Ten Green Bottles

Morning,all.

 

After a tumultuous and fractured start to the season,it was good to see us stringing a couple of victories together over the last week. Of course,one was in the dead rubber of our final Europa League group game so it hardly counts-well,it did to Lille who forfeited the place at the top of the table-while the other was a routine affair against Kilmarnock at home.

 

However there is no such thing as a routine affair this season for our Bhoys,and it was precluded by the first pre-match demonstration against the current board. Well organised by The Celtic Supporters Trust,it went off peaceably enough,with those in attendance making their feelings plain about the board while still showing their support for the team as they disembarked from the bus.

 

SACK THE BOARD,BACK THE TEAM!

 

Neil Lennon threw us a curveball after the match by suggesting that the youngsters who have stepped into the breach for our two successes wouldn’t be in line to hold on to the shirt for the Cup Final on Sunday,hinting that places would be available for those who got us there in the first place. This flies in the face of logic somewhat,as those are some of the players who have let us-and him!-down so badly thus far. Sure,there’s a time for loyalty,but that loyalty should be aimed at the players who have stepped up to the breach and given everyone a lift by their performances.

 

For instance,Barkas was dropped for a reason. He was replaced by Bain-also dropped for a reason. This can also be said about the likes of Elhamed,Bitton,Brown,Christie,and maybe a couple of others. In fact,it could be argued that a few other players have been lucky to retain their positions in the side. If the reward for success,for playing well and digging your manager out of a hole,is to be dropped as soon as the scent of silverware looms,then that ranks for me as bad man-management.

 

Ask Ewan Henderson…

 

Neil will have to get this one right on Sunday as there will be nowhere for him to hide if he gets it wrong. No club anywhere has won four successive trebles before,and no-one has won four successive Scottish Cups. There is a lot riding on this one,not least a Merry Christmas for some of us Tims.

 

The following day brought us the AGM,which is the subject of the article’s title. If NL needs lessons in how to hide,he knows who to ask,and he knows how it is done. Hold events via Zoom and refuse to take any questions. This was the very definition of anodyne sterility,and the main talking points were some creative or duplicitous accounting from Lawwell over transfer spend between June 2019 and October 2020 and the effectively unanimous re-election of our longstanding board members.

 

Some of these people have been around for so long in their position that they will shortly qualify for long service awards,and as I’ve frequently pointed out,this is against the principles of good governance. However,there’s not a hope in hell of getting them deselected on the current method of Plc ownership so we are stuck with them. I remain hopeful that each of them will fall by the wayside,like the green bottles on the wall,or all at once in a resounding Humpty Dumpty crash. And the clear contempt in which Bankier and Lawwell hold the fans makes attempts to force this more likely to succeed. Bigger businesses than Celtic have made that mistake,and few of those in charge at the time found themselves in gainful employment afterwards. Anywhere. They should be more careful.

 

I had held out hopes that Lawwell would have announced his imminent departure at the meeting,especially as his name wasn’t on the list for reselection,but that hope was dashed. So it looks as though the fans will need to get out their catapults to bring down Goliath-and those green bottles sitting so invitingly on the wall. There are two main routes to achieve at least some progress in this regard,and indeed the two might align at a later date.

 

The first is the resurgent Celtic Supporters Trust. I know some of you have misgivings about them for various reasons,so all I will ask is that you do your own research on them,and if you aren’t happy with what you see then take it no further. But they are led by David Low and Jeanette Findlay,two renowned and successful Celtic supporters,and ably backed by more of the same. Although they have a current plan,it is not set in stone and is hopefully fluid as events move on. Much of that is via a share purchase scheme,for example,but with the numbers railed against us in that AGM,it will be a long road and a long time before it sees any fruition. That’s not to say that it is not the correct idea,and combining the numbers and the contributions gives us a chance of finally getting somewhere.

 

The second route is the dreaded Bhoycott. I have to admit to being very wary of taking this path as the danger is in damaging the club beyond repair-especially if the board pursue a scorched Earth policy as a result,selling anyone and anything that isn’t nailed down. Don’t put it past them,they have proven to be no lovers of the club which has richly rewarded them over the years,nor of the fans who provided the income to do so. I’m also aware that I would find it very difficult to give up my season ticket if I still lived back home,and the good times that accompany us every time we head to a match. Because of course it isn’t just about the football,is it? There’s a lot more to going to see Celtic than that…

 

But this lot don’t have and may never have had the emotional attachment to Celtic FC that we,the mere mortals in the stands or in the pubs,have. Their attachment is green,yes-but it is a purely financial one,with a heady addition of power. Monday has shown that they have no intention of relinquishing their grip on either,and I think the time has come for us to turn their weapon on themselves.

