Big week, Big call’s

Well it’s certainly taken quite a while but I do believe our title defence has finally begun in earnest.

 

There was always a real danger the team just would not click this year, simply stumble and stutter to the finish line weakly, but at last we have made the switches that have seen us shift up a gear.

 

That’s not to say we are perfect, but we certainly look better, much better, more like a proper Celtic team. The new breed have brought drive and desire with them, and the rest have responded.
We threaten to look like a good team at times, something many thought beyond us a month ago.

 

But,,

 

It would be foolish to believe all is rosey in the garden. For starters Odsonne Eduoard came back into the team, and once again failed to impress. It’s clear his reputation and price tag got him the nod over a hungry Klimala, who’s work ethic and natural instinct to play on the last defenders shoulder suits us much more than a deep drifting striker.

 

On the flip side the kid who slots in so well on Thursday night doesn’t even get a bench slot (unless we missed some injury news) which I’m struggling to file under great man management. Let’s hope Ewan is understanding but clearly Lenny isnt picking some players on current form.

 

The big concern is the news this group might be split up for the final to accommodate those who got the club there. This is not the news the fans want to hear.

 

For starters, moving to what many consider a weakened team would lessen the odds of lifting the cup, which may be our only real shot at success this year.
Publicly announcing these intentions was not the smartest thing to do either.
The Jambos will have loved that tipoff.

 

Then for what can be considered the look new side, they have the chance to go on and win the biggest game they have lined out for yet, plus the chance for three wins on the trot in what feels like forever, and then theres the shot at glory these special events offers.

 

While some may realise they didn’t play their part in the path there, they can fully play their part in sealing the victory, something just as important.

 

It’s conjecture but would lifting some silverware not give the new bhoys some much needed unity?
A real shot in the arm?
I can’t see how winning your place on merit then losing it on history will impress.

 

Most are in the game for medals, so winning them should really lift confidence in the camp. With that in mind should our new bhoys play and lose then perhaps this new found momentum could disappear, but then again playing them drastically improves the chances of victory.

 

Should the replaced be given starting berths only a victory would suffice, for defeat would inevitably see the place screamed down with those yelling why did you change it.

 

Then should the replaced go onto claim the Cup, presuming they come in only for the final based on getting the team there,we have the scenario of dropping cup winners which doesn’t make much sense. Many managers would stick with a group that just won building on that feel good factor they’ve had all week.

 

Will Neil set aside everything after the final? The last thing we want is Broony lifting a cup convincing Lenny he’s still got it. Likewise Rogic, Bitton, El Hamed.
Those who can be seen as yesterday’s men could actually rest assured if they see their replacements winning cup finals. They could all then see the transition in progress and rest assured their job had been done, time for others now.
Coming into the team and losing would be a terrible end to their spells, there’s always that risk. The last hoorah for the senior players going terribly wrong would be so very typical 2020.

 

Will young Hazard drop out as helping the side to silverware this young and so soon after breaking through may just make the lad? And let’s say Barkas does come in this once, would that really change things long term?
I can’t imagine that would kick start his settling down, give him the necessary confidence our keeper should have, or stall what is looking like a summer return to the continent.
I can’t see the benefits of a single game recall in his case if we are moving on with someone else.
The winners medal should help whoever is number one between the sticks settle and gain belief. Right now that’s the young Ulsterman. There’s no need to complicate things by switching him in and out.

 

Neil has really dug himself into a hole with those comments. He was beginning to take himself out of the spotlight, letting his players do the talking, but is in danger of helping good work unravel. Picking players on sentiment now when we have found rhythm, will only bring more doubts over his job suitability.
This could be the last big call Neil is remembered for so he will want to get it right, but the head should rule the heart on this occasion.
Frazer Foster won us the last cup final, sentiments should not run the risk of losing us this one.

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big packy
December 14, 2020 10:06 pm

JIM, your right a candle shop, wee joan has been in it. anyway dr finlays casebook is just starting on stv 4, so i will bid you all GNAGB,H.H.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 14, 2020 10:06 pm

MAGS

Usually it happens after a strike.

