Two outta three aint bad

You will know by now the squad had a chat after the game, a long chat yesterday, also Neil, Dermot and Peter had a Zoom call.
And then we got the unified front message.

 

The good news in all that was Dermot listening and getting involved. People can chat until the sun goes down but if the collective will isn’t there it’s just nodding the head and disagreeing inside, something most of us will have experienced at some stage.

 

I don’t believe the will is there or at least not enough, and if chats were gonna help they would have by now.
I don’t think the will is there for many reasons but the most shocking one for me is the tenth title doesn’t seem to motivate them. I don’t believe we have enough strong Celtic men in the dressing room to force the rest to go the extra mile once more.

 

Dermot getting directly involved has worked out very well before, although he clearly sanctioned the big job in the shower room announcement which tainted him somewhat. But the two managers he choose before that were winners, from the top tier. The two Keanes he specifically brought in were also top tier.

 

When there is a bit of fan quelling to do, and there clearly is and will be tons more, a name with a decent spend was enough to calm the masses and ensure buy in again.

 

With a tsunami of bad will down the pipeline for the PLC, this would seem the obvious route, again.
Not only will it probably halt a VST ticket slump, but it takes focus off the board and the last managers failings.

 

However it’s a lot easier said than done. It takes money to attract a quality manager, which we’ve found before but never during a fan lockout.
And now it’s known we have an unofficial DoF, who will meddle.
Plus if someone is brought in now, the may well become the manager that loses the ten, a terrible start one must admit.
The next manager isn’t the usual employee hire at all.
It’s gonna take another Dermot special here to ignite the masses again, but that is becoming harder by the day.

 

And should our majority shareholder fight hard to land his big fish, what’s standing in the way of him being badgered out the door again wasting the initial capture?
Surely Dermot can’t be blind to his CEO’s modus operandus?
Of course not, he’s a smart man.

 

Dermot has already stated his intentions. He is staying, and with football in transition he may get his wish of a British Super League or whatever.
We simply must accept the fact we can’t buy him out, and he doesn’t wanna go anyway. He’s staying.

 

But that doesn’t mean that things should stay the same. Not at all.
For starters if he will go all in and capture a name, then he shouldn’t take the chance of the usual happening. Not when the ‘problem’ in question is about retirement age and due to go.
And why even waste the effort getting hands on only to see your good work undone by another, whether he can balance books or not?
No, if Dermot is going to make another big call here, it can’t go the same way as usual.

 

That’s not to say new guy equals Petey out the door the same day. Let him retire in the summer at what should be his pinnacle.
But he doesn’t get involved with the football, that should be understood. With only a few months employment remaining not taking key decisions should be fully understood.

 

But like I say, if Dermot is staying, then this is the very best we can hope for.
A new guy he personally selected and headhunted, who will call the shots as far as the footballing department goes with zero interference from the PLC regarding transfers and back room staff.
Anything else would be the definition of insanity.

 

It was a loon fae Texas that sung the immortal love ballad that spawned the article title.
It was a Macroom man who has hit gold twice in three swings seeking a good manager.
Two outta three ain’t bad Dermot, as the crooner sang so well.
When Lenny goes, can you make it three outta four?

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That will only work if the hierarchy is Dermot,manager & DoF,

With Lawwell doing what they say.

So,it won’t.

Uber Tim who is STILL Neil Lennon

There’s a limit on every manager’s tenure.

NL has ALWAYS surpassed expectation, yet has to suffer the indignity of being called unfit for the job.
Fk this ten in a row pish. His management comes before that for me. Love it. Love him. And he WILL turn it around if given the chance. He always has done ffs. Look at the history.

As most of us here know, the problem is with the board.

But it’s a bit more tender and more complicated, as we now have a manager dealing with PR and media influence, set up from both sides, so he can never win.
And so, it eventually affects the players, via agents.
We were always fucked.
NL is an excellent, honest manager, playing against the devil league. BR saw it and shot the fuck out, bemused by the PL campaign to demonize him, but not surprised.

