When The Going Gets Tough,,,

Morning,all.

 

Tonight brings us the fourth round of ties in our Europa League group stage. Normally at this time,we would be mentally be grappling with the permutations-an away draw and we are still in with a shout of second place,a win and we could go on to top the group. You know,that kind of thing. Well,those days are gone. At least for this year. In fact,so bad have we been that we are past the point even of playing for pride. We are probably at the stage of playing for the type of surprise result that the Faroes sprung against Austria thirty years ago-aye,THAT is how much of a surprise to everyone that a good result for us in Europe would be.

 

As everyone knows,failure is an orphan,and there has certainly been a number of likely candidates for the paternity of this particular one. As always,no-one is putting their hands up,but a few of the likelier candidates seem to have been getting their alibis in by proxy recently. It is rare these days to click onto the sports section of the SMSM without some insider/former Celt/media hack telling us that we shouldn’t be signing players who flopped recently in England-eh,did you watch Fraser Forster last season,Jackie? Or that we are just as bad as the huns with our sense of entitlement-aye,Leckie. That’ll be you who has criticised the SFA for years over Scotland’s repeated failure to qualify for various Finals stages? Or the likes of Simon Ferry telling us all about Neil Lennon’s training techniques. That’ll be the same fella who left Celtic in 2009,the year before NL was appointed manager.

 

I won’t even mention the Martin O’Neill interview,except to say that when the SMSM are hunting for pro-NL articles then it is time for us to admit that they smell blood,that they are keen for the casualty-for the first time!-NOT to be Neil Lennon. At least,not now

 

When your enemies are lining up to tell everyone what a wonderful job you are doing,it is time to wonder why that might be and to accept that actually the opposite MUST be true. That in fact there is no support from them,only laughter and contempt. And that as ever,the only people whose opinions matter are those of people who matter in the first place.

 

Now,I’m not going to suggest that this site or any of the numerous Celtic sites out there reflect the opinion of the Celtic support at large. My articles only reflect my own opinions,as your comments only reflect yours. Sure,they might be based on (cyber) conversations with other fans,but that is hardly a cross-section of the support. Although I have to say that I have not had a single call,text or mail insisting that Neil should stay in place,that they believe he can turn it round. Even if we would all LOVE him to be the man who leads us to ten in a row,no-one can now see that happening.

 

I’m not even going to suggest that The Green Brigade reflect the opinion of the Celtic support at large. But their demonstration outside the ground the other day with a banner telling NL that it is time up will surely have hurt. It may even have driven the point home. However,all of this is noise when the only people who can make the decision that so many of us think is unavoidable,inevitable and absolutely necessary refuse to move on it.

 

Neil Lennon was brought in as an interim manager for THREE MONTHS and was not allowed to bring any of his longstanding backroom staff with him. That may have been fine,at a push,for an interim manager-it provided some continuity in the coaching staff-but it was clearly not fine in the long term once he had been appointed full time. It is virtually unheard of in the modern game that a newly appointed manager cannot bring in his own team,people who know how to project his ideas on the training ground or in the scouting department while leaving the bigger picture to him-and all the time being trusted and able to tell him when he is wrong! Who does NL have? It strikes me that he is isolated with no-one at the club to turn to for advice,no-one that he can trust to convey what he wants done. Even if,sometimes,he has been the architect of his own downfall by steadfastly refusing to move with the times-and I’m talking here about his refusal to use the technology available to him which is used at every level of the game elsewhere. (Come to that,why isn’t someone employed at the club to oversee that for him?)

 

So,no. I don’t think that the situation is retrievable as it stands. But remember my orphan comment at the top of this piece? There are a couple of others in the frame for it too. And while Neil Lennon has been getting on with his job,I have to suggest that the two in question simply have not. Despot Desmond has a controlling interest in the club-one which I may add has been paid back over the years via his preference dividends,etc-and has said nothing. His puppet in the boardroom,albeit an all-powerful one at that level,has also been conspicuous by his silence. It’s as if they don’t want to be bothered by mere footballing matters as they have more important things on their plate.

 

Well,gentlemen. I’ll give you two footballing matters that might concentrate your minds wonderfully. If Celtic don’t win the title this season,he won’t be castigated by the wider support for costing us our record.

 

YOU will!

 

And do you want to know what’s worse? You won’t be the guys remembered as the gombeens who cost us The Ten. You will be remembered as the men who handed them the authentication of the continuity myth,and a 55th title. You know the price of everything,the value of nothing,but you will shortly discover the cost of thirty pieces of silver.