 

Start with the merchandising. It’s a shame,because Adidas have pulled out the stops for us and given us some clean sharp designs,but decisions have to be made. Then there is the big one,and coming soon to a mailbox near you. The Season Ticket reminders. This will be a very difficult decision for anyone who declines the renewal,and I’m aware that it doesn’t sit right that a non-holder should be asking others to do this. But in the absence of any better ideas-and many have been tried-I think we have to realise that sometimes the unpalatable option is the only one.

 

In addition,it may well be that the CST will hold an EGM on the subject and formally request their members and ALL Celtic supporters to do the same. My take is that the very real prospect of this happening will focus the thinking of our major shareholders,and I sincerely hope that it does. Let’s face it,nothing else has worked,has it? And there is,of course,the precedent of 2016 where the replacement of Ronny Della was ordered,and not only because of losing a match on penalties. It was those empty seats that were the main driver in that. And that was when the individual fans made their own minds up! Think of the effect that an organised and sanctioned boycott would have.

 

Is that the sound of bottles crashing that I hear?

 


Above article by BMCUWP

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Big Audio Dynamite

When you check last night’s fitba results at 5 in the morning 👀 🙏 Oh when the Saints …🎶 🏃

I see the Huns are now getting their strips out the same place we get my son’s u-14 strips ..hmmm, another court date for the diary?

You know your national sport is f@cked, when one set of fans bemoan the loss of a favourite referee before a ball has even been kicked.

I won’t be too bothered who is wearing the 11 Celtic tops come game’s end on Sunday, so long as the ribbons on the cup are Green & White, and another little bit of history is made, as no team has ever won 4 SCs in a row 🙂

Thetic

If we keep winning and they start losing a bocott is the last thing that will be successful.As soon as we beat Lille you could see attitudes change.There is a core that want what is right and honest in a fair contest to be our standard ,but many others only care about beating the Huns. Morelos red card is the first crack in their shield, come on Motherwell.

McCaf

Thetic…as simple as this statement may appear the suggestion of boycotting only appeared when we started ‘not winning’! Why boycott when you’re winning?

Morning all and Packy 🙂

Big Audio Dynamite

Hearts look way too strong for the first division and will probably run away with it.
They will also be in the habit of winning and banging in a few goals will only spread confidence.
Don’t need to remind anyone what can happen in one-off cup games …but, the thought of a Sunday game at Hampden with no fans there, and the team only beginning to get going, isn’t filling me with the joys of Christmas.
Oh, and what is likely to be a talking point regardless of the outcome, the men in black-yellow-orange 👀

Nevertheless,, 3-0 The Tic!! And another piece of history.

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On the subject of David Low and the CST,this from AULDHEID overnight…
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“The narrative re David Low’s arrival as CST President is that Fergus McCann not happy with the way the power at Celtic has ended up with two main shareholders, one of which a hedge fund so no emotional connection that DD can claim. It also makes us vulnerable to takeover/

So doing what was done similar to 94 to increase the number of shares held and encourage all the unsophisticated shareholders (a recognised term for those who made an emotional investment) to vote whether by proxy or as themselves was an approach to take.

The flaws are obvious as in how long and how many before before CST are in a position of strength?

However supporters can join and so increase CST member numbers and if those members pay into Celtic then they have buying power. It has always been there but has never been harnessed so join up. It is a democratic body with formal constitution so subject to change as it grow. Forget anyone on the Board, what is needed is power to change what is in the Company’s interests and just knowing what that is would be a start.

The logic that the only way supporters/shareholders can wield power by winning a vote is ok correct in theory but in practice not only is it a long way off it makes any resolution on any matter the Board oppose ineffective, well maybe not if any shareholder is daft enough to keep at it for 7 years.

So my remedy is keep using some income to buy up shares, use some of it for getting legal advice on for example shareholder rights and Director responsibilities, a route I would advise CST to do based on Res12 experience and use supporter buying power in a sensible manner if a cause is just (which Res12 was/is) to do the kind of thing I’ve suggested in response to McCaf but I see he was thinking of something different that I’ll respond to.”

