J’accuse Part 2!

Morning,all.

 

Yesterday dealt with my thoughts on when the current debacle had its roots,which is obviously traceable to the problems Rangers had from their failed £50m share issue. At that stage,no-one could have been blind to the problems that Rangers faced-even if we didn’t necessarily know the full extent of their tax frauds and various other debts at the time.

 

However,it was clear from that club’s own accounts back then that there were problems stacking up for them-not the least of which was caused by their reduced match day income,itself caused by Murray’s decisions to hive off those sources for a quick one-time buck. A classic case of selling the family silver,even if it was often to members of his own family. Though even he drew the line at selling the St Etienne bike or the Arsenal shares. What was also clear was that they simply could not match our income,and that there was little that they could do about it.

 

They still had the opportunity to qualify for the Champions League though,as Scotland had two spots,one direct and the other through qualification,at that time. And they still had the backing of Bank of Scotland,who had allowed Murray to use their lending facilities like his own tap all the way through his career.

 

Although wage and fee expenditure had been reduced at Celtic since the Martin O’Neill era,it was still significant during Gordon Strachan’s time,with many big name players signing for us-none bigger than Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink! But also such as Tommy Gravesen,Jarosik,Naka,Hinkel,etc. But too many times,we were playing free transfers from Hibs and even worse,loan players. But still good enough to keep the huns at bay.

 

This policy had its support with certain sections of the support,but it also had its critics,they type who want to see the best players,to speculate to accumulate. Those who believed in it also bought into the philosophy of the man who was given Carte Blanche to implement it. Peter Lawwell arrived on the scene no longer in his previous relatively insignificant financial role but as the new Great Panjandram. Its initial “success” drew grandiose comments and compliments from his supporters even if not from his critics. So what changed,what caused even the occasional big signing to be a thing of the past?

 

It came to an end with The Financial Crash of 2008,which ushered in a new way of thinking. That it was not simply enough to stay ahead of Rangers. Their problems were so severe that in order for them to even stay in business-albeit one haemorrhaging cash-they needed guaranteed Champions League money. Celtic,still with Lawwell pulling the strings that controlled all the levers at the club played along,but they still couldn’t help but fall to bits.

 

Now,in a situation like that,you say that you’ve tried,shrug your shoulders and move on. Even doctors have to do that. Not our Peter,though. Ever the smartest man in the room,there was another option available. Even though Rangers were dead and officially set for liquidation-with further outstanding tax liabilities unresolved-and in the face of all the football regulations,laws of the land,you name it prohibiting such a thing,there was a way. That,of course,was The Five Way Agreement.

 

Delving back into literature and cinema,he thought of Dr Frankenstein. He should have thought of The Godfather which taught us all of the dangers of going near oranges! And he should have read the book properly too. The good doctor didn’t fair too well…

 

Or was it Lawwell’s idea? I might be doing him a disservice,it might have been someone else’s idea. That excuse never worked at school when you told the teacher that Jimmy had told you to do it,did it? And no excuse since has been offered to the fans for various events relating to the creation by Dr Frankenstein,whoever he was. The Nimmo Smith enquiry,improper registrations,player signings despite embargos. Blatantly spending more than their income against rules enforced by every other football jurisdiction. Etc,etc,etc…

 

Perhaps his worst was still to come when he was presented with a shareholder resolution at the 2013 AGM,which related to the improper award of a European licence to Rangers in 2011,a resolution aimed squarely at the SFA. This was the organisation primarily responsible for the implementation of the infamous Five Way Agreement,even if no-one has admitted to being the brains behind such illegality. In fact,Lawwell has denied ever seeing the thing,and he is an honourable man so we must believe him. As the four gentlemen who presented him with the details of wrongdoing that they had accrued believed him when he told them-

 

“Bring me the silver bullet,and I will fire the gun”

 

They spent a small fortune and considerable time,things that all four would rather have spent elsewhere,doing just that. The problem is,that the more they dug into things,the more they found out,the more they discovered that Celtic hadn’t been hard done by-they were complicit in,or even architects,of the entire chicanery!

 

Lawwell didn’t have any intention of firing anything. Unless his second name was Rodgers,and he was still working on that.