Absolute arsehole of a support we’ve become now. We desreve the forthcoming hun
supremacy.
PL is a hero, and NL is the bad guy. That’s it in a nutshell. I’m disgusted by this.

Uber Tim who is STILL Neil Lennon

Sorry, to elaborate.

We lost our defence to covid, and injury.

We were playing with no central defence ffs.

You can NEVER underestimate how that affects the rest of the team ffs !!!
So what happened?? The media and Hun PR went full on, they saw blood ffs.

And attacked. The muppet support that follow the media, albeit online or social, grabbed it, and the modern day Traynors got their way, and the confidence sank, and the hins got stronger.

NL knows this, sees this, but what can he do? Given time, he WILL turn it around. He ALWAYS has done ffs !.

I hate this fucking board with a passion, but I actually support keeping Lenny there, and watch him rise to the challenge and fucking kill it. The man is a winning legend.

Look at his results ffs, not what some twat tells you.

Uber Tim who is STILL Neil Lennon

Let me elaborate again.
If I was DD, I’d be chasing PL, and giving NL all the support he asks for.
And then watch him win every crucial game for us…..

Uber Tim who is STILL Neil Lennon

The first manager to beat Pepe’s Barca ffs. Best team in world football. But wankers are dismissing that. No wonder he looks fucking miserable ffs 😡

Uber Tim who is STILL Neil Lennon

And by the way, everyone was writing him off last year after a dip. And same back in 2012.
Each time he bounced back with a passion.

For me NL is the best manager i want at Celtic. A genuine, passionate supporter, and will always take us into entertainment.

The issues for me come straight from the twat of a tory board.

Uber Tim who is STILL Neil Lennon

Anyway my beautiful Tim friends. I’m off for s doobie 🤷‍♂️😁

We were never going to be allowed to be supreme for too long. This is the British establishment ….their methods are nefarious.
So here we are 🤦‍♂️

Love you all ❤👍

Uber Tim who is STILL Neil Lennon

Sorry for bursting in here with my random opinions btw 🤦‍♂️
I’m a wee dick that way.
Sorry folks.

Cosy Corner Bhoy

Uber Tim who is STILL Neil Lennon: There’s nothing wrong with having an opinion, at least not on here.
The problem lies in ‘ What is the solution ? ‘.
At the moment the answer is not clear, but some signs of it not being NFL are obvious. Some examples, the list not being short, are:-
Why persist with Christie taking all dead ball awards? He’s obviously rubbish.
Why not tell Christie it’s a team game stop shooting on sight ( and even when not in sight) ? Ten per cent strike rate.
Why does it have to be a full back who takes the throw-ins? Our opponents KNOW they have time to stroll back to position.
Why make changes at specific minutes irrespective of the state of the game?
Why continue with Bain after Barkas recovered from injury as he is a full internationalist and Bain a journeyman/replacement who is content to be at Celtic as second or third string. Barkas IMO had done little wrong other than not be Fraser Forster.
Why play Scott Brown every game? We paid £3 million for Turnbull who we went after TWICE yet even JNP would have a job spotting him on the park.
Why play one up front in the SPFL? It’s not as if the extra man available stops us from shipping goals! We might even score more ourselves.
I said the list is not short and I could add many more myself, but you’ll get the drift.
I agree the MAIN problem is PL, but, he’s not likely to replace himself.
Personally,I don’t think there is such a thing as an Uber Tim, we are all Tims here, some just being Celtic supporters longer than others, mostly through age.

fan-a-tic

The fact that DD held the zoom call with Neil and Peter and all three agreed things to remain the same gives credence to guys like MIT and Mags who have been saying that the Old Firm stitch up is fully in play to make sure the huns win the league.
10 would have been the final nail in their coffin and as that does not suit the Old Firm duopoly it was never going to be allowed to happen.
And yet some still think it’s a sport.

Let’s cheer up folks, there’s a vaccine on the way! This time next year, please God, it will be opening time at the pubs 🙂

JimmynotPaul

Uber.
My wife asked me a question, this morning.
Do you think anyone thinks, they are the same person they were 10 years ago?
I said, I doubt most people think they are the same person, they were 5 years ago.
We all evolve and change.
I think what Neil done in 2012, be it positive, or negative is irrelevant, today.
Football is a brutal business, you are only as good as your last game, which at this moment in time is a 4.1 defeat.

