Sparta 4 – 1 Celtic
Just when we thought it couldn’t get any worse… And to think we were actually ahead as well?!!!
Our American readers will be used to turkeys getting stuffed on the last Thursday in November but for us Celtic fans it was just another day. We have been in a dreadful run of form since we beat Hibs 3-0 exactly two months ago,and if we are honest,our form prior to that was barely up to scratch.
Since then it has been disastrous. In eleven matches it reads W4 D3 L4 and with the exception of a final qualifier and a cup semi final it includes two league wins against the might of Motherwell and St Johnstone.
Hammered at home by a Sparta reserve team and the same again last night against another reserve team. Fuxake,they must be wishing they could play us every week! Yet Neil Lennon put out virtually the same outfield players who beat Lazio in Rome a year ago-and how the mighty have fallen. Like Christians to the lions-and indeed our own Lions would not wish to be associated with that display last night. Or any this season,truth be told.
Our goal was down to a sharp finish from Eddie,who looked to be getting some of his old vigour back. I wish him well,he has been terrific for us and deserves better than the dross round about him. I’m not even going to start on them though. Suffice to say that every goal was easily avoidable and that we were the authors of our own downfall. That a deadball situation in an attacking area turns into a defensive emergency quicker than I can say fuxake,my favourite new word watching this shower.
This was a failure right through the team with the possible exception of our goalscorer. Not assisted in any way whatsoever by a supine and silent NL on the sidelines. When other managers are taking advantage of the eerie silence in the stadia to bark out instructions,he sits woeful and forlorn,hunched into his seat and sinking deeper into his hoodie. I’m no body language expert but he strikes me as someone who wishes he were elsewhere. For all the good he is doing at the moment,he might as well be-and aye,it hurts to say that!
Another doing in Europe then. One that will do our coefficient no good at all-even though it replaces the woeful 15/16 campaign of Ronny Deila. I just threw that in for the sake of comparison,by the way. Here’s another one. Neil has better players available than Ronny,and a bigger budget. And he’s managed to get us to play worse football with even worse results.
We know what happened to Ronny.
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I don’t know what to say
If he’s the manager this weekend he gets my backing but I fear for Lennon. As much as he’s copping flak there needs to be far more scrutiny and fire directed at Lawwell and Co. I don’t see the same fury launched at that mob.
Just reminding myself i’ve got to work in an office this morning thats saturated with huns, I really need to be sharp today.
A delusional interview.
Post-#SPACEL reaction from Neil Lennon.
🎥 Courtesy: @btsportfootball https://t.co/0YSgIfKMJL
“This is definitely a turning point – it won’t happen again, that’s for sure.”
Neil Lennon on Celtic’s FIRST 4-1 defeat to Sparta Prague.
This is why we love him. 💙
A video to gladden the heart.
Maradona coaching double amputee Ali Turganbekov.
Groundhog Day …. again. Not sure we have anything else to say it’s all been said over and over again. After Neils interview last night he is certainly not going to quit. Our dressing room must be a miserable place at moment
Unfortunately, unlike Arsenal, our team managed to fly home 😁
You must have missed the “punchline” to yesterday’s article,and a helluva lot more besides,on here if you think we are having a go at NL while leaving Lawwell and Despot alone. It has been quite clear on here who we most hold responsible.
Saw a post on a Celtic Facebook page saying this was as bad as Artmedia and Nuechatel and had to disagree. We actually won the 2nd leg of both matches and should have taken art media to at least extra time (one of my favourite European ties I attended).
For me that’s got to be our most humiliating 2 legs in Europe ever
Oh me miserum.
We had far better players, even last night. It looked like we might score a few in the early stages. Then a couple of poor passes in midfield and all of a sudden, we were chasing shadows. Team morale is obviously at rock bottom. Wtf has happened? I think there’s something major happening inside the club, although, given the leaks over the last couple of years, you’d think we’d have heard by now.
Has Neil fallen out with some senior players? How many want away? I don’t need to know the gory details; get the players we have performing the way we know they can. If Neil can’t, then get someone in who can. Problem is, what progressive coach is prepared to run the team under the suffocating directions of PL?
