Financial Flimflammery-The Beautiful Game

Morning,all. 


As I pointed out the other day,it’s a long time since we saw Celtic play. Seventeen weeks tomorrow,to be precise. And while some leagues have returned solely to finish off their seasons behind closed doors,they’ve only done so in order to avoid paying out hefty sums in compensation to their paymasters,the TV companies. 


Football is nothing without the fans,as Jock Stein so memorably and accurately stated over fifty years ago. Yet for years,the clubs have treated the fans with utter contempt,believing that the income derived from them was so dwarfed by income from TV that they didn’t matter. 


Heck,most clubs could easily allow the fans in for free,so minimal was matchday income in their great scheme of things. Instead,many of those clubs have alienated a large proportion of their fans.

Oh yes,they’ll still turn up,still buy their season ticket. But there has been a lingering resentment building in the support of many clubs at the ownership,and the cavalier manner in which they are dealt. As an example,Valencia fans are a tad miffed with their club,and particularly with its ownership and how they run things. The daughter of their Singaporean owner Peter Lim soon reminded them of their place in the pecking order. 


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‘Here again. Some Valencia CF fans are scolding and cursing at my family and I,’ Kim posted on Instagram, in a post which was later deleted. ‘Don’t they get it? The club is ours and we can do anything we want with it and no one can say anything.’ 


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And so it goes. Wigan Arhletic revealed during the week that they will enter administration,and the newly-appointed administrator has already stated that there are a number of interested parties. Up to twelve,depending on which report you read. Surely then,the current owners would have been better appointing someone to find a buyer? After all,they are on a terrific run of form which has seen them midtable in The Championship after last year’s promotion. A twelve point penalty roots them in the relegation zone,about six points from safety. 


Surely this has nothing to do with reports of large bets being placed on their relegation,despite that run of form and mid-table safety? I sincerely hope not,but I think that football associations the world over need to tighten up their regulations. The game has never been murkier. That’s what happens when money becomes the ultimate goal. 


Where there’s brass,there’s muck,you might say…


Up here in Scotland,where the paying supporter is much more important than in most countries due to our pathetic TV “deals” we can fondly claim to be trailblazers in the sport. Just like back in the day when we showed the world how to play-Google “The Scotch Professors”-we can also proudly say that we’ve been contemptuous of our support since time immemorial. A few instances over the years spring to mind. Rangers offering to play a mini-tournament in aid of victims of the first Ibrox disaster in 1902 then throwing a wobbly when the winners actually kept the trophy! Or the same club trying to use the donations for victims to pay off fines after the 1971 disaster-Google “Foul-Falling Masonry” or our lot filling the ground with imaginary priests to avoid paying tax on income-while denying having the funds needed to buy players. 


Or Wallace Mercer trying to buy Hibs,just to close them down. 


Now we have the unedifying sight of Rangers trumpeting their new deal with Castore,and how it breaks with the loathed-by them,I’m a big fan of Ashley(!)-Sports Direct. Their hordes buy the season tickets,order up the new shirts in huge numbers-and huge sizes,btw-only to find that their tat can only be bought from…


The same outlets as before,because Mike Ashley hasn’t gone away. And neither has the court judgement he still holds over them. 


Or our lot. A few days before the finalandwemeanitthistime deadline for season tickets,they release a statement thanking supporters for the uptake so far. And reminding everyone of a waiting list for people who do not have a ticket,but would like one. Subtle,eh? Again,treating us with contempt. Thinking we can’t see through the application of the thumbscrews. 


Just to apply the pressure,they announced that the fabled 10,000 long list of wannabe season ticket holders had mushroomed to 17,000. Just like that,a pandemic phenomenon. As the cost of being on the list is £10 per person,I look forward to seeing that £170,000 in the accounts. Especially as it should be in an escrow account. Still,at least we don’t charge £50 a year,like that other mob. 


But the ultimate in contempt from the clubs isn’t actually shown towards the fans. We aren’t important enough for that. Oh no. It is saved for UEFA and in particular its attempts to regulate spending in the game. Many of you will remember the fun we used to have wondering which method of financial flimflammery Minty would use to boost the balance sheet at Ibrox when it was clear to all and sundry that they were trading while insolvent. Fortunately he knew the answer. You really should read this link,btw. It’s from 2003!!!


https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12532276.rangers-balance-sheet-boosted-by-hike-in-ibrox-stadium-value/


Well,Juventus and Barcelona seem to have found a way to BOTH make a profit of around €50-60m from a transfer deal,and which they can use to offset against Financial Fair Play regulations. Miramel Pjanic moved from Juventus to Barcelona. Artur Melo moves in the opposite direction for a similar fee of about €80m. 