Craig 76

JTT53
I hope it’s not that long b4 we get back in a pub.
My local shut until the 13th (south ayrshire) at the earliest but don’t think i will be back inside having a pint without having a meal until January.
It is open for takeaways including pints but it’s not the same as sitting in drinking them.

CaltonTongues
bada bing1

Got email sign in for game tomorrow, looks like it’s a free weekend pass for Premier Sports.

Craig, The thing I missed was not being able to sit at the bar. I prefer that unless I come in with company.
In the afternoons & early evening it tends to be an older clientele who come in on their own and sit or stand at the bar. Always plenty of company though.

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Gordon64

http://celticunderground.net/the-curse-of-the-accountant/ Celtic Underground-The Curse Of The Accountant

bournesouprecipe

We should never let Celtic supporting transcend to a lack of discipline and firing Neil Lennon would be a distinct sign. The start to this season has been awful from the get go, in Nice, France when for reasons of fitness he split his squad into two sides. Since then none of the possibles made it to the probables, and none of the probables have played consistently well. Don’t be an angry Celt and to change the manager you need a back up plan, and we clearly don’t possess one.

Peter got into his big black car for a drive up the Campsie’s heading for Tony Mowbray he was gormless on the training ground beaten 4-0 by a plucky St.Mirren. He didn’t even see Peter coming, he was just a false alarm, Lurgan Klopp took over from Mogga after a round of roadshows, the rest is now historical. The job Neil started has grown bigger and bigger and bigger the more unbeaten Celtic have become in domestic blissdom, and the more whopped they’ve been on socially distanced
Thursdays.

Nine defenders have now all started in the sieve, (competitive games)

El Hamed Frimpong Jullien Welsh Ajer Duffy Bitton Taylor Laxalt

Three players signed trying to replace Kieran Tierney

Bolingoli Taylor Laxalt

Three players signed trying to replace unwanted Mikel Lustig

Bauer El Hamed Frimpong

Centre back pairings tried

Jullien and Ajer, Bitton and Ajer, Duffy and Ajer, Duffy and Welsh

Nine midfield players tried

Frimpong Forrest Christie Rogic Ntcham Brown MacGregor El Younoussi Turnbull

Five strikers tried,

Edouard Ajeti Klimala Christie Griffiths

Two different goalkeepers

Bain Barkas

Formations

3-5–2, 4-5-1, 4-2-3-1, 4-3-2-1, blah blah blah and blah

Pick a sieve any sieve you like, mixing and matching pairs, Taxi for Shane, Oh my days crosses are worser than James Forrest on a bad hair day. FFS Eddy just shoot, says us to the laptop. Somebody stars in the return of the invisible man, our love Ryan is self isolating on the wing. Olivier’s on the road to God knows where. MOI’s the ghost of the back post, Broony’s got Mickel Lustig legs. Barkas is clearly wilting.

Those legacy Celts haven’t fared too well either with star performers inexplicably underperforming for the under fire again and attacked at least twice on Glasgow’s streets manager. Just the once for the cameras in Zombie infested Edinburgh , and sent bombs and bullets by Her Majesties Royal Mail. Protect the man they said in the showers was just a pure ‘shoe in’ you’re damn right they will, even if they’ve to re engage his bodyguard it’s still about their big business and bonus.

Try another Irish gent ( TAIG ) for short isn’t an option when you’ve fresh run out of them, and besides the only caretaker manager ever to win anything at Celtic was Neil Lennon. Owen Coyle’s in India that well known soccer hotbed, but we’ve still got his moby and he’s got a nice Irish name. Roy ( mad as a March hare ) already said no, where to go? back to the green room for another zoom. Try Clarke he’s a Tim living down Sarf, and wasn’t to know till he went to IBrokes that he was a fenian bas@ard? ‘ It’s too big a job to be given out by the men who do the giving out, and somethings gotta change our world. It’s nothing personal its strictly business said Fergus to Luigi and Tommy, they hire them fire them do those big mugs with Rolls Royces.

