Wrong time to play Chicken

Shocking!
Unacceptable!
Disgraceful!
Shameful!

 

Thats just a taste of how fans felt over the performances this season.
But of course they dont tend to see their opinions scattered all over the front and back pages, echoed by celebrity fans and former players.
As soon as a tiny percentage of fans turn from armchair protestor to a loud unhappy visual presence though the above gets yelled by every outlet and high profile person with skin in the game, almost as if co-ordinated and co-incidental.

 

Operation Deflect had a very easy target, yes, and of course we don’t want to see ugly scenes, but you won’t find me criticising those who felt forced to gather and be heard on Sunday night.
It should never have come to that.
But with the deflection yesterday came another allegation, that those scenes would compel our majority shareholder to dig in as he is not the type of man to submit to others yelling at him what to do.
He might be stubborn indeed, probably is actually, but playing chicken with the fans now? Doubling down on Lenny saying what are you going to do?
Wont happen. I will tell you why it cant happen.

 

It interferes with the money, and that is something sacrosanct.
Should Dermot have the stupidity to stand his ground on this one, and give the support essentially a big ‘eff you’ he would receive quite a big one back I believe.

 

Full take up of VST’s this season allied with purchasing the full array of the impressive Adidas apparel seen most fans spend about a grand on the club. That would be par for the course for many a Tim, but when one considers there was little chance of attendance, it became in essence a helping hand to the club to show solidarity in this midst of unprecedented times.
What they did should not be forgotten, deserves to be remembered and applauded.
But that feeling has changed, it’s not there now. To assume the same take up again would be supreme folly.
And should the fan base be antagonized, you can definitely kiss most of those VST sales goodbye.

 

Lenny remaining in situ further stops becoming an option as it must be realised the next defeat will see thousands not hundreds hit Parkhead and no legislation about illegal gatherings will stop the support, infact it will inflame them should Plod attempt to go down that route, again putting the moolah more at risk through ill will. The next protest after that larger, and the chain will continue until there is affirmative action. Sticking with what we have for now is in no way an option. The players arent playing for him, which means likely defeat which means protest after every game until change is made.

 

It simply must happen. Dermot might want to stick one to the support, but someone somewhere will have pointed out this fact to him. When the money is on the line, and it is judging many media posts, then you bow to customer demands or face a boycott.
That boycott would be unthinkable if attendance was as normal, but just now conditions are ripe for a withholding of funds by many of the supporters.
The others on the board would be severely affected also, they must be pointing this out?
I expect next year’s VST sales to be the deciding factor in whether to stick with Lenny or whether to bring in a new setup, even if that new setup is temporary.

 

Getting in fans good graces now, showing a degree of understanding when its absolutely necessary, is vital to future revenue streams.
To keep the money rolling in, change must happen and soon.
If not we are watching one of the most expensive games of chicken I ever seen.

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Mahe

I had already penned the article when this came out,,,

Neil Lennon to stay as Celtic boss for Milan clash as Dermot Desmond doubles down after fans’ protest
The club’s majority shareholder is ready to offer the under-fire boss a last chance to turn the season around.
dailyrecord

Celtic supremo Dermot Desmond has chosen not to axe Neil Lennon because he was so disgusted by the baying mob calling for the manager’s head after Sunday’s defeat to Ross County.

Record Sport understands the club’s majority shareholder is ready to stand shoulder to shoulder with Lennon for the time being and offer him a last chance to turn the club’s season around, starting on Thursday night at the San Siro.

Sources close to the Irish tycoon have revealed Desmond was outraged by the violent protest which saw fans clash with police following the Betfred Cup collapse.

Lennon and his players needed to be given an escort by cops to get away from the stadium safely and will give his countryman one last chance to save his job at the San Siro because angry fans had gathered in thge carpark, ignoring Glasgow’s level 4 Covid restrictions to hurl abuse at the nine in a row champions.

Celtic respond to Hibs fixture fury and reveal training camp plans behind reshuffle request

And those shameful scenes helped convince Desmond to double down on his decision not to bring Lennon’s second stint in charge to an end.