 

Which brings us back to how he ran the club itself during the nine in a row years. With no Rangers around,we had the chance to reinforce our name in European football again. Time to invest wisely. He cut to the bone,and then cut again,and by the time we were facing a challenge from Newco he had got so into the habit that he couldn’t kick it. Maybe he didn’t like not being the club’s highest earner,he certainly wasn’t keen on paying anyone on the football side the going rate. And now we see where we are,and we have to ask how much of it happened because Celtic’s feet were held to the fire,how much of was down to incompetence,how much of it was caused by intent to keep Rangers/Newco alive.

 

I used to give Lawwell the benefit of the doubt over the 5WA,that he had been outsmarted and lied to. But only because I couldn’t countenance the alternative-in the same way that I sometimes put other decisions down to incompetence,even from the smartest guy in the room. Such as the trip to Dubai!

 

But overall? No. Overall I believe that we have been lied to by someone who said he only had Celtic’s best interests at heart. Time and again,to the extent that if he told us that the sun was shining-which he always did!-I’d buy an umbrella.

 

And the hard rain we are suffering now is the fault of Peter Lawwell.

 

Above article by BMCUWP

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Twisty

Morning all
Fantastic 2 part read Bobby though I wish you’d never had to write it.

There’s an end game looming, but what the outcome will be I don’t know. Not sure anyone knows.

I know this though, the support are now in possession of the “silver bullet”. They can fire the gun by not renewing.

However , I’m fully aware there are good bhoys and Ghirls who do not favour that approach, and it’s for each and every one to decide what’s right for them.

Mr Lawwell said yesterday we must stick together. What he meant, despite the dressed up delivery, was this – “I’m gonna need your money”

My response? Well, to continue the Godfather theme, I say this to PL:

“You can have my answer now if you like, my final offer is this. Nothing “

Thetic

Part 1 and Part 2 great synopsis
I have nothing to add to the posts the last few days just want to add my support to our hosts

Well said Bobby!

Perhaps now that he has apologised for the Dubai trip, he will keep it going and apologise for all his other misdemeanors. Try and explain/justify his rationale. Get it all off his chest. Ease his conscience.

But that is assuming he has a conscience!

It will rain in hell first.

Friesdorfer

Excellent once again M. It just makes me want to weep. I am seriously conflicted over renewing.

JtT53
Sadly, and symptomatic of the current malaise, it was a faux and failed apology, imo. Another PR fail of epic proportions – insincerity doesn’t even come close. And, to conflate the Foundation’s charitable efforts with the Club, is shameful.
Not a position anyone of us could have envisaged, nor supported (sic).

HH

big packy

BOBBY, great post, you know something if lawwell and his cronies got booted out, id give neil lennon another season to put it right ,provided he brought back thommo and johan, and got rid of john kennedy ,just an opinion,H.H.

A thing of beauty

Haven’t had much time for posting in the last few days but just wanted to say that the quality of the articles and comments have been superb. McCaff’s open letter to the board very much summed up how I feel at this time. I also see Ayrshire bhoy speaking about giving up and getting on his bike instead. That is also an option for me. I know in my heart I won’t do it though and that is the problem. I and the thousands like me are the problem. We are addicts and Celtic know this. I hope there will be a natural change of the guard as I always thought there would be after this season. Lawwell is too old for new new ideas and doesn’t listen to anyone else. I especially thought Abdul conglomerate summed it up when he pointed out that lawwell said we need to take the club forward but it is so obvious he can’t do it. I hope he finds it in his conscience as JTT also hopes and moves on. Lennon needs to go with him. BP is advocating for him to stay on if Lawwell goes. To others who may think like that I simply ask, how many players have improved under his coaching? For me the answer is none. Also why have the level of professionalism and fitness fell of the cliff in the last 18 months? There is way too much sentiment attached to Neil Lennon. He has been well rewarded whilst working for our club. We are grateful for what he did as a player but his management of the club in two spells hasn’t been progressive. He hasn’t sought to progress himself so I fail to see why we should be keeping him in a job.
Losing a CEO and a manager at the same time is a concern but when something as shocking as this season happens it can be the only outcome. Keeping either in their position will just allow the poison to seep in deeper and the cure take longer.