As both are on four year deals,the annual cost to the clubs of each player is a quarter of the fee. That lovely word,amortisation.

Income,however,is booked immediately. 


Voila,a huge profit for both clubs,and more vickies to UEFA.

A one-off,just a coincidence,eh? How about this,then?

“Juventus have confirmed the signing of Portuguese winger Felix Correia while Pablo Moreno joins Manchester City.”

I’ve never heard of either of them,and I’m pretty sure few of you will have. But they’ve booked fees of €12m,so there’s another €9m to play about with. For both clubs. And all three clubs have existing FFP problems. Some coincidence. I wonder if Man City will buy a player from Bayern to cancel out the fee involved for Sane?

Oh,and the best laugh about the Pjanic move? Barcelona put a €400m release clause on him! I think they’re safe there,but it inflates their balance sheet again. 

It’s all very well and good to bring in rules and regulations to preserve the purity of the sport and to prevent corruption,but when those rules are being bent or broken with impunity,then UEFA have to up their game. This pandemic may be occupying the attention of everyone for a while,but the opportunists have never downed tools or gone on furlough. They’ve upped their game,and UEFA need to be wise to it,as do we all. This isn’t being ripped off for a face mask that you never EVER expected to have to wear,this is the remnants of integrity in the game we are talking about. 

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Above article by BMCUWP. Even talking about the above,I wanted to mention something else,much more pertinent to our club. I’m holding that one while a few details are confirmed. Meanwhile,send us an article of your own,we always publish!

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New Naps Competition

Starts on July 4,with a slightly different format and some VERY GENEROUS PRIZE MONEY,courtesy of…a generous benefactor!!!

Selections from UK and Ireland meetings ONLY on the applicable Saturday. A non-runner can be replaced with a selection on the Sunday.

ALL selections must be entered before the first race of the day.

Points will be decided as before. An imaginary £1 stake,and winnings credited to your running total.

Competition will run for forty weeks-which means,I think that it ends on April 10-Grand National Day.

After 20 weeks,the entrants will split into two groups,Premier League and Championship,based on standings at that stage.

Prizes are as follows.

Premier League Winner-£100
Runner up-£50

Championship Winner-£30
Runner up-£10

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Additionally,there will be separate competitions for The Cheltenham Festival and for The Grand National Meeting,each with a first prize of £30.

And the Brucie Bonus of an extra £50 will be available for the spawny git who manages the treble!

So that’s £300 to play for next season,which is more than the SFA have managed to get in sponsorship for the Scottish Cup. Might be worth investing in Timeform,I reckon…

PS-there will also be a Royal Ascot competition. Prizes as follows…

1st…..£30free bet
2nd…£15 free bet
3rd……£5 free bet

And,even better-we will have a DEDICATED NAPS PAGE every week. This one! So please enter your Naps here.

https://sentinelcelts.com/2020/07/03/the-sentinel-celts-generous-benefactor-stakes/

Twisty

Naps Entrants

Time running out to enter:

( hope I’ve not missed anyone – just shout if I have)

Twisty
Jim
BP
Bada
VP
Jimmy Not Paul
Bobby
Mahe
CCE
Craig 76
Garry
Chalmersbhoy
Mea Culpa
Cosy Corner Bhoy
Gordon 64
AS 67
Bring back Paddy Roberts

Twisty

Bobby
Some very interesting and pertinent points in there. Hadn’t thought about the £10 per head waiting list. As you say, the accounts will be interesting.

(Took me back actually to a story I’ve told on here before re the “ millennium club” for which I was paying for the privilege of being in, only to find out I was being cheated. Conned. A victim of fraud. So angry was i that I made a long round trip to CP from Oxford and back to confront them. Anyway as I say, I’ve told the story before so won’t bore ya with the full details again)

The remnants of integrity. Good description.

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TWISTSNTURNS

Please do tell it again,mate. Helps to remind people of what we are up against-and always have been!

I’ve put up a dedicated article for the naps competition,so posting a link to it every week should mean that life gets a bit easier for the invigilator. That’s you,btw. Keeps a running tally on events.

I was sure I mailed RAYMAC yesterday to ask him about his absence,and also about the competition. I know he’s not been well lately,and I don’t like to intrude-but I can’t find any record of it. Not even in unsent. Puzzling,but this iPad needs a restore,that’s for sure.

Not helped by Apple withdrawing software support three years after purchase btw. Talk about planned obsolescence? Basterts.

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Interesting article about that Juventus/Barcelona sham.

