Where to turn to?

The following is an updated version of a response given to a Celtic supporter on the Scottish Football Monitor blog who in respect of the Celtic Boards management failings that put Celtic so many points adrift asked “ surely there must be a group of shareholders who have had enough and have the clout to take action? “

 

This is the updated response.

 

The fact is that there isn’t a group of shareholders with the capacity to take on The Board. The nearest we have is The Celtic Supporters Trust but they have a single string to their bow strategy, i.e. acquisition of shares or proxy votes which will obviously take time, so the strategy lacks immediacy and whilst their numbers have grown as result of poor football performances that may well slow as supporters realise the CST are as powerless as the single supporter is in the short term to effect meaningful change at Celtic.

 

The CST had an opportunity which they declined to at least show a willingness to confront Celtic by picking up the baton where Res12 left off, but that might change because there is the possibility that they may have misinterpreted what the actual outcome of the 2020 AGM was in respect of Res 12 under Res11 and that they are realising that not doing so is not in tune with the mood of the support. To explain the complication a bit of background is necessary first.

 

Background to Resolution 11/12 on the Celtic 2020 AGM Agenda

 

The Res11/12 outcome issue was a complicated one so a bit of slack is worth allowing, particularly if it leads to a change of mind on the merits of adding a manageable second string to the CST bow by holding Celtic to their word that they will engage with relevant authorities on the SFA failure to conclude their own judicial process rules that Celtic were depending on to resolve the UEFA 2011 licencing case. As Res12 shareholders argued in their AGM Notice statement – you cannot have a game of sport where the rules are not applied and it is wrong to expect supporters to pay to watch such a game. Celticplc_AGM_Notice_2020_061120.pdf (celticfc.net) pages and 9.

 

That statement embedded into Res11/12 came as result of tardiness on Celtic’s part in not responding to a new Resolution condemning Celtic, not just on the UEFA License 2011 issue but also failure to challenge the LNS Decision when provided with documentation to do so in 2014 and 2019 but because that condemnation was deemed defamatory in making allegations against individuals it was inadmissible as drafted under Company law, and so it could not be placed on the AGM agenda.

 

This news 7 weeks after more than 100 resolution requisition forms had been delivered in early September gave little time for shareholders to revisit and redraft the original resolution to remove any dubious references and stick only to the facts (so no defamation) some of which were in the original resolution but there was no time discuss then redraft and overcome the logistical problems of delivering another 100 plus signed revised requisition forms so an agreement was reached between Celtic and the shareholder that they would make a statement of their concerns to be published on the AGM notice to which Celtic would respond although that response was not known to the shareholders until the AGM notice was published.

 

The shareholder statement took the form of a follow up to the 2019 AGM which asked Celtic take the investigation into the 2011 UEFA Licence case from the SFA to UEFA as at that time the SFA Judicial process had stalled as the SFA were considering taking the matter to CAS as result of a clause in the 5 Way Agreement having in 2018 assured Celtic who passed it on at the 2018 AGM that the matter would go to CAS.
However a year later the position remained unchanged so a new Resolution was also numbered 12 was tabled but voted against by Celtic who were content to leave the unfinished judicial process with the SFA.
In May 2020 The SFA confirmed they would not take the case to CAS (possibly because CAS might have judged the 5 Way Agreement itself was damaging to sporting integrity as it has arguably been proved since 2012).

 

As a result the shareholders statement picked up where the 2019 left off pointing out in essence that you cannot have a game without rules that will not be applied.

 

The Complication.
Here is where the complication comes in.

 

The technical expertise to take Res12 (2013) out of adjournment lay with Celtic’s Company Secretary and in line with the language first used in response to Res12 2013 the words “unnecessary ” were used. Quite understandable in the circumstances as those words related directly to Res12 2013 via Res11 (as a statement ) at the 2020 AGM. Not being a lawyer it might actually be a term of normal legal usage.

 

What Celtic undertook in writing on the AGM 2020 Notice to do was to engage with relevant authorities but with fuzziness added in terms of being in the Company’s interest, no timetable and who would they actually report back to and when the 2021 AGM?