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McCAFF

Boycotts have been mentioned for some considerable time,not least on here. And long before this season.

Chairbhoy

Good Lead Article BMCUWPs…

Great to see the re-surgence of the CST, which seems to have real focus and drive now. Jeanette Finlay definitely deserves kudos and credit for running a well set up, sound, supporters Trust with integrity, that solid foundation under David Low’s guidance and leadership is growing into an organisation to be reckoned with. We must back it and support it.

They organised a demo against the Board in very difficult circumstamces, I believe they could organise a meaningful and measured bhoycott.

The scorched earth threat I understand, it was a real and present danger for me, yet having seen this Board twitch with the banners, demos, correspondence and no doubt fall off in sales, it won’t come to that.

Meals on the table of the poor folk of Glasgow is undoubtedly important, yet representing your community with excellence and by example is also hugely important for a Club like no other.

So what if they did follow a scortched earth policy? I’d support a Celtic that is competing against the Aberdeens, Hibs and Hearts for Silver ware and European places, while the mighty Rangers run amok.

The 80’s were great, the 90’s were good but torturous at times, yet we came through bigger and stronger.

As you finely put it… “…Because of course it isn’t just about the football,is it? There’s a lot more to going to see Celtic than that

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Auldheid… what a marathon you ran yesterday, cap well and truly doth’d.

Yes, thanks for the links, that was exactly what I was talking about.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/08/11/whatever-happened-to-the-nimmo-smith-report-crosspost-from-the-scottish-football-monitor/amp/

Reading through there was no commitment to publish the report, just a sentence [in bold] that suggested it should be and would be…

“The report submitted by Lord Nimmo Smith, having been considered fully by the Board, highlights a number of other potential rule breaches by the club and its owner. The report will now be used as evidence and forwarded to a Judicial Panel for consideration and determination as per the protocol.

As such, the report’s contents will not be published at this time

Another one I fell for!? It’s the way they tell ’em, it’s no joke though.

Thanks again, your knowledge of this subject is immense…

They might regret asking you ghuys to provide the silver bullet, if someone in authuority really wants to pull the trigger on this, you can say – here, have this box of magazines.

Hail Hail

Big Audio Dynamite

Actually starting to like the idea of Broony and Soro playing together …I can see how that might work in certain games. When was the last time Broony had a proper DM beside him for any length of time? I’ve been saying for years the team needed more ball winners. Would mean Scott could conserve a bit more energy during games…just shuttling across in front of the defence, while Soro covers more ground in pursuit of the ball and runners.

Callum is never, and never will be, a defender (He is nervous receiving the ball in defensive areas). Think back to how good he was a couple of years back when he had freedom to attack forward spaces. He shone in a team filled with talent. For me, this has been a big part of why the team has been unbalanced, we just haven’t had enough ball winners in the middle of the park. Love Cal as a player, but he is being wasted where he is!

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McCaf

Bobby, perhaps they have but certainly not in the manner they are now…and as for anti-team/Manager/Club demonstrations you can’t tell me that the run of poor results wasn’t the catalyst for it! The Lille result got the team and Lenny off the hook on Sunday, it would’ve been a different demo had we not got that result.
My question was rhetorical really. There’s no way the fans’ reactions this season would have been so militant if we were in the The Rangers’ position and they in ours!

Angel Gabriel

Good lead article again Bobby .
Auldheid . Thanks again for your input last night.

On the article, one line , “it isn’t just about the football “.
So true. The train journey, a couple of scoops or something to eat in Coias . The company in the pub or at the table.
The after game choice of back to Ayrshire for MD ( more drink) or stay in Glasgow.
The chat, the laughs and bumping into familiar faces .

How hard is it to give that up , without even mentioning the game , the crowd , the buzz when we score ?

Then there’s the other point. Do I like to be taken as a mug ? That’s how it felt after the AGM . The same after the LNS verdict and numerous other hearings.

I’ve no doubt that Peter Lawwell wants the best for Celtic. Or most of the board. The problem is , it’s on their terms . Have any of the suits ever went into debt following Celtic ? Or had to fight your way out a threatening situation because you were suddenly in the wrong place at the wrong time , and Green was the predominant colour of your clothing ?
Or been treated differently in employment because the person you’re dealing with knows what school you went to ?
It all adds up to not backing down.
Honesty goes a long way.
Has the support or the Res12 guys or even the club been treated honestly?
No .
Giving up a season book is a big ask .
Expecting the club directors to challenge a bent game isn’t.

