Big week, Big call’s

Well it’s certainly taken quite a while but I do believe our title defence has finally begun in earnest.

 

There was always a real danger the team just would not click this year, simply stumble and stutter to the finish line weakly, but at last we have made the switches that have seen us shift up a gear.

 

That’s not to say we are perfect, but we certainly look better, much better, more like a proper Celtic team. The new breed have brought drive and desire with them, and the rest have responded.
We threaten to look like a good team at times, something many thought beyond us a month ago.

 

But,,

 

It would be foolish to believe all is rosey in the garden. For starters Odsonne Eduoard came back into the team, and once again failed to impress. It’s clear his reputation and price tag got him the nod over a hungry Klimala, who’s work ethic and natural instinct to play on the last defenders shoulder suits us much more than a deep drifting striker.

 

On the flip side the kid who slots in so well on Thursday night doesn’t even get a bench slot (unless we missed some injury news) which I’m struggling to file under great man management. Let’s hope Ewan is understanding but clearly Lenny isnt picking some players on current form.

 

The big concern is the news this group might be split up for the final to accommodate those who got the club there. This is not the news the fans want to hear.

 

For starters, moving to what many consider a weakened team would lessen the odds of lifting the cup, which may be our only real shot at success this year.
Publicly announcing these intentions was not the smartest thing to do either.
The Jambos will have loved that tipoff.

 

Then for what can be considered the look new side, they have the chance to go on and win the biggest game they have lined out for yet, plus the chance for three wins on the trot in what feels like forever, and then theres the shot at glory these special events offers.

 

While some may realise they didn’t play their part in the path there, they can fully play their part in sealing the victory, something just as important.

 

It’s conjecture but would lifting some silverware not give the new bhoys some much needed unity?
A real shot in the arm?
I can’t see how winning your place on merit then losing it on history will impress.

 

Most are in the game for medals, so winning them should really lift confidence in the camp. With that in mind should our new bhoys play and lose then perhaps this new found momentum could disappear, but then again playing them drastically improves the chances of victory.

 

Should the replaced be given starting berths only a victory would suffice, for defeat would inevitably see the place screamed down with those yelling why did you change it.

 

Then should the replaced go onto claim the Cup, presuming they come in only for the final based on getting the team there,we have the scenario of dropping cup winners which doesn’t make much sense. Many managers would stick with a group that just won building on that feel good factor they’ve had all week.

 

Will Neil set aside everything after the final? The last thing we want is Broony lifting a cup convincing Lenny he’s still got it. Likewise Rogic, Bitton, El Hamed.
Those who can be seen as yesterday’s men could actually rest assured if they see their replacements winning cup finals. They could all then see the transition in progress and rest assured their job had been done, time for others now.
Coming into the team and losing would be a terrible end to their spells, there’s always that risk. The last hoorah for the senior players going terribly wrong would be so very typical 2020.

 

Will young Hazard drop out as helping the side to silverware this young and so soon after breaking through may just make the lad? And let’s say Barkas does come in this once, would that really change things long term?
I can’t imagine that would kick start his settling down, give him the necessary confidence our keeper should have, or stall what is looking like a summer return to the continent.
I can’t see the benefits of a single game recall in his case if we are moving on with someone else.
The winners medal should help whoever is number one between the sticks settle and gain belief. Right now that’s the young Ulsterman. There’s no need to complicate things by switching him in and out.

 

Neil has really dug himself into a hole with those comments. He was beginning to take himself out of the spotlight, letting his players do the talking, but is in danger of helping good work unravel. Picking players on sentiment now when we have found rhythm, will only bring more doubts over his job suitability.
This could be the last big call Neil is remembered for so he will want to get it right, but the head should rule the heart on this occasion.
Frazer Foster won us the last cup final, sentiments should not run the risk of losing us this one.

