Pondering Potential,,,

Happy Friday folks.
It’s totally understandable that despite a few victories, there remains the waft of disappointment in the air given the prize on offer and more than likely finishing position.

 

I’m well aware misery loves company and that whilst at a lower ebb it can be easy to forget how good riding the crest of a wave can be for us Tim’s who truly do have something special here.
When all are on the same page, amarch, it can truly be spine tingling.

 

So with the hope of changing the record, I would be delighted to read your opinion on a topic that seems to be on repeat recently between the mates and myself.
And that is the potential of Glasgow Celtic.

 

For starters a chap I’m delighted to call friend has asked me a couple of times to sit and ponder a hard question.
That question is,,
If every Celtic fan that wanted a ticket for Seville was guaranteed one, how many would have went?
This opener digs into the very heart of the issue in a different way, how much potential is there not just emotionally or financially but physically if possible?
It’s a great question and my first answer was theres no stadium built could hold that crowd.
Stadia themselves can for safety reasons only hold so much which does limit them, in our case by a huge amount.
My honest answer was a quarter million to which the chap agreed that as a good starting point. His rationale being every single Tim would want at least two, himself and the next generation of Celtic supporters.
So automatically 100k who.would always wish to go, around the number that travelled by all accounts, would have at least doubled, if capacity were available.
It’s such a shame nowhere exists that would let us gather in such numbers, the Stadio Azteca perhaps the last great bastion in that respect.
How many tickets do you think we could have sold yourself?

 

Second, while we are talking fans and numbers, I put this to the bhoys the other night.
We have one world class asset.
Yourself, hopefully one day myself, the fans in the stadium, the faithful.
‘That’ atmosphere which all the greats rant and rave about, you know the one.
Some might say weve a world class history and while it is to us, many teams have had quite a journey with the Busby Babes a stark reminder that history while wrote by the victor, can be very cruel. So I will stick on one world class asset.
And that biggest asset is free!
It’s ironic the club receives a pittance for said atmosphere btw, and a miracle that what I believe to be the most corrupt league in Europe can produce such a unique experience.
You, me, footballers, broadcasters, literally cant get enough!
Any business person worth their salt would not need to be told, maximize your biggest asset.

 

In that respect it should not be rocket salad to determine some things.
First of all, the more the merrier.
Everyone gets into it, everybody either enjoys it or participates.
More bodies, more atmosphere. It looks that simple.
Which leads to the question,,how big should our stadium be?
Well, look at the above fact, more bodies, more atmosphere.

 

62k is a strange number and I would love to hear how is became settled upon, but given that the stadiums coming 50 now, half a decade of history under her bent, when the refurb or rebuild is considered, the capacity number really needs to be examined.

 

Given the Seville question was settled on a quarter million give or take,,given that many would take an extra or two along to the big games if that possibility where available,,given that many simply settle to watch those famous European nights on telly because they have ‘no chance of a ticket’,,and then factor in the International Supporters Clubs who would indeed travel en masse to the big games together IF the twenty thirty block of seats needed to accommodate the clan were actually available.
I think our stadium number needs looked at, bigtime.

 

Now you’re probably thinking ‘Mahe we get a tuppence in a backwater, cant afford the rebuild and what happens when theres only 40k in this huge stadium as was happening?’
The pittance we accept from Sky and BT should stop tomorrow.
Is the best atmosphere IN THE WORLD not worth more than the mere pittance tossed out way als the appetizer before the biggest league in the world?

 

Whilst a full price VST is not the answer, a larger stadium with tiered season ticket for example a minimum wage worker tier and of course an elderly and youth tier, with the stadium then filled by the unemployed as soon as the ball kicks off is my dream, and we dont sell out to Murdoch or whoever, but those who arent attending can stream for 5 pounds or another decent flat rate with deals galore to entice interest.
Barca hit the hundred thousand, still couldnt match us.
Imagine us with at a ton capacity,,,the last minute corner yell would wake my wee one up 😉
Build it and they will come I reckon.

 

And finally as three is the magic number, Supporters Clubs.
Either joined or founded one everywhere I’ve roamed, whether the happy landlord but bleary eyed staff, or the organically grown garage turned shrine which sums up my own over here, shout out to Calibhoy and the crew.
In the countryside the smaller ones are needed fullstop.

 

However, having cut my teeth in the hospitality trade, I believe the club are missing a trick here.
Around this date 17 years ago yours truly was a regular in a rugby teams official partner ‘outlet’ or something similar.
Positioned somewhere central with footfall, the designer then maximized the exterior space by filling it with those beautiful green and white hoops and the rest on display just drawing you in. That ‘superstore’ was small but equipped, a bored teenager when I had a butcher’s, but can you imagine the Hoops on display in the bigger USA cities saying come in and get me right here right now?

 

The establishment was the pre home game meeting point, with two big buses coming to take all those with cash,card or a season ticket to the game and back.
A large menu was always on offer, reassuring the just awake or the straight in after work supporter he could grab something substantial.
There was a bar of course.

