Donnybrook At Paisley-And The Old Man In The Park

Morning,all.
Recent attacks on migrants by Scottish thugs are grabbing the headlines at the moment,and disgraceful as these events are,they are no surprise to many. They are certainly no surprise to us,or any other member of the population with ancestry from outside of Scotland. Reading about it reminded me of a little-known excerpt from Celtic’s history,so I contacted the author of it for permission to republish it here. 
He gladly agreed,and reading it again,I saw a reference to one man in particular. What little I knew of him was prompted by reading about him elsewhere-so again,I contacted the author to ask if I could use part of his factionalised tale as an addendum. He agreed also,I’m glad to say,so with grateful thanks to those two fine gentlemen…
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Hard to believe, but back in the early days of Celtic’s existence the team would travel by train, pile off at the station and make their way to the pavilion at the ground by horse-drawn carriage.  This would have been the case back in February 1893 as Celtic travelled to Gilmour Street station Paisley for a league match with Abercorn. Underwood Park was the venue which was only 250yds east of where St. Mirren’s new ground stands now.  St. Mirren’s new home is affectionately known by some as “The Methodrome” because it is built on the fringes of the once notorious Ferguslie Park housing scheme.

In a surprising outcome Celtic would lose the match, but it is what happened afterwards that serves to make this an incident of note.

The result was a surprise to the local hacks too as the Paisley and Renfrewshire Gazette reported;

“Who for a single moment had the faintest idea that the Abercorn would prove capable of accomplishing what any other club in Scotland of any standing whatsoever has failed to do, viz; defeat the Celtic.  And that in a league fixture too!”

“Underwood Park was filled with the biggest assembly of the season.  Abercorn brought goal nets for the first time into requisition.  They worked very well and greatly assisted the referee in discharging his arduous duties.”  

Celtic were slightly weakened by the absence of Willie Maley, with Hugh Clifford filling his berth, yet still fielded a strong team:

Cullen, Reynolds and Doyle; Clifford, Kelly and Dunbar; Davidson, Blessington, Madden, McMahon and Campbell.

The green and white stripes went 2 goals down and equalled the scoring with goals by Davidson and McMahon respectively.  After losing a third before half time they fought valiantly throughout the second half having most of the play and lost a clincher in the final few minutes.

Although Abercorn played well Celtic had most of the possession and the Scottish Sport reported, “It was a great game but the best team did not win.  Campbell and McMahon did yeoman service for their club.  Kelly shone at half”

When the final whistle sounded a melee extraordinaire ensued. The Scottish Sport reported, “We understand there was a scene at the finish of the Abercorn versus Celtic match.  The Underwood committee will have to see that the visiting teams are protected.  It is the second time this season that there has been a disturbance at their enclosure with the rough treatment which their players were subjected to at the Abercorn ground last Saturday.”

The Paisley & Renfrewshire Gazette took the Arsene Wenger route and although acknowledging an incident took place they saw and knew as much as Sergeant Schultz!

A sports journalist from the Scottish Sport was out on the randan in Glasgow that night and per chance bumped into Johnny Madden, who played for Celtic in the match, and gave him a first-hand account of the stramash. The journalist explained;

“When doing the rounds (Glasgow) on Saturday night in the company of a few of our cycle racing cracks, the Celtic centre forward hove in sight and enlightened us with a graphic account of the treatment to which his team was subjected to at the conclusion of the Abercorn match.  Madden says that when the conquering heroes were borne on high to the pavilion at the end of the match, the Celtic players were attacked in the most bitter fashion.  He never witnessed a scene like it in any football ground.  First of all he was struck on the face with a stick and at the same time saw Reynolds, Doyle and others receiving blows.  Dan (Doyle) as they say in pugilistic language being fairly lifted off his legs.”

“When doing the rounds (Glasgow) on Saturday night in the company of a few of our cycle racing cracks, the Celtic centre forward hove in sight and enlightened us with a graphic account of the treatment to which his team was subjected to at the conclusion of the Abercorn match.  Madden says that when the conquering heroes were borne on high to the pavilion at the end of the match, the Celtic players were attacked in the most bitter fashion.  He never witnessed a scene like it in any football ground.  First of all he was struck on the face with a stick and at the same time saw Reynolds, Doyle and others receiving blows.  Dan (Doyle) as they say in pugilistic language being fairly lifted off his legs.”

