Hazard Pay

All footballers up north deserve it for having to put up with additional occupational risks in the form of bent bigotted referees, but that’s not the type of hazard pay Im writing about today.
The news that we will tie down our new keeper long term and on much improved terms is music to my ears.

 

Not only is he a fellow Ulsterman, a very fertile breeding ground with regards to Glasgow Celtic, but he has the raw ingredients to go far in the game.
For starters at 6’6” he has the right size for a keeper, at 22 he has the world at his feet, plus he has displayed a tendency to be vocal and brave in his box, something so very missing under our Greek keeper.

 

Although hard to miss I must tip my hat to whoever discovered and initially signed the bhoy, and now Stevie Woods has a proper challenge on his hands.
His task is not only to turn this kid into our long term keeper, but to ensure he fulfills his potential.

 

Neil and Stevie did one hell of a job on big Lurch in this regard, stated by Lenny to be one of his biggest achievements. They took him from Newcastle reserves to being the England keeper, which all can rightly be proud of, so no wonder it hurt getting turned down for a subs bench.

 

The challenge is to repeat that with Conor now, but then keep him once matured. Northern Ireland is far from blessed with great keepers, and I dont rate the Republics that highly either. Being number one at Celtic would more or less guarantee he is selected for one of the national team’s, he has chosen the right team in that respect.

 

Considering he broke through younger than Frazer, is an actual Celtic fan, and stands just an inch smaller than Lurch, the potential is clearly there to surpass the Englishman. In fact at his age in possession of the jersey, there’s not many goalie records he couldn’t smash with us given time. And time being on his side, plus being young enough to eradicate the flaws, it really is no exaggeration stating he could make that jersey his for the next decade. That should be his aim.

 

However, much credit must go to Lenny for actually throwing him in between the sticks. Unlike KT and David Marshall, there was no shortage of available bodies, just a shortage of competency. Its nice to stumble upon someone sure, but that points to a blindness to potential.
In deciding to forget the pricetag and experience under the belt of not one but two others in order to give Conor the nod, Neil took a very brave decision that could well have backfired. The fact he wasn’t forced into this decision, but felt strong enough to make the call and follow his heart bodes well for us all.

 

At a mere 22 years young, this weekend offers the opportunity of a dream start to his Celtic career. To not only break into the team, to not only sign a new bumper contract, but to start collecting winners medals all in the space of one month, why that would be very very special indeed. Can’t think of a better start to be honest, hopefully cementing a lifelong love affair.
As you can probably tell, I would start him.
And tell him go break Hearts Conor.

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Sol Kitts
December 16, 2020 10:15 pm

Big Packy
I went there once with BMCUWP, and by the time we got out of the pub Love Street was almost closed. 😎😎🍺🥃

Puff puff
December 16, 2020 10:17 pm

Nana .. does that mean the huns have won feck all ??

McCaff
December 16, 2020 10:19 pm

Still nowt, Puff, still nowt!! 🤣🤣🤣

big packy
December 16, 2020 10:20 pm

MIKE / SOL 😍👍

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 10:20 pm

SOLKITT

Ah,the day of the famous Boys Gate!

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 10:21 pm

Congratulations to St Mirren. What a result!

No doubt the papers will be telling us all what a great result it is for Scottish Football.

CaltonTongues
December 16, 2020 10:24 pm

Well that was a surprise for some….

Exterminate: https://postimg.cc/yDQ7JMnM

😪😪😪😪: https://postimg.cc/QFt3r6s0

And, finally for now: https://postimg.cc/sBGCMvMW

HH

Mike in Toronto
December 16, 2020 10:27 pm

Apparently, the residents of Mar a Lago have advised Trump that they don’t want him to move there after he gets kicked out of the White House.

And, apparently, when he converted MaL into a Club, he agreed that he would not reside there for more than 21 days per year.

He likes golf courses in Scotland, so, maybe you guys can take him for a while….