As it’s from Forbes,it is mainly a financial viewpoint. And actually,that-as they explain-is really the raison d’être of the transaction.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobbymcmahon/2020/07/02/pjani-and-arthur-the-latest-in-a-series-of-terrible-barcelona-deals/#26196b457a1a

Twisty

Bobby
I’ve got RayMac details somewhere. I’ll dig them out.

The millennium club was one that I joined as I wanted season tickets for my kids and my nephew. They said if you joined, you took priority on the list. Paid a monthly subscription. So I took 4 x subscriptions.

I’d been calling regularly to see how far up the list I was. I’d still a fair wait to endure as it happens but never mind. I’m on the list, so it’s just a waiting game.

I was chatting to a pal of mine. He says “ Hey J, are you still on that Celtic waiting list thing?”
Confirmed I was and he says “ well 2 Celtic supporters I work with ( my pal is a Gers fan) walked into CP yesterday and got 2 season books, and they’re not even on that list”

I thought it was a wind up, but he tells me he’s not jesting. Says they were in Glasgow, and on the off chance, dropped into the ticket office and walked out with two books. He says” I’ll give you a phone number if you want to check yourself”

I called the chap up and he confirmed the story. What’s more he tells me to feel free to use his name if I was going to pursue the matter.

I drove up overnight from England and went straight to the ticket office. I was actually standing outside waiting on it opening. To say things got heated would be an understatement. At one point they asked me to leave.

I told them when I did leave, I’d be heading directly into Glasgow to avail myself of the services of the best lawyer I could find.

Ultimately they told me to go outside and calm down and come back in 15 minutes. I did. Walked out with 4 x season books.

There was another wee bit of drama to the entire affair actually. When I went back South , the first match the kids used the tickets was an evening one which I couldn’t travel up for. Got a call from one of the boys. “ Dad, can’t see much in this seat. There’s a pillar right in front of me!”

Resulted in another journey North, and this time they took me into the stadium, and let me see the alternative seats I could redirect to.

So all good in the end but the whole episode was extremely stressful. The sense of anger I felt when I first heard the two bhoys had got tickets sent me loopy. Or loopier than normal ?

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And another one.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chloeberesford/2020/06/28/transfers-barcelona-juventus-pjanic-arthur-sarri-midfield/#66432cc83609

I’m not a fan of cookies/data mining,but it’s fascinating some of the links I get sent after doing some reading up.

Twisty

Bobby
Sent Ray an e mail. Hopefully reaches him ok.

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TWISTSNTURNS

Never ceases to amaze me when companies-including Celtic-rip the piss. Do they think we are all idiots,or supine? In the case of Celtic,we can only walk away,we can’t really go elsewhere. Even those who do,it’s an empty feeling watching another team.

But in general,treating customers badly is a shocker. You don’t just lose that customer,the chances are that you’ve lost a hundred potential or current customers too. Because people talk.

It’s often said that good service is its own reward. Variations are available,but the reason for that is that people expect to be treated decently,and while they may thank the person at the other end,they don’t really think about it too much. Sure,a bunch of flowers or whatever may turn up-but would you be likely to bore yer pals wi a tale of just how wonderfully Asda treated you when you took back a paperback you’d bought because some bastert had ripped out the last twenty pages?

Naw. You wouldn’t have many friends left. And Asda certainly wouldn’t gain from it.

Tell them that the person you spoke to burst out laughing and called you a chancer,ALL of your pals will tell ALL of theirs about TWISTY and Asda. And none of them would be back. It’s how it works.

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Good lad. I’ll send him one too. Pity about the one yesterday. Dunno what happened.

Chairbhoy

BMCUW…

Good Piece on the murkier world of the beautiful game.

“Just to apply the pressure,they announced that the fabled 10,000 long list of wannabe season ticket holders had mushroomed to 17,000. Just like that,a pandemic phenomenon. As the cost of being on the list is £10 per person,I look forward to seeing that £170,000 in the accounts. Especially as it should be in an escrow account.

It’s been a curious mix of information on our ST sales, they have had a few insights over on CQN. It may not be as confusing as it seems.

My understanding is the sales have been slow and that the deadline was extended. Celtic ticketing staff came off furlough and went back to work last week. This could explain a lot…

If Celtic have sold 42,000 season tickets, very good really but less than the 52,000 they would have expected before the pandemic and of course the number the PLC will still try to hit.

Last week someone stated they joined the waiting list at circa 10,000, it, as you say, is reportedly now 17,000.

The ticket office have been contacting fholk and asking why they haven’t renewed.

So let’s say the always optimistic Board dreamed that their rather curious carrot and stick approach to this season ‘s, season ticket sales would work. It hasn’t, it was labourious and fell short.