“The Celtic players had to fight their way into the pavilion.  Madden lays the onus of the fracas at the door of the Abercorn spectators.

The Scottish Referee published this differing account. “It was an altercation of a boy with Dan Doyle whither by banter or deed that started the ruction.  Some act or other raised the spirit of the big Celt, and whether a man half his size deserved it or not, true it is he received a blow on the nose and mouth which knocked out a couple of teeth.  A participator in the melee caught Campbell by the throat, apparent by a couple of bruises shown thereon.  Kelly the most amiable and quietest of all fellows was made acquainted with the unfriendly toe of someone’s boot.  Whacking became general!”

The Scottish Referee report continued,” One unfortunate individual received a crushing blow from Reynolds, dislodging 2 teeth and breaking a third and causing heavy bruising.  A complaint was made against Reynolds and he was taken into custody in the course of the evening.  The matter however was amicably arranged later on when the assaulted party withdrew the charge when a promise of reparation had been agreed upon.”

The Celtic committee were appalled at the incident and took immediate action engaging the authorities,writing to both the S.F.A and the league.  The Celtic secretary wrote;

“I am instructed by the committee of the Celtic Football Club to write you regarding the brutal conduct meted out to our team last Saturday at the match versus Abercorn Football Club in Paisley.  We do not complain so much of the conduct of the spectators during the match which in all conscience was about the worst our team had ever experienced on a football field. The execrable oaths and blasphemies yelled by the spectators being simply indescribable but at what occurred immediately after the referee blew his whistle at the end of the game.  So soon as the game ended the spectators rushed in from all parts of the field and cheered the Abercorn players, hoisting them on their shoulders and blocking the way to the pavilion.  Our men were unable to enter the pavilion, were assailed by all sorts of vile epithets by the crowd and were kicked and otherwise severely assaulted and battered.  Kelly, Doyle, Gallagher (Celtic Linesman), Madden and Campbell being specially selected for the favours of the crowd.  There were only 3 policemen on the field and they were utterly powerless to preserve order. In the interests of football we trust that you will see your way to do whatever you consider is right to prevent the re-occurrence of the above. 

James Curtis (Secretary)

Eventually another 4 policemen arrived but that was after the big picture had finished!

The Celtic complaint came up before the S.F.A. meeting 10 days later on February the 21st.

Archibald Eaglsim (sp) of Abercorn had submitted a request for more time to speak to his committee and the case was shunted backwards to early April when Abercorn proffered the time honoured defence of “It wisnae us it wiz them that started it”.

The Scottish Sport took the view, “Referee McQuarrie (Partick Thistle) evidently failed to report the recent fracas at Paisley to the S.F.A.  It is severely consistent with a conscientious discharge of duty.”

“The Celtic complaint re the Underwood treatment was evidently not considered important enough for the calling of a special committee and was evidently too important to be remitted to the privacy of a business meeting.  The compromise is the equivalent of shelving it.”

Eventually a hearing was held with the SFA committee taking the view by a majority vote that Celtic must prove that Abercorn did not make sufficient provision for the safety of the Celtic team and the onus was on Celtic to prove assaults took place.  

Later in April the note below was published in the sport jottings section of the Scottish Sport.

“The Abercorn claimed 10s in expenses incurred by them in meeting the recent charge unsuccessfully preferred on them by Celtic.  On the grounds that admission of such a claim would form a bad precedent. It was declined.”

Abercorn who played in white shirts and blue shorts at that time were founder members of the league in Scotland and dropped out of the league around the start of the Great War, eventually ceasing to exist some 5 years later leaving the football scene in Paisley to St. Mirren alone.

The local council had requisitioned the land where the match with Celtic was played for stables and Abercorn F.C. moved to the outskirts of the town at Ralston before becoming defunct.

Celtic went on to win the European Cup.

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As I noted earlier,one of our players that day was Johnny Madden. Johnny Madden is more than just a former Celtic player. More than just a legend from our past. He may,in fact,be responsible for The Panenka! He may also,as creatively related below,be why Lubo signed for us!**

“At the end of one game, we noticed that our match had been watched by a few spectators, one of whom was an old man in a wheel chair. He was very animated this man. He had a nurse with him who kept telling him to be quiet, but despite this, he continued to shout instructions at us boys. The instructions were in broken Czech and they were barked – he seemed angry to me, he spoke in a funny accent – yet he also seemed knowledgeable about football and at the end we were taken over by our coach to meet him as apparently he was quite famous – or indeed had been famous at one time.”