The board are going to claim that they backed NFL in the transfer window and that the failure is down to the players and manager. If we don’t win the league, surely Lawwell must be toast. He’ll be replaced by someone similar, and we’ll be no better off. The manager/1st team coach is the most important leader in the whole organisation, and when we have a good one, we are mega successful. Whatever the salary, it is imperative we get the best available. It will save cash in the long term. I can’t understand why DD doesn’t see this. Is he blinded by NFLs Irishness?
Whatever, we are in for a bumpy season or two.
Jimmy not Paul
That wee clip of Diego was lovely. He was a maniac off the park, but magical on it and all football fans loved him. See the look on the wee boy’s face.
Sad that he passed away so young.
Problem is Lawwell will never acknowledge that the hiring of a 3rd rate coach was another glaring Fuck up in his tenure.
The lack of introspection is rife at Celtic park from board, management coaches and players.
Any supporter paying hard earned cash can whistle in the wind while continuing financial support as these people see themselves as infallible.
When a loan player turns up and shows all others what heart for the battle is, you know you are in deep trouble.
If you play players who have told you to your face they don’t want to be there, that scenario will only ever end one way! Ffs get them out the team, Neil!!
Indeed-and I think,for all that he has been playing his heart out,Diego Laxalt has only seen two win bonuses in his eight weeks with us!
Bobby, If we know there are players being played who have told the manager they actually don’t want to be there, then young players like Henderson will know it too … I don’t need to imagine how I would feel about that! I don’t believe for a minute that is the manager’s fault. The longer we play people like Ntcham and Christie, the worse things will become!
I asked this a few weeks ago and got no reply.
How many Celtic managers have actually identified players he wanted, signed them and picked the team? I’d wager none! Not even the great man himself…, even though we’ve always been told that was a stipulation of him taking the job.
Can’t shake the feeling, this season was all part of the board’s masterplan.
Masterclass in the short and sweet from e-Tims this morning.
Call me naive but I was half hoping there might be a statement from Parkhead this morning about 10 or 11 am.
Not to be. The egos have landed.
Oh,was that what that dull thud was? That’s what happens when you have a back seat pilot.
Maybe they are going to do the Dave King thing of releasing ‘bad’ news at tea time on a Friday!
Bad News LOL 🙂
I’ll say what some folk might be thinking but don’t want to vocalise – If Ross Co. put us out the LC on Sunday, would that be the straw that broke the camel’s back?
Of all the criticism directed at Lennon, his tactics, his lack of motivation, how we should forget his previous successes cos he wisnae playing anybody, what last night finally proved is there is a deep, deep-rooted problem inside our Club.
Put aside the criticism of Lennon for a minute and try to explain WHY things have taken such a turn, what is so different this season from last? As was pointed out last night that same team beat Lazio away last year – same manager and same players. So how such a decline? Is it all Lennon’s fault? Is it all Lawell and Desmond’s fault? Is it the players? Is it Broonie and Calmac and Christie?
A lot of the comments towards Lennon have been cheap, likewise comments towards individuals in the team. I don’t think Lennon is tactically astute but neither do I think he is ignorant in that regard although he is being portrayed that way. He’s had constant criticism for his mood in the dugout and last night was called out for not being on the touchline motivating the team and directing play from the lines. I heard him on numerous occasions last night, the commentary team also mentioned it. Just as the teams were taking the field for the second half Lennon was talking to one our coaches, pointing towards our 18 yard box and to me it looked like he was saying something along the lines of ‘What can we do if they not doing what’s asked of them’. Only my reading of it of course but symptomatic of how things are working out.
I think Lennon will go, the timing to be decided! But I think the decision not to allow him his own staff coupled to the departure of Damien Duff has been the ONE single factor that has stymied us. Lennon can have no faith in Kennedy’s judgement giving the lack of organisation in defence, and the modern laptop coaching analysis by Son of Strachan has brought absolutely ZERO benefit to our team.
The arguments to bring on the boys are reminiscent of how I felt in the early 90s when no signings seemed to be quite good enough to make a difference in the pitch. But the boys, think Karamoke, aren’t the answer. Not at a time like this. We need clear heads and positive thought. We need a seige mentality that can foster a belief that everybody’s out to get us. We need to transfer that belief into a team spirit that sees us fighting for each other from the first minute to the last of every game. The criticism of Christie for shooting on site is justified but to me he’s trying to find in his locker something that can lift the team but as is the nature of fitba sometimes, when you’re down you’re down!