Frodshambhoy
December 14, 2020 10:12 pm

Jim/Big Packy

Couldn’t find the Road Trip episode on BBC 2.
When they say Frodsham they usually mean Lady Hayes which is a bit out of town but has a few antique shops. Also has a ex pet crematorium. Don’t think there is any connection.
Bob Carlogees had a candle shop there until a couple of years ago.
Hope link works 🤞
 
https://i.imgur.com/4ggOUH0.jpg

Margaret McGill
December 14, 2020 10:15 pm

BMCUWP
This lot would rather burn it than give away one iota or one penny strike no strike, demonstrations or no demonstrations. The only solution is to not give them your money but that’s already been risk analyzed by the PLC and too many green Huns just want to fuck the Huns who shouldn’t even exist. In fact some are on here.

Mike in Toronto
December 14, 2020 10:15 pm

Well guys…. after today’s AGM, I would say that October 31, 2012 was the day that Rangers were liquidated, and December 14, 2020 was the day that the Celtic I believed in finally died.

Friesdorfer
December 14, 2020 10:18 pm

Auldheid
As you know, and we have discussed separately, I believe that words matter:

“(WILL ENGAGE) WITH THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES AS APPROPRIATE IN THE INTERSTS OF THE COMPANY PROVIDING AN UPDATE WHEN POSSIBLE”

Not one word there gives me any confidence that any action is likely this century.

AS APPROPRIATE…WHEN POSSIBLE

I wouldn’t trust any of the Board as far as I could throw them

Let’s hope the CST take up the cudgels and you and your fellow Resers (your abbreviation) can take a well earned step back. Thank you once again very sincerely.

HH

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 14, 2020 10:28 pm

MAGS

It might not be an all out strike,but I reckon there will be enough to make a difference.

Frodshambhoy
December 14, 2020 10:33 pm

Oops
I always seem to be miles behind.

In keeping with big Packy this is a true story.

Bob Carlogees drinks in my local.
SAINT STIVS Posted a link to the CSC photo on CQN ages ago and I said I would ask Bob C if he knew anything about it if pubs ever opened again. I’ve been in a few times since but no sign of Bob C. Was in the pub tonight, for a substantial meal of course, so I asked the barman if Bob C had been in recently. Barman told me that Bob C had not been in due to health issues and Covid worries.
I showed barman the photo. Barman said he (barman – not Bob C) was “a Rangers fan” so he knew nothing about the photo.
I asked him who he supported now that Rangers were dead. Oh dear! Didn’t go down well so might not get a chance to go back to look for Mr Carlogees.

I think the CSC banner was to do with Spit the dog after El Hadji Diouf spat at Celtic fans.

Mike in Toronto
December 14, 2020 10:36 pm

Agree with Friesdorfer … those words pretty much mean they have to do, and are going to do, nothing….and those words wouldn’t be there unless they were planning to do …. you guessed it … nothing.

Given that Celtic decided to get into bed with Rangers, perhaps it is fitting that Ian Archer’s words, once spoken about Celtic’s partner, now apply equally to Celtic: a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace.

Auldheid
December 14, 2020 10:37 pm

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
AULDHEID 911

That’s a rather thought provoking amendment you made there!
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Indeed. going to the police was in the original draft Res that preceded the Statement and Celtic wanted it removed in spite of having legal opinion fraud had occurred in 2011 and an HMRC letter that justified pursuit of the wee tax bill because Rangers had acted in a fraudulent or negligent manner.

Celtic know OK but think it not in The Company’s interests to do that. The requisitioners let it drop because the did not trust the police would do anything if the requisitioners alone took the case to the police, with no support from Celtic.

What is interesting is that at no point have Celtic denied the licence was fraudulently granted nor indeed that no overdue payable existed. If they have advice to show that, let them produce it. They have had 7 years.

Auldheid
December 14, 2020 10:45 pm

Mike in Toronto
Agree with Friesdorfer … those words pretty much mean they have to do, and are going to do, nothing….and those words wouldn’t be there unless they were planning to do …. you guessed it … nothing.

Given that Celtic decided to get into bed with Rangers, perhaps it is fitting that Ian Archer’s words, once spoken about Celtic’s partner, now apply equally to Celtic: a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace.
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They will only do nothing if the support allow it. So who is at fault? The Board or the support? They are depending on Friesdorfer’s interpretation (not him personally of course) getting them off the hook.