“He was introduced as “Dedek” or Grandpa and he was 80 years old. We were told that he was the Grandpa of Czech Football. He had been the manager of Slavia Prague for 25 years and had won many championships, including what could be regarded as the forerunner of the European Cup. He coached in a different way to anything or anyone that had come before. He knew about tactics, and muscles and physiotherapy long before anyone else. He was a national hero! He had helped coach the most successful national teams, at the Olympics and in the lead up to the world cup. We hung on his every word.”

“However, the strangest thing about Dedek was revealed in a ten minute story he told me that day. For despite being a hero in Czechoslovakia, he was born in Scotland – in a town called Dumbarton. He was a riveter in a ship yard and played football part time for the local club and he gained some success getting to the Scottish cup final in 1887. Then he said everything changed – changed in a way that he could never imagine, that you would never believe.”

“In 1888, he was asked to turn out as a guest for a new team – for a club to be called Celtic in Glasgow. He was reluctant at first but eventually agreed. He told me that there had been several attempts to start a club called Celtic and that they had all failed. He honestly felt that this club would fail too, but this time there was something different. So– on the 28th of May 1888– Dedek became the very first player to kick a ball for Celtic Glasgow. He was their first centre forward, and as such he took their first kick off and so started the whole Celtic ball rolling– literally. They played against a team called Rangers Swifts and won 5-2.”

“After the game there was a celebration which Dedek went to, and at that party he was asked to join Celtic permanently, but he said no.
He returned to play for Dumbarton, which was a good team then and about 25 miles from Glasgow, but could not get the Celtic thing out of his head. He was pursued by other clubs from England but kept bumping into a Celtic man called Glass and another called Maley who promised him that something special would happen to him at Celtic Park– a park that the supporters built themselves Lubo. The way he spoke, it was as if they said that Celtic Park had been fashioned out of magic – you know like by a wizard? Eventually he signed for Celtic in August 1889 and stayed until 1897. He was apparently like you, Lubo, an entertainer, good feet, ferocious shot and a crowd pleaser. His nickname there was the rooter – because his shots were so hard they uprooted the posts. He won leagues and medals with Celtic and never left until he was forced to retire from the game.”

“After he retired from playing, he went back to working in the shipyards but kept up to date with football. He travelled, and in 1905 Celtic toured through Europe and by coincidence came to Prague. By design or accident, Dedek came too and somehow got the job of managing Slavia Prague on 15th February 1905. He was a huge success and he never went back to Scotland.”“But on that day in the Letenske he said that his whole life in football truly started that day he turned out for a team called Celtic. As a young boy, I listened to this old man in the park and he told us that if you can play football at all then you can play at Celtic Park in Scotland. He said it was a place where, for some, their real destiny awaited and that strange and wonderful things happen there. 
******So there you have it. Two moments in our history,as told by IAIN REYNOLDS and by BROGAN,ROGAN,TREVINO AND HOGAN,intertwined and brought to you because of thuggery on our streets by people with a history of unsanctioned violence against immigrants. Yet Scotland is all the better for those immigrants of the past-we won the European Cup!-and present,and football in Czechoslovakia was also shaped by an immigrant. As too was football in most of the South American countries,as an example. A tale for another day perhaps,but meantime I’m most grateful to IAIN REYNOLDS and by BROGAN,ROGAN,TREVINO AND HOGAN for their efforts and for the history lesson. 

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Fantastic work,lads. Terrific writing and research,so thank you very much.

Apols for the slightly off editing as I can’t edit once published. Heyho.

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NAPSTERS,follow the link…

https://sentinelcelts.com/2020/06/18/scotlands-shame/comment-page-4/#comment-77465

For the rest of us,a few Hail Marys and a 100/1 shot!

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Note that Abercorn had the gall to claim the costs of the sham and shameful hearing from Celtic.

Yesterday,a spokesman for thuggery blamed the presence of an Antifa flag,insisting that it was the cause of their violence. Victim blaming has a long history,indeed.