🙂

Friesdorfer
December 16, 2020 10:35 pm

Calton
Brilliant photos…🤣🤣

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 10:37 pm

CALTONTONGUES

Ah,diddums…

Frodshambhoy
December 16, 2020 10:37 pm

Big Packy
I enjoyed the result but didn’t watch it. I don’t watch them at all. Even when they play us I only keep one eye open.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 10:38 pm

MIKEINTORONTO

I reckon he will head somewhere without an extradition treaty.

CaltonTongues
December 16, 2020 10:43 pm

Last one for tonight….

Social Distancing Hun Style: https://postimg.cc/5Hr7F3h9

HH

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 10:50 pm

CALTONTONGUES

Best yet!

Bada Bing
December 16, 2020 10:52 pm

You’ve never heard a more disappointed ‘St Mirren ‘ fan than Steven Thomson…

Bada Bing
December 16, 2020 10:54 pm

Is it true Tavernier tried to take the St Mirren penalty?

Noel Skytrot
December 16, 2020 10:54 pm

Get it right round you all, ya filthy animals. Invincible my Fenian arse.

Magua
December 16, 2020 10:54 pm

Big Packy

I hear tell of a scurrilous rumour, that in 1987 when the Buddies won the cup, that the beer prices were dropped to 1959 prices. The Paisley Buddies were of course, still waiting for the happy hour… at 1959 prices, when they had previously won the cup.

I of course, absolve the the Bhoys from the Wig and Pen pub…are ye still going strong?

CaltonTongues
December 16, 2020 10:56 pm

bada bing1,

Put Radio Scotland on after FT and him and the Bird presenting sounded gutted.

Maybe still trying to get the BEEB back into Snake Mountain.

HH

Chairbhoy
December 16, 2020 11:03 pm

Auldheid @ 9:48 pm,

Thanks for the clarification. There were live updates of the AGM on CQN and also other sources, that must be where I mixed up the quotes.

Still, as you say, that slackness in response works both ways and it can be used to make the Board accountable.

Who have you being engaging with?

What is the update?

Seen your link to Celticnoise, that was interesting… the implications with the UEFA Integrity Officer.

March 2011 was when the Chickens came home to roost for Oldco Rangers – “potential fraud”… the idea that Associations, Leagues, inquiries, commissions, agreements, stakeholders and Clubs have ignored this or worse suppressed it means that huge elephant in the room is alive and kicking.

I’ve always had my suspicions that the original SFA LNS Inquiry had more in it in this regard than was recognised. Is there anyway to get your hands on that report? I’m sure it could be of interest to a “Integrity Officer”. Remember it was presented to the SFA Board and that too was suppressed.

Hail Hail

Auldheid
December 16, 2020 11:10 pm

Chairbhoy

On the LNS Commission: Not only was the Commission itself a sham to keep some form of Rangers playing in Scottish football , Celtic’s apparent unhappiness was a sham too.

The Judicial Review that CQN took the lead on that excluded the UEFA licence 2011 from its remit was imo a sham. It gave the appearance given the close links between CQN and Celtic, that Celtic were opposed but behind the scenes when the push came to a shove , they went into reverse (which also happened in May 2018 re REs12 – remember CQN stopped highlighting it around then- which reminds me of a point to make about whatever David Lowe did for Rangers that I’ll come back to later ).

The narrative if I can keep it short but it is fact based is that

1, Eric Riley absented himself from the follow up meeting when SPL were deciding to appeal LNS or not. Not all SPL Board members were happy when Decision published, the Aberdeen man was incredulous, so the SPL Board asked some questions of their lawyer and met by tele conference a week later to decide. Riley was incommunicado when decision not to appeal was taken which gives him plausible deniability.
2. Starting in Feb 2014 Scottish Football Monitor contributors sent the SPL Board including Riley evidence that could not have been provided to the SPL lawyers who commissioned LNS. That evidence included the De Boer indemnity of Aug 2000 which immediately asked questions why 23 Nov not July 1999 was the start date for investigating but of greater significance was the failure to provide HMRC letters of Feb and May 2011 that justified collecting the tax due because

a) the DOS ebts were already unlawful as result of an FTT Decision in Oct 2010 yet LNS treated them as lawful like the BTC ebts were at that time in 2013.
b) the HMRC correspondence accused Rangers of fraudulent or negligent behaviour and provided evidence of dishonesty as in concealing existence of side letters for Flo and De Boer in 2005 when HMRC asked for them. At that time Rangers had 29 side letters in their files relating to the BTC ebts.