I’m younger than a few on here but older than some. I know what 90 minute Celtic are, I’ve seen the strength of a team that doesn’t know they’re beaten, FFS Lennon was part of a Celtic team that didn’t know when they were beaten!
…and finally…we’ve had a lot of setbacks so far, lots of long and short term injuries and disruptions, we’ve had Covid crap, we’ve had poor refereeing performances, we’ve had shocking individual errors, and irrespective of how other teams have fared we’ve missed our crowd at games but it’s only November! No league was ever won in November!
Keep the Faith ya miserable bunch of Feckers!!😁
Right, I need to get some work done. Catch up later!!
All I asked yesterday was to keep it tight at the back , flood the midfield.
We did neither.
You don’t need to tackle to defend, especially in midfield.
Cal Mac & Christie, both look more comfortable playing for Scotland than Celtic.
Structure is evident with Stevie Clark. It’s absent with Lenny.
Lenny apparently doesn’t use data or match day analysis.
Most managers use them to confirm or reject what they see with the naked eye.
Just one issue in a multitude of others.
Has anyone heard from big Pedro ?
Here’s a thought. With so many people working from home during the lockdown,how many do you reckon put in anywhere near a full shift,same as they would if they were attending work as usual?
Reason I ask is that so often,early in the season when our results,at least,were decent,most of the players were running on empty halfway through the second half. Maybe it wasn’t just Griff who wasn’t doing his homework,maybe the rest of the players reckoned that NL doesn’t bother with the technology so he won’t know how to check up on us. Human nature,if there’s no-one there to stop you backsliding,whether it be a boss or a colleague,bad habits set in. The comfort zone becomes your new normal.
NL has been unprofessional by refusing to adapt to the modern game and the technological advances in the last few years. The players take their lead from that and what you see is what you get.
For some of us of a certain vintage,the shower scene from Psycho retains the power to scare the living daylights out of us. The shower scene from Hampden is its modern day counterpart.
Look on the bright side. At least the pubs are shut-you don’t have to put up with Ayrshire huns getting lippy all of a sudden.
During one of the most important season’s in our entire history, we have given one of the most important jobs in the team(Creating chances to score) to a player who has told the manager he doesn’t want to be there! Sorry for repeating myself but, watching Ryan is driving me up the wall!
You only need ONE player to be playing for themselves, and the whole team goes out the window! I’m not one for hating easily, but in Ryan’s case I’m making an exception. Can’t stand even looking at the wee b@stard!
Even if the board are forcing Neil to play him(To maximise their return) who in God’s name is giving him all this responsibility? He would NEVER play for us again, if it had anything to do with me.
Bobby, this is one of the sites that doesn’t miss the ‘custodians’ I was referring to social media.
Ralph Malph, Desimond and co not messing about with today’s Etims diary.
Responsibility for creating chances? Christie? The shoot on sight man? Who hits the wall at free kicks with the inevitability of a sprinter attempting a marathon,takes corners like Henry Paul,and who misses vital penalties?
THAT Ryan Christie,who was on his way out two years ago until a sub appearance against Hearts? Aye,there’s the door. If you can hit it from five yards you can leave.
The way he has been playing this season,we are stuck with him.
Bobby, I’m in and out of people’s houses all the time. The general consensus is that people do MORE working from home than less, certainly in terms of putting in the hours. My missus has been working from home since February and is logged in until 7/7.30 most nights.
If there’s a repercussion from the lockdown I’d reckon it’s more psychological than physical – which could be a side effect of no fans too!
Re Lennon refusing or not to accept technology his refusal will have no bearing on that department doing its job. You seem to put a lot of store into that aspect of his work but he is an overseer and will rely on what the fitness team tell him. I doubt BR would have studied those figures, he’d have had a fitness team to do it
But, my point isn’t about whether or not he was prepared to embrace new methodology it was more about where does the reason for the malaise lie. My thoughts are that the Board-appointed backroom team don’t work well with Lennon. And irrespective of how they/he view the arrangement it is causing major problems throughout the Club.
I don’t have the answers Bobby, I just follow the team but I think what has happened and is still happening is that the minutae of Lennon’s behaviour is being scrutinised and turned to suit the agenda of what’s going wrong on the park. There’s a helluva lot of conjecture and supposition which is readily accepted and for me it’s the wrong way to support the team.