The supporters have gone from having men behind the wire fence at Lennoxtown and from buying, to baying on the Celtic way. Never let a deadline Diego by Laxalt and Chris Drama Queen Jullien two plus’s from a highly debatable list of minus’s on Neil’s shopping list. Start with a transfer embargo, there are too many Banguras out there, and signing six full backs to fill two spaces is flagrant waste, but the clear out can’t start till January.

Hail Hail

One Neil Lennon something inside, keep it lit, up went Nelson etc,etc,etc.

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Wishing it were so will not make it so. We ALL would love NL to take us to Ten,but what we have seen so far this season,and especially over the last six or seven weeks,makes it highly improbable.

So you have a choice-do you want Celtic to win the title without Neil in charge,or do you want to keep him for old time’s sake and giftwrap the title and send it southwards?

Gordon64

You know things must be serious when BSR is posting on SC HH 😉👍

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BSR- top stuff

A good read from BSR.

Gordon64

I’m getting the distinct feeling that season 2020/21 is going to be even more monumental than most of us could have predicted. If we can turn this season around and win The Ten it would be the clubs greatest ever achievement outwith the Big Cup and we can all die happy ever after 🏆🍀😀
HOWEVA the unthinkable is now starting to become thinkable 😱 Failure this season is not an option for the supporters but IF it comes to pass and we don’t win the Ten the fall out will be of Hiroshima like proportions. The festering sores of T5WA the continuation lie and Res 12 that our board have tried to conceal will burst open and there will be all out Tim on Tim civil war. By which time PL will have driven off to his heated driveway in the sunset and our absentee landlord will be nowhere to seen leaving Bankier & co to man the Kerrydale barricades.
Hope I’m not overstating the importance of this season but whatever the outcome nothing will ever be the same again Hh

McCaff

Afternoon all…can someone post a link to CB’s score Predictor, cheers!

Mahe

Score predictor link below
https://sentinelcelts.com/?p=5877

Mahe

I didn’t think we were doing score predictor for cup games so didn’t post it.

A thing of beauty

Are we doing the predictor today chaps

McCaff

Cheers Mahe, I forgot it was League Cup! So we’re not doing it today then. I’ll be firing in a compensation claim if I end up further down the table due to non-posting!! 😉

Mahe

No score predictions today I believe

A thing of beauty

Cheers mahe

McCaff

ATOB…it doesn’t look like it!

A thing of beauty

As well saves me making a fool
Of myself again

bournesouprecipe

BMCUW

I’d rather let somebody new pick the new manager, if he goes now ‘thems’ get to pick ( again). ‘The Ten’ has led to the pickle
we’re in. Its now beyond the ten and wasting clean legitimate Celtic money on punts has to stop if Celtic are to flourish.

New broom not a new manager via the green room zoom.

HH

Chairbjoy

Last night on CQN,our friend Auldheid posted a comment to me and I’ve replied this afternoon, there was to my mind a heathy discussion of whether Celtic PLC had conspired or colluded to get Rangers competitive, even to the point of giving away the TEN – obviously it’s been discussed here, long time passing – there are a great many comments but I thought I’d C&P it over this vignette as it may be of interest…

CQN: CHAIRBHOY @ 2:54 PM

CQN: AULDHEID @ 2:35 AM,

Three at one time.

On this year yes no conspiracy, but past behaviour tends to influence thinking.

I think the possibility of a conspiracy to keep Rangers alive in 2011 cannot be ruled out. It is question of did Rangers act alone, if so no conspiracy .

Did they act with SFA knowledge of an overdue tax? An SFA with Ogilvie in post and Bain on Committees and Andrew Dickson on the Licensing Committee? What are the chances the SFA knew nothing, Manuel style?

The Regan e mail to Rangers in December 2011 that tried to justify the grant of the licence that produced the comment from Ibrox that his statement might draw in the SFA , then the meal at Hotel du Vin to avoid any response?