 

By making this “commitment” Celtic were justifying not acting on Res12 2013 because they said they would take over from the Res12 group the task of bringing the SFA to account because that is what engagement would be (and in line with a core aim of Res12 in 2013)
Not too complicated.

 

That comes from the voting form itself because it left Res12 shareholders with two options, trust Celtic would do as they said and vote AGAINST Res12 2013 or FOR Res12 2013 because the Board were not to be trusted and their fuzzy response in the AGM Notice and refusal to answer questions seeking clarifications did nothing to allay suspicions.

 

In the circumstances of mistrust given Celtic had kicked the Res12 (2013) can down the road for 7 years, the Res12 group voted FOR Res12 2013 (that asked UEFA to investigate) as did the CST in support once what box to tick was clarified.

 

Of course the block vote AGAINST Res12 2013 was passed overwhelmingly which did end Resolution 12, which was also no longer necessary as the Resolution 12 requisitioners had done the investigatory work that Resolution 12 in 2013 had asked UEFA to do AND had passed their findings to a UEFA Integrity Unit on the basis the SFA (not Rangers) have questions to answer. The documentation supporting non compliance and possible fraud the SFA had missed was accepted and passed into the UEFA system but since July 2020 there has been no activity from that source who are one of the relevant authorities Celtic may engage with should it no longer be in the Company’s interest to avoid doing so.
What was then put to the CST but appears to have got lost in translation was in effect to make sure Celtic carried out their undertaking in the AGM notice and kept their word to shareholders.

 

Hopefully with some of the reasons that led the CST to decline to keep Celtic to their word clarified, the CST will revisit the matter.

 

Even if for reasons of other priorities, lack of resources, although that can and will be found from new CST Members with an interest in seeing the rules applied, a decision based on a fuller understanding of the actual outcome of Resolution11/12 at the 2020 AGM will give satisfaction to the Res12 Group of shareholders that their voice has been heard.

 

Note: The biggest barrier to meaningful action is Peter Lawwell but I cannot see him being in charge for much longer, his mishandling of Res12 2013 is becoming part of a bigger renewal issue along with a growing number of supporters dissatisfied with the Celtic team’s managed decline and the unwise Dubai decision. All are bad for the bottom line and the brand, which is important to Dermott Desmond.

 

Only the amount of severance pay will be an impediment but then there is a cost to Celtic if PL remains and support shrinks as a result and the SFA carry on being selective in the rules they apply or don’t apply.

 


The above was provided by Auldheid.
Please follow @ForCelts on Twitter which is the newly formed Celts for Change 2021.

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Thetic

Well that Auldheid has some constitution I would hate to sit across the table from him as a negotiator. There is a game tomorrow and we are not talking about it. The game is the reason we are all on here, just shows you how disgusted we all are
The other point I would like to make is when one of our regular posters comes on late at night your time, a guy comes on and belittles him. If we have a card system he should have had his first yellow by now
Great posts again this week

Friesdorfer

Auldheid
Got that 👍 but will the CT…?
HH

Auldheid-a-

Thetic.

I slept through Friday, so much for my constitution lol but yes there is a game to worry about or enjoy I hope.

I thought game was tomorrow.

On the game Livi are a team on form and just as well its not at Livingstone.

So it’s more fingers and toes crossed watching time.

Should we play Taylor and utilise Laxalt elsewhere? The more experienced players on show the better?

Auldheid-a-

Friesdorfer
Auldheid
Got that 👍 but will the CT…?
HH
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The answer will be revealing.

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Repost from yesterday,seems we have a new group demanding change. Worth looking into,I reckon! Got my support anyway…

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MAHE

Twitter users please consider following

@ForCelts

Which is the twitter handle of

Celts for Change 2021

A new group.

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AULDHEID

That’s terrific stuff,mate. As ever,your doggedness does you credit! There is definitely a growing groundswell of disillusionment-and then some!-with the board,and a willingness now to organise that. I’m encouraged that the CST have begun to take a form of action,and more so that such as the GB have joined with them. The more numbers the better,I would suggest,and the louder the voice.