The LNS decision was based on a) all clubs being able to use ebts as they were lawful , but the DOS type that were used from Aug 2000 weren’t and he had no power to overrule the FTT and b) “there was no question of dishonesty, corporate or individual” , which the HMRC correspondence refutes.

Riley received the documents because it was mentioned during one of the REs12 meetings that he had.

The SPL eventually passed the correspondence to the SFA but you know the rest. The SFA QC found a way to justify ignoring the Supreme Court decision BTC ebts were unlawful that you refer to but I do wonder if he ever saw the documentation SPL had in 2014. I think there might be a dismissive reference to it in his statement.

It gets worse: In 2017 after CW trial SPFL (fronting for Celtic) asked SFA to review LNS and UEFA Licence 2011. The latter became the as yet unfinished and incomplete non compliance charge (incomplete in that it made no reference to the grant period, something Celtic were alerted immediately when charges were made and there is a strong possibility the structure of the 5 Way prevented anything bar the ebts usage being investigated as the Agreement only address acts by Craig Whyte from May 2011.
f my interpretation is correct then knowingly or unknowingly the 5 Way provided a pardon for the 2011 fraud before CW took over – and we know which club accepted it.

It gets worser 🙂

In refusing to revisit LNS in Sept 2017 Regan suggest to SPFL (fronting for Celtic) that they should approach LNS with the testimony of SDM at the CW trial were SDM spoke of the competitive advantage ebts offered when attracting players.

It was a bite your hands off offer if Celtic/SPFL were not playing a game of shams.

In Jan 2018 PL received an e mail pointing to the Regan offer and enclosing the HMRC correspondence to take to LNS as well as the SDM CW testimony and had SPFL/Celtic not been playing a game of shams they could have added SDM’s testimony to the FTT in 2010/11.

The above looks like tin foil stuff from that Q Mob that set fake news running but there is enough documentation to support the narrative.

The role Scottish Football Monitor played in 2014 can be read from

https://docs.google.com/document/d/0B6uWzxhblAt9dnVHSl9OU3RoWm8/edit

One contributor was a lawyer who saw the implications of concealment without being led to them and was very helpful in challenging the SPL responses.

The full role Celtic played in the game of shams – in the Company’s interest of course – is in the oven.

Bada Bing
December 16, 2020 11:11 pm

That was the best day of the season for me ,surely the team will get a lift watching that…

Bada Bing
December 16, 2020 11:16 pm
Bada Bing
December 16, 2020 11:25 pm
Auldheid
December 16, 2020 11:26 pm

Chairbhoy

The LNS Report was published and here are quotes from it.

“While there is no question of dishonesty, individual or corporate, we nevertheless take the view that the nondisclosure must be regarded as deliberate, in the sense that a decision was taken that the sideletters need not be or should not be disclosed. ”

This allowed LNS to downgrade the “crime” to 10 years of administrtaive error for which a £250K fine was the sanction.

Just spotted this in it.

3117/2009. We shall discuss our approach to this evidence in the course of this decision. And we shall proceed on the basis of the facts which we hold to be established by the evidence before us, and on nothing else.

Nor is it a breach of SPL or SFA Rules for a club to arrange its affairs – within the law
– so as to minimise its tax liabilities. The Tax Tribunal has held (subject to appeal) that Oldco
was acting within the law in setting up and operating the EBT scheme. The SPL presented no
argument to challenge the decision of the majority of the Tax Tribunal and Mr McKenzie stated
expressly that for all purposes of this Commission’s Inquiry and Determination the SPL accepted
that decision as it stood, without regard to any possible appeal by HMRC. Accordingly we
proceed on the basis that the EBT arrangements were lawful. What we are concerned with is the
fact that the side-letters issued to the Specified Players, in the course of the operation of the EBT
scheme, were not disclosed to the SPL and the SFA as required by their respective Rules.