Not solid proof but enough to suggest a conspiracy between SFA and Rangers.

Did Celtic know about the overdue tax? No proof but why their resistance to even establishing if the rules were breached, and no statement since 2013 to confirm or deny that they were.

Highly suspicious not to mention deflection from key date at last AGM when evidence presented in 2018 suggested the licence was obtained by false pretence. to justify not involving UEFA?

On LNS, as I stated earlier there was nothing in the 5 Way that excluded an investigation of ebts, but when later evidence not considered/seen by LNS was provided to Celtic in 2014 , not a word.

The worst bit for me is the pretence that Celtic were annoyed with the LNS outcome, their letters sent to \SFA and publicised that had no effect, the effective suggestions made using what Res12 had uncovered ignored and left to shareholders to pursue at a cost just over £11k, the appearance of acting or excuses for not acting.

I wouldn’t call that a conspiracy, I’d call it Celtic ripping the piss out of shareholders and supporters.

Then again that does not seem to concern as many as imagined

So why bother trying to tell the story all set out at 

http://www.res12.uk (with more to come on Res11 2020)

Wish I’d come across The Plato’s Cave story a lot sooner.

Well Plato was a smart fhella, that’s for sure.

Yet the story you tell is not only well worth telling, it would have been a negation not to tell it. I’m sure when you set out on Res12 you didn’t think you would, and didn’t want to be here, but Res 12 is a cord that runs parallel to a decade of wanton deception and corruption (we know it has been running longer) in Scottish Football.

A cord with lights along it’s length, illuminating the wrong doing all along the way.

When RIFC accounts were published recently the number of fholk demanding FFP brought a rye smile to my face as I thought of the battle you ghuys faced. 

Over a decade of financial doping and illict practice exposed and it’s been ignored by the majority of Celtic fans. The new Rangers catch up with us, overtake us and now FFP is a big issue – how do they get away with it they ask?

Well look in the mirror and ask yourself what you did about oldco’s financial doping – if the answers nothing, then that’s why.

BTW: The Banter doesn’t count

You seem a wee bit despondent and you shouldn’t be, I’ve no right to say that of course, as the time, emotion and money you’ve invested in this I can only imagine.

But we have came along way and very many salute you for that.

Let me give you an example of how far we’ve come…

The back end of 2009 I stated on these very pages [CQN] that the only reason Craig Levein was appointed Scotland manager was due to the fact Dundee United were currently the best side in Scotland and had crucial games against Rangers coming up and could have made a difference in the championship and the cups over the season.

Folk thought I was a nut – conspiracy therioes were not as pronounced as they are today – but they certainly thought I was a tinfoil head.

Now, today on these very pages, we are discussing not the SFA’s help for Rangers but Celtic’s, how much have they helped Rangers with the continuity myth? How much have Celtic contibuted to Rangers being a realistic contender for a Scottish championship?

That’s how far we have come, not if the games corrupt, we know that it is, you’ve proved it is but how much are our very own Club complicit? That’s the question we are now asking, totally unthinkable then.

It’s a very sad state of affairs no doubt but it was you and your like who have shone the light on that midden.

I for one thank you!!

Hail Hail

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G64- if this season goes breasts north,the Club will have to face major refunds to ST Holders for this season, and factor in the thousands who won’t renew next season, if the next appointment is not right ,those huge Magners covers from the top tier, will be getting dry cleaned.

Mahe

Uber Tim,
“Absolute arsehole of a support we’ve become now. We desreve the forthcoming hun
supremacy.
PL is a hero, and NL is the bad guy. That’s it in a nutshell. I’m disgusted by this.””

That’s terrible to read, at least to me.
The support aren’t arseholes for demanding the head of an underperforming manager, I would say the opposite.
The recent graphs have shown Lenny has got much worse results than Barnes and Mogga over his last 9 games. This tells me he has been given time, and his club connection helped stop calls for his head.
But ultimately Tim or not, if the manager wins two in nine he will probably get relieved no matter what his name is.
Neil has been fortunate that there are no fans in stadium, for he would have felt much more pressure.