So they extended the renewal date further into July, brought back the staff and had a push, getting staff to call those who haven’t renewed.

There will be last minute renewals and fholk who can’t do it this season. Are the fholk who can’t do it, given an option of joining the waiting list, perhaps things will be better next season eh?

Many take up this option and the waiting list balloons.

Now the question is, what happens now?

Celtic will be depending on last minute renewals and the
Staff will then contact those original 10,000 on the waiting list to try to bring the total from 42,000 to the magical 52,000.

If I’m right, they may get close.

Just~a~thot

Hail Hail

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CHAIRBHOY

Stick to what you know,old son. And figures seems to be your game,so always good to have your insight.

I’ve little doubt that we will achieve a decent take up this year,far more than,say,2015. But there is a price to pay for lying,and it is called being found out.

Pay us a tenner to join the waiting list! Oh,that’s good,we’ve got a waiting list. Erm,disappeared like snaw aff a dyke in 2015-and not for the first time either. In fact,it has a habit of,well,not actually being there much when tickets are available.

But to say that we have had an increase of 70% in “difficult” times? I won’t call them out for lying,but I’d like to see the proof of it.

Won’t be holding my breath…

Twisty

Any decent goalies on that waiting list?

Twisty

Actually
( and this is one I don’t think JNP will be getting), a relative of mine was a goalkeeper. Played at a decent level. In fact, his only ever medal was win v Celtic in the league cup final. In the 70’s.
Get that without googling and yer doing well!

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Fuxake,Twisty.

Everybody that played against us in a League Cup final in the 70s got a winners medal. I’ll guess Thomson Allan. The only other ones I can think of are Alan Rough,Bobby Clark and various huns.

I was at them all. I hate that trophy with a vengeance,and treasure winning it as a result.

Twisty

Bobby
Ach I might’ve known. How the fff can you remember these things. The Dundee keeper in 73? Mental

Yes yer right. . As always … ?

Twisty

I should also confess I’m stretching the point to say he’s a relative. Related through marriage only.

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Oh,and that semi final against the huns in 2001 has a very special memory for me. Well,a few actually.

Including me complaining about the price of a pint in a certain pub central Glasgow being reduced for the occasion. Work that one out if you can. Gorgeous tall blonde-Angie-from Clydebank who served me that night too,she was a student in Kilwinning for a while. Small world,and she was a bit confused when I said I need to speak to the manager.

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TWISTSNTURNS

I’d discounted the Aberdeen keepers,Rough and all the huns. He was the only one left,and the only reason I remembered him was because he was at World Cup 74.

Oh,and he’d a styooooopit name. You can tell him that.

Chairbhoy

BMCUWP @ 7:43 am,

Yes, any credibility the Board had before the pandemic hit surely must have evaporated as they’ve shown their true colours.

If I’m right and the additional 7K are fholk that have given up their ticket and are to all intents and purposes on the 2021/22 waiting list, to use that as a scare tactic is despicible and tantamount to lying.

There is a huge difference between paying a tenner to be on a waiting list and to purchase a hugely overpriced 2020/21 season ticket.

It’s the indolent, callous way this Board approaches their business that gets me…

It was like when Lenny was appointed. The Board had given the impression that a search for a manager was taking place; with interesting and highly regarded candidates in the frame.

Only to find they had not done a thing, no one was looked at, no one was contacted… no criticism levelled at Lenny here, but the people who are paid a fortune to run our Club are taking money for nothing.

This years season book offered huge challenges. Especially how to support loyal fans who are finding things difficult at the moment, how to support the elderly and infirm fans who want to stay safe? How to allocate match day attendence with a much reduced capacity? Etc etc

A thousand and one qustions and all the Board were trying to do was keep fholks refunds and sell the books…

The snow off a dyke scenario can’t be discounted at this stage. If Rangers are close to us in season ticket sales when the season kicks-off it will be a disgrace.

BTW: Good luck to Wycombe tonight who Wander down to Fleetwood for the Div 1 play-offs…

Wembley! Wembley…

Hail Hail

I put my Bhoy on the waiting list last March, got a call in June to sign him up,they said there was thousands on the list then,it was a Student Ticket,so not sure if they have a quota to meet?

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BADABING

Like I said,I wouldn’t call them out for lying,but I’d like to see the proof of their assertions.

Season Ticket renewed,34 or 35 seasons in a row…..been fortunate enough to do so….

Twisty

Bada
35 in a row! Impressive.

Wonder what CCB is at?

Just arrived at my 2nd home. Forgotten what it looked like

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TWISTSNTURNS

My second home is the pub. I’ve forgotten what it looks like too.