Our source said: “Dermot Desmond is simply not the kind of man who will be dictated to by a hate mob – if anything what went on after the game on Sunday has strengthened his resolve to give Neil another chance to turn things around.

“It’s obviously been a terrible run of results for the manager but last Friday, despite the Europa League defeat against Sparta Prague, Dermot was absolutely unequivocal in his support for Neil. Yes, the defeat to Ross County was a bad one but the reaction to it was even more unacceptable as far as Dermot is concerned.
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“Neil knows he can’t go on losing games indefinitely but he will also not be thrown to the wolves just because of the demands of a bunch of fans with an enormous sense of entitlement.”

Lennon was back at Lennoxtown on Monday taking training as his team prepares for a dead-rubber Europa League clash with AC Milan in Italy.

If he can avoid another humiliating result on Thursday night then the Northern Irishman could still be clinging onto the job by the time Celtic face St Johnstone in the league on Sunday.
Celtic FC news

Record Sport also understands talk of the club reaching out to Martin O’Neill – with Roy Keane as no.2 – over a possible return is well wide of the mark.

A document doing the rounds online last night suggesting a prepared announcement of the former manager’s return has been dismissed by the club as completely false.

Mahe

I see Jim mentioning he feels Dermot can save face here,, acting later means not being seen to be giving in to the mobs wishes.

The danger there is with each day/game that passes the tension increases, and by the time the next defeat comes a large to very large crowd could decend upon the park.
So even if late night meeting then dismissal, it could get ugly no matter with the players seen as chucked it, plus plod never helps.

If Dermot doesn’t like bowing to the crowd how would that go? There would be a bigger crowd to bow to. If it gets ugly deals off to teach us a lesson?

Regarding that article an extra game is hardly doubling down, then as if the fact that sacking an underperforming manager is ‘throwing him to the wolves’ isn’t bad enough, those who got loud and visual by using their legal right to protest get called ‘entitled’ and a ‘hate mob’.
Terrible choice of words. Of course fans are more than entitled to stand up for their club, in fact I applaud those that do.
Whoever the spokesman is , ahem rhymes with Wankier I reckon, sounds like a right upper class Tory prick.

It is the Record though, hardly a baston of truth fullness. We shall see what tomorrow brings. Dermot reported to be upset and stalling, but getting his man in the background would be more believable to me.

Goodnight Timland as TeT would say
Hail Hail

The Star Above The Crest

I’d like to see Lawell out tomorrow. Put him on gardening leave or pay him off. Just get him to fuck. Lenny can go too but with thanks for everything and best wishes for the future. DD takes a proper hands on role for the next 6 months or whatever to ensure the new manager gets all the support he needs. My new manager would be Ralf Rangnick. His remit is to make us a professional modern European club. If he wins the league this season then fantastic, if not, well he’s had time to bed in and put foundations for the future.

No way thats happening though, we’ll end up with Mark fucking McGhee.

Big Audio Dynamite

Whatever happened to the ….? https://youtu.be/GoG4ziny-QI

Big Audio Dynamite

Any kind of dissent now, and you are part of the “Hate mob”
Say the word Rebel on the Celtic way, and chances are DD&PL will make sure the Scottish SS will kick your door down in a dawn raid!
The Celtic you thought you knew so well, turned out to just be an illusion.
Every single Celtic fan who stood on the Celtic way the other night, is now under threat of arrest …mana from heaven for the real culprits of this shit show.

Still want to finance these cunts? They are banking on it! Quite literally!!

Noel Skytrot

Two grand in and I feel like i’ve been robbed.

Get them to fuck CSC

Big Audio Dynamite

Entitlement? Ha! Are we not entitled to ask why a brand new football team might be on their way to an invincible treble!?

You don’t see the word SEVCO much anymore, eh? Job’s a good ‘un.

I will need to find somewhere else to be, come May!

Sickening.

The Gombeen Man

The final betrayal.

It’s the equivalent of Burntollet Bridge.

A calm atmosphere behind the PLC erected wire on the Celtic Way and approximately 30 riot wagons appear. Cops with batons drawn accompanied by a helicopter.