Apologies,mate. Misread that,mainly due to bleary eyes…
Sat the wee guy down last night and explained why there’ll be no trips to the superstore this year, his reply was “Why would anyone pay to get cheated, dad”
Out of the mouth of babes!
so CQN is briefing
“Let me give you a cheery prediction, you will soon forget about last night, as there is worse to come.”
so what does it all mean ?
That Lenny and PL are trying to stare one another out ? I.e Lenny refusing to resign
That John Kennedy is about to step up ?
That CQN wants you to believe that John Kennedy is going to step up so that the “Lenny out” contingent will pipe down ?
The club isn´t confident at all about the Ross County game ?
That DD is backing Neil Lennon and not PL ?
Leanne Dempster has been head hunted ?
This from Alison Conroy.
Celtic boss Neil Lennon had a zoom call with Dermot Desmond & Peter Lawwell this morning “trying to find solutions to what we can do better” says it was “a very productive conversation” & he has “their full support”.
On CQN Chairbhoy has posted an answer to your question that I hope he posts here.
My experience tells me that how Res12 has been dealt with supports Chairbhoys post that I’ll copy over later if Chairbhoy hasn’t done so.
That really surprised me.
I can only speak for my place, but productivity is through the roof, since we started working from home.
It’s a win/win for employers and employees.
I genuinely don’t know anyone who is puting less of a shift in.
I have been working from home and do more from home than I do in the office but I also no longer do half the job of the guys I share an office with. So it´s not all good news for the employers
Neil Lennon says he had “very productive” morning zoom call with Celtic powerbrokers Peter Lawwell and Dermot Desmond
Sorting out a severance package hopefully
A big happy black Friday to one and all.
God bless all those with health issues or less fortunate than ourselves.
I see you’re still bitchin about twenty two legs and a piece of leather
Kids eh. Some day you’ll grow up 😉
I guess there’s a lot less interruptions working from home but I am surprised that it sees productivity increase. It’s now the new normal for a lot of people.
This will cut down commuting but also increase the desire for more home space to make an office or whatever out of. Technology has afforded us a seamless enough transition from common workplace to home but the virus has forced us to go that route. One little positive I guess.
We are having a Christmas zoom chat everyone;)
Another positive is sick absences have readily decreased, too.
McCaff touches on it, a lot of staff are quite happy to go back on line and finish something, maybe after dinner etc.
Previously, if the office was closed, it was closed.
There’s a lot of hard working consciousness people out there.
Governments should be using WFH to promote a Green Agenda, less travelling, as you say.
Of course, the rich and elite are up in arms as they own the big properties, to lease to employers, in the citys, all of a sudden, they are losing income and value in property is decreasing.
That prick Alan Sugar, is one, who has been squealing hard about it.
My response on CQN which covers how I see things in relation to Chairbhoys post on the match topic.
Auldheid — feel sorry for you. The bonus thief buried Res 12 and helped them up with 5WA
Thank you but dont feel sorry for me, feel sorry for yourselves.
Chairbhoy wrote an excellent article on previous blog which I hope he copies over because my experience of dealing with Celtic under PL confirms exactly what he is saying to a degree I still find hard to believe.
The organisation at Celtic, whilst I respect some individuals working in it, is toxic. I mean toxic and perhaps, just perhaps P67 who never supported Res12 and pursued the Judicial Review that got nowhere because unlike Res12 it had no locus , is beginning to realise how toxic it really is and it is hard to take in that a person that you trusted completely is so untrustworthy.
All Celtic supporters want in my opinion is to watch a clean game but we havent been since 2000 and we still arent.
All that we see unfolding or is it unravelling is a result of the 5 Way Agreement Celtic accepted. I can understand the motivation at the time and no one expected evidence to surface that proved many suspicions of unfair play, but the attempt at burying that evidence particularly from 2018 when it pointed to fraud is incredible.
That is not to mention not taking the opportunity to have the sham that was the LNS Commission put aside in 2014 and 2017. It’s all documented on http://www.res12.uk and there is more to add and I feel sorry for all those being taken in by a lie.
You can never build anything lasting on a foundation that is unreal and that foundation was the 5 Way Agreement and Celtic’s fingerprints are on it.