I remain disappointed at their decision on Res 12/11,but hopeful that they will review it-or perhaps that the membership will push for that. The other very pleasing development is the embryonic formation of CeltsForChange21,and this is another avenue worth exploring,and which will have my support.

WhateverittakesCSC

I have left a comment on the Trust’s website. (Comments section on the article about the North Curve statement).

My post is in moderation at the moment but I await with interest. btw, comments are few and far between! Any CST members on here I urge you to get commenting!

https://celtictrust.net/

Noel Skytrot

I initially struggled to understand what the Res12 people were doing but now realise it isn’t that difficult to understand, the whole shebang is a charade and that everyone involved in this are thieves and liars, including those allegedly running our club. You have to have nothing but sheer admiration for Auldheid and all those involved in this and would be hopeful that they get what their efforts deserve. Clear out the stables.

Gordon64

CT North Curve Statement
We have watched today the coverage and huge interest in the statement of our fellow supporters in the North Curve. The statement is eloquent and clear and we understand why they have felt moved to issue it at this point. Furthermore, we totally agree with them about the absolute necessity of continuing to build a united fan movement. It is the only way to take us out of our current malaise and to ensure we avoid, as far as is possible, ever being in this situation again. Our entire membership will have a chance to discuss this further at our members’ meeting on the 26th and we will publicise the outcome of our discussions then.

Oglach

I am of the opinion that the CST were fully cognizant of Res 12 / 11, after all isn’t their chairperson supposed to be as sharp as an Oscar Wilde rejoinder and allegedly knows some of the board quite well.🤨 Question – why wasn’t a group that represents Celtic supporters aware of the PLC’s shenanigans and the implications of their less than subtle avoidance of pursuing Res 12 / 11

Hopefully Celts for Change 2021 will start to get a bit of momentum behind it

bada bing1

Joe Ledley on Soccer am

Gordon64

https://johnjamessite.com/2021/01/16/effecting-real-change/ The last paragraph is of interest or could be just BS 🤔

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BADABING

I thought it was David Bellamy.

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GORDON64

Might be referring to

Celts for Change 2021

as I wouldn’t think they would only contact us here.

Gordon64

And BTW we’ve got a game on today HH👍🍀

fan-a-tic

Seems that the youngster Harper is being touted for the off.
If that’s the case then there is no point in playing him.
Give his spot to a younggster who has a future with us.
Like Oko-Flex his contract is up in 6 months and both showing no inclination to sign a new one.
Both seem highly rated in football circles with Harper tipped for NY Red Bulls and Oko-Flex with Crystal Palace and some Italian teams.
Another example of destruction Neil’s employment has helped create in our football department.
With 2 already left for Bayern and one to Man city plus the likeliness of Harper,Oko-Flex and Dembele it has cost the club prized asset’s and potential millions in future transfer fees and could have saved us a fortune in signing second rate projects who unsurprisingly flopped.
Having their path blocked by second rate duds was never going to increase their belief that Celtic had plans or faith in them.

Today’s game will be physical so would like to see Robertson slot in to replace Rogic from midweek.
He has enormous potential and excelled on loan in a physical league.
Recalling him early from loan was possibly an admission we should have been playing him.

bada bing1

https://www.facebook.com/Lansdowneroad.ie/videos/2236613773150776/?sfnsn=scwspwa

 

 

Another reason you should always say there is no O-d F!€m…

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FAN-A-TIC

NL has always shown a marked reluctance to blood youth-yet the first thing he did was bring through James Forrest at 19! Go figure…

But this hasn’t been helped by our signing policies,as I said in Wednesday’s article.
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“the quality of player on offer decline markedly in favour of an entirely new concept in football. The Project Player. Paying peanuts gets you monkeys,said The Doc-and our new Director of Football was intent on proving him correct. Most of them were so bad that they couldn’t even get into a team which was itself truly awful. And that only made it harder for the manager to bring through younger players-because there weren’t enough seasoned pros who could help them along the way!”
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That doesn’t excuse him entirely though. Far from it.