Oglach

How long before the growing schism amongst the support leads to J’accuse! being thrown at those who continue to tacitly support the PLC through renewal of ST’s etc? Not far off i believe, stating you support the team and not the board and yet still willing financially support the current set up, which renewal is, is maybe – just perhaps a ‘sardonic dichotomy’ too far!

Émile Zola CSC

Oglach

big packy

Sorry a chara, Lenny is not of the quality required to manage Celtic and has massively regressed in his second stint as manager. Now if it wasn’t Lenny we were talking about and you were told that we were going to replace a manger of the status of Brendan with a guy who had been sacked by teams of the stature of Bolton and Hibs would you be happy? Also ask yourself this at what level of Club do you believe that Lenny would be offered a job by when he leaves Celtic?

Packy you’re not a 100% wrong in the sense that the failure in Neil’s second spell as manager is due in no small part to not having proper coaches around him. Whatever his own personal strengths are, it’s not in coaching.

But I have to disagree that he deserves another chance. When he left his first term as manager he was unhappy with the signing/transfer policy of the Board. but he went back to that, and even worse, without being allowed to bring in his own choice management team. But he accepted that! Since then, the playing side of things has went backwards. He knows it. What has he done to address it? He seems to be so desperately keen to hold on to the job no matter how embarrassing it has become. Just more of the same is his plan. It is shameful. He should have stood up to the board and told them to shove it. And made it public. Better late than never.

Why is Neil Lennon so desperate?
He should be an extremely wealthy man with the money he has made in football.

Auldheid-a-

Here is what I just dont get.

PL knows his secret is out.

He has an excellent defence for accepting the 5 Way Agreement. It goes like this:

I didnt want it, I could see the consequences of accepting it but without a Rangers playing in Scottish football, not only would Celtic take a financial hit that we could live with, other clubs could not live with the hit they would take. This would lower the standard of competition or endanger some clubs existence.

Thus even though I knew it was undeserved because Rangers were the cause of their own downfall, had not acted in good faith to fellow league members and did deny Celtic a CL qualifying place in 2011, on balance it was in the Company’s interest to make sure football continued to be placed at Ibrox.

Folk might have accepted that as unpalatable as that was, they could live with it… except.

The football being played at Ibrox would not be recognised as being played by the same club who had cheated every other club for 10 years.

Except there was no attempt to insist on tighter financial controls generally or specifically to make sure that even if it took eight years, Celtic would not take second place to a club operating in the same way that saw their predecessor jeopardise the whole of Scottish football.

The LNS Commission should not have been instigated on the back of misregistrations, which I questioned at the time when it first surfaced on yup. CQN, arguing as did TBB that everything should wait on final outcome on whether Rangers had used ebts in an unlawful manner that no other club could lawfully do and in doing so had acted in bad faith to other clubs.

That the SPL had a meeting with one of CWs men around Oct 2011 where the upcoming administration event and how the SPL could help was discussed is a documented fact.

As Craig Levein said, its Rangers, it’s all about Rangers, the very thing that the 5 Way Agreement was about, savinig a club of Pharisees who see no wrong if they can interpret the rules to their benefit and totally ignore the spirit behind their intent that created the rules in the first place. Beaton on ordering off the Aberdeen CB a recent example.

Those are the questions or points raised that would arise if PL put all the blame for the predicament he and Celtic found themselves where it belongs Rangers under SDM.

In doing so they could dispel the same club myth, get football justice for obtaining UEFA Licence under false pretence, remove the titles won using unlawful ebts to buy players not affordable otherwise (SDMs own testimony at the CW trial and to the FTT ruling on the BTC case ebts..
Do that and I think he would be forgiven so why doent he throw Rangers and SFA under a bus to save his own skin?
The most obvious answer to why not do that is Rangers and the SFA might have something on PL that, as BMCUW suggests, would show that they were all in it together so that PLs possible defence of ‘a big boy did it and ran away” just wont wash.
The man simply has to go if he does not come clean.
He would have to go even if he did, but at least with a bit of redemption for all the lies that have kept Scottish football going for 4 more years than Trumps lies did him in the US .
My advice would be to get out early Peter because the world is slowly wakening up to the harmful evil power of the lie and the liars and the truth is fighting back.

Twisty

Auldheid
As ever, tremendous assessment of past indiscretions. An honourable man would do as you suggest. Hands up, followed by an office clear out.

