones which will let the huns off the hook,give them the fumes to survive on.

They did well in Europe this year,and it would be churlish to deny that. But I don’t think that it’s churlish to suggest that they really benefitted from some great draws in every round of ties. They might be that lucky again this year-but that’s four throws of the dice with no guarantee on any of them.

Yet it’s four throws of the dice that their entire future depends on. No European run puts them out of the game. Kaput,no ifs and no buts.

Awe Naw
May 13, 2020 10:12 am


yes I entirely agree that is why there will be no obstacles to their UEFA participation.

I will go one step further and say that regardless they will have to cut their cloth accordingly. 8 years of 10m pound losses is unsustainable. To catch up they will need to 8 years of 25m losses.

Celtic PLC getting its cake and eating it.

The Charlie Nick quote above is telling as that is exactly how the huns are thinking.

They are not prepared to do the hard slog they are entitled to be top dogs. They have been sold a pup however and the pretense that they haven´t is not killing them, they cannot be killed.

The question is will the financial reality ever dawn on them ?

Sol Kitts
May 13, 2020 10:18 am

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not attempting to defend ND. He may have been the architect of the 5WA, and may have been the main proponent in the attempts to allow Sevco into the highest league possible, but ultimately he may also have been working on instruction from the clubs, who were happy to allow him to see if they could get away with it, right up to the point where the supporters, perhaps for the first time, got together and said NO WAY. The thought of lost season book money across the board focussed minds, and made them think again.
I’ve been involved in enough workplace scenarios to know that having a well-placed ( and well rewarded) fall guy is a boss’s idea of heaven. As long as he stays within corporate law, and doesn’t alienate the customers too much, the boss can use him to get away with anything. He can either carry on taking the flak and draw his salary, or resign with a large pay off and a non-disclosure agreement.
Doesn’t make it right, by the way, just the way it is.
Personally, I think he needs to go, along with the whole rotten corporate structure, and I include the blazers at the SFA in that. I feel, however, that he has effectively taken the heat off the clubs all through his tenure, right up to the point where a line was crossed and Sevco forced the other clubs to defend him.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you? They basterts wouldn’t have seen 2013 if it hadn’t been for the rest of the clubs letting them break the rules, and ND being prepared to facilitate this travesty.

May 13, 2020 11:14 am


I know where you are coming from on this,but the upshot of the lower league clubs being bullied was that they demanded equivalence afterwards when the Scottish League was disbanded.

Doncaster wasn’t a fall guy in 2012,just taking orders. Neither was Longmuir of the SL. They DROVE the narrative for reasons of their own.

The format of the SPFL precludes any office bearers so driving any narrative,issuing threats or demands. It now has to consult with its members and in the event of an unforeseen or otherwise important circumstance,ask those members to vote on an issue.

And then act accordingly.

Doncaster is effectively a box ticker for the direction of the clubs. He has no input to the game other than that and his efforts in funding it through TV and sponsorship.

And frankly,that last paragraph suggests that he is being paid significantly more than his value.

Bada Bing
May 13, 2020 11:47 am
The Gombeen Man
May 13, 2020 11:48 am

The UK’s highest court has said Gerry Adams was imprisoned illegally by the British government when he was interned without trial in the early 1970s.

The Supreme Court has quashed his two convictions for trying to escape from the Maze Prison.

Lawyers for the former Sinn Féin President had argued that those convictions were unlawful as his detention was unlawful.

They said his detention order was flawed because it had not been “personally considered” by the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland in accordance regulations at the time.

In a judgment this morning, five judges, led by the former Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland Brian Kerr, agreed.

In their ruling, they said Mr Adams’ detention should have been authorised by the Secretary of State personally and because it was not the order to detain him was invalid.

They said his detention was unlawful and as a result his imprisonments for attempting to escape were also unlawful.

Delivering the judgment this morning, Lord Kerr said the five Supreme Court judges unanimously allowed Mr Adams’ appeal against his convictions.

“Mr Adams detention had not been lawfully authorised”, he said.

“His detention was therefore invalid and it follows that he should not have been convicted of attempting to escape lawful custody.”

Mr Adams has welcomed the judgment and called on the British government to identify and inform other people whose internment may also have been unlawful.

In a statement, he thanked his legal team and the Pat Finucane Centre which he said had in 2009 uncovered communications from July 1974.

“Of course internment, later described as detention by the British, was never lawful. In fact it set aside the normal principles of law and was based on a blunt and brutal piece of coercive legislation

“I have no regrets about my imprisonment except for the time I was separated from my family.

“However, we were not on our own. It is believed that around two thousand men and women were interned during its four and a half years of operation.

“I consider my time in the Prison Ship Maidstone, in Belfast prison and in Long Kesh to have been in the company of many remarkable, resilient and inspiring people.

“Internment like all coercive measures failed.

“There is an onus on the British government to identify and inform other internees whose Internment may also have been unlawful”, he said.

RTÉ News

Sol Kitts
May 13, 2020 12:26 pm

FFS, just received a letter from Essex County Council telling me that because I am offered a flu jab annually, I am high risk if I get infected by Covid, and I should not go out or have face to face contact with other people. 7 weeks into lockdown!!!!! Nice to see they’re on the ball ??

May 13, 2020 12:57 pm

About 2 years ago i was driving south on route 101 from san Jose when I was overtaken by a green sports coupé with a registration Henrik7. Not you per chance?

May 13, 2020 1:32 pm

The Gombeen Man @11.48

Ya couldn’t burn the Brits’ necks with a flame thrower if you tried. Internment without trial illegal – no shite!!