A thing of beauty

Thanks for the article auldheid. I think the removal of Lawwell will satisfy the majority of the support and res 11/12 dissatisfaction may go with him. That doesn’t make it right but there may be an attitude that we need to move on. People who have disgraced the club and cheated the supporters of a fair game will retire disgracefully but without facing justice.
Crag 76 hope you get a mild version of the virus and can manage your way through it. Like angel Gabriel said, the fatigue is a bugger, so take it easy.
Fan,
Very pertinent points in your post there. When I was reading it I could feel my rage boiling. Appointing Neil Lennon has been an absolute disaster for the club. He has failed in his duties consistently and the fall out will affect us for years. I know I’ve said it before but it was an absolutely crazy appointment by Lawwell and Desmond. It is unfathomable what they thought he would bring. I don’t know why he is still in his role because it is just more wasted time and also sullies his reputation with the support even further. It’s time to put him and us out our misery,

bada bing1

FAN-A-TIC- Lennon’s refusal and inability to integrate young players into the squad, is being shown up on many levels, boys v Hibs showing poorly,Morrison and others jumping ship (money could be a factor),and the best prospects we have,Harper, Oko Flex,Dembele wanting away.This Club is a shambles at every level.

ATOB, I’m a big fan of Angels. I’ve got fridge magnets of Michael, Raphael and Gabriel. But I can’t remember Gabriel saying fatigue is a bugger anywhere in the bible!

Auldheid-a-

ATOB

The CST have been given the opportunity to move on.

Will they take it or double down?

I see no point getting rid of an untrustworthy bunch and replacing them with another.

Sol Kitts

ATOB
NFL could put himself and us out of our misery, by doing the right thing and accepting his time is up. However, he recognises that his managerial credentials are fatally compromised, and this will be his last job, so he is hanging on for a sacking or mutually agreed settlement. In doing so, he is demonstrating that his connection with the Celtic support is no more, as he puts money ahead of the fans love for the club.
Someone needs to break this impasse, be it DD by finally seeing what’s happening with the club, or NFL by putting the club’s fans ahead of personal wealth. Unfortunately, my money’s on none of the above, as both sides refuse to publicly admit they are in the wrong and stubbornly cling to what they have.

Auldheid

Noel Skytrot
I initially struggled to understand what the Res12 people were doing but now realise it isn’t that difficult to understand, the whole shebang is a charade and that everyone involved in this are thieves and liars, including those allegedly running our club. You have to have nothing but sheer admiration for Auldheid and all those involved in this and would be hopeful that they get what their efforts deserve. Clear out the stables.
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At last, someone who gets it. If this were the USA The SFA and member clubs are the GOP. (Republicans)

I remember as the narrative unfolded as the delving was done thinking this cannot be true.

D R M

Noel correct thieves and liars although not sure if our board are thieves but they are guilty with association and abetting. In the real world these people should not be allowed to just leave their positions without any consequences for their illegal actions but over the last jelly n ice cream years in not sure what world i live in.

Noel Skytrot

Auldheid, my position regarding Res12 has always been that the moneyed men and all
of the others complicit in this absolute sham would come out on top, now, i’m not that sure. Pointing my father to the SFM site for information on what has occurred, he’s now beginning to see this for what it is and has described it when speaking too me in really blunt terms “colluding, thieving bastards from top to bottom who are stealing from working class people that are the lifeblood of our club, Robert, including us”

Rebus67

I am not sure I fully understand the Res12 issue. To be honest I have never understood all the nuances but, perhaps, that is on me. However, the defamatory issue seems to have played a critical role in the outcome this time around. What was defamatory or can that not be revealed? Why did it happen? I wonder, but do not know, if that played a part in the CST decision. What organisation would want to take on an issue that could have legal implications?

I know it is easy to be wise after the event but in my view Res12 died when it was perceived as a Celtic issue and not, what it really is, an issue for all clubs but especially the premier clubs. I do not think that it can progress, irrespective of who is the CEO at Celtic, because not only is Celtic PLC dubious about running with it, other clubs are also not interested in pursuing it. Until the issue is broadened from a Celtic focus then it has little chance of a real result, sadly. Unfortunately, at this point I cannot see a way of stirring interest amongst the other clubs……most are concerned with survival.