As for Peter a hero while Neil is bad, you’re having a laugh. Peter is the most hated man in Celtic cyberspace.

The Barca victory? That was six years ago pal. Can’t live on past glories can we, or why not sign Roy Keane for midfield to lead us to the ten.

It’s been a flustercluck of epic proportions, I admit that. And we are standing by Neil, we all wish him well and hope he turns it around. He will be given to January it looks like, a huge chance.

If Lenny gets fired do not tell us it’s a disgrace or he wasn’t given a chance.
The results aren’t good enough full stop.
When that happens whoever it is needs to go.

Hail Hail

Craig 76

Well done CCB a nice 9/1 winner

Chairbhoy

BSR @ 1:41 pm,

Excellent Post.

They say in life until you can confront death you will never truly live!!

Sometimes you must give up precious things to recieve.

Well, I’ve given up the TEN

Now that doesn’t mean I’ve given up on the chances of us winning the TEN

It just means I’m reconciled to the death of the TEN and feel much more alive and focussed as a Celtic Supporter for it…

COYBIG

Hail Hail

big packy

AFTERNOON ALL or EVENING, as its dark here in murky cheshire, reminds me of saltcoats on a good day😍😍 only joking sol ,nice to see the uber tim posting you cant keep us lanarkshire bhoys down👍 i wish i could share his enthuiasim, why the feck do i pick these big words😍for neil lennon ,uber if your lurking luv ya to bits although like you, I want rid of the pied piper lawwell,, I dont think lenny is the man to lead us forward,,hope ive not insulted you by that, if i have, blame jimthetim53 😍

Gordon64

If we had watched these performances this season with crowds inside CP Lenny would have gone by now Hh

Gordon64

Whatever happened to all the unopened applications for the managers job that PL didn’t even bother looking at after BR left ? 🤔

JimmynotPaul

Mahe.3.13
A post, I fully agree with.
One point though, it was 8years ago, not 6.

Rebus67

There are very few rationales for why NL has not been sacked. Firstly, the easiest thing was to replace him with one of the other backroom staff. That would be JK but clearly he is not deemed fit or does not want it. Wise outcome! Secondly, the Board must look outside to replace him. After the latest hammering in Prague there are no excuses for keeping the current manager. So, why has he not been replaced? Possibly, the Board will not spend what is required to lure and hire a quality candidate. Given hard times etc that would be the rationale. Short term thinking because keeping the current manager is a high risk strategy both financially and football wise. Alternatively, the Board have identified who they want but he will not come until season end. In this situation, the Board must have considered an interim appointment but either struck out or he will be arriving shortly. Nothing else makes sense. Not even the Board believing that NL will turn this around. He had previous on this last season when he was rescued by Sevco imploding. That will not happen this time and, if that is the plan, it is fatally flawed.

I wonder how typical I am of the support? I switched over from Rangers in the sixties because of the bile and bigotry experienced there. I have followed Celtic ever since….through moving to England, through emigrating to Canada, through thick and thin. Now as each day of this farce unfolds I find I care less. I now know that I can walk away from the cesspool of internal intrigue and poor decision making that has made the club a third rate entity in Europe. How many, like me, will just not come back?

Rebus

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That 9/1 winner has you starting to breathe down RAYMAC’s neck!

Three winners all season,I think. 15/2,14/1 and 9/1. That’s the way to do it…

Gordon64

Rebus Purely surmising but I guess a large percentage of the thousands who bought STs to join the Brendan bandwagon renewed for one reason and one reason only ‘The Ten’ ! Once that has been accomplished or lost what other incentive will there be for many of them. Sure they’ll turn up for the ‘Glasgow Derby’ matches and big European nights (if we have them) but otherwise I suspect many of them will find other things to do on matchdays. As Bada posted earlier JPT will be looking out the covers for the top tier stand Hh

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Most of us on here don’t expect or want a permanent replacement at this time. We want an interim manager while a proper appointment is properly headhunted and prepared.

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The HAKA is f…..g awesome! I’m amazed they’ve got any energy left for 80 minutes of rugby after it!!!

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