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Mike in Toronto
December 14, 2020 4:46 pm

Auldheid

I know you must be disappointed in, but not surprised by, today’s AGM. I can only imagine the amount of time you guys have invested in this endeavour, and I wanted to express my thanks for your efforts.

By addressing this to you, I do not mean to down play the efforts of the other three, but I dont see BRTH post much anymore, for example, so I hope that someone will pass along my thanks to all of them.

On a personal level, I will say that one of the things that I have most admired is your willingness to see the good and to remain positive. As someone who deals with the sort of thing you have been dealing with, I know how difficult that can be. I could do with taking some pointers from you in that respect (and I do try to take on what you have written… I had put away my copy of the Prophet some time ago, but your notes encouraged me to go back and give it another read!).

Although you may have been let down by the Club, you should be proud of your efforts and accomplishments.

I would like to think that there would be some recognition of the work you guys have done. Hopefully, in time, something collective and more permanent can be arranged.

For now, as a token of my respect and gratitude, and in keeping with the tone you have set on CQN and on here, I have made a donation to Mary’s Meals.

Much respect,.

Magua
December 14, 2020 5:03 pm

Mike in Toronto

Excellent post. I’m sure that you speak for every Tim on the planet.

Auldheid

Don’t let the bastards get you down.

Bada Bing
December 14, 2020 5:18 pm

Bhoys, any Celtic minded pubs in Moffat?

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 14, 2020 5:33 pm

BADABING

Star Hotel looks like your best bet to be able to watch the game at all.

Magua
December 14, 2020 5:37 pm

Auldheid and others who stood proud on the Red 12 fight, can forever hold their heads high, wherever green in worn.

Lawwell on the other hand, will forever be despised as a duplicitous, lying bastard. Brother Lawwell, you made your Faustian Pact with the SFA/Ibrox Tribute Act in 2012. WE know that Peter…and what’s more, we know that YOU know this.

Hail Hail.

big packy
December 14, 2020 5:43 pm

MAGUA ,well said, the whole tory board at parkhead should be booted down london road, the sooner the better, god bless the glasgow celtic 👍

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 5:45 pm

The Board’s response to Res 11/12. It’s not our fault, it’s the big bad SFA! Let them deal with it.
Did they really think that would pacify folk?

Magua
December 14, 2020 5:47 pm

For once in my life, I believe that on one level, the PLC board deserves high praise, given the current pandemic.

They are indeed ahead of their time. These feckers have been living in their own little bubble, for many a long year.

Hail Hail.

Bada Bing
December 14, 2020 5:51 pm

BMCUW- cheers M,probably heading to Moffat or nearby to watch the game on Sunday, any suggestions welcome….keep it clean…

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 5:58 pm

The Board thought that the 5WA gave them a Get out of jail card. ‘Our hands are tied’!
They are kidding nobody. Besides I would be astounded if they didn’t know all the question marks over the issuing of the licence As It Happened. And immediately after. With their contacts within the SFA, our Directors sitting on Boards at Hampden, the expertise in rules and regulations at Parkhead. They could have been dealing with it way before the 5WA came into existence.

But they didn’t. Which raised all the conspiracy theories.

After Auldheid & Co got involved in 2013 they had no excuses. They were fed information on a continuing basis which nullified their defence of ‘we didn’t know’ or realise.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 14, 2020 6:18 pm

JIMTHETIM53

The board knew that they were culpable all along,they knew the full story from the start. IMO,their plan was to continually thwart the Fab Four by asking them for more detail on this,a bit more info on that. To dot each i and cross each t so that nothing presented could be thrown out on a technicality. Etc.

In other words,to lead them down so many blind alleys that they would simply give up.

But not those lads. The more they looked and the more they verified,the murkier the picture became. Eventually the board had to call in the big guns by getting the SFA to agree to investigate it-knowing that they couldn’t because of the 5WA-and then decline to take it to the CAS.

A stitch-up from the start,aye-but they got found out nevertheless. And while the partners in crime might have got away with it on the technicalities,everyone knows that they are as guilty as sin of selling the soul of the club,not to mention their own.