Sorry to be pessimistic, Auldheid, but perhaps it is time to focus on more recent events that suggest that the governance of the game is flawed. For example, the refereeing system, and the creative accounting used by one club.

Here in Canada, especially in the winter, we are often faced with a situation due to a heavy snowfall. When your car is stuck in the snow, instead of pushing your foot down on the accelerator and spinning your wheels, go into reverse, slowly back up, then try to move forward. Repeat that a few times and you have a chance of getting on the move and arriving at your destination.

Just some random thoughts,

Rebus

D R M

Rebus I agree it shouldn’t just be celtic taking this forward but just because no other clubs for whatever reason wanted involved (apart from raith rovers) doesn’t mean celtic put their head down and walk past.
Celtic are the team who had most to gain or lose from the institutional cheating therefore it should have been a no brainer to at least investigate and ask the right questions and make it public they thought they were cheated. By doing nothing we are in the position where a new team are going to be allowed to say they have won 55 titles and maybe even more negligent allowed to win their first title stacking up debt like rfc(il) were allowed to do and with the help of dodgy decisions.

McCaff

Afternoon all, I hope everyone’s well and anticipating a healthy performance from the Bhoys today!
the’Tic…re the abusive poster, Bobby and Mahe dealt with the guy who came on the night before last, he’s gone now! Last night was me having a wee bit of fun with Puff, he knew it was me so there was no harm!
I agree with your sentiment entirely though! HH!!

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McCAFF

Maybe not too wise,as the device that you use could end up blocked by using a name that has already been blocked.

bada bing1

Hazard, Ralston, Bitton, Duffy, Laxalt, Soro, McGregor, Frimpong,Turnbull, Rogic, Johnston,

 

 

Subs: Doohan Taylor Connell Roberston Oko-Flex Henderson Welsh Karamoko Harper

bada bing1

I wonder if Eddie Howe has a sign in, to watch the game?

Gordon64

Welsh on the bench 🤔

MAGUA

Auldheid

Excellent lead article…though something I had to read a few times, to get some concept of understanding.

Puff Puff

Well played the other night. Can’t get where yer man was coming from, as you were only having a bit of craic. Shame though. Over the previous couple of days, he had made some valid points re the Celts. Live and let live, eh?

Agree with ATOB that Lenny has been an absolute disaster…though I’m more inclined to blame the feckin’ eejit who ‘shower appointed’ him. Never ever thought that I would be so raging after winning a treble. For me though, the worst aspect has been the decimation of the youth system. No coaching. No chance of 1st team action. No nothing. No wonder so many of the young ‘uns are leaving. Lennon has not only managed to feck up our present…he has fecked up our future.

Let no one be in any doubt…the PLC ARE a shower of thieving bastards. Useless, despicable, incompetent, corrupt, complacent, collaborating thieving bastards. I realise that I may be holding back here. I’m usually more forthright in my views…so that’ll be a nay to Blue Peter and co then.

Up The Celts. Down with Peter Lawwell and insurance companies…a match made in heaven.

Hail Hail.

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MAGUA

Back of the net!

Gordon64

Mike in T Cheers mate. Just missed your post last night HH https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1NrQYXjLU Dancing With Myself 😜

Gordon64

It’s been a seriously strange season, so far you’ve got Milan, Atletico, Man Utd, Lyon, Sporting and Rangers all sitting top of their leagues in Jan having not won a league title in a combined 52 years.

Milan 9 yrs
Atletico 6 yrs
Man Utd 7 yrs
Lyon 12 yrs
Sporting 18 yrs
Rangers (Never)

Auldheid

Rebus67
I am not sure I fully understand the Res12 issue. To be honest I have never understood all the nuances but, perhaps, that is on me. However, the defamatory issue seems to have played a critical role in the outcome this time around. What was defamatory or can that not be revealed? Why did it happen? I wonder, but do not know, if that played a part in the CST decision. What organisation would want to take on an issue that could have legal implications?