An honourable man would.

There are reasons that our man won’t . Around 3.5 million of them .

Auldheid-a-

The bit in the PL apology that made me shake my head in disbelief was in answer to the question have Celtic lost their values?
Not just at the reference to the Foundation that is in fact a reflection of the values of the support not Celtic, but for me what I thought on hearing his response was when did it become a value of a club founded on Christian values of truth and honesty to lie to its supporters?
The predicament facing all match going supporters is a core one that causes separation and that is a clash of values.
The answer is not to walk away but to make your support conditional on a return to the values that make Celtic more than other clubs and that starts with the removal of the personification of the values clash.
Make it clear to JPT the SLO that you do not like even having to think about withdrawing support and the reason is the CEO.

fan-a-tic

I thought the overconfident braggart Lawwell looked frightened and unsure despite setting the terms of his broadcast.
As Auldheid has often shown PL’s behavior is reprehensible and he seems incapable of the truth.
It was an insincere apology given with no conviction contrary to his usual bravado.
I myself am usually on the pessimistic side when it comes to his statement’s/lies to the support but this time
the visible cracks in his demeanor gave me a glimmer of hope that the necessary change may come.

fan-a-tic

Big Packy
Surely your suggestion to retain Neil is with tongue in cheek?
At what part of this season has he demonstrated coaching ability?
In my opinion in footballing terms he should never have been our head coach in either of his tenures.
He was an accountants choice due to his personal circumstances resonating with the support making him palatable.The fact he was cheap was a huge bonus.
The priorities of his employment were financial not football related.
The warmth he received from the support he and Lawwell have used as stick to beat us whenever anyone has questioned their failings.
Neil has been handsomely rewarded for his time at the club.
He should go quietly.

Friesdorfer

How many epic PR fails does there have to be before action is taken? Furloughing the U-18 squad after the Dubai Debacle…

McCaff

Morning all from a wet and snowy Renfrew.
Friesdorfer…I think the case of the furlough of the U-18s may be due to the fact they are not included in the ‘elite’ set-up. At present any players not involved in the ‘elite’ professional set-up face the same restrictions as the wider public. I don’t think there is anything suspicious or underhand, on the back of the SPFL/SFA/JRG announcement to suspend football below Championship level ALL teams will be technically furloughed. IMO of course but more than happy to be corrected!

D R M

ATOB I know exactly the dilemma you are playing out in your mind probably constantly at the moment.
In my case when I had the same predicament i had a season book for about 20 years but I felt celtic was turning too much into a business to the detriment of the product on the field and although we had a marvellous stadium there was nothing different from before, roll up watch first half, half time draw, watch 2nd half and roll away. I started asking what are the board doing to earn high salary + bonuses paid for by me, why do I feel I can play better than some of our signings and they are being paid over inflated salaries by me and finally even back then the board thought they were a cut above the man in the street supporters and were quick with the guilty till proven innocent mantra.
I felt guilty not going to as many games as I used to as I started sharing the season book but still met up before and after games with friends who kept going, and still do, go the games.
After 2012 and all the skullduggery, lies and theft that has become Scottish football i stopped going to games, buying merchandise and hardly watch any games on tv and it’s been difficult because everything celtic was my life but I know I did the right thing. I don’t shout and swear at games and become a person I don’t like, I can do any more enjoyable pastime while game is on and come home and see the score and read about the number of penalties turned down or goals chopped off, I don’t have to get bank loan or borrow from friends to go to games and most important I am not putting money in the pockets of crooks who would not sit with you in a pub and discuss the game not that I would invite them into my company.
The only person who can make the decision to continue paying into a charade or ease of partly or totally is yourself but no one should judge anyone for making whatever decision is made.

D R M

Sorry meant to add Bobby n mahe great articles for discussion and refreshing to read the arguments for n against in a friendly manner.

Thanks Packy for your post, it gave us food for thought. I think you said it out of having a soft spot for Neil as a person, as many fans have for various reasons.

My opinion of him would be raised if he were to resign now with a parting shot at the board.