Mysterious Lady

Brilliant article today Mick. Great work from those bhoys.

Twisty

Reading yesterday’s government update on phase 2. Kinda confused by some of it.

You can visit the zoo now apparently. Good news I guess as it’ll generate much needed revenue. Similarly there are other attractions that can now open.

On a few different occasions however it reiterated about keeping to the 5 mile radius.

How does that work?

Serious question btw I’m not being flippant. Does it mean you can break the 5 mile rule to visit the zoo, or do you have to live within 5 miles of the zoo to visit?

One reason I’m asking is that I’ve been informed I can access my caravan again on 2nd July, but again, how does that work?

It’s 26 miles away.

Not very clear tbh.

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MYSTERIOUSLADY

Thank you,but the work was theirs. I know them both,and I just thought that recent events showed that some people don’t just refuse to learn from history,they’d prefer it not to have happened at all. And that those articles just fitted together.

I’m amazed that the SNP administration have allowed this mob to maraud for six years. I wasn’t surprised at it beforehand,but after the scenes in George Square in 2014,I thought they might have gone for the jugular.

I’m no fan of the SNP,that is no secret. But seeing your supporters attacked-and you’re in power,remember?-and not telling the police to enforce the law for SIX years,that is a dereliction of duty.

These thugs need to be removed from the streets. The police know who they are,cybersurveillance and CCTV ensures that. Until there is a willingness to do so,you and I may live like most of the rest of us,but they will do what the hell they like.

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TWISTSNTURNS

Drive five miles,stop. Stake a claim,like they did in The Wild West. Repeat until you get to your destination.

Returning,if stopped,just ask the officer to accompany you to your nearest claim.

Then phone PF.

jimthetim53

One thing that is common all over the world with the governance of the pandemic is that politics comes into it.
Take Nicola Sturgeon for instance. She is driven by a desire to do things differently from England. Wee bits here and there and when she is forced to do something similar to England she will delay it by a week or two. She must be seen to be in charge of Scotland and not Westminster. For that reason and that reason alone.
If ever there was a common cause where we should be working hand in hand with our nearest neighbours, this is it. But no there are bigger issues, like future elections.

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JIMTHETIM53

I think you speak for many of us here,bud. Her Nicolaness seems to have placed great store in being first with an update and making sure it is more draconian. I refer you to a comment from my sister a few days ago,who is on the frontline.

That you obviously read.

It’s a fucking nightmare for them,meanwhile we have people playing politics.

jimthetim53

Bobby, I think she would happily continue with the most draconian lockdown possible as long as Scotland’s statistics came out better than England’s. People’s quality of life doesn’t come into it.

If England came up with a vaccine I bet she would come up with a reason to decline it. Better to wait for a Scottish vaccine!

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We need a MACVAC and we need it now!!!

jimthetim53

Yip, we need a Penicillin Mk.2

jimthetim53

Bobby, two good stories this morning & the link.
On the Abercorn one, why did the Celtic fans not come to the player’s aid?

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At a guess,when we went 4-2 down we effed off to the pub!

The Gombeen Man

As a regular visitor to Newry I’ve always been intrigued by the statue to John Mitchel. Mitchel. was an Yong Irelander of Presbyterian birth who escaped to the US from imprisonment Tasmania.

He also kept Prison Journals, which many will have read.

Unfortunately the story goes off script at this juncture. Mitchel was staunchly pro slavery and produced a newspaper which advocated slavery. He lost two sons fighting for the South in the US Civil War is quoted, “We deny that it is a crime, or a wrong, or even a peccadillo to hold slaves, to buy slaves, to keep slaves to their work by flogging or other needful correction.”

This was all known at the time and yet Mitchel has a statue in his honour in Newry?

Anyway, Willie Maley is a son of Newry and yet no statue, despite a number of attempts to have one erected. Ulster Unionist David Taylor and the Belfast Telegraph have no objection to a statue.

Sinn Fein have recently moved to support a proposal to erect a statue, which is hopefully a sign of healing.

History is a complicated subject. The problem with it is that it creates an internal filter or lense. We struggle to see the truth.

Just pre-recorded loops of programmed non thinking and knee-jerk reactions.