More like Thatcher’s Britain and the Miner’s Strike.

I don’t remember fear of the spread of coronavirus being used to prevent mobs loitering around statues or rampaging around George Square earlier this year?

Entitled was the word used by the Pedro plant, Bill Leckie last week. Prior to that it’s been panty wetters, bedwtters even ex-coaches dubbed as rats.

“No blacks, no dogs, no Irish”

For years I’ve watched Pedro swing like Tarzan from SPL, SFA, SPFL Committee to avoid any connection with this fraud on the Celtic support.

The younger support are 100% correct in their assertion that they’ve been “mugged” of the £500 SB money.

Pedro’s cyber mouthpiece called it right when he said ,”There’s worse to come.”

( Even Sir Rod Stewart rolled out. Didn’t he throw a punch at an employee of a nightclub a few months ago? Chancer).

The Gombeen Man

ATOB,

Thanks for the mention the other night. Anytime I see that word used I replace it with Fear.
Fear is appropriate 95% of the time so far.

Till Later.

m6bhoy

Is the Desmond led Board just bloody incompetent or are we witnessing an act of deliberate sabotage?

Big Audio Dynamite

M6, incompetent billionaires? Think about it.

McCaff

Morning all…for any who missed this I’ve just had a wee chuckle!!
http://etims.net/?p=16419

A thing of beauty

TGM,
No probs. I think I’ve explained well enough why we use that word and it’s certainly not through fear. I must be in the 5% 👍

JimmynotPaul

ATOB. 10.11.
As you know, I’m with you, I truly don’t understand TGM on this.
A small amount of Celtic fans, at Celtic Park, not all, were huns on Sun, does that mean I fear them?
A hun, is a much more generic term, for me, it’s certainly not just for Rangers fans.
I’ve heard plenty of Rangers fans use it throughout the years and I’ve put up footage of them singing it.
It’s only very recently that some Rangers fans have attempted to use it as a false equivalence to sectarian words.
It’s not on for me, Charlie Nicholas, Andy Walker, Kris Commons are all huns, because of their behaviours, not because I fear them.

A thing of beauty

TGM,
The final betrayal.
I agree with every word and am very interested in how we as a support utilise these keyboard warriors who whipped the support into such a violent frenzy at the click of a mouse.
No we know that is bullshit and the mostly peaceful protestors were expressing the annoyance of the support in general towards our passive, parasitic board and our passive management team and players. But it is true to say that there is a consensus across a huge part of the support just now that we are being treated as mugs and taken for granted. That’s before you even talk about the more well versed sections of the support who are aware of how they have shafted us on the 5 WA and res 12.
I hope they are able to find a way that can mobilise our support to join the Celtic Supporters Trust and we can find a collective voice prior to their season book drive for next season.
Cmon bloggers and podcasters, time to really make your voices heard.

Ayrshire Bhoy

Slowest car crash in history this is becoming. I honestly cant remember a worse run than this one, might have been one in the 90’s but my brain permanently compartmentalized the 90’s so I cant tell. To me Neil has in the last 2 months had his Tony Mowbray moment, his Ronny Delia moment and now his John Barnes moment and he is still not getting sacked! My big fear now is that we have a replacement but they have refused to come in while the 10 is still viable as they don’t want losing the 10 on their CV.

Awe Naw

worst run since 1952 Ive been told ???

fan-a-tic

Awe Naw @11-05
I think Peter/Paul meant Pants not Points to be dropped in unlikely places.

Ayrshire Bhoy

Maybe Paul will just rerun that today, wouldn’t sound any stupider than his recent posts.

CaltonTongues

Afternoon All,

Just a quick one during Lunch….

https://postimg.cc/p9ZFtkjQ

HH

The Gombeen Man

JNP,

There’s only Love and Fear.

Hatred, bigotry, jealousy, racism, anxiety are rooted in fear.

When you see that word used ” the cheating Hun ref gave a penality or the Huns are dodging tax.” There’s a fear behind it.