GER57

It’s mid season, and we should be talking about upcoming games, team selection, possible transfer targets, and other fans’ issues like the state of the pitch, stadium etc. But not this season. The fitba’ side of things for us now is finished.
We have an urgent leadership crisis on and off the park. Nothing can be sorted, IMO, until PL leaves the building. Only then can we install a new head coach or manager.
PL seems to micro manage everything that goes on at the club. That’s not an efficient way to run a club of Celtic’s size and stature in 2021. He’s acting like he is Willie Maley, with the same 19th century approach to management. DD must be satisfied with this. He wasn’t on the scene in 1994 and hasn’t experienced the passion /anger of Celtic fans when their gander is up. He’s lucky there’s no fans at games just now.
DD must be considering retirement, and therefore his successor. Will one of his sons take over? Will he sell his shares? Would he consider a deal where a fans group, say 20,000 strong, could buy his stake? Say his shares are worth £30 m. That’s £1500 each. I’m sure we could crowd fund that. Our cash is as good as anyone’s. Has anyone asked the question?

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

GER57

The article points out,I hope,how PL’s decisions have affected the footballing operation. PL’s micromanagement of every aspect of the club is another,one which may well have a bigger effect,and is set for my next article-barring match reviews or reactions to another fiasco.

bada bing1

Andy Murray tests positive for Covid,another elite sportsman travelling the globe, Wee Nicola will be pure ragin with him…….no?

Dermot Desmond? I suspect he will hang on to his shares through retirement. He is certainly not a Tim in the true sense of the word. He won’t do the ‘right thing’. But he has celebrity status at home and throughout the Irish Diaspora because of his links to Celtic. How many would even have heard of him otherwise?

A thing of beauty

DRM
Whilst I hear what you say and understand why you made your choice, what would be the outcome if we all did the same? There would be no Celtic. I can’t countenance that. I refuse to allow my club to die as a consequence of the Huns cheating. How is that being a supporter and beneficial to Celtic?
As I said, we need a complete lancing of this boil and due to the fact that we are SO far behind we can actually turn this crisis into an opportunity to act early instead of it maybe being tight and us having to start the rebuild in June rather than January.
No one likes to see anyone lose their job but sometimes there is no other answer. There would, in my opinion be better goodwill in the future if both lawwell and Lennon fell on their sword for the good of the club.
Ger 57
I don’t see dermot selling up as he won’t get enough cash. In fact I would prefer if he increased his share holding because if he actually he owned more of the club and had more cash at stake he might treat it like he does his other businesses and run it like it means something.

CaltonTongues

bada bing1,

Andy Murray caught covid in London so, no fury from Nicola unless she views London as foreign 😁

TMS

MAGUA

BMCUW and Mahe

Really excellent stuff the past 2 days, and some excellent posts… especially by DRM and Auldheid today, and Abdul and McCaff yesterday.

As to the question of renewing or not. Well there is no right or wrong answer here. This is a moral decision that each Celt must make. Whatever decision the individual makes will be in good conscience…that way, you can’t go wrong.

Hail Hail to Big Packy and Jimthetim.

Craig 76

FC Spartak Moscow Twitter
“We’re off to Dubai”
Oh dear should someone tell them 🤣🤣

big packy

AFTERNOON ALL and JIM, atob, oglach, fan, jim, yes just had my sentimental head on for a brief moment, yes of course you all are right, neil is not the man to take us forward, was just thinking of those games in the past, when he had johan and alan thomson and garry parker helping him, BTW peter if your lurking GTF, and take the rest of your tory friends with you.H.H.

Auldheid

A thing of beauty
DRM
Whilst I hear what you say and understand why you made your choice, what would be the outcome if we all did the same? There would be no Celtic. I can’t countenance that. I refuse to allow my club to die as a consequence of the Huns cheating. How is that being a supporter and beneficial to Celtic?
==============================
You cannot be certain there will be no Celtic. The commercial consequences for the rest of Scottish football would be as great if not greater than the loss of “Rangers”. If only a few refrain from renewing no one would notice, but if 20k to 30k were to say “enough!” their reasons would have to be looked into and, if valid ,addressed or there would be no more Scottish football .

It is not just Celtic supporters that have a beef, the rest put us in the same basket (case) as Rangers, so you might find a lot more willing to say enough than you you think if we do act.

