Watching the Watcher’s
If you didnt read the latest statement by Fans Against Criminalisation then do yourself a favour and digest this excellent, straight to the point piece of work.
We missed blogging about the kettling incident but are well aware of it after promoting the initial rally on these pages, and were naturally saddened and upset about what we see as harrassment for simply asking for rights, rights that are promised to you under the law.
As many of us will know the dying main stream media does still unfortunately hold some sway over the populace there, so its very encouraging to be reading the bare naked truth on the pages which have traditionally been used for control and profit.
You may recall an open letter by Celtic fans calling out the board was refused in the rags and had to find a home abroad, its been ten years or so but here we do see fans having access to broadsheets, so one small advancement has been made, whether profit driven or not.
The cops themselves wont like being called out but then again they are thick skinned, and they have got away with their actions before despite outcry for instance heres an article from 2013 showing the exact same thing
If anyone can look at the similarities between the two incidents and not see an agenda then check yer pulse pal. When allied with the notorious dawn raids for songs and being filmed constantly its clear the Green Brigade have been designated a problem group that will come up against heavy handed tactics and the weight of the state in the courts.
But yet this isnt just a Tim problem. In 2017 the Rangers fans themselves were also kettled with the article and photos here apologies for the source
Anyone studying the pics or footage of these events will not see rioters forced together or a mob finally back under control or anything like that. You will see unreasonable actions by those with authority and numbers plus a blatant abuse of power caught for eternity.
All three occasions are also accompanied by strong words of condemnation, some from folk in positions of supposed authority, yet here we are and would you bet against it not happening again within a year?
For a nation that really really needs the fans to cross the turnstile, having the lifeblood of the game mistreated repeatedly with impunity flies in the face of reason. We have already seen them cost the public purse a fortune with a botched pursuit of Craigy Whyte, and now when we are in virus territory their actions could be considered extremely dangerous for public health. Ive yet to read reason why they kettle, they just do.
In these strange times with zero fans in attendance or limited numbers only, its only natural that the policing presence around games is reduced, but as a whole they will still be under pressure to justify their budgets,numbers, policies and the football fan has long been a soft target in that regard. Make an enemy out of them and you will always have an enemy around to police as they simply must come and thus your presence is justified. Dont be surprised if the checking of illegality and clamping down on anything at all actually increases the amount of arrests or fines per supporter attending when the lockdown is lifted for fans.
Its disgusting, and many of those cops will have jumped at the opportunity for weekend overtime pretending to do something useful for society, but actually just flexing muscle and helping divide it a little bit further.
Its not fans that need watching, its them.
The above is by Mahe. As usual the email is email@example.com
Usual thought-provoking article from yourself, Mahe.
The use of ‘kettling’ In normal times pales to insignificant in these pandemic times, not just for the ‘kettled’ but the ‘kettlers’. I don’t think much of their Police Federation as a Union anyway , but, allowing tactics that increase the risk of your membership seems a dereliction of duty to me.
Anyway, as usual well behind and saddened to read of my (and everyone else’s ) good friend Garry finding himself without work. KTF as always and The Big Man will see you right.
I well remember young Ryan and Dublin equally and a great time was had even though the Guinness didn’t flow quite so well due to the laws which were changed the following year I think !
Look forward to a pint together in The Crown Creighton sometime soon! I gave it the full title to raise Mahe’s blood pressure ??
Twists: I am in for the naps. Well done again on your charitable efforts and even better done on stuffing the bookies! Don’t know which is more enjoyable Hun or Bookies stuffing !
Twists- I think the True Celt that is Gordon 64,will be up for the naps competition.
Just catching up.
CCB- glad you’re in again.
Bada – I’ll add Gordon in. Ty.
Registration closes approx 11am Sat morning.
Jimmy Not Paul
Cosy Corner Bhoy
No night shift last night on SC? Unusual?
New Naps Competition
Starts on July 4,with a slightly different format.
Selections from UK and Ireland meetings ONLY on the applicable Saturday. A non-runner can be replaced with a selection on the Sunday.
ALL selections must be entered before the first race of the day.
Points will be decided as before. An imaginary £1 stake,and winnings credited to your running total.
Competition will run for forty weeks-which means,I think that it ends on April 10-Grand National Day.
After 20 weeks,the entrants will split into two groups,Premier League and Championship,based on standings at that stage.
Prizes are as follows.
Premier League Winner-£100
Additionally,there will be separate competitions for The Cheltenham Festival and for The Grand National Meeting,each with a first prize of £30.
And the Brucie Bonus of an extra £50 will be available for the spawny git who manages the treble!
So that’s £300 to play for next season,which is more than the SFA have managed to get in sponsorship for the Scottish Cup. Might be worth investing in Timeform,I reckon…
PS-there will also be a Royal Ascot competition. Prizes as follows…
2nd…£15 free bet
3rd……£5 free bet
I’m not sure of the rules on the Royal Ascot competition. Bobby’s arranged that one, but I’m assuming the same as this years Ascot one kindly ran by Chalmersbhoy?