“Willie Maley is Celtic’s longest-serving manager, but there is no memorial to him in the town… could it be because his father was a soldier in the British Army?
The man dubbed ‘Mr Celtic’ spent an incredible 43 years in charge at Parkhead. Now, local historian John McCabe hopes current Hoops boss Brendan Rodgers can help rekindle interest in erecting a statue in his honour
Willie Maley keeps a watchful eye over his Celtic side from the dugout at Parkhead

He’s been hailed as ‘Mr Celtic’ – the man who shaped the Glasgow football club into one of the world’s most famous teams, leading them to 30 trophies during an astonishing 43 years as manager.

But in Newry, where Willie Maley was born nearly 150 years ago, the Celtic icon is a largely forgotten figure – despite efforts in the past to honour him.

A junior football competition and a Celtic supporters club were named after him, but some observers have speculated that the lack of any major recognition for Maley could be due to the fact that his father was a British soldier.

Willie Maley was also a self-avowed monarchist, who even introduced the Union flag into the design of an early Celtic pennant.

But now Newry historian John McCabe has revived a campaign to have a statue erected to Maley, whose historic links with the city he thinks should have been marked long ago.

John, a former member of Sinn Fein, says: “The council actually approved the idea in principle 16 years ago, but nothing ever happened. There was one delay after another, like funding, and the whole thing was put on the long finger.”

John adds that some republicans have been reluctant to embrace the statue plans because of Maley’s family links to the Army. “If that is the reason, it is very sad,” he says.

“Newry is a Celtic town and without Maley there would never have been a club like the Hoops.”

Maley’s father, Thomas, who was from Ennis in Co Clare, was a soldier with the 21st (Royal North British Fusilier) Regiment, based at barracks in Newry in the old White Linen Hall, where the Mourneview Park housing estate now stands.

It was in the barracks that Willie was born in 1868, but the Maleys moved to Scotland when he was just three years old.

They were invited to Glasgow by a young Irishman whom Maley snr had helped during an uprising and who had become a successful businessman in Scotland.

Willie Maley, after a flirtation with athletics, showed promise as a footballer in Glasgow, joining Celtic in 1888 and becoming their first secretary/manager nine years later…

“Knowing he was the first manager and from Newry, I’ve looked into his history. He was the guy who started it all rolling and put us all under pressure to win. It’s a club with immense history and Willie was a pioneer.”

Maley learnt accountancy and book-keeping and his business acumen helped to mould the club off the pitch, while his football knowledge and tactical skills created glory days on it. Several years ago, a book – The Celtic, Glasgow Irish and The Great War: Gathering Storms, by Ian McCallum, a former soldier, included references to significant parts of the Maley story.

McCallum also drilled down into the social history, political atmosphere and wartime experiences of Glasgow’s Irish Catholic community at the time.

He said Maley was dubbed ‘Mr Celtic’ and he described him as the club’s most striking figure, who had no time for the sectarian nature of the rivalry with Glasgow’s Protestant club, Rangers.
Nowadays, the Glasgow club’s supporters are, in the main, Catholics, whose controversial Green Brigade have opposed the wearing of the poppy and have sung pro-IRA songs and displayed republican banners.

But, in Maley’s day, Celtic’s support included many soldiers, who were offered free entry into games and Army bands played before kick-off. Maley organised football matches against military teams and there was even a Celtic cricket side.

During the First World War, Maley used his connections to place his players in “reserved” occupations, such as mining and the shipyards, to guarantee they wouldn’t have to fight overseas.

And he sent telegrams after games to regimental offices so they could distribute details of matches along the trenches to their men in a bid to bolster morale.

One observer said of Maley that he was “a devout Catholic and ardent royalist, an Irish nationalist, imperialist, socialist and supporter of the British Army and establishment.”

Maley unearthed great Celtic players, like Jimmy Quinn, Patsy Gallacher and Jimmy McGrory, but Parkhead associates from the era said he was autocratic and obsessed with money.

One biographer wrote: “Financial parsimony was only one aspect of Maley’s character. Another was sheer obstinacy and stubbornness; that he – and only he – knew what was best for Celtic and he would decide.”

Maley, however, had to cope with a number of tragedies in his own family life and at Celtic, including the accidental death of goalkeeper John Thomson, who was involved in an accidental collision with a Rangers player during a game in 1931.