I’m involved with the SFSA for whom fair governance is part of their manifesto. They have friends at Holyrood who have reasons not to like Scottish football from a social perspective, because it is a source of division that could harm an independent Scotland.

My point is there are factors at play we are unaware of and what we fear never happens and what does happen makes you wonder with hindsight why we feared at all.

Auldheid

fan-a-tic
I thought the overconfident braggart Lawwell looked frightened and unsure despite setting the terms of his broadcast.
As Auldheid has often shown PL’s behavior is reprehensible and he seems incapable of the truth.
It was an insincere apology given with no conviction contrary to his usual bravado.
I myself am usually on the pessimistic side when it comes to his statement’s/lies to the support but this time
the visible cracks in his demeanor gave me a glimmer of hope that the necessary change may come.
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I thought Lawwell looked awful , a bit like The Velveteen Rabbit that got knocked about so much it became real, although in PL’s case love is hardly the reason. He looked like he could do with a hug.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

AULDHEID,FAN-A-TIC

I actually thought he looked unwell. Either that,or his make-up artist was on furlough. And that’s not meant to be flippant.

Packy, we need cheering up. tell us a joke! 🙂

CaltonTongues

jimthetim53,

Elderly couple in church. Wife turns to husband and says “I’ve just done a silent fart, what should I do?”
Husband says “put new batteries in your hearing aid!”

TMS

fan-a-tic

BMCUWP Auldheid
He looked for the first time vulnerable.
Would he accept a hug from a member of the Celtic support?
His ashen coloring reminded me of a picture taken in India at a family wedding.
Everyone in the picture is decked out in beautiful colors and their dark skin looks radiant but at one point there looks to be a piece of ash on the picture which is me doing my best Vlad Dracula impression.

bada bing1

IMO the situation has went beyond Lawwell, he won’t walk away,Desmond needs to step up here.

big packy

JIM, how are you buddy, the governor of the lunatic asylum is being shown round for an inspection by the manager, a guy walks up to him and says do you want to have a drive in my car, the manager says you havent got a car, one of the inmates says you should not have told him that i get 5 quid a week for washing it.😎

Rebus67

On the PL interview, what we saw was the classic response to a growing negative PR campaign. Firstly, you must apologise, do not try to defend the indefensible. Secondly, emphasise the positives and that you have learned from the mistake. Thirdly, focus on a bright future that lies ahead. For this approach to be successful you must get the message out early into the negative PR environment, and have your message as the only response from your company, and deliver it with humility and sincerity.

So how did PL do against these criteria? You can judge for yourself but my thoughts are that it failed on several fronts. Firstly, it arrived too late in the negativity cycle and thus sounded like I apologise for getting caught. It was delivered almost reluctantly. It was also not tge sole response to the issue. We had earlier fumbles from JK and then GS.

Secondly, there was no attention paid to lessons learned. What we got was an explanation of why they did it. Effectively, he was justifying his decision after having just apoligised for doing it! Does that sound logical to you? Does it suggest humility and sincerity in apologising?

Thirdly, here his message was better but still ineffectual. All in this together, historic great club, realising our potential to be as good as we can be. All the correct buzz phrases but no specifics. By this point in the message he had already contradicted himself, neutralised his apology and he looked desperate.

Notice, also, he delivered his address, not in a suit and tie, but in a rig that might represent the typical fan. Overall, I would judge this as a fail. Given that this was recorded, that is inexcusable! The content was wrong and the delivery lacked sincerity and credibility. Personally, it reinforced my belief that he is both out of touch with the fanbase and with the problems facing the club.

PL is a proud man. He has achieved a lot in his career. He has made positive contributions to the club over his many years at the club. It has been going badly wrong now since the departure of BR. The Board will never fire him without a shove from DD. Peter, your legacy at the club is in danger of becoming unbelievably bad. Please announce a date for your departure and leave with some dignity. If you do so, you will certainly have my respect.