[35] As we have said, a controlling interest in Oldco was held by David Murray through the
medium of Murray MHL Limited, part of the Murray Group of companies. Murray Group
Management Limited (MGM) provided management services to the companies of the Murray
Group. By deed dated 20 April 2001 MGM set up the Murray Group Management
Remuneration Trust (the MGMRT). (We note that the MGMRT was preceded by the Rangers
Employee Benefit Trust, but we are not aware that they were different trusts. We shall treat
them as a continuous trust, which we shall refer to throughout as the MGMRT.) Thereafter,

My comment: Of course you were unaware, NAEBODY TELT YE (although even then I have suspicions based on an earlier meeting between Regan and LNS on the Judicial Panel charges against CW where CW was NOT charged with non payment of the wee tax bill but was for non payment of VAT and PAYE. Did Regan not mention that to LNS in Feb 2012 when they met?

A game of shams by a shower of rouges .

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 11:26 pm

BADABING

I have to congratulate Boyd there-simply avoiding a FUXAKE!!!! in that situation couldn’t have been easy.

Bada Bing
December 16, 2020 11:28 pm

McGregor sold another one,not a word said, Craigen was an absolute embarrassment on Premier Sports BTW

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 11:29 pm

AULDHEID

Since the FTT decision was at the time subject to appeal,LNS was playing a bit fast and loose by declaring a punishment with no regard to it.

Auldheid
December 16, 2020 11:29 pm

Whilst I remember.

See this Celtic trait of suspicion because some one has some connection to Rangers in the past they are untrustworthy? Whilst natural it rips my knitting.

As you can tell from my posts, be that as it may, but they are more likely to stab you in the chest, which is better than being stabbed in the back by good Celtic men.

As you were.

Mike in Toronto
December 16, 2020 11:31 pm

BMCUWP

That’s why I thought he might take up residence in Govan….laws don’t apply there… plus with his sense of entitlement, he would fit in well there. Ibrox a Largo.

Auldheid
December 16, 2020 11:38 pm

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
AULDHEID

Since the FTT decision was at the time subject to appeal,LNS was playing a bit fast and loose by declaring a punishment with no regard to it.

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The rush to use improperly registered players to remove points was premature and I said so on CQN along with The Battered Bunnett at the time.

Our joint point was to let the FTT appeal process run its course.

Had that been done LNS could not have ruled as he did. In fact it probably wouldn’t have need a Commission.

Tin foil hat on. Somebody must have thought of the improperly registered player line of attack, which turned out very useful in that it meant investigating a lesser crime than failing to act in good faith to fellow member clubs.

What would have been the sanction had that been the basis of any charges and Rangers found guilty? Removal of titles for a start.

Think about it.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 11:38 pm

AULDHEID 1129

Boom boom!

Mike in Toronto
December 16, 2020 11:39 pm

Auldheid

We are judged by the company we keep; If someone associates him or herself with a bigoted institution (which, to my mind, would include all Sevconians), they are by definition untrustworthy.

But I would agree with your point about the Celtic Board being no better… in fact, people that sell out their own kind may be the most despicable of all.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 11:40 pm

AULDHEID

They probably couldn’t remove the titles due to the 5WA. So some smart thinking needed to be done.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 11:41 pm

MIKEINTORONTO

Aye,but all those orange jumpsuits would give him nightmares.

Auldheid
December 16, 2020 11:42 pm

When the Saints went marching in you could hear my YASS in Toronto.

I had up it up to the eyeballs with just how great and invincible Rangers were on the media.

Just suddenly their confidence has been dented and don’t tell me St Mirren would have got that penalty had Dallas been in charge.