Anyhow- should be good fun so cmon, get yer names in. I’d like at least 20 to allow the league splits to be 10/10 minimum.
Yes, I did wonder about Ascot, as that is after your competition ends.
Youngest home, late afternoon, I will tell her the good news.
Yes Bobby kindly added that one.
Speaking off Bobby – where is he? Very unusual he’s not here.
Ah you’ll be looking forward to her homecoming today eh.
I agree with FAC.
It’s something, I keep a close eye on and had a first hand account of, as H.T. was there.
Clearly Police Scotland were out to get TGB, what happened was others at the rally stood in solidarity with TGB, so they were kettled too, including a priest.
It should be noted that TGB have been attending anti racism rallies, since at least 2015 and it’s actually nothing to do with Green v blue and statues, despite what politicians, press and police try to suggest.
The silence after the kettling from vast majority of politicians, disgusted me. Mr Kelly who supported end of OBAF act, was a notable exception.
My opinion is it was payback time by Police Scotland and politicians for The Green Brigade, playing a huge part in ending the OBAF.
I miss her telling me, I’m dumb when i m doing her school work, with her.?
Thankfully it’s now the school holidays.
MORNING ALL AND JIM, yes mahe good article, the police love kettling, makes them feel superior TWISTY, the names keep coming, im worried about me and jims title hopes??
I’m just trying to make sure I don’t get relegated to the championship at the split!
Mind you, if I do, I might have a league reconstruction Or put in a legal challenge. ?
Have you and Jim sorted out yer plan to empty the bookies satchel for yer charity bet? Just keep me informed bud. Ty .
TWISTY, just sent you an e-mail?
Very good article my friend, which reiterates the Sentinel name of the the blog. Very good article in the Herald by Jeanette Findlay of Fans Against Criminalisation and Call It Out. My only surprise is that the Glasgow Herald printed it. Brave lady is JF who suffers abuse from the usual suspects in Glasgow, due to her social conscience and calling out the racists and fascists in society. One of the best tributes to our dearly departed friend Helen I read, was from her friend Jeanette Findlay. Have had the pleasure of meeting both these very strong, brave ladies. They both are a credit to Celtic and our West of Scotland society.
I was unfortunate to be caught up in the kettling incident at George Sq and any attempt to leave was met by physical force and threats of being lifted by the police. Myself and a couple of hundred others, made up mostly of the GB, anti racists, trade unionists were kept in the square for around 30-45 minutes and due to the nature of kettling the two metre distancing rule couldn’t be adhered to. There was a wee boy with a skinhead behind me aged around 11 who looked quite frightened and it took a while before him and his father were allowed out.
After a discussion by one of the GB members with a senior police officer we were marched to Glasgow cross still under a heavy police presence were we where kept again for a period of time before being dispersed 5-10 bodies at a time.
I asked a police officer could the person who was with me be released as they were diabetic and needed water, my request was refused. I further asked the same copper why they didn’t manage the previous demo where loyalists, nazi’s and various far right groups were running amok in the same fashion, his reply, was, that was a different day, now step back from me or you’ll be arrested under Section something or other. I also noticed on dispersion that everyone who was let through was being videoed by two cops at the neck of the kettle. It was heavy handed and in my opinion, it was done solely to target the GB.
Thank you for your kind words. Easter 2016 was Ryan’s first visit to Dublin. He wanted to be there for the 100th Anniversary of the Easter Rising. His maternal Great, Great Grandfather Tracey was born in the Irish capital and lived there during the events of 1916. Do you remember the couple from USA we met in The Flowing Tide pub? The Gallaghers. It was their first ever visit to their Grandfather’s City too. Ryan still communicates with them both on Facebook. They still comment on us crazy Scots who gave them the best Rebel singsong they had heard. ?
Hope we can share a few pints together soon again P. Peace and Love sent from Clydebank to Kilwinning. ??
Noel- I could be wrong,but I think ‘our’ side of any demo,is the peaceful side,if they tried to kettle the Statue Loyal nazis,there would be a battle,and God forbid, they would be forced to actually arrest them for breaking the law, and it would look bad for all if it was on TV,just my own take on it….
Good to see your fabulous name grace this site again. I was also in George Square a fortnight ago. I luckily was to the north of the square, and was able to leave safely via West George St. What I witnessed by Police Scotland that day was the epitome of fascism. Hope you are well and continue posting here more often. ?
Noel- and obviously the inherent bias and sectarianism of this country….
Bada, we know it. Political policing as per.
Garry, thanks for the kind words and I hope you and all the other posters are grand.
Always enjoyed your contribution on here.
Hope you stick around to add to the debate here. ?
Afternoon all, I hope this finds all Sentinel Celts in guid fettle!
Big Jim Packy, I hope all’s well in the Packy household this morning and that you and Wee Joan had a restful sleep.