And all to save the peepul who would see us gone in a heartbeat,and do everything to facilitate it.

Bada Bing
December 14, 2020 6:36 pm
Auldheid
December 14, 2020 6:38 pm

McCaff
I’m with you Jim. I trust Jeanette Findlay as a person of integrity. Her work against the club in securing better pay terms, including for agency workers was to be commended.
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McCaff

The message she sent out that at Open Meeting and Twitter a month or two ago that the Res12 Guys wanted to deal with Res12 matters separately is not the full story and Jeanette was told where.

Initially in 2013 the Trust offered technical advice as in how to get an item on the agenda but were annoyed when The Res that they had not contributed the wording to was adjourned. Eddie Toner is on recent record as saying the adjournment should not have been agreed to, even when good reasons for doing so have been given. Our man got quite a hostile reception from CST Members on leaving the 2013 AGM because the Res was adjourned.

From 2014 to 2018 in what I would call the uncovering period, the CST were not involved because a) they did not have the time or resource needed to assist uncovering and b) were busy on important issues like FAC etc where they got, for what it was worth, appreciation from Res12guys.

In 2018 a game changer happened in that evidence in the shape of minutes of a meeting on 21st March 2011 between Rangers and HMRC surfaced, based on which legal opinion stated the licence appeared to have been granted under false pretence.

Although Bankier said today at AGM Celtic took legal advice on the licence matter and actioned from late 2011 to tackle the SFA and UEFA, Celtic at no point have provided a statement saying what UEFA were asked and what their response was.

In Aug 2018 that evidence of possible fraud was handed to PL and The Company Secretary in presence of a well known blogger and CSA Vice President John Andrews with clear suggestion: take the evidence to UEFA. If no case to answer Res12 is done, if there is, Celtic have a problem.

At the AGM in Nov 2019 when PL justified not passing that AGM Res12 saying that he had contacted UEFA that morning who confirmed no sanctions if a breach happened in monitoring period and a club would not be thrown out of the 2011/12 competition, meaning no recompense, so no locus for Res12 , PL had clearly not used the document handed to him in Aug as it focussed on the grant period and not the monitoring one and that meant possible compensation due from Rangers SFA UEFA if fraud occurred.

This is what it Celtic see as not in the Companies interest to pursue. (Don’t bite the hand that feeds you being an off the cuff comment from Celtic) At end of the 2019 AGM the CSA Vice President came over and said Celtic have done nothing in respect of taking the evidence to UEFA.

The CST were also approached in parallel in early July with the same information given to CSA and in late July a useful “setting the scene” meeting was held with a CST Board Member covering the same information given to CSA in relation to the grant period and the implications. Unfortunately there is no record of the CST reply, but from memory it was on the lines they would support from the touchline which left the matter with the requisitioners to pursue at 2018 AGM and 2019 AGM. They did say they would act if guided but pulling together the 2018 update and 2019 Resolution 12 was not a task to hand over but technical advice on voting by proxy was gratefully received in 2019.

The CST still offer the same level of support and were willing to engage more at this AGM but much depended on Celtic’s response to the draft Resolution that became a statement under Res11/12 at the latest AGM. They now have that so now is their chance to take up the reins..

On the AGM video message by Bankier some supporters seem unable to appreciate the narrative from Celtic has changed/

I posted about it here the other day linking to The Celtic Star blog setting it out .

Bankier did refer to Celtic pursuing the SFA and they were unwilling to answer but that referred to the past not now.

What Celtic have said in the AGM Notice response to shareholders concerns is that they will now engage with the SFA but will not put a timetable on it as asked in the 50 odd e mails sent to the AGM. Bankier is a Board member who approved the Celtic statement. That he manged to fuzzy it today is as much likely down to incompetence as devilment.