 


Above article by BMCUWP

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Dharma Bam

Great article.
I only hope that the implications of your last paragraphs bother them enough.

PS Will email you shortly. It was just a shame about my IT man – he don’t care about time! 😉

TheTic

Another great article well written until I got to the end then it hurt because I still pay for CTV and as you say if we had stopped paying , this mess would probably never have happened. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but never in my wildest dreams did I foresee the continuity myth, Resolution 12,Five way agreement denial , or them overspend to the extent they are doing
We are playing in Europa in 13 hours and I almost don’t care that’s how much it has taken out of me

fan-a-tic

Sometimes being a fan of Celtic has its funny moments.
Our expectations and reality commingle .
Today i read something by a Celtic fan that was to me anyway hilarious.
They suggested playing Bitton in midfield to add bite?
Have they ever seen this guy actually play?
It’s like reading about our Ki mark2 (Calum McGregor)
Both have high passing stats but considering they only played short sideways and backwards passes avoiding responsibility that should be expected.
All should be entries if anyone ever writes a book of Celtic myths.

Ayrshire Bhoy

Problem with any PLC is they always have more customers to replace you with. As long as the bottom line is hit and shareholders get their wedge it’s job done. With the return of the ‘Old Firm’ and no movement on res 12 I threw my toys out the pram and said no more.

Did it matter? Not a bit the top tier was reopened, filled and it was job done for the fat cats. Ask your average’Old Firm’ fan about res 12 and they either know nothing or care not a jot about it. Again job done for PLC.

But here’s the rub for Pete and the gang, the 10 really really matters to a big chunk of our support. Failure to deliver will see thousands out the door and they may never come back. Sevco winning the league will be the final nail for many. The day the 5WA, res 12, financial doping, renewal of the ‘Old Firm’ irrevocably smashes through the emotional ties to Celtic FC then Pete has his Ratners moment and hell mend him.

Noel Skytrot

Good article Bobby.
Personally i’ve given up with the Europa and just want us to fight like devils on all domestic fronts and to kick our detractors with a two footed tackle right in the balls. Our enemies in Scotland, who are many, are savouring every minute of this. We need to be stand up and be counted and fight back and having unity will achieve this. Social media is fuelling much of the discontent among the support and is a swamp of negativity in my opinion. We are Celtic Football Club supporters and need to back what we have.

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Repost from overnight,simply for putting a smile on my face these days…
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Auldheid
Laptop did a Rangers at weekend. Bought a new one and its not even the same model so that’s that sorted.

I wish the four Res12 requistitioners had thought of a banner at the 2013 AGM.

November 26, 2020 3:42 am

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Need to improve my proofreading!

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THETIC

“We are playing in Europa in 13 hours and I almost don’t care that’s how much it has taken out of me

November 26, 2020 7:07 am”
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That would be 8pm GMT. The game tonight is 6pm.

Cosy Corner Bhoy

I think ‘ the game tonight ‘ is 1755! That’s five to six in old money….If you switch on at six you might have missed a goal…the question is who for.
Good article but the die is cast. There will be no change imminently. We’ve had our say, it’s being ignored, time to back the team. That’s five to six by the way😁

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COSYCORNERBHOY

Thanks for that,I hadn’t noticed! Soon to find out whether I’m gonna be able to go for a pint wi the troops anytime soon. Not looking good,unless I want to eat out too. Hmmm,naw-not really.

Have to say that the novelty has long worn off this,a return to a humdrum normality would be nice.

m6bhoy

Noel Skytrot

Good article Bobby.
Personally i’ve given up with the Europa and just want us to fight like devils on all domestic fronts and to kick our detractors with a two footed tackle right in the balls. Our enemies in Scotland, who are many, are savouring every minute of this. We need to be stand up and be counted and fight back and having unity will achieve this. Social media is fuelling much of the discontent among the support and is a swamp of negativity in my opinion. We are Celtic Football Club supporters and need to back what we have
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Social Media is not fuelling discontent among supporters. Supporters are not happy because of what’s going on at the club and social media is relecting the dark mood of supporters. If there is a problem with social media, it can make us lazy and inert. If we see a problem or issue we are unhappy with, we tend sit on our arses and post a message on a forum or other platforms and then sit back in a “that’s them telt” sort of a way. I’ve just done it now, as an example. Of course, it’s good to get it off your chest but really doesn’t achieve much as we see the disdain the board treat supporters now. They would be quite happy if all the discontent is contained online. They will be much more concerned if the discontent manifest itself in a more public way which discomforts them just like the Green Brigade photo obviously did.