Similarly when you hear Fenian B etc. There’s a fear there. The Orangeman is really in fear. Fear of the loss of his culture/physical fear etc.

It was fear that took the supporters to Celtic Park on Sunday.
Fear of loss of 10 or domination by Sevco.
Fear of collusion by the PLC. Fear of coach of players not performing etc.

Other Celtic fans react out of fear of reputational damage or what the MSM will say and they have a go at the supporters in the car park.

Problem is it spirals.

If there’s conflict there’s generally a fear in the background.

ATOB,

Yep you’re in the 5%. 😁

The problem with psychological fear is that we find it difficult to control. When you go out on the bike there is a natural form of balance that keeps you on the bike.
It’s called proprioception.

When things like ” Worse is to come.”
Or ‘the government or FM are cheating us, Covid cheating, tax dodging’ are posted by credible sources. The fear it generates goes into anger, rage and violence etc.
The original writer’s fear spreads, almost like a virus.

We lose the sense of proportion.

Humans don’t have the same sense of balance with their emotions.

bada bing1

The current shambles has turned into a standoff, which solves absolutely nothing. A good Celtic man is drowning here,DD is doing Neil no favours ,by prolonging his agony.He will not turn this team around, everyone knows that,and I include Neil himself, going by his recent press conferences. Do the right thing, relieve him of his duties, pay him what he is due,thank him and let’s move on.

Rebus67

I am in sympathy with everyone that is calling for immediate action. However, there are practicalities associated with “immediate” action. Take getting rid of the manager, which is the most immediate concern. A severance plus confidentiality agreement has to be negotiated. Then there is the issue of the rest of the management ….stay or go? In this situation the CEO’s position is also a question. So, if he knows that, how keen is he to handle the firings if his neck is also on the block? Actually I do not think that it is but it should be. If the Board is considering ditching the management team and the CEO, then what structure is going to be put in place? La meme chose? Or a DOF with redefined duties for the CEO? Consultants would need to be hired, either organisational stricture specialists and/or headhunters. That will all take time. PL would have to be given notice and, again, a confidentiality agreement negotiated. Dealing with the termination of PL would not be a speedy process but it would be an expensive one, not to mention disruptive to items like negotiating inward/outward transfers in January, plus the renewal of existing players contracts.

Disentangling the current manager would be a cakewalk compared to terminating the CEO. Even in the case of NL, a quick replacement would need to be found as the current coaching staff could not sub for him for more than a game or two, because they are even more inept than he is.

IMHO, what needs to happen won’t because it would almost certainly kill off the league aspirations for this season. Action should have happened prior to the start of the season, or at the latest after Ferencvaros. I have seen this movie so many times…….a company fails to take action when it is aware that there is a serious issue…….a few months down the road, lo and behold, the issue has not gone away it has multiplied by several times, and Murphy’s Law has kicked in.

The only satisfying thing in all of this is that this Board deserve it.

Rebus

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Bada Bing 1

100% agree. What they’re doing to NFL is cruel.

Rebus67

Bada and Star,

Sorry I do not agree. NL knew better than anyone what he was getting into. In fact, he walked away from it before.

Currently, he is nowhere near doing his job. The recent results prove that, plus most of the performances this season reinforce it. There is a case for dismissal without compensation due to incompetence. However, that will never happen because it would turn football upside down.

NL did not appoint himself, that fault lies elsewhere, so he is entitled to hang in there until removed. He knows what he is doing and putting the club first is not it. So no sympathy is due in this case. Sympathy for what he has endured in his previous tenure….Yes, but now it is all about him and his bank balance.

Rebus

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REBUS67

Rule No 1.

When you are in a hole,put the shovel down. That’s what got you there in the first place. Possibly the best example of this is what nearly became the biggest corporate fiasco in history.

New Formula Coke. Launched because Pepsi was gradually eating into it market domination.

It bombed. Sales evaporated. The product was swiftly dropped,the original brought back and the senior management sacked. Normal service resumed.

Sticking with failure rarely works. Particularly when you have been found out. Ask shareholders of Enron,GEC,Nokia,etc. Past success is no guarantee to the future.