The Celtic “undertaking” fuzzy as it is, represents an excellent opportunity to make the Celtic Board accountable to share holders as in a progress report should be part of the agenda of any CST meetings 3 months apart with Celtic, to see they keep to their word and those of you hesitant in joining CST might want to make it a condition of joining if of course you consider the matter important enough to do so. If you have already joined then ask CST if they will now take the monitoring intermediary lead as the growing official membership organisation representing the Celtic support.

I thought it important to present the view of the requistitioners in as fair a manner as possible, whose only wish is the CST now pick up the baton on holding the Board to account to show shareholders/supporters and Celtic alike that the CST mean business.

Auldheid
December 14, 2020 6:40 pm

jimthetim53
The Board’s response to Res 11/12. It’s not our fault, it’s the big bad SFA! Let them deal with it.
Did they really think that would pacify folk?

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That is not their response Jim. Have a read at my reply to McCaff just posted.

Friesdorfer
December 14, 2020 6:48 pm

Pig sick after that fiasco today. Not surprised, but furious at the utter contempt and cognitive dissonance of Bankier and Lawwell. They obviously think that we must all be complete fools.

Seriously conflicted about renewing next season, but they will not be getting one thin dime in merchandising from me for sure going forward.

🥴🤢

p.s. the little arrow to take you to the comment box seems to have disappeared – or it could be my rage blinding me…

Frodshambhoy
December 14, 2020 6:57 pm

Auldheid
“This is what it Celtic see as not in the Companies interest to pursue. (Don’t bite the hand that feeds you being an off the cuff comment from Celtic) At end of the 2019 AGM the CSA Vice President came over and said Celtic have done nothing in respect of taking the evidence to UEFA.”

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Reminds me a bit of David Cameron’s response when he was asked why he did not call out the Boris Bus bull
about the billions of Brexit savings that would go to the NHS.
As I recall Cameron said he knew the bus was bull but as party leader he could not start a war within the Tory party!!!
What is wrong with these people. Basically the PLC/Party stands above doing the right thing.

Magua
December 14, 2020 6:57 pm

BMCUWP and Big Packy

Spot on. SDM did indeed do his level best to put us out of existence in 94.

Thanks to his Establishment connections, the BOS was gonna put us into administration for the sum of 8m quid or so. Meanwhile, the Ibrox mob, owing 3 times that amount, were allowed to trade themselves into oblivion… thank feck for Lloyd’s bank. City bankers tend not to give a damn about dodgy connections. The bottom line is all they care about.

Meanwhile, Pistol Pete and his Tory/Masonic PLC cabal, continue to give the Huns a helping hand. Is eternal shame worth the price, ya Tory bastard?Ditch all the ‘ we are Celtic supporters ‘ crap, and wrap yourselves in the red, white and blue. It’s a look that suits you better.

Hail Hail.

Friesdorfer
December 14, 2020 7:03 pm

Auldheid
Sadly, I have to disagree with your interpretation of the Board’s (Chairman) statement on Res11/12. What I took from it is that he stated that “they will continue to monitor the situation and review from time to time if, IF, any further action is required in the best interests of the company”. To me, that says they will do SFA…
HH

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 7:05 pm

Bankier, meanwhile, spoke of the final vote against the controversial Resolution 11, formerly resolution 12.
He said: “The club remains of the view that an independent review by the Scottish FA is the best way forward, but that’s a matter the board can’t control.” Daily Record.

big packy
December 14, 2020 7:22 pm

FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE, my late father used to be critical of desmond white and the kellys, what he would think of this shower i shudder to think, you can take the bhoy out of croy but you cant take croy out the bhoy 👍 H.H.

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 7:24 pm

Evening Packy. I realise you weren’t able to attend the AGM as usual today, representing the Cheshire fans of Peter Lawwell Society. Hope you didn’t miss the hospitality too much. 🙂

big packy
December 14, 2020 7:39 pm

EVENING JIM, yes as you know me and frodsham bhoy founded the friends of peter lawwell club, we are trying to attract new members how are you fixed, mcaff is coming down 😎 😎

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 7:42 pm

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big packy
December 14, 2020 7:43 pm

SPOILSPORT

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 7:46 pm

Oops messed up my edit there!