John McCabe says that Maley, who died at the age of 89 in 1958, was a fascinating man, whose statue could become an important tourist destination in Newry.

He said that councillors had backed his proposal in 2001.

“My thought back then was that the statue could be erected close to where the Army camp stood between 1800 and 1929, not far from the historic White Linen Hall arch.”

John says that the Ulster History Circle had expressed an interest in putting up a blue plaque to remember Maley.

And there were rumours that the statue project would be bankrolled by wealthy figures south of the border.

“But the plans never materialised,” adds John.

“However, I think the time is right to look at the idea again.

“We have a new council in place now, so I would hope there would be massive support for the statue and I would be happy to see it going up anywhere in the city.”

John says most other towns and cities would jump at the chance of developing the tourist potential of a Celtic giant.

“Like Willie Maley, the statue would be a winner,” he says.”

Belfast Telegraph 2017

jimthetim53

The Gombeen Man, a great post. Willie Malley is quite a complicated figure for some Tims eh? Pro Army & a monarchist!
One thing I will say about the British Army. It’s heavily dependant on when and where. I have no problem with the army who fought against the Nazis in WW2. Nor WW1. How they behaved in eg. The Troubles is another story! I have read several times that many soldiers hated serving in the North at the time. They felt conflicted. Others loved it with a relish.

Garry

BMCUW
Great read to start the day. I had read the piece by Jim before, but still brilliant. Was wondering if ‘The Bear’ is related to Celtic player Reynolds?

Garry

BMCUW
Do you happen to have BRTH’s article on ‘The Clydebank Blitz’ handy? Was trying to find it to share with my weans, but can’t find it. One of his best pieces of work. Many Bankies don’t know the full facts of the night oor wee toon was almost wiped out.

England medical chiefs say Level 4 to be reduced to Level 3,I think the Action Plan now indicates SD can be reduced or minimized

McCaff

Garry, is this the article you’re thinking about…
https://broganrogantrevinoandhogan.wordpress.com/2013/11/

The Gombeen Man

Jimthetim,

I guess many of us are of mixed lineage if we dig back and find the truth.
The trick is I suppose not to live in the past but respect it and find out the truth and grow from that experience.
Otherwise it’s just a case of eat, sleep, rave, repeat…
Newry often crosses my mind when I hear the words “Willie Maley was his name.”

Funny how Willie might still inspire some light and reconciliation to his birthplace.

Good luck with the horses, if you’re still in the running.

Sol Kitts

Jimthetim53 and BMCUWP
I’m amazed at the way wee Nippy gets a free pass with how she’s handling the pandemic in Scotland. People appear to have forgotten, or perhaps are just ignorant of the fact that health is.a devolved power. The scandalous loss of life in Scotland’s care homes is down to NHS Scotland, yet her government’s part in this is largely brushed aside. Can’t have the numbers make the great leader look bad.

McCaff

Garry…from my local Parish history, St James’s in Renfrew. The Church took a few stray hits during one bombing raid. Three Polish soldiers, who were apparently in quarters in the Church hall, sustained fatal injuries. A memorial plaque recognises their bravery.
http://www.ostrycharz.free-online.co.uk/PolonicaRenfrew.html

Garry

McCaff
Brilliant mate. That is the article. Thank you very much. I thought that I knew the history of the blitz, but that article by BRTH really educated me further.

Garry

McCaff
I had read about those 3 Polish soldiers. They are remembered along with other Poles who sacrificed their lives, at Solidarinosc Plaza memorial, opposite Clydebank Town Hall.

*from last post,the Scottish Medical Officer also says we should move to Level 3.

leftclicktic

Another great read today,thanks to all who’s input made it happen.

Garry

Leftclick
Great to see you post. Hope you and family are all doing well in these difficult times for us all. ??

leftclicktic

Garry
All good here.
Can’t visit my man but the home are doing a fantastic job of caring for her.they video call my wife and we get to speak to her ,but the mobile phone confuses her as much as a laptop does.:))))))).
Ps I’m an avid lurker on here,keeping an eye on you all :))))

McCaff

Garry, I’ve just read that BRTH article, I’ll be honest and admit I was ignorant to the extent of the attacks and the damage done! We should never be surprised at the lengths Government will go to hide the truth from us. Typically from BRTH it was superbly written and I’d recommend any and all on here to have a read of it.