The departure of NL is sadly overdue. The dismissal of Lawwell is something that should not be necessary,because the mistake was to hire him in the first place. Handing him unbridled control was a dereliction of duty whose outcome was inevitable.

JimmynotPaul

TGM.
It’s true that there only two primary emotions: love and fear, but is it more accurate to say that there is only love or fear for we cannot feel these two emotions together at exactly the same time?
I read the articles with great interest, that you discuss with others, another great attraction of the blog. So, thank you.
My wife is a practising Buddhist and indeed, does meditations and talks, that people pay for, the money doesn’t go to her, of course.
She would be on your side, of the debate.😉

Mahe

Morning troops.
Hope all are well.

Im calling it a game of chicken, Bada calls it a standoff, same thing.
It’s totally the wrong time for that, and like article says when there’s money on the line they soon do whatever is needed to get it.
That means new man in this case.

As for Bloggers whipping the masses into a frenzy, I guess they are talking about us 😉
I wish we could.
I agree with others, get the Trust updated and energised.
I might try to help that.

Hail Hail

Chairbhoy

Rebus @ 2:00 pm,

That is a very illuminating piece.

My thoughts are that there is something deeper going on and the more things play out, the worse things are getting, the more I believe this to be the case.

Of course rumours abound and in the absence of proper communiques from Celtic they would. In fact if somone could point me in the direction of something, anything our CEO has said since the transfer window opened I’d be grateful and I’d be surprised, because I haven’t heard a single utterence.

It seems to me the players dressing room is divided, the coaches/managers are divided and now, more than ever I’m convinced the Boardroom is divided.

If it was as easy as changing a manager it would have been done by now.

My feeling is that things have fallen apart, trust has broken down and they were trying to hold things together with gaffer tape, in the vain hope that the pursuit of the TEN would focus minds, then a revamp in the summer.

Yet as you say…

 “I have seen this movie so many times…….a company fails to take action when it is aware that there is a serious issue…….a few months down the road, lo and behold, the issue has not gone away it has multiplied by several times, and Murphy’s Law has kicked in.

It’s a recipe for failure and that’s exactly what we are seeing unfold.

We can only hope the rumours that PL is resigning at the AGM is true and we can flush this Board away and Celtic can join the 21st Century, with 21st Century executives, DofFs , managers, coaches, analytics…

Hail Hail

Michael Thomas

Rumour Lawell to resign at A G M anyone ? noticed his name not on ballot sheet for re election

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MICHAELTHOMAS

Maybe he didn’t open the e-mail…

Hearing a deal is being thrashed out with Hibs for Jack Ross.

Rebus67

Chairbhoy,

I was not aware of the rumour re PL and the AGM. On balance, I would think it is urban myth.

Like most I would like to see immediate change to both personnel and the Org. Chart but I know these things take time to both devise and implement. Further, you do not tell the public and your competition what you are doing until you are quite far down the road. So, apart from the management team, I would not expect to see any change or news of it until after the AGM at the earliest.

What concerns me the most is the effect that it all has had on Rebus67 esquire. I have become an angry person…..much as I was in my youth. I do not like the person I have become. Fair scunnered sums it up quite well. I do not know what level of change would bring me back. I chucked it after the shower appointment because I saw a senior management with limited ambition. But how can you not give a guy like NL a chance? Even after the “turnaround” in the second half of last season seemed hollow to me. Sevco faded, we did not, but they still easily beat us one on one. Now this season, the chickens have come home to roost and it is hard to spend the money to, at least, alleviate the problem.

I do not claim to be an ace forecaster but I could see the current situation coming a mile off. So why could not the Board/CEO? When faith is lost, it is very difficult to get it back. If the Board is relying on fans not taking drastic action against the club because it benefits Sevco, then they have misjudged me, at least. Scunnered as I said.

Rebus

PS. I have shares in Celtic but I would not consider selling them…..paradoxically.

Mike in Toronto

I tend to agree with Rebus.