If social media had been around in 1994 then the chances are there would be not Celtic around today. Thankfully there wasn’t which meant discontented supporters had to organise, agitate, publicly protest, hold public meetings and boycott to get there message across. The alternative would have been just turning up to matches and watch the Kellys and Whites drive the club into liquidation.

The Celtic supporters will not be united until the board seriously address the management situation now rather than waiting till it’s far too late. Should they fail to do this and all the signs are, they will, the longer term consequences will be massive with a huge drop in ST renewals which will then lead to a fire sale of the club’s best players and and even bigger mess than the one facing the club now. Those supporters who remain may have to get used to being the Espanyol of Glasgow for a wee while till somebody comes in to sort it out.

Chalmersbhoy

Morning bhoys/ghirls.
Score predictor has been updated follow link at bottom of page.
Looking forward to game tonight(not)To see if there is any reaction from our players to see if they back NFL.
I bloody hope so,not just for NFL but us as Well.

bada bing1

Gary Holt leaves Livingston

BMCUWP , everything in your article bang on point .
Just a thought on the last couple of weeks re Lennon ; PhilMac and E-Tims were adamant DD was proactive in looking for his replacement , of course it appears they were mistaken/misled by sources OR it is just possible that they weren’t so wrong but that ALL targets turned us down .
I never saw much chance of Keane/O’Neill ,not whilst PL was in situ .
As regards more relevant yet available names ( Eddie Howe etc ) though good managers they are ‘available’ largely because they were sacked from their last post – therefore their next move is a potential career definer ( think Moyes , no shame being binned by Man U , it was his next moves which did the damage ) – and , the relevant point re Celtic – timing is also crucial . Celtic now – clubs like a plane in freefall with autopilot screaming ‘ PULL UP PULL UP ‘ (I agree with you and can’t see NL being able to do that ) I just don’t see any of these guys agents saying e.g. ‘ go on Eddie jump in there ‘ ; what’s in it for them ( at this precise minute ) damned if they don’t get the league – faint praise even if they do – with the odds stacked heavily in favour of the former .

Alternatively Celtic at seasons end – different matter ; if we do crash then it’s ‘ phoenix rising from the ashes etc etc ‘ plus close season to get organised ; so I could see agents saying ‘ NOT NOW – but lets see where the cards fall and MAYBE THEN ‘ .

Just a thought , maybe WELL off the mark and DD has done f-all ( BIG SURPRISE 😉 ) – In which case , I believe he’d have encountered these problems even If he had tried .

Noel Skytrot

M6Bhoy,
just throwing in my two bobs worth and my opinion on what’s occurring.HH

Angel Gabriel

Morning all .
That’s 3 very decent articles since I’ve dipped into this parish.
Bobby, the last paragraph is the one I’ve been harping on about for the last 2 years , to the very limited number that pay any attention to my guff.
Success should always be celebrated, especially in a sporting arena. Our 2nd ,honest 9 , should be highly lauded , along with treble trebles.
The downside is the weight of expectancy that comes with 10 being the be they cherry on top .
The consequences of being spoiled by domestic success might turn into a horror movie like no other .
It’s looking that way, unfortunately.

Them claiming 55 will be the day when many in our support ask ……
“ what was that Res 12 thing all about ?”

Celtic PLC have sleepwalked out the door and onto a busy road , pyjamas, slippers and no high vis.

Tonight isn’t important, but on another level it is . Confidence in sport , comes from a good performance.
Another abysmal performance, will drain confidence even further.
I hope we set up , not to lose goals . Pack the defence and midfield, opportunities to score , always come in any game. Feck all this full backs flying forward, and being wide open to counter attacks.
Lenny needs to change something.
I’m waiting with interest , and trying to keep the faith,
What work , if any, that’s been done since Saturday, will be apparent tonight.
He seems calm in the presser .
There’s not many in the same frame of mind.

Chairbhoy

BMCUWPs

Excellent lead. As the Board seem to be trenching down in silence, it looks like it’s up to Lenny, at least in the short term, to sort things out and he has got to do it on his own.

Like you I have little confidence he can. It has been obvious for some time now that the Culture is Celtic is bad, it certainly is not conducive to sporting excellence.