Anyways, I’ve made myself the local neighbourhood watch person during the lock down. I spend all day looking out the window.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 14, 2020 7:51 pm

JIMTHETIM53

Canny do that job without net curtains,mate.

big packy
December 14, 2020 8:07 pm

has anyone seen sol kitts and peter lawwell in the same room😎

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 14, 2020 8:11 pm

BIGPACKY

No. Because only one of them would come out alive.

big packy
December 14, 2020 8:18 pm

BOBBY and i think i know which one👍

Celtic1member1vote
December 14, 2020 8:23 pm

Auldheid ..

Thank you .. You have done an amazing amount of incredible work over all these years.

I just want to express my own thanks and I’m sure the thanks of all Celtic supporters for all your hard work.

Hopefully, you’ll get some time to yourself over the holidays.

You certainly deserve it.

Stay safe and well, and look after yourself.

Angel Gabriel
December 14, 2020 8:23 pm

Today’s AGM just confirms what a pal of my bhoy told me 3 /4 years ago.
My folks helped feed this lad and gave him help to pass his highers.
He was rarely fed at home and certainly got no help with his studies. His mum had a problem with drink and his step dad was a bully.
He’s never forgotten the help my folks gave him and is now a lawyer with the company who represents the SFA .

He was surprised 3/4 years ago when I asked him about Res12 .
Quite a debate followed.
He confirmed that the Res 12 guys were a complete pain in the arse to the SFA .

Disturbingly , he suggested there were (some) Board members at Celtic that thought the same

It sums up their response from day one .

Magua
December 14, 2020 8:36 pm

Big Packy

Our biggest enemy at the minute is not the PLC, or the Huns, or the SFA.

No. Our biggest enemy is apathy. I was involved in the protests from 90-93, and involved in S.O.C. at a low level… while still attending the games. Needed my Saturday fix. Never got involved in CFC.

By about February 94, I was at the end of my tether, and then a month later, bingo.

The present mob are counting on that same apathy. Lawwell and the present mob, are 100 times worse than Michael Kelly and the rest of those corrupt thieving bastards back in the day.

Starve The Bastards. No more living your lives high on the hog, while people in Glasgow, Liverpool and Derry and the like, are homeless and hungry.

Brothers Walfrid and Doretheous must be really proud of the PLC. SHAME ON YOU.

Not that they care. Couldn’t mark their necks with a feckin’ blowtorch.

Glasgow Celtic Football Club.

Founded by and for the poor.

Stolen by the rich.

Lawwell and company GTF

big packy
December 14, 2020 8:42 pm

MAGUA, with you all the way pal👍

Auldheid
December 14, 2020 9:00 pm

Friesdorfer
Auldheid
Sadly, I have to disagree with your interpretation of the Board’s (Chairman) statement on Res11/12. What I took from it is that he stated that “they will continue to monitor the situation and review from time to time if, IF, any further action is required in the best interests of the company”. To me, that says they will do SFA…
HH
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Bankier might have said that at AGM but it is not what he said in response to Shareholders statement in the AGM Notice to all shareholders.

“The Company was disappointed when the Scottish FA declined to investigate the issues referred to and was surprised when the Scottish FA determined not to continue with proceedings, which it had itself opened. In respect of the particular issues now raised, the Board has engaged with the requisitioning shareholders and ==>WILL ENGAGE WITH THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES AS APPROPRIATE IN THE INTERSTS OF THE COMPANY PROVIDING AN UPDATE WHEN POSSIBLE <====. In the circumstances, therefore, the Board considers the resolution to be unnecessary and recommends that you vote against it.”