I’ve oft quoted from Gibran in respect of what Rangers supporters were enduring but now it is our turn.
“Pain is the breaking of the shell that enclosing your understanding” says Gibran. I’ll post the whole poem next as it also offers hope.
On Res11 for next AGM: the response from the shareholders who had it placed in the AGM notice to the Boards response which says they will take up the issues with relevant parties is a united one of thanks but we do not trust you.
When Paul says there is worse to come my experience of life is that overtime the thing we fear most turns out to be the best thing that ever happened but by God does it hurt at the time.
Work is the curse of the drinking class.
Noticed you said you were away for a week, where did you go?
Rural Stirlingshire. 4 miles from Stirling Castle.
Connecting with nature is so good for the soul.
On working from home: I was able to do it in the early 90s in the days of 28k Modems and thought once bandwidth gets fatter this is the way to go.
My daughter has been doing it since March in New York and there is an article I read about how it will become the norm, just like flexi time did in the 90s.
All that empty office space can be turned into relatively cheap rent accommodation bringing in folk who like city life but cannot afford the rent.
Isaac Asimov wrote a book called the Naked Sun where holographic meetings became such a way of life human physical contact became unbearable.
Self isolation gone mad.
Thanks Auldheid, hope you’re not going too stir crazy in the new normal, it does have a surrealness about it
The slightly edited version of the post on CQN this morning, hope Coneybhoy is ok with me re-posting his comment…
CONEYBHOY @ 2:22 AM,
Fair point on the fear of failure being an enabler for failure
I read the book ‘ why do England miss penalties!’ and they made the point that if you think about missing them you will
A GAA player also told me that the brain can’t think of an action in a negative syntax
E.g saying to yourself ‘don’t miss’ ; the brain hears ‘miss’
The German lads think ‘which way will I score?’ The brain just hears ‘score’
This is a crucial point, Celtic… Dermot Desmond, Lenny etc have talked about the psychological issues at the Club – but just how much do they understand it and how do they go about “fixing it”.
So the first point negative syntax, a crucial insight there…
In many fields not least autism support this is crucial to understand. Let me give you an example…
You are helping support a person with autism, you are going shopping, they have poor impulse control, they see a shop across a busy road they want to visit, they urgently leave your side and make a b-line for the shop, seemly unaware of the cars and other dangers of crossing the road.
You shout… “don’t cross the road!”
Well, first they will process, “cross the road,” then after further processing the “don’t”.
Of course many people with autism can be slow, often very, very slow to process this type of information, by the time they have processed the “don’t”, things could be dire…
Worse some people can’t process the negative at all. The fact of something “not”, doesn’t compute.
If you say jump, that is an instruction most could understand.
If you say don’t jump, that can be a huge problem…
They think, how do you “not”, the concept of “not” is unreal… to do something, I get that, the “not”, what’s that about, how can you not? It’s an alien concept to some.
Some people will process the negative slowly, some not at all, all of us, after the main instruction… whether that is “cross the road” , “jump” or “miss the penalty”.
People are often thought erratic, obtuse or downright disobedient in these circumstances, when the issue is processing.
In the situation with the person with autism darting across the road, depending on the individual, a clear instruction “wait!”, followed by, “we will cross when the road is clear”, may firstly stop the person in their tracks and secondly assuage their impulse control.
So what has that got to do with top professional footballers… well the processing, decision making and reaction time is crucial for these players. With fear of failure or lots of negativity around it can and will effect that crucial split second thinking.
So clear positive instructions and a supportive and creative environment are key to a winning mentality.
The next point is a more general aspect but none the less crucial. I’ve referred to that in the past as the “toxic culture” at Celtic.
Now maybe my negative syntax didn’t help. All I meant by that is there seemed to be a lack of a strong support structure, personal regard and a win~win culture at the Club… now, you may say we are talking fitbaw here, what they need is a good kick in the maw-haws!!
Well, the fact is that works, yet it’s results are limited and the effects short term.
Also without these positive, proactive structures in place you get unfairness, inconsistency and alienation.
Let me give you an example… Moussa Dembele
During the Rodgers’ era he was arguably our best player, he was certainly the most valuable.