Rebus

big packy

rest in peace boiling water, you will me mist, JIM, how does a rabbi make coffee, hebrews it, why did the gym close down it just didnt work out,.you know what i saw today, everything i looked at,.why do french people eat snails, because they dont like fast food😎

D R M

ATOB sorry just back from a nice walk. When I took the decision to walk away i had exactly those thougnts, it’s not Celtics fault why should they be punished and what if celtic die as well as rfc(il) but i am a stubborn person (never tell my wife that) and if I think something is morally wrong or if I am being taken for a mug (don’t take my saftnest for daftness) I will try to change it but not to the detriment of my health or family, that is why I have every respect for auldheid and others who continue the quest for celtic to be the club i thought it was.
The fact the celtic board have not fought for the celtic morals and principles or took up the reins for Scottish football as we are the biggest club i have now got to assume our board are also in it up to their necks. Yesterday’s plea about celtic values and sticking together was the sign of a desperate man who looked and knows he is in it up to his neck.
I don’t think I was asking for too much that celtic my club my life would expose everything I abhor in life and by that I mean stealing 1p or multi millions of pounds meant to help the sick, elderly, educate our children, protect our country, feed the needy…………………… Just so they can be the peepil .
Even now all it will take for me and I bet thousands like me to feel the love for my club and start going to games or buying merchandise is to do the right thing even if it’s at the wrong time and come clean about what they know.
Remember rfc(il) said if they died they would take Scottish football with them well they have died but Scottish football can still pull through if we (all teams) come together.
After what I have written i would never castigate anyone who wants to keep contributing to their team it is their choice how they live and spend their money.

Auldheid

jimthetim53

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Celtic1member1vote

The bold Pedro looked to me like he now realises the magnitude of his huge fuck up in terms of losing 10 In A Row, the club being in a such a mess, and that it has all happened on his watch ..

He looked to me like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders ..

Oglach

I am of the opinion that DD fully intends that his shares will be passed to one of his sons, unsure of the name of the one who is an alleged Celtic supporter and attended an AGM in his father’s stead. So chances are DD’s plan is we will be back to the dynastic style running of Celtic as we had pre Fergus. I also believe that if any other major investors sell up due to a collapsing share value that DD may well purchase these shares in his son’s name and thereby avoiding becoming the de facto owner of Celtic. Something he has personally said he didn’t want to be.
Now where does the withholding of our finances help rid Celtic of DD and such? Sadly that is a scenario unlikely to occur given the huge sums of money involved. I have heard mention that there is a possibility of ST holders purchasing large volumes of shares if they were to be placed on the market – well just how many ST holders own shares now? A small percentage only apparently, would others be prepared to spend a couple of thousand pounds to purchase some or would those who own shares already be willing to add to theirs – again i doubt sufficient numbers would.
But what a ‘boycott’ in numbers would achieve is to focus the attention of the DD’s and Trains as it would mean they would have to start spending their own money in order keep things ticking over. Obviously after all our sellable assets have been sold and replaced by bargain basement players and projects – but heigh-ho we are used to that even when the PLC is sitting on tens of millions in the bank. Will it have an adverse effect on the Club? Yes of course it will but we all must realise something drastic needs to be done in order to effect change. Buying shares in dribs and drabs isn’t the way, burying your head in the sand hoping that the moneymen have an epiphany isn’t the way, and renewing a ST is most definitely not the way to elicit the positive change in structure and outlook (FC before PLC) in the way the club is run required. However you can rest assured that if nothing is done and sufficient numbers continue to financially support the PLCs way of avarice and disenfranchisement absolutely nothing will change apart from a veneer of a new manager if we are lucky, that is if DD can persuade one to go to Celtic.

Garry

Oglach
DD’s son Brett, Mr Andrea Corr, is the Celtic supporter in the Desmond family. He attended last year’s AGM.

Garry

Rebus
When anyone apologises for an action in one breath, and then tries to justify the reason for the action in their next breath, then it is usually the sign that the apology is not for the action, but for being caught out. Lawwell’s arrogance and complacency holds no bounds.
His non apology, along with his crass comment about the Celtic Foundation donation of £1 million to Covid19, shows me the type of character Peter Lawwell is.
Time up Pedro.

Oglach

Celtic share value showing a slight increase in value and now trading at £0.98. All deals today have been for small volumes of between 20 minimum and 1100 the max. Only 7 trades in total being recorded thus far today

big packy

HAIL GLORIA ST PATRICK HAIL QUEEN OF OUR ISLE, sorry ghuys for some reason that just came into my head.

Garry

BP
Saint Patrick was a Queen??? 😂😂

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