Being lied to? Doesn’t matter. Don’t trust the Board? Doesn’t matter. All that matters is watching Celtic, regardless of the circumstances. That is possibly true of the many, the ones that don’t care until results go pear shaped and don’t make connection between how Celtic are run and the symptoms of it on the park

If it doesn’t matter to the support it certainly will not matter to The Board.

voguepunter
December 14, 2020 10:47 pm

Frodshambhoy

The Bob Carolgees link,I believe it may relate to ‘Tim the dog’ (Spit’s Celtic cousin) who followed
the hoops home and away with his master in the 80s

Auldheid
December 14, 2020 10:56 pm

Friesdorfer
Auldheid
As you know, and we have discussed separately, I believe that words matter:

“(WILL ENGAGE) WITH THE RELEVANT AUTHORITIES AS APPROPRIATE IN THE INTERSTS OF THE COMPANY PROVIDING AN UPDATE WHEN POSSIBLE”

Not one word there gives me any confidence that any action is likely this century.

AS APPROPRIATE…WHEN POSSIBLE

I wouldn’t trust any of the Board as far as I could throw them

Let’s hope the CST take up the cudgels and you and your fellow Resers (your abbreviation) can take a well earned step back. Thank you once again very sincerely.

HH
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I get that, we all did when we saw Celtic’s response on AGM notice and our mistrust has been borne out in Celtic’s reply that there will be no timetable. That was not in original statement and the failure to add it today tells us all we need to know.

However as far as Res12 goes they changed position in even stating what they did say and as I’ve suggested its over to the support to make them do what they said.

In Bankiers AGM response about PL doing what is right in the Company’s interest that must including lying not just at last AGM but since 2012 pretending to Celtic supporters they were surprised at SFA and sending letters that produced no results as opposed to presenting evidence that would have changed the narrative Celtic supporters have had to endure since 2012.

Friesdorfer
December 14, 2020 11:02 pm

Auldheid
I think the Board are relying on their default 99% of the block vote to get them off the hook, rather than my interpretation. Agree that it is up to supporters to change that, potentially via the CST, by bringing to bear influence through numbers (members) whether shareholders or not, and applying collective financial pressure. Or, alternatively, legal action for malfeasance…
HH

CaltonTongues
December 14, 2020 11:03 pm

voguepunter,

Correct, was a mate of mine had it. The dug was called Tim The Dog.

Had its own passport and everything.

Coming thru customs at Dover once and we were asked if we had anything to declare and my mate had put shaving foam on the dugs mouth and said ‘Aye. I think my dugs got rabies.’ Place was in uproar.

True story 😁

HH

Mike in Toronto
December 14, 2020 11:04 pm

Auldheid

Sadly, you are not going to get an argument from me on that one.

Frodshambhoy
December 14, 2020 11:08 pm

voguepunter
Would be good to know if Bob Carlogees was aware of any Celtic connection. Will ask him if I see him in his usual seat at the bar.

Someone on CQN mentioned the El Haj Diouf thing and it made sense.

Auldheid
December 14, 2020 11:10 pm

Mike in Toronto
Auldheid

I know you must be disappointed in, but not surprised by, today’s AGM. I can only imagine the amount of time you guys have invested in this endeavour, and I wanted to express my thanks for your efforts.

By addressing this to you, I do not mean to down play the efforts of the other three, but I dont see BRTH post much anymore, for example, so I hope that someone will pass along my thanks to all of them.

On a personal level, I will say that one of the things that I have most admired is your willingness to see the good and to remain positive. As someone who deals with the sort of thing you have been dealing with, I know how difficult that can be. I could do with taking some pointers from you in that respect (and I do try to take on what you have written… I had put away my copy of the Prophet some time ago, but your notes encouraged me to go back and give it another read!).

Although you may have been let down by the Club, you should be proud of your efforts and accomplishments.

I would like to think that there would be some recognition of the work you guys have done. Hopefully, in time, something collective and more permanent can be arranged.

For now, as a token of my respect and gratitude, and in keeping with the tone you have set on CQN and on here, I have made a donation to Mary’s Meals.

Much respect,.
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MIT

I see my main if hidden task as making people think about what they think and when I see a post like yours, I think I’ve done my real job, so I really appreciate reading what you say.

All the Celtic stuff is just camouflage and now I’ll need a new set. 🙂 but on that theme.