A while back I called Peter Lawwell indolent, this season has proven me right in spades. Celtic is a broken Club and it was big Pedro what broke it!!

Hail Hail

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Update on the Naps…

A couple of stoatirs last weekend,with VOGUEPUNTER landing an 8/1 winner and CRAIG76 at 4/1. Some nice places too,led by LEFTCLICKTICK on a 10/1 and CALTONTONGUES wi a-wait for it-28/1 third! So after Week 21,standings are

Premier Division

RayMac £24.33. (4.22)
Celtic Champs £4.00 (4.71)
Cosy Corner B £1.50 (0)
The Real McCoy £1.00. (6.06)
Vogue Punter £2.90. ( 6.82)
Craig 76 £1.50 (4.93)
Big Packy -1.14 (0.35)
Leftclicktic -£6.38. (9.96)
Mahe -£9.10. (7.88)
Jim the Tim -£11.22. ( 1.97)
Bada -£12.00. (6.26)
******
First Division

Calton Tongues -£13.00. (8.95)
Gordon -£13.10. ( 3.80)
Jimmy NP -£13.25. (4.83)
BMCUW -£13.50 ( 9.88)
Chalmersbhoy -£16.00. (4.48)
Garry -£17.37. ( 3.00)
Twisty -£21.00. ( 11.6)
Valleybhoy -£21.00. ( 10.65)
Big Railroad B. -£21.00. ( 7.65)
AS67 -£21.00. ( 4.66)
Mea Culpa -£21.00. ( 0.63)

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ANGELGABRIEL

Thanks,mate! (I’ll square ye up wi the tenner when I see you.)

Writing the articles was much more fun and a damn bit easier too when everything in the garden was rosy. Believe me,I long for those simpler days!!!

Angel Gabriel, great moniker! I love the Angels. I’ve got fridge magnets of Michael, Gabriel and Raphael. 🙂
I know those 3 have got my back in case I get into a fight with ‘you know who’!

McCaff

Chalmersbhoy…cheers for the updated league table. On Tuesday night I put in a correct score for the Hibs game but it was about an hour late and just a joke! I don’t know if you gave me points for it but deduct me if you did?
TooFeckinHonest CSC😁

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Just seen the new lockdown rules for England. Might as well shut most pubs permanently.

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Might have to bite the bullet here and go for a Wetherspoon breakfast one morning-and take my bloody time over it!

bada bing1

Celtic Football Club would like to welcome Gary Holt as our new Assistant Manager, all we need to do is find a manager he has never met before, and announce them as the new ‘Dream Team’ to take the Club forward.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55084504

Tribute to Diego from one of the better journalists around. Wee clue,not British!

Garry

BMCUW
Been thinking a lot about our dearly departed friend Jim (ElDiegoBhoy) these last 20 odd hours. Hope he is sharing a few drams with his hero tonight.

GER57

Heard that DD & PL had 2 rounds of golf at Gleneagles with Eddie Howe on Monday.

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GARRY

Meeting ELDIEGOBHOY for the first time was genuinely an unexpected pleasure! A really lovely guy,and I don’t think I know anyone who didn’t agree. That was some night too at yon do with a whole crowd of us,it will live long in the memory.

I’m sure that Jim will have a space ready for him in his Monday league team. (No football on The Sabbath upstairs btw)

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GER57

I sure hope not,as that would be against lockdown rules.

Mike in Toronto

BMCUWP

the garden hasn’t been rosy since 2012. Losing titles isn’t the problem. It is a symptom of a problem that starte(d when we got into bed (a coffin, really) with them. Did people think we could screw a corpse and not pick up a strange disease or two?)

Winning trophies was great, particularly when we got to rub zombies noses in it. It was a rush. A high. But dealers are smart .. the first taste of heroin is free. Because they know that once you are hooked, they own you. And then you pay …and pay … and pay…. unless you can kick the habit.

And the real kick in the balls is that, if we would have stood our ground, we would likely have been in the same situation we are today (a dead zombie team wasn’t going to win anything), or possibly better .. and we wouldn’t have sold our soul….

Mike in Toronto

Should have said ‘wining trophies isn’t the solution, anymore than losing them isnt the problem’.

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MIKEINTORONTO

Most of us back then wanted them gone for good. If they were to come back as a new club,then to pay their dues by playing in the provincial leagues for three seasons-the requirement then for elevation to the bottom tier of the Scottish League. Check back on various sites from those days and you will see that to be the case.