JtT, how are you pal, any mair o’ thae fightin stories?! 🙂
Garry, and anyone else in need of a walk down memory lane, Hidden Glasgow Forums if you’re patient with it, throws up some wee gems….Worst Pub for instance..
Worst pub I have been in, is Walter Smith’s old place. The Rosevale in Partick, for obvious reasons ?
How do I join the naps table please lads ?
Hi all. Hope you are all well, it’s been a while since I posted. Unfortunately I was very ill and just getting back to feel fit enough to post again.
Happy to join in the naps comp. What do I get for last place? 🙂
Take care, HH
Garry, I’m really struggling with it at the moment but of the top of my heid The Tall Cranes is right up there!!
Tall Cranes aye. Up there with the Albion, Wine Alley.
Garry, the Park Bar, Cessnock full of horrible Hun bassas any night of the week! The Mucky Duck, used to be the White City for any older readers, was as dodgy as feck…I was always happy to get a knockback at the door!!
I was never in the Albion but I was in the Cranes a few times, and knew half the folk in it but it just felt unsafe! And it always seemed like it had just been in the news for multiple stabbings whenever I was in it!
Funnily enough. The Park Bar Dalmuir is the only hun shop in our area. It is a decent well run pub though. I am friendly with the owner.
I went to see my old man one night and asked him what he’d been up to that day. He’d gone a wee pub and bookie crawl in Govan…Black Man, Old Govan Arms, Richard’s before heading up to Linthouse pubs. He walked into Richard’s and there was a woman on the floor getting the stuffing kicked out of her…all the punters just sitting about watching it, Richard behind the bar just watching it! My old man just turned about and left!!
Garry…just found this on the Hidden Glasgow Forum…
Postby Socceroo » Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:32 am
Richard’s Bar Govan Road……………a tumbleweed special………
Customer …”Pint of lager please”
Barman ….”Ye drank in here bifor”
Customer …”Ehm…No..i don’t think so”
Barman….”Then get yersel tae f**k”
HaHaHaHaHa, see whit ah mean!!!!!
…and then this…
Postby Socceroo » Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:18 pm
The Tall Cranes…..jeeeeees…….i forgot about that one. It is by far the worst. I think it holds the record for the most amount of fatal stabbings in and around it, in Glasgow.
I once went into Smugglers Bar Yoker. There was two dogs humping in the middle of the pub, with everyone watching and laughing. Like your dad, I turned around and left. Don’t know why I was in a hun shop in the first place. Lesson learnt.
Good article Mahe.
Scotland has a long way to go.
The comments on the Herald article offer a clue to the best wee countries mindset.
Scottish police are a huge part of the problem and in their present unfettered make up no solution at all.
Uniformed bullies with an agenda.
It was a sex education class the pub was holding for its regulars.
They weren’t taught in school.
Garry… that’s the old joke “Da, why am I called Two Dogs Fucking?” 🙂 🙂 🙂
Bada Bing, Police Scotland know only too well that the Green Brigade can easily be kettled because it’s not generally in their nature to physically defend themselves. My youngest son who is a trained boxer was one of the ones who got kettled but refrained from using his ringside skills even under the most severest of provocations. The GB appears to prefer to use social media to expose the denial of their human rights and slowly force change that way. I know the police tactics that day have been questioned by some senior Scottish politicians and we will see how that develops. The GB are also building alliances with other progressive groups in Glasgow and perhaps getting involved in a scrap with the police would put that in jeopardy. I’m looking at this from the outside and I don’t know for sure. I must admit though there’s a bit of me that would like to see the demonstrators adopt some of the tactics used by protestors in South Korea and other parts of South-East Asia, who often turn up for demonstrations in full “protective” gear and give the police a good going over when they are attacked. I’d pay good money to watch that. In fact I’d even buy a season ticket to watch it.
M6Bhoy…you’ve called it right! It is provocation and will continue until either 1) the GB adversely react to it or 2) the polis get telt to behave by their masters ie The Scottish Govt. My fear is the Scottish Govt can play the long game but there’s a limit to the patience of the GB!!
Hahaha. Aye probably ???
There is another Ultras group at Celtic Park, Bhoys. They are not pacifists like The Green Brigade. They were also in George Square a fortnight ago, with a few of the old Celtic Soccer Crew. If it ever kicks off, my money would be on the latter two groups being involved. Polis in Glasgow know this too. Green Brigade are the easy targets because of their professed pacifism.
Sorry to hear you’ve been ill. Hope it’s all plain sailing from here on.
I’ll add you to the list. Welcome.
Registration closes approx 11am Sat morning.
Jimmy Not Paul
Cosy Corner Bhoy
Reports Elyounoussi on loan for another year
Hearing news that Moi Elyounoussi is signing on loan for another year. Delighted with this if true.
Hope our information is true. ?
Good news also that it’s a loan so no hefty fee involved! I’ll be delighted to see a fully fit Moi in the team again!