I never thought NFL was a good coach. My sense was that, for the most part, we won in Scotland because we bought better players (in relative terms Ferraris vs. Lada’s), but often smaller teams sat back and we struggled to break them down. Frankly, most games (even if we won by dint of our better players), I would have said NFL was outcoached; they got relatively more from lesser players than we got from better players

How I see it is we have been getting 30/% out of 20,000 pound a week players, or 6,000 a week players. While smaller clubs, with better coaching have been getting 75% out of 4,000 pound a week players, or 3,000 a week players.

So, while, financially, we have a team of 20,000 pound players playing guys who get paid 5 times less, the on field product is more like a team of 6,000 pound players playing a team only slight less than them. The on field gap is much smaller than it should be given the much larger financial off field gap.

In Europe, we had some really good results with NFL, but usually with back to the wall defending. And that is only going to get you so far.

We won last season, in part but not in whole, because the zombies fell off a cliff after xmas. However, I will say that last season, after xmas, the change in shape brought a good run, and some better football for Celtic. So, there is something there… but, for some reason, NFL seems to have lost all faith in himself and his players this season. That part is a bit inexplicable

NFL knew the score before he left last time (no support after the shame game, ‘you are selling my best players’, etc.), and he certainly knew what he was getting into when he came back.

Do I think he was hired to fail? Based on my analysis of the Board’s strategy over the last decade, yes, (and, all modesty aside, I have had a pretty good read of them for a while now … Not like I am claiming some brilliance in this … all you had to know was some pretty basic legal principles to know that something didn’t add up and that we were being led down a dark alley)

I believe that they have been scaling back quality (with the exception of BR… was that DD’s ego? I had not bought into that, but this week may suggest that there was more truth to that than I had believed ….) to allow the zombies to catch up. NFL mark 2 was the perfect Old Firm storm (we love him, they hate him, and he save the league when BR left… build up to the Holy 10).

But, honestly, he is a poor coach…. and the exact opposite of what the Board (through their PR department CQN told us they would be investing in. He seems to be most comfortable working with established pros with whom he is comfortable, while we were told that Celtic would use the gap to build up an academy to develop a conveyor belt of talent to sell on into perpetuity…. rinse and repeat).

Do I believe that NFL knows that the whole OF thing is a scam? I think he knows that better than anyone: he is hounded by that mob, and then his bosses are doing deals with them! What was he to make of that? But he still came back. Why?

NFL is not stupid. But he came back because he (i) knew he was never going to get another chance (or paycheque) like this again, and (ii) he probably believes in his own abilities (rightly or wrongly). After two public failures at Bolton and Hibs, why wouldnt he return to where he had success previously?

I believe that NFL is on a rolling 12 month contract… I have heard it is as much as 40,000 per week. so, he will hold on as long as possible…at which time he will be paid out by the Club, for doing his job.

But, they wont want to even suggest that they have given up on this season, so they will continue with the NFL can turn things around as long as possible … his job is to be the lightning rod, and deflect responsibility from the Board…

and the solution? It is actually pretty easy …. tell the Board that you wont renew unless they show a real plan to go forward….

otherwise, if you are going to pay to be lied to and cheated, you are going to be …. well, you know

I have also heard that Lawwell is going after the AGM. Apparently a furious disagreement last week in the Board. Lawwell saved NFL’s skin. Bankier & DD agreed to give him until the AC Milan game as a compromise to PL.

big packy

just had to come in there, jack ross FFS, we are celtic, but im from the old school ,anyway JIM got your e-mail will reply in time, god bless the famous glasgow celtic H,H,

timhorton

JIMTHETIM53
What has Jack Ross achieved for him being considered for the Celtic job.I know it’s a rumour.

Hiya Packy, the thing is, we are not an attractive proposition just now. I don’t think we will attract a 5 star manager.

Anyways it’s only a rumour. I just wondered what folk would think about it.

Ayrshire Bhoy

https://youtu.be/34-surLEP5g

Celtic State Of Mind podcast – Good listen today

big packy

HIYA jim was not getting at you by the way,we are one of the greatest clubs in world football we deserve one of the best managers,no disrespect to jack ross but ,ANYWAY hope you are well buddy,take care,LUV YA TO BITS, LOL..