No IFS but WILL with the RELEVANT AUTHORITIES. That is Bankier's hostage to fortune against which the CST AND supporters can make Celtic accountable if they think it important that the assurances that shareholders asked for that the rules will be applied is not given by ST renewal.

What he said at AGM is irrelevant to what Bankier agreed in the statement above that he approved as a Board member before it went into the AGM notice.

If you read the shareholders statement to which Celtic responded you will see why shareholders believe it is in the Company's interest to follow up with SFA although that all depends now, as it always did, on how many more lies supporters are prepared to swallow to watch Celtic play in a rigged game . How many decisions go against us in those games that would not happen if SFA were challenged by Celtic. Something all supporters complain about but when the rubber hits the road as it does nearly every weekend , don't want to change what makes the game less enjoyable and often a cause of anger.

To get Celtic (and SFA) to change, supporters can MAKE it in their interests to do so and one way is to write in and make it clear if they do not take up the issue with the SFA (and UEFA) as the relevant authorities, they will not renew until Celtic report back that they have. That can be done now or nearer renewal time if there is no report back.

So it is over to the supporters now, holding Celtic to account either via CST or individually is in supporters hands where it always is..

Auldheid
December 14, 2020 9:07 pm

Angel Gabriel
Today’s AGM just confirms what a pal of my bhoy told me 3 /4 years ago.
My folks helped feed this lad and gave him help to pass his highers.
He was rarely fed at home and certainly got no help with his studies. His mum had a problem with drink and his step dad was a bully.
He’s never forgotten the help my folks gave him and is now a lawyer with the company who represents the SFA .

He was surprised 3/4 years ago when I asked him about Res12 .
Quite a debate followed.
He confirmed that the Res 12 guys were a complete pain in the arse to the SFA .

Disturbingly , he suggested there were (some) Board members at Celtic that thought the same

It sums up their response from day one .
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The 4 hard that too. It droves us on. 🙂

Auldheid
December 14, 2020 9:10 pm

jimthetim53
Bankier, meanwhile, spoke of the final vote against the controversial Resolution 11, formerly resolution 12.
He said: “The club remains of the view that an independent review by the Scottish FA is the best way forward, but that’s a matter the board can’t control without involving the police.” Daily Record.

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Sorted that 🙂

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 14, 2020 9:12 pm

AULDHEID 910

That’s a rather thought provoking amendment you made there!

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 9:14 pm

Auldheid LOL 🙂

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 9:21 pm

Frodsham Bhoy, Packy, watched Celebrity Antiques Road Trip earlier on BBC2. They were in Cheshire. Guess where they went shopping for antiques? Frodsham!

Puff puff
December 14, 2020 9:27 pm

The Botany ////
wee Mary Day from the Butney Maryhill
( the venice of Scotland) was what I greeted her with almost every time I saw her .
I wish I was a believer but I’m not so if I could ask all the bhoys who do a wee prayer please ..
This covid thing makes life difficult at times like this .HH

big packy
December 14, 2020 9:28 pm

JIM, you calliing me and frodsham bhoy old,.how dare you sir😎 jim to be honest frodsham does have a lot of old buildings and antique shops,👍

big packy
December 14, 2020 9:29 pm

JIM, name a famous boyband leader who was born in frodsham???

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 9:45 pm

Haven’t a clue!

big packy
December 14, 2020 9:46 pm

JIM ill throw it out to the blog

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 9:49 pm

Spit the Dog?

Margaret McGill
December 14, 2020 9:49 pm

Gary Barlow

big packy
December 14, 2020 9:55 pm

MAGS, well done cyber pint👍

Margaret McGill
December 14, 2020 9:57 pm

Why would a corporate dictatorship invite in a union?

Not happening.

big packy
December 14, 2020 9:58 pm

JIM,funny you should say that, bob carolgees spits owner i think had an antique shop in frodsham

jimthetim53
December 14, 2020 10:02 pm

It was/is a candles shop Packy
Frodsham bhoy told me.