Garry

Leftclick
Hope you get to see your mammy soon P.
Saw the weans a fortnight ago, for first time in a couple of months. Had a wee garden party for my birthday. Was great day. Take care big yin.

Garry

McCaff
When BRTH first published the article, my niece was at Saint Eunan’s Primary Clydebank. Her teacher was a childhood pal of mine. I recommended the article to her, and she based a history lesson/project around it for her pupils. BRTH was pleased that he helped educate the pupils of his old Parish. Coincidentally, the teacher and BRTH share the same Donegal roots and surname.

McCaff

Garry, I don’t know if you looked at the images attached to the article but there’s a detailed map of where the bombs landed and a legend of bomb size and its expected blast area…Jesus! it’s horrific. Also, I’m reading the comments at the moment and Sentinel Celt Voguepunter was one of the first to post!!

Chalmersbhoy

Good luck today for the napsters

Garry

Chalmersbhoy
Hope we are level on £34 in an hours time ?

Chalmersbhoy

Garry
Got a winner in the last 7/1
Fanny Logan.

Mahe

Happy Friday troops,

Jim a Gosden horse just won the 3pm.
Hi to our own Miles Davis in Cheshire also.

Stunning morning here, father in law coming for the night tomorrow. We get along fine. Got ribs for grill.

Hail Hail

big packy

AFTERNOON ALL and JIM, see my horse came in 100/1 bhoy can I pick them, eat your heart out garry and jim ???

big packy

HI MAHE, hows trix

big packy

FAN, if your lurking cheers for that doggy post last night, much appreciated?

Garry

Chalmersbhoy
Nice one ?
See our horse has slid to 40s.
Chance to overtake Bada ??

Garry

Mahe
Think your dog Hamish would have beaten his horse namesake in that last race ?

Garry

BP
100/1 winner!
Aye, and then you woke up and had your Coco Pops ?

big packy

garry, I was trying to keep it a secret???

??? Celtic plc hun lovin criminals

Give me the SNP over the we love the orange order Scottish labour & the orange order members of the conservative party.
Some parties talk about helping the most vulnerable & some actually do.
All full time carers like me who don’t have a second income whom rely solely on benefits will this month receive a payment of £460.

Not much folks eh ? Well it is when your yearly income is no more than 6k.
This scheme (only in Scotland)has been running for just over a year. They doubled the amount due to the pandemic & the hardships now faced.
Remember there are thousands unable to cross the doorway of their homes & thousands more shielding them as best they can. They & we are never mentioned except by the Scottish government daily updates.

There’s no wall to wall coverage by the media as we see with the economy schools travel & every other sector. Reduce the social distancing, ease this, lets get back to normal ?
May i say inconsiderate bastards tory minded self self self bastards.
This virus hasn’t gone it is with us & will be for a long time, just as those most vulnerable haven’t gone. The normal will kill tens if not hundreds of thousands more.

Also the UK government only gave deaths in hospitals & was forced to follow the Scottish government in giving the number of deaths across all settings & not the other way around.

Freedom in my lifetime not more of the same were you couldn’t & can’t put a cigarette papers width between the 2 main parties.

Garry

Raymac
From last night. I watched an interview with Chrissy Hynd a few years ago. She said she was playing a gig with Pretenders in Manchester I think. After the gig, she found a pair of trousers in her dressing room. She asked someone, whose trousers they were? The guy replied, “If there’s brass in the pockets, their mine.” Having just arrived from US, she had never heard money described as brass, and it inspired her to write Brass in Pocket.

Garry

Celtic plc hlc
I have always voted Labour. Recent years I have voted SNP. I will never vote for Unionist Labour party again. Have not heard anyone from Labour Party condemn the fascist scum in George Square this week. Only heard condemnation from SNP and Green Party members. Those fascists are the core voters for the Unionist parties like Labour and Tories in Scotland. Shameful.

big packy

AFGHAN, don’t know where to start with that post, I did not know you were a carer, im just fucking gobsmacked at the fucking money you are supposed to live on, good god almighty we are back to the dickens era and food tables, god bless you pal and maybe we could put something together with mahe and bobby to help you out, im in even if nobody else is,.luv ya to bits pal?

jimthetim53

I’m in with that Packy.

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