I know it is easy to be wise after the event but in my view Res12 died when it was perceived as a Celtic issue and not, what it really is, an issue for all clubs but especially the premier clubs. I do not think that it can progress, irrespective of who is the CEO at Celtic, because not only is Celtic PLC dubious about running with it, other clubs are also not interested in pursuing it. Until the issue is broadened from a Celtic focus then it has little chance of a real result, sadly. Unfortunately, at this point I cannot see a way of stirring interest amongst the other clubs……most are concerned with survival.

Sorry to be pessimistic, Auldheid, but perhaps it is time to focus on more recent events that suggest that the governance of the game is flawed. For example, the refereeing system, and the creative accounting used by one club.

Here in Canada, especially in the winter, we are often faced with a situation due to a heavy snowfall. When your car is stuck in the snow, instead of pushing your foot down on the accelerator and spinning your wheels, go into reverse, slowly back up, then try to move forward. Repeat that a few times and you have a chance of getting on the move and arriving at your destination.

Just some random thoughts,

Rebus
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There was nothing defamatory in the Resolution/statement Celtic accepted and printed in the AGM notice which the CST supported the shareholders on.

What was put to Celtic originally was never going to see the light of day but it led to a Statement Celtic were OK with and responded to in a different way had they not had a reason to bargain. You have to remember what a sneaky bunch The Board are. Tactics. Tactics.

Something can only be defamatory if it is not true. What is true based on documentation can be revealed:
for example Celtic were knowledgeable about the 5 Way Agreement.
That they had a couple of opportunities to call out the LNS Commission.
What may be in dispute is what this meant but one of the questions raised by 5 Way knowledge is why did Celtic insist the requistioners go down an investigation route that was going to run into the 5 Way Agreement CAS cul de sac?
Why indeed did SFA not tell requistioners that when they were first approached? Its all on http://www.res12.uk

Who applied the perception it was a Celtic v Rangers issue but the SFA, helped by a compliant media.

In 2016 The Offshore Game an offshoot of the Tax Justice Network published a report that had the SFA as its target. No media in Scotland would publish the story which TOG hawked around, so they published it themselves. It got scant attention. The perception it was a Celtic v Rangers issue was one that suited the SFA and kept attention from themselves and they were helped by a compliant media, must be around 15 journos who refused to delve or pick up including some with good Celtic credentials, which is not a surprise really.

As Noel Skytrot said earlier everything since 2012 has been a sham to cover up ten years of cheating that if accepted would have stopped Rangers playing in Scotland. You don’t invite a cheat to your card table.

It s no longer about stirring interest in other clubs, it is about Celtic honouring what they told shareholders they would now do – engage with relevant authorities even if only in the Company’s interests, no timeframe or identification of whom they would report progress to.
Just another set of lies that they know no one will make them accountable for. Lost in the politics is what the aim of Res12 was – to give Celtic leverage to reform the SFA, which should be removal of all the factors that work against Celtic. If that is not to the benefit of every Celtic supporter wherever they are and in whatever form they support, I don’t know what is or do we think moaning about the referees is part of the enjoyment?

What the CST are saying whether they appreciate it or not is we will not tackle corruption or bring Celtic to account for failing to.

So you see I am concentrating on recent events the idea that what happened 9 year ago is dead is completely wrong, the corruption is still with us and Celtic, who pretended they wanted SFA reform (I have the emails) are part of it.

To use your analogy, I’m not spinning my wheels, I’m getting out of the car and letting the support take over the driving.

My current beef with the CST is that their reasons for not not pursuing a just cause as published on CQN are disingenuous at best and I and the shareholders I represent are no more prepared to be lied to by PL than I/they are by the CST, but I’d much prefer they revisit their reasons and give an honest answer for not pursuing than give the impression you have picked up that it is a matter of the past.

As I said last week in an extract from a poem On Wakening Up

My business is to do my thing, to dance my dance. If you profit from it, fine; if you do not too bad!
As the Arabs say,
“The nature of rain is the same, but it makes thorns grow in the marshes and flowers in the gardens.”