I reckon it’s the pub next season to watch the games from a dodgy stream. Just my feelings. HH

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We are currently running two games behind the huns in the league,which will increae to three after the weekend. Unbelievably,the League Cup semis on 23/24 Jan will see us drop another one behind as we are down to play St Mirren that day,with the huns at uninvolved Ross County.

Little doubt we will have the same for the final.

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ANGELGABRIEL

It’s a horrible position to be in,but I think it will happen for the reasons you state,even if it isn’t endorsed by,say,the CST. The board are entirely to blame for this as Celtic fans do NOT turn their backs on the club unless there is a bloody good reason.

And unfortunately,the board have given us any number of them to choose from.

McCaf

In addition to the reasons the board have given us the yet to be realised financial implications of Covid have yet to hit hardest! So along with the fitba reasons people will have possibly more pressing financial burdens to prioritise above STs. Further, if next season in any way threatens to be spectator-restricted again, how many people will be willing to fork out for sub-standard play and sub-standard Club-endorsed streams!

Noel Skytrot

So Tuff Gong was a keen Celtic follower according to his son. As a massive reggae fan this has brightened my day up.

SoulRebel CSC

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McCAFF

That is definitely true,and something that the board should be giving hard thought to. Their thinking may be that the fans coughed up this season,so why shouldn’t they do so next season? Equally,they may be thinking that boycotts have been mooted before but haven’t happened,so why should they now?

Weel,both happening at the same time might prove to be the catalyst,and IMO they should be going out of their way to respond to those concerns.

bada bing1

Hearing that the stand in ref,is a big Sevco fan…

McCaf

Any truth that last night’s referee, David Dickinson used to host an antiques show…
https://youtu.be/d6uVmDhJKVM

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McCAFF/McCAF

Have you decided to “eff off”?

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BADABING

He’ll be buying his own beer down the ludj for a while,then.

McCaf

Bobby, this has been a tough year for me financially. I’ve probably worked about 50% of my normal. Next year I’ve got plans for major works in the hoose and maybe change of car, all of which I’d kinda hoped would be at least started this year. So at the moment I’m absolutely unsure of what will happen next year but as is always the case I find it really hard to give up my season book! It might be that I’ve finally got to listen to the missus!! 😳

Friesdorfer

McCaff, ffs I thought you were going to say “give up the missus…” 😉😉🤣🤣

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McCAFF

Previously when people have told me that they are giving up their ticket,I’ve tried to talk them out of it. With a high success rate,I might add. Although the article today is oriented at a boycott,I won’t be criticising anyone who can’t bring themselves to do it. If you fall into that category,then hopefully your work situation will have improved sufficiently in time for the tickets to be renewed.

Either way,I hope your work situation improves!

McCaf

Bobby, thanks, it’s busy now but the work I missed out on during lockdown has definitely impacted.
Friesdorfer…I wish mate!! 🤣🤣🤣

Garry

BMCUW
I think that Neil Lennon was copying the words of his namesake John, in his Killie post match press conference. Giving the Hearts manager and SMSM nothing.

https://g.co/kgs/GeA4C1

McCaf

Bobby, another thing is that I’ve always had the season ticket so it’s an expected expense so you just get it regardless! My previous point was that given the shit we’ve watched this season and the times I’ve had to use the VST the stream has been garbage people might decide it is a foregoable (made up word!) luxury. I had no qualms whatsoever about renewing, and bearing in mind at renewal time there was some chat about being able to get back into stadia around October time, if this year is to be repeated I’ll seriously consider whether or not to renew.

McCaf

Hi Garry, I hope you’re well mate! Food supplies are plentiful in the shops at the moment… cheers for that!😉🤣
Congratulations to your nephew last night! Made my fitba season so far!! 👏👏👏

Garry

BMCUW
Thanks for that link. Just a pity it was to the Daily Ranger. 😜
Big Jamesgang and I, are both members of the Robert Nesta Marley CSC. 🍀💚👌

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I know that defeating this board and the shareholding set up seems like an insurmountable task,but others have faced bigger obstacles and overcome them.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/17/guy-reid-bailey-the-man-who-sparked-the-bristol-bus-boycott-and-then-fought-to-desegregate-housing

Garry

McCaff
Thanks mate. Marcus is a huge Celtic fan, still has his Celtic season ticket. My sister opened her Christmas Prosecco last night. There was dancing in a house up Kilbowie 💪😊

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GARRY

Sometimes there isn’t the option for a link from elsewhere! Was talking to our wee pal from Partick the other night. She’s in fine form,all things considered,and choking for a night out…

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GARRY

I was at Marcus’ debut,and was delighted for him last night. Judging by the names of some of his team-mates,he’s in good Tim company there.