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CHAIRBHOY

This site and its contributors have frequently commented on the reticence of PL this season. All very strange,indeed. Almost as though he didn’t want to be associated with failure-in which case he should have explored a different strategy.

timhorton

MIT@3;48
I will start by saying that i didn’t want Neil as coach but the board gave him enough money but who blew it, i think Hammond.
He was the one that scouted the players and advised PL.5ml for Barkas whe we could have had Marshall for free and that money spent on Defenders.Did he want Ajeti who knows but i think he has the wrong players that he needs to play his system.(ly he has one). Now a new coach at this time(see WGS for 6 months) would not make our pool of players into defenders,a new man will have to bring in his own players and coaches.Hammond must go as well we don’t have a bottomless of money.

bada bing1

REBUS67- I agree about being sacked for doing your job poorly, but this would result in some type of compensation, do you think Neil should walk without any compensation?

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REBUS67

I know that you don’t have Celtic as a birthright,that you joined us through choice as you got older. I’ve got many friends like that-including my best pal for the last forty years-and we all feel the same way that you do at the moment.

But for me personally,the foremost thing just now is genuine confusion. Just how bad can genuinely top notch players perform? How can they do it so consistently? Why doesn’t a coach know who he can trust,or find a formation that works?

Why does a top tier club employ a dinosaur with no idea of how to use modern technology? Would a police officer as an example still be using tactics and methods from the days of The Sweeney? Or a journalist using a typewriter and a notepad?

Would their employers allow it anyway?

There are so many things that are wrong at our club,I run through all the permutations and I can only ever arrive at the same unpalatable conclusion. That PL has worked his ticket to his own advantage,and if that happened to work to the advantage of the club,all the better. When it didn’t he could point to those previous successes and get away with it.

The failure this time has ironically came about because of NOT sticking to previous plans like selling players when they have two years to go. Those players rightly expected that unwritten rule,one which we have seen in action for many years now,to be adhered to. But he couldn’t do it this time for two reasons. It would jeopardise the ten,there’s the first. The second is that by undermining BR he hadn’t brought in quality replacements beforehand.

Or maybe he’d lost Dudu Dahan’s number.

Whatever,I wouldn’t allow Celtic to shape your frame of mind. Most of us will get angry just thinking about it,but there’s more to life. And there’s also the belief in Karma,who I must admit has been sleeping on the job lately!

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MIKEINTORONTO

£40k a month,more like.

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TIMHORTON

Good question. And one which I don’t think should even be getting asked.

Mike in Toronto

TH
I have to say, for the most part, I think we have bought decent enough players,. I am not saying that we bought world class palyers, but most of them, I have thought … good SPL player, and/or good prospect, and with a bit of coaching, they look like they can be or become good level SPL and/or European level players ….. but we dont seem to be able to develop enough of them properly once we get them.

Now, you can look at Chelsea and say they had Salah and DeBruyne, but couldn’t find a way to develop/ fit them into their first team (I could be mistaken, but I think they both left under Jose), so Celtic is by no means the only team that suffers from this problem.

The thing is because of their respective financial positions,Chelsea can suffer a 20 million pound flop better than we can suffer a 2 million pound flop. (They will probably get 14 million for a 20 million flop… whereas a player that you sign for a million, but doens’t do the business, is more likely to get you nothing as a move on). For us, we have spent a few million on each of Kouassi, followed by Soro, and most recently, Turnbull, yet none of them seem to be close to a regular run in the first team. for that kind of money, they need to be producing.

To be fair, I do think that the pressure of the winning streak had probably made it harder to blood young players in the first team … along with the lack of proper reserve games….

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I have no knowledge of that … Others (who are certainly better connected than I am …. although most people on here are) have told me he is on around 2 million a year, but I have also heard the number you are suggesting.

Personally, from what I understand BR was on… given NFL’s results, I have a hard time seeing how he would be taking so much less …..so I would have thought somewhere in the range of 1.2 million pounds … if not, he needs a better agent (tell him to call me)

but, as I said, I am just going on what I have been told …

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