Almost 2000 individuals were interned without trial. The vast majority being Irish Nationalists suspected of being involved in paramilitary activities, wrongly in many instances. Many of these men suffered state sanctioned torture and brutality whilst held captive. Only 100 Loyalists were ever interned much much later – a rather cynical and obvious ploy intended to try and demonstrate interment wasn’t specifically aimed at the nationalist community.

A thing of beauty
May 13, 2020 1:37 pm

Good article mahe. I personally think there is far too much emphasis on reconciliation and moving on for there to be any punishments for sevco. Reading back this morning awe naw and bmcuwp seem to agree there will be no problem with them getting into Europe next season. I tend to agree but listening to last nights phone in raised a question for me. Basically a hun was on foaming at the mouth about all sorts of stuff including Celtic having £40m in the bank and furloughing staff. Now is this eejit telling me that the Huns have not put their staff (that they can) on furlough? I cannot believe they are being benevolent and helping the country so if they haven’t furloughed them why not? Is it because to use the furlough scheme tax must be up to date. As I say this guy was going off on one so I can’t take his word for it but are we aware if they have taken advantage of the scheme and if not is it because they have another tax issue?

Awe Naw
May 13, 2020 2:27 pm


my back of a fag packet understanding was that all playing and executive staff at Sevco have deferred 50% of their wages for three months. So for April May and June they will expect only 1.5 month wage. That means in July they will expect 2.5 months wage. Don´t forget that self employed employees do not qualify for furlough. I reckon most players are self employed and clubs have contracts with their agencies. That is the most tax efficient way for everyone involved. Also 2,500 K pounds a month is the maximum. So not much available from furlough to help compensate those players. Sevco will be making very little savings except on other staff which will not amount to much. Tellingly the players agreed to this so that the other staff could be paid and not lose any income. Off course I wasn´t surprised that not more of this was made in the media. There cannot be much left in the pot when Sevco have to defer circa 500k a month to help pay the rest of their staff. Sevco pay £649,771. on player wages. I reckon when you add management and executive pay deals your looking at around 1 million a month. Hence my 500k figure.

So on top of the ten million hole + whatever Ashley gets awarded (I have a feeling here that this will never crystallize as a damages bill issued from the court and some kind of dodgy deal will be done). Why else would Sevco countenance a merchandise deal with a House Of Fraser subsidiary. The Close Brothers will be prepared to hang around for decades with punitive interest charges. Memorial walls will be happy with 500K

So the ST money coming in (normally circa 22 million over a year) lets presume they get half of it and the 15m from Uefa 1.5m from the spfl. Will leave them with 38.5 million to play with.

28.5m – ( 10m hole + 1.5m + July wages of 2.5m + 0.5m) will leave them with 14m quid going into the new season.

I presume that Close Bros will get some and other clubs will get their transfer. So lets assume they are left with 7m if they manage to get a retail deal of the ground.

That´s enough to survive until Christmas. The second trench of ST money of 11m should see them survive until the end of next season.

The Gombeen Man
May 13, 2020 3:11 pm


I’d a quick look earlier and didn’t see it on the main BBC site, that’s why I posted it.
Gerry was my local TD for years and I’m delighted that he has pursued this and given so many folk a chance to clear their name and possibly get some recompense for their unlawful imprisonment.
Fair play to the Pat Finucane Centre too.

The Gombeen Man
May 13, 2020 3:18 pm

The Scotsman, 6th April…

Quoting from the Sevco statement that announced their Furlough Furlough arrangements.

“The statement added: “Due to the extraordinary challenges from the ongoing crisis, Rangers intends to implement the Coronavirus job retention scheme for a number of employees. Rangers will ensure that everyone furloughed under this government scheme will receive 100 per cent salary through ‘top up’ assistance from the club with all other conditions and benefits remaining unchanged.”

I’m not sure if they’d dug up the pitch at that stage in preparation for the forthcoming null and void declaration.

May 13, 2020 3:40 pm

So now that Gerry Adams has received some belated justice, will the British government issue an apology to him and the many others who were illegally jailed during the troubles? After all it was a political decision by Ted Heath and the Tories to introduce the policy. Seeing as they are back in power at the moment it would seem appropriate eh?

big packy
May 13, 2020 3:43 pm

AFTERNOON ALL and JIM young boy racer nearly took the side of my car off there only about 18 in a souped up ford rs something or other, straight across the slip road did not even look, good job for him I wasn’t in my truck, he would have been needing a new paint job ??

big packy
May 13, 2020 3:48 pm

MCAFF, wee joan, just gave me a haircut, why should I pay 5 quid when wee joan only charges me 4-99, hey im Scottish, tight is my middle name??

May 13, 2020 3:52 pm

Packy, does your car have dashcam?

big packy
May 13, 2020 3:53 pm

JIM ,no but im going to get one?

May 13, 2020 4:01 pm

That wee bugger of a driver needs telt a lesson. For his own sake if nothing else!

May 13, 2020 4:03 pm

That £10m hole i’d expect it has grown this year. they bought 4 or 5 players after then (including Ryan Kunt) all valued at £12m, with no sizeable outgoing sales, so i’d assume they need to fork out on second instalments, plus as you say Close Bros, Legal fees from court cases (not awards) etc..

big packy
May 13, 2020 4:08 pm

talking about road rage, funny story was in a traffic queue on the M6 jct 10 Walsall, used to be a notorious blackspot for jams, im sitting there stationary, a guy pulls over next to my truck, hey dickhead he says to me im trying to get off at this junction your blocking me, FFS there were about 15 trucks behind me stationary, I could not move, now after a load of abuse, now bear in mind this guy was only about 5 foot 6, I climbed down from the cab, and he looks up at me and says, ok mate I can see your hemmed in? another true story

big packy
May 13, 2020 4:10 pm

JIM, yes these boy racers annoy me greatly? im probably jealous cos im not 18?