McCaf

Garry, I remembered you telling me about him and your sister. A fully deserved celebration, I think! I had to laugh at Big Boydy last night… It looks like St Mirren have stolen it, they e scored in injury time! FFS they outfought them last night!! Delighted for Jim Goodwin, too. He says Ice never been sent off for celebrating a victory!! Sums up what were up against with the officials!!
HH

McCaf

This might have been posted last night but if you’ve not seen it…
https://mobile.twitter.com/stengo7/status/1339331400902848512?prefetchtimestamp=1608160858782

bada bing1
Garry

BMCUW
Celtic v Rennes. Marcus got to wear his beloved hoops for his team. Jim Goodwin has built a good wee team of Tims in Paisley. Excellent coach and man, according to Marcus. 👍

Chairbhoy

Big Audio Dynamite,

Some very interesting comments, we seem to be underestimating Hearts… it might be the Championship but they are on a run of form with good experiemced players who have a point to prove against Celtic – we need to be on the ball.

Now putting Brown and Soro in together MMMmmmmmm might sound like a plan, certainly a way to accommodate both players in the cup final.

But it’s a firm no from me… I’ve seen Scott Brown play with, Hartley, Barry Robson, Darren Fletcher at International level, Wanyama and now Calmac.

All of those players I liked, so even though we could point to outstanding matches and results in games they played together, I don’t think their overall game and performances were enhanced with Broony beside them, the opposite I’d contend.

Want the best out of Soro, then Broony on the bench for me.

Hail Hail

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GARRY

It was indeed,and what a night. Samaras was unplayable.

Garry

Marcus Fraser, Paddy McCourt and Anthony Stokes were all great for Celtic that night, in our 3-1 win. 🍀💚👍

Garry

Marcus has won more winners medals than the majority of the players he played against last night. He is now hoping to add a League Cup Winners medal for Saint Mirren, to his League Cup Winners medal with Ross County. 🤞💚

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GARRY

That night was actuallly a great example of what I referred to earlier. That there’s more to going to the game than simply.erm,going to the game!

I took my Dad and his brother,my Uncle Jim,paid for the lot-as much as they would let me! We went into a Celtic pub on St Vincent Street,I handed my uncle a score to get the beers while I finished my cigarette and my Dad was heading for the toilets. Next thing he’s back outside,telling me it’s full of Rangers fans. Eh,what? Canny be!

Turns out it was Rennes fans,deaf old codger! That was a terrific night,and while Stokesie was the goal hero on the night,and Paddy had his best game for us,and the 17yo Marcus impressed,for me it was Sami’s night-not that I’m bothered whose night it was. It was OUR night,we had a great time,and we won handsomely.

And I’m sure everyone has dozens of similar stories,which is why I’m so reluctant to advocate a boycott. But needs must,sacrifices have to be made,because turning up and grumbling isn’t making a blind bit of difference.

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GARRY

Whichever manager lifts this trophy will officially have a better managerial record than Gerard. Hope that thought chokes them all.

Garry

BMCUW
I sincerely hope it is Jim Goodwin. He would love the Celtic manager’s job in future. It would be good for his C.V. if he won the cup for Saint Mirren.

bada bing1

DU game 3pm kick off 30th December

Garry

Just off the phone to Zbyszek from CQN in Warsaw. He contracted Covid 19 and is self isolating from his wife and two daughters. Zbyszek has underlying severe heart problems. He is a devout Catholic and would love us to pray for him. 🤞🍀💚🇵🇱

bada bing1

Garry- not so good, I remember Z as a regular poster on CQN, and a very well liked guy, get well soon Z

Chairbhoy

Remember Zbyszek, Garry..

Thoughts and prayers are with him and his family…

God give him strength

Hail Hail

bada bing1

Watching the huns game last night, I noticed a lot of moaning and bitching among the Galacticos……could it be pressure of expectation?

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