BMCUW- ?
Twists- enjoy a bit of down time,weather not great

seems website having bother with new gear,JD online is fine,free postage code on opening page

Chairbhoy

bada bing1 @ 9:23 am,

Wow! That’s impressive… you have seen some changes. I think we could be in for a few more after 10iar.

Bada’s first XI would be impressive…

Glad your bhoy got his ticket, maybe if we were issuing new season tickets in June our figures won’t be so good.

Hail Hail

Twisty

Bada
The weather is perfect. Hamilton races on today. I love picking horses on soft/ heavy going at Hamilton.
That uphill finish ensures many won’t get home.

Bobby
– pub- second home. Vg ?

jimthetim53

Morning all and Packy. I just wondered out of curiosity who the number 5 for Inter was in the background pic. It was Aristide Guarneri, a CB. He’s 82 years young now! 🙂 It says he was a tough player but not dirty. Never got a red card in his career.

Don’t know anything about finance , so back to football for me . Any news on the lad soro . Mostly I’ve seen clips of our regulars , but nothing of this lad ,who if YouTube is anything to go by is a player alright.

Chairbhoy- I think I named 2 teams of world class players, ive been lucky enough to have seen live at CP,a few weeks ago, and plenty left out of 22….

Garry

Happy Birthday to the big Tim JOBO BALDE, and also Happy 60th Birthday to the genius Vincent Clarke, who wrote this Celtic song.

https://g.co/kgs/THzEW1

Twisty

Cmon roll up roll up:

All ye need to do is shout.

Then pick a nap before the first race every Saturday. Thereafter – a wee contribution to the debates every now and again- and being careful not to our yer self as a hun, and yer in the running for a few £££ but more importantly the title of SC champion tipster.

Mibbes even a double or treble winner.

Simples.

Naps Entrants

Time running out to enter:

( hope I’ve not missed anyone – just shout if I have)

Twisty
Jim
BP
Bada
VP
Jimmy Not Paul
Bobby
Mahe
CCE
Craig 76
Garry
Chalmersbhoy
Mea Culpa
Cosy Corner Bhoy
Gordon 64
AS 67
Bring back Paddy Roberts

Bigrailroadblues

Good morning all from Govanhill. Ordered top from store and sent it to a friend in Ireland. I may have a beer ? and a bet today.

Twisty

As a wee aside to the start of the naps competition, BP is trying to win a few extra ££ for charity. He has teamed up with Jim, ( not sure who is Garry Owen and who is Newsboy) and tomorrow they will choose a horse which will carry a £25 stake.

Make sure ye cheer their selection home.

Well done to both for their generous efforts to raise a few ££ for what I’m sure will be a deserving cause.

Gl BP and Jim.

Twisty

Jim and BP

Just get yer selection to me whenever your ready and I’ll get the bet on with Paddy Power

Twisty

BRB
Good luck. Hope ye win a small ( or even a big) fortune.

Do shareholders still get a discount at Club shop?

Bigrailroadblues

Twists, form has been poor last few days. Made me take to the drink.

Twisty

Cmon cmon
Need a few more in the naps. I’d like at least 20 in order that after the split there are at least 2 leagues of 10.

I’ll be posting a Leo Sayer video every couple of hours until I get a few more.

You’ve been warned.

The show must go on:

https://youtu.be/O6gEkfwozhE

Twisty

Remember there’s a waiting list :

17000 on it. Do you want to risk losing your place ? ?

Twisty

If the Leo Sayer tactics fail me I’ll be undertaking some seriously drastic tactics:

Videos of The Rangers fc’s greatest triumphs….

Don’t make me do it…….

Twisty

NAPS

Twisty
Jim
BP
Bada
VP
Jimmy Not Paul
Bobby
Mahe
CCE
Craig 76
Garry
Chalmersbhoy
Mea Culpa
Cosy Corner Bhoy
Gordon 64
AS 67
Bring back Paddy Roberts

Less than 24 hours to register yer interest ….

jimthetim53

Twisty, a few regulars missing. ATOB, The Gombeen Man, 1Timmalloy. That would get you up to the twenty. come on folks 🙂

Twisty

No JNP today?

Unusual.

Twisty

Jim
Aye. They’ll be sorry if they lose their place

Now 18,000 on waiting list. Honestly .

Jim, when we were younger, my mum used to say ( if I was doubting something she was saying)

“ Honest. True as holy communion” ?

jimthetim53

Twisty, If my mother caught me telling a fib she would say “I’ll tell the priest on you” LOL
She’d be lucky to find one now!

Bigrailroadblues

Twisty I’m in. Please don’t put any more Leo sayer on.?

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