BR talked him into coming to Celtic [we got him for a song remember] by waving a number of carrots… trophies, UCL football, top quality coaching etc, etc, and of course the main one; come to Scotland, get the experience, do well and you’ll get a lucrative move to a top European Club.
Now when the time for his move came along things had pretty much gone to plan, yet he hadn’t hit the Barca, Chelsea, Bayern Munich heights some thought him capable of, so the manager had different ideas, he wanted to keep this prized asset, keep his development going and offered Dembele a lucrative new contract – BR thought he had buy in from the Board.
Now we know what happened, the thing was a mess. While the manager and his staff were trying to persuade the player to stay, the Board were negotiating Dembele’s transfer, while his agent was working overtime to get the move done.
BR was preventing Dembele moving and pressurising him to sign a new contract, Dembele was threatening to down tools.
So in the last week of the transfer window things came to a head, BR vetoed the move, the Board, Lyon, Dembele and his agent forced through the £20m move. Result the bad relationship which had developed between the Board and the manager broke down, the relationship between the player(s) and the manager broke down.
Dembele was seen as the wronged party and was invited to the end of season treble treble party!!
Now it may be ancient history but there is a point. Schisms within Celtic Football Club had led to this total mess, if the Board and Footballing department had worked together they may have persuaded Dembele to sign a lucrative new contract, if not, they may have worked together and sold him for closer to the £30m he was no doubt worth. They didn’t, they happily knocked lumps out each other, damaging Celtic’s standing and finances.
Yet, what does that do to the psychology of the players, the N’tcham’s and Boyata’s that never got their move… the Football department that didn’t get their Castagnes or McGinn’s. The players and staff in general.
What we saw with the Dembele fiasco was not a badly handled transfer transaction, what we saw was just a single strand of a complex web, a manifestation of a poor corporate culture and bad operational practises.
What happens when it’s Eddy’s, Dembele’s friend’s, turn to get a move. The Board insisted on the Dembele move, they over rid the manager, they worked with Dembele’s agent and other Clubs to ensure the move happened.
But Eddy’s not getting his move, he downs tools, he’s still not getting his move. He looks at the move his friend got, the reception by the Club and fans then he looks at how he’s being treated and he says sod this for a game…
Then what of Ajer? What of Christie? What of Calmac? etc, etc
Now, add to that the level of training, tactics and performance has dropped dramatically as Board cack handedly try to reduce costs.
The results become worse, manager throws the players under a bus, the performance becomes even worse and we are now in a downward spiral… yes the psychology is bad, but how do you change that?
Try to persuade the players that trying a leg is in their own best interests, give the players half an hour with a sports psychologist, to gee them up.
No – it’s far beyond that, motivation, performance and trust have broken down.
What of the change of culture… well sure the Board may well think the culture needs to change but unless they can look in the mirror and see where the problem is and dramatically change, then the culture isn’t changing. This culture comes from the top. The poor psychology of team is not to do with the individual players, it won’t be “fixed” by tweaking at the periphery it’s to do with the (sorry) toxic environment they have to work in.
That’s how come the Club scratch their head at Bolingoli… no idea how that happened, nuthin’ to do with us!!
Demdele, Bolingoli, Eddy… the teams, fitness, tactics, performance. The team’s, the coaches’ and the manager’s psychological well being all a manifestation of a poor corporate culture at the top of the organisation.
Jnp, sounds great. The deer are really flocking to my area now it’s got cold they are coming lower, and I’ve been very very close to a few stags the last few weeks. The dug plays flinch with them, but one young thing this morning was not for running. The wife is complaining the garden is essentially their bathroom, poop all over it and I seen one lift his leg having a pee on my lawn the other day no joke.
She would fence it to keep the deer out. We shall see.
Chairbhoy, very interesting comment. It aligns a lot with my thoughts, which will form the basis of tomorrows article. Keep em coming though.
Has the rutting season finished, where you are?
You don’t want to go near a stag, at that time.
The best day, for me, was the worse weather wise.
42 MPH wind and horizontal, driving, rain, just me and nature.
I had a brilliant encounter with a buzzard, if it had been videod, I would be viral on you tube.
The old, it’s behind you, routine. The bird, finally get fed up, and flew right at me from the left, as I was looking right, with the binoculars, i really did get a fright, but what a view.
I got the impression the bird flew away, pissing itself laughing.😂