The problem is that once presented with a fait accompli,we can’t pretend it doesn’t exist just because we don’t like it-even if we have solid and justifiable reasons for that. What are we supposed to do-pretend that each game against them isn’t happening? Say we don’t care because they shouldn’t be there anyway?

You’re a lawyer. You know how it works,and one thing about the law,any law,is that if you don’t like it then try to get it changed. Unless and until then,abide by the law.

And as you’ve said frequently,there is a big difference between the law and justice. Justice should have been dealt in 2012,but it wasn’t.

Are we sullying ourselves by turning up to play them? Of course we are. But there are many in your profession who have had to take on cases while holding their nose,and which-as people rather than lawyers-they would prefer not. But heyho,that’s life.

bada bing1

Any Celtic minded bars in Carlisle?

Margaret McGill

Auldheid”
“Res 12: What would Judas do?”

Garry

Bada
Gallagher’s in the centre of Carlisle is one of my favourite pubs in the city.

bada bing1

Cheers Garry

big packy

AFTERNOON ALL and JIM , MIKE IN TORONTO, good to see you posting mike, how are things with you and seamus 👍

Afternoon Packy, you all excited for the game this evening?

The Star Above The Crest

Bada Bing 1

Here’s a link to Gallaghers in Carlisle

https://www.facebook.com/gallaghers.irishbar/

Mike in Toronto

BMCUWP

not sure the lawyer analogy holds.

You are right that lawyers get paid to take a side, and not always the side of the angels.

but ……

1. I dont take on cases that hurt myself or my community; and

2. I get paid for what I do; I am not paying for the privilege of seeing me or my kind cheated or hated.

Celtic conspired to keep alive an anti-Catholic and anti-Irish institution. If supporting Celtic means indirectly supporting that, why would we pay to support that?

Fortunately, supporting Celtic doesn’t have to mean that … if fans are willing to stand up and be counted.

If we dont want to be hated or cheated… simple, stop paying people who hate you and cheat you (and, if that includes the people that are running our club… we have to deal with that)

If people stop giving these leeches money, they will go.

Since the days of DM, the zombies got disreputable purchaser after purchaser… because their purchasers knew that the zombies would look the other way, and would tolerate cheating/being cheated.

By ignoring/not doing anything about the cheating, Celtic fans are putting themselves in the same position.

Even if DD sells up, the next owner, just like DD, is going to think ‘they act like sheep, I might as well fleece them, too.’ Just like Green, and White… and so on at the zombies…

If we want a new owner, presumably we mean that we want a better type of owner (otherwise, what is the point?), then we have to become a better type of fan. One who says “I want a better type of club… and the shit that has been done in the past, will no longer be done in my name.’

Mike in Toronto

BP … been on a tough case of late … just heading back in …. hope you guys are doing well.

Popped onto CQN recently, and saw you sparring with that numpty. For what it is worth, I think he is way out of line. Sad that that place has not stopped that. Shit like that is why I stopped posting there.

Here, we might disagree, but for the most part we can do so civilly.

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MIKEINTORONTO

I truly understand your point. But what you are telling us is exactly the reason why so many of us simply cannot do it. If we did,there would be no club left to salvage-and who will have won then?

big packy

CHEERS MIKE, the guy in question is a fruit and nut case, but not cadburys or hersheys, to you 😎

bada bing1

The Star Above The Crest- thanks, thinking of a day out for the Cup Final…

Mike in Toronto

BMCUWP

Sorry pal, but that’s nonsense.

and if you are saying that Celtic has to be like Rangers to exist… then it should end. But I dont believe that ….

If DD is making money from us, is he going to let his golden goose die? not a chance in hell.

If it was run properly, it could make considerably more than it has. Surely, that has to appeal to someone… and fans and shareholders alike would rally around someone who had the right vision and plan for the club.

And, what if people like MLK had taken that attitude … we might get hurt, so we aint going to try.

remember the old adage: all that it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing….

back to court … will check in later.

Margaret McGill

I’m with MIT
Stop giving them your money.
If you don’t then quit whining.

Chalmersbhoy

McCaff
It.was.spotted.mate,ya.chancer..

Chalmersbhoy

Bmcwp
Golf.clubs still open up here..

McCaff

CB…if I was a chancer I’d be asking for the 3 points!! 🤔😉

I’ll try again.

Hello Packy, you watching the game tonight?

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