This is a cave I really want to get out of and let those left make the journey out in their own lifetime.

Auldheid

Noel Skytrot
Auldheid, my position regarding Res12 has always been that the moneyed men and all
of the others complicit in this absolute sham would come out on top, now, i’m not that sure. Pointing my father to the SFM site for information on what has occurred, he’s now beginning to see this for what it is and has described it when speaking too me in really blunt terms “colluding, thieving bastards from top to bottom who are stealing from working class people that are the lifeblood of our club, Robert, including us”
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Dont let him read the Res12 archive after I have brought it up to date from May 2020!

big packy

AFTERNOON ALL, lets get a win today, although after every time we have had a bad game i say im not watching celtic ever again, never happens tho, im stuck with them😎BTW went to livingston once and it was closed, another true story,COYBIG

Auldheid

Gordon64
CT North Curve Statement
We have watched today the coverage and huge interest in the statement of our fellow supporters in the North Curve. The statement is eloquent and clear and we understand why they have felt moved to issue it at this point. Furthermore, we totally agree with them about the absolute necessity of continuing to build a united fan movement. It is the only way to take us out of our current malaise and to ensure we avoid, as far as is possible, ever being in this situation again. Our entire membership will have a chance to discuss this further at our members’ meeting on the 26th and we will publicise the outcome of our discussions then.
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Can you contact me via sentinelcelts@gmail.com before the CST Zoom meeting? I’ve a wee concern that can be sorted privately.

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Just told my wee hun mate about Doncaster mentioning null and void. He lives about three miles away and I still felt the shockwave from the bulging veins in his neck.

fan-a-tic

Bitton replaces Welsh.
Once again a youngster who was one of our better players get’s dropped so an experienced calamity gets a game.
Do we even have coaches?
If so do they watch our games with blindfolds on?
Honestly feels like they enjoy giving a large Up You with most of the clubs decisions this season!

Gordon64

Auldheid 👍

Mahe

Auldheid,

Many thanks for todays food for thought and a night off also.

The issue of direction and responsibility in this situation the fans find themselves in is clearly an emotive and sometimes divisive subject. When one considers every Tom, Dick and Harry will have an opinion of whats needed next, the ever fractious Celtic support were always going to be wary of who and what they are following and maybe funding.

The Trust have clearly seen their profile rise recently, everyone is Im sure aware of them by now. Their newish Chairman has embarked on a course of gathering shares, and as we know their committee opted not to carry Res12 onwards.

Big decisions.

Its at this stage I should point out theres no wrong and right here, perhaps thats the great beauty of it all, but each fan must make their own decisions regarding where their emotional and financial support go. It should be a simple case of lets buy the ticket and watch the team with zero other baggage involved, that ‘right’ is exactly whats being fought for.

I haven’t joined myself but thats not to say I wont, Im just taking my time to delve a little deeper into them,,and I admit I like some of what I see while not liking others.

The idea of a fully democratic party totally appeals as does the simple process of voting in a new Chairman if needs be.

What does not appeal is closed committee decisions such as Res12 and then their direction of choice in gathering shares.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out we could be gerrymandered as required, so in essence we could be in the exact same position as today only potentially millions less better off.

But should the members become unsatisfied, there is the option of a new direction, and as far as being non confrontational goes, see above.

It is the main or only show in town yes, but theres clear potential there and the body itself is pledged to serve its members wishes,,so should they demand a more aggressive approach the Trust must step up to the plate if ordered to do so by a simple majority.

As such I see no harm save any personal costs incurred in joining up to the Trust. The more like minded fans they sign up the more they must respond to them, or see a new leader who will.

Given the above, the Trust is worth a shot in my opinion.

If they let us down at least we tried and there can be zero fingers pointed if we go our own direction that may be seen as competition.

I guess I will be joining up then.

Thanks again.

Hail Hail

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Another game without a striker. Fuxake.

Auldheid

Bitton at the back.. If we survive his big mistake we might be OK.

Nana Mouskouri C.sc

Am I the only one that thinks the league is still doable or are we all on the null and void bandwagon now

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