I said something on e mail today that I was told in reply filled the recipient with joy.

It doesn’t get any better than two affirmations in one day and thank you again.

Auldheid
December 14, 2020 11:12 pm

Friesdorfer
Auldheid
I think the Board are relying on their default 99% of the block vote to get them off the hook, rather than my interpretation. Agree that it is up to supporters to change that, potentially via the CST, by bringing to bear influence through numbers (members) whether shareholders or not, and applying collective financial pressure. Or, alternatively, legal action for malfeasance…
HH
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If the CST takeover there are funds pledged as you know to go legal but it has to be under their auspices..

The Real McCoy
December 14, 2020 11:59 pm

Evening All .
Auldheid , you have my unstinting admiration and support. Thank You Sir 🙏🏻
Magua, enjoyed your summation of our Big Cup exploits and can confirm my attendance at all our home games.
AC Milan I think John and Big Billy messed up a throw in and allowed Prati to score.
Feyenoord final debacle after the Leeds heroics.
Dixie missing his penalty after being perfect in training.
Spit the Dog impersonation when mentioning the Animals of Madrid ( hacch put)
One thing that seems to be misunderstood is our participation as Champions in 67/68.
We never even reached the first round proper.
We had to ( eventually) play Dynamo Kiev in a preliminary qualifier.
I think it arose because of an odd number of teams and reluctance to play the Russian champs.?
UEFA website even has that wrong.

No wonder there was a reluctance for teams to play in Russia. Celtic had been drawn against Kiev in the previous season’s Cup Winners Cup.
Russia ( Ukraine) in winter 🥶

“That was the second time in two years that we had met Dinamo Kiev in European competition, the previous occasion being in the Cup-Winners’ Cup of 1965-66. It was, though, the first time that we had played them in Kiev, as due to the severe weather in the
Ukraine in January 1966, the venue for the match had been transferred to sunny Tbilisi on the Black Sea.” ( Jim Craig)

1966-01-26: Dinamo Kiev 1-1 Celtic, ECWC –

The game was played in the Georgian city of Tbilisi as Kiev was still snow bound in January.
Celtic win 4-1 on aggregate.
Politics took hold of Celtic’s first visit to the Soviet Union. This game was due to be played on January 20 but the Soviet Union authorities refused to give Aer Lingus, the Irish national airline with whom Celtic had chartered, permission to fly directly to Tblisi and wanted them to change at Moscow as Ireland had no diplomatic relations with the Soviet Union and the Soviet Union had no diplomats in Dublin. Celtic secretary Desmond White informed UEFA that because of this Celtic would not travel and the game was postponed. UEFA then rearranged the game for 26 January and permission was eventually granted for Celtic to travel via Vienna and Istanbul en route to Tblisi. This was then rescinded with the flight having to go through Moscow. It took 31 hours of travelling for the team to arrive in the Georgian capital.
The Celtic travelling party was the team that played plus John Fallon, Ian Young, Charlie Gallacher, Bobby Lennox, Bertie Auld and Jim Brogan.
Celtic packed a larder of food to travel with for the first time.
Bobby Murdoch, who had picked up a knee knock in the weekend game against Motherwell was in doubt. As the rest of the party trained Murdoch received intensive physio on his knee.
Celtic also had travel difficulties on the route back and were diverted to Sweden. In Bomma airport in Stockholm their plane failed mechanically at take off leading to false rumours of a Munich style disaster back in Glasgow. The team did not arrive back in Glasgow until early hours of Friday morning and Jock Stein took team back to Parkhead for a work out at 11pm before they could go home and 500 fans turned up to watch !

I always remember relating our horrible fate of being the only Winners of The European Cup to not qualify to play in the First Round the following season.
Until, of course, Sir Minty’s partner-in-crime Bernard Tapie was discovered to have been bribing other teams and Marseille were banned from competing in Europe.(1993).

Once again thank you Magua for your recollections.

Margaret McGill
December 15, 2020 12:51 am

That small window in the 20th century where Celtic became legend is long gone never to return. The current Celtic PLC, or as we colloquially refer to them as the current custodians, will NEVER do the right thing.
EVER
If youre in the local asbestos business and the locals swear on the the benefits of asbestos and believe corporate rubbish then you get the mesothelioma you deserve

Mahe
December 15, 2020 4:02 am