Some of our referees are worth a 7 point lead to them. I would say 13 but that would be to deny how poor we have been.

jayhawk
December 16, 2020 11:44 pm

Forgive my absence….Im in the laptop of the gods….My Grandson bounded down the stairs…crashed the living room door open”god he is his dad”.. The monkeys are oot….3. 2…… cue high thingmys….So the Treble is gone? really sky sport bbc.stv.??Gerrard OOT?/// Nah

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 11:51 pm

JAYHAWK

Aye,he’s been brought up well!

How’s trix?

jayhawk
December 16, 2020 11:51 pm

@Auldheid.P……Please forgive my stupid comments the last time i was on …You sir deserve the utmost respect.Apologies.

Auldheid
December 16, 2020 11:53 pm

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
AULDHEID

They probably couldn’t remove the titles due to the 5WA. So some smart thinking needed to be done.
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Actually no. The 5 Way called for an investigation into Rangers use of ebts and side letters. It was one of the reasons Doncaster wanted 5 Way accepted within 24 hours.

The smart thinking to prevent title stripping kicked in then but possibly even before. I think the points removal idea came out after Mark Daly’s Men Who Sold The Jerseys which did much to make the ebt use public. Id have to go over the sequence but I think it was broadcast before July 2012, which would have provided time to think of how to handle it.

It might just have been chance and Tims smelling blood rushing in ,but as I said incorrect player registration was the lesser charge.

Im not sure any Rangers could have been allowed to continue if found guilty of 10 years of cheating (not to mention compensation claims from clubs here and Europe.

The danger Rangers put Scottish football in was extraordinary and it might indeed be in the interests of all football “Companies” to keep it hidden.

Auldheid
December 16, 2020 11:54 pm

jayhawk
@Auldheid.P……Please forgive my stupid comments the last time i was on …You sir deserve the utmost respect.Apologies.

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What comments?

No don’t remind me, lol.

jayhawk
December 16, 2020 11:57 pm

Hi M.. Fine.. put my young bro in.law at rest on Sat…. 5 lairs up from my son.i felt like gettin pished but just went to bed…Woke up and played the 2 of thems fave vocalist Mr Plant 29 Palms…

jayhawk
December 16, 2020 11:58 pm

@Auldheid Thank you..

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 16, 2020 11:59 pm

AULDHEID

An education,as ever!

Auldheid
December 16, 2020 11:59 pm

Magua
Big Packy

I hear tell of a scurrilous rumour, that in 1987 when the Buddies won the cup, that the beer prices were dropped to 1959 prices. The Paisley Buddies were of course, still waiting for the happy hour… at 1959 prices, when they had previously won the cup.

I of course, absolve the the Bhoys from the Wig and Pen pub…are ye still going strong?

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I was at the 1959 semi final.

we lost 4 0 and Gerry Baker (Joe of Hibs brother) and Tommy Bryceland ran riot .

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 17, 2020 12:01 am
Angel Gabriel
December 17, 2020 12:03 am

Auldheid .
Thanks for the posts clarifying some details.
I’d forgotten they didn’t charge CW with non payment only the penalties.
One question.
Can you confirm that Campbell Ogilvie gave evidence at the LNS ?

On another matter. Bazza Ferguson should chuck his fitba predictions . Invincible my arse

Chairbhoy
December 17, 2020 12:11 am

Auldheid @ 11:10 pm,

Thank you – your coherence on these matters are astounding.

It has been a real eye opener and what a tangled web we weave doesn’t get close to it. But the disappointment of the “well heeled” Celts on CQN and the Judicial Review really smarts.

We had a head of steam then, our dander up for righting justice denied – a real appetite to crowd fund a way forward, it dampened and then drowned by the “well heeled” Celts sham.

It must have been our enemies’, friends’, enemies’, pal, whot done it!!

Hail Hail

jayhawk
December 17, 2020 12:14 am

Oh M Not at all… Thank you so much…mabye a few of the boys will hear it for the first time? Lovely Plant vocals.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
December 17, 2020 12:25 am

JAYHAWK

Canny beat a bit of Percy Plant before bed time.