 

However in my humble opinion the establishment’s jewel in the crown was its mini stand. Against a wall facing a roll down screen sat a mini set of bleachers that had the teams colors etc so you could actually sit shoulder to shoulder stadium style. I thought it was fantastic, it actually tended to be used be the elder fans for the better view and the younger ones seemed happy to give it up.

 

Transferring such a vision to our beloved club, such a place would be the perfect pre travel staging area within the isles surely, if not traveling the perfect CSC or as close as we shall get.
and I would have one in NYC, Boston, and SFO etc.
I would have a big hot box full of pasties, sausage rolls, and Scotch Pies full at all times and smelling great at the front beside the foot traffic. Take home packages for the expat.
The existing city based supporters clubs who have always been judged attendance vs opening costs by host bars can be left behind.
The ‘hardcore’ that watch live would see the establishment benefit from not only their attendance but the 3pm delayed recording crew (as we do) plus the shirt sales, pie sales, beer sales, all food sales.

 

I would have Official Glasgow Celtic Supporters Clubs in all the globes major cities where everyone knows they can catch the game live or replay, hear a friendly accent, grab a good fry (because I wouldnt accept anything less) or sample the hotbox,,grab haggis or black pudding etc to go, then all profits flows towards the club, employees being paid the average wage in that sector plus tips and bonuses.
A chunk of profit to local charities for the cherry on top!

 

Oh, on tops,,,why aren’t the local homeless and recovering vulnerable making them in an friendly workplace and even if a lesser quality we would buy if they actually help and support the community .
But that’s for another day.
What about you? Ever thought we were ‘missing a trick?’
I would love to hear below.

 

By Mahe.

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MAHE

Seville? Not a chance,just started a job-which lasted for 17 years,so good choice. My sisters and I talked my Mum into letting my Dad go,though. Well,we threatened her for the first time in our lives!

I had twelve tickets for the Real Madrid game in 1980,they were limited to two per person when we were buying them but I reckon the guy was choking for a fag and wanted rid!

I sold them on for a massive profit of precisely zero to people who couldn’t get there in time for the ticket sale.

Two quid each!

I’ve said plenty that all you have to do to get Celtic fans on board is hope and belief. This current board aren’t doing that,and judging by the latest wee chat with the CST,that isn’t changing any time soon.

Your article describes the fans. Give us a reason to be there and try holding us back!

It’s high time the board realised that actually THEY are the ones holding us back.

Thetic

I know two school teachers who went to Seville from Vancouver without tickets
I know the fans who were in the stadium had an experience of a lifetime, but so did the two schoolteachers. They were so happy with their experience it made me realize I should have gone. I thought it would be frustrating going there and not going in Maybe being with the fans even if it’s outside the stadium with like minded fans who have the same DNA (Celtic) is as I good an experience as being inside.
I had an experience in 1962 Celtic V Rangers my two Rangers supporting cousins from of all place’s Kilwinning ,stayed at our place the night before. When we got to Celtic Park it was full couldn’t get in. We walked around the stadium at least four times looking for an open turnstile Maybe that’s why I didnt want to go to Seville without a ticket, I still remember the frustration of not getting in

bada bing1
Celtic1member1vote

Mahe .. Great Article.

Seville .. If Celtic had said there could be public applications, they would have got 500,000 ..

Every fan who got a ticket new at least 10 people who would have easily taken their ticket ..

As it was we must have had about 45,000 fans in the stadium out of the crowd of 53,000 ..

Funny story .. The day before the game 6 Porto fans appeared in front of the Cathedral where thousands of Celtic fans had gathered ..
They had 6 spare tickets and wanted 3,000 Euros in total for the tickets ..
So 6 Celtic fans said no problem show us the tickets then ..
Now being very kind and generous the Celtic fans once they had got the tickets gave the Porto fans 300 Euros in total .. Which was 50 Euro each when the ticket value was only 30 Euro ..
The look on the Porto fans faces when they got 300 Euro rather than 3,000 Euro was priceless ..
After getting angry for about 30 secs, the Porto fans were kindly invited to leave and did so quietly .. Justice was done !!

One thought about Seville ..

100,000 Celtic fans probably spend on average about £1,000 each = £100 Million ..

Back in 2003 we could have bought and owned our Club for about £20 Million ..

Today we could buy and own our Club for about £40 Million ..

Celtic Park .. 80,000 capacity ..

Built a new main stand and complete the stadium ..

Then put 30,000 rail seats for the full lower sections of the North Stand, Jock Stein Stand and the Lisbon Lions stand ..
This would also create a new 15,000 safe standing jungle in the bottom tier of the North Stand ..

So the TV cameras would see all 3 stands with standing sections in each of the bottom tiers ..

Cost of the stand .. I’m sure Dermot will be more than happy to pay for this as a gesture of goodwill to the Celtic support for making such an complete arse of things recently ..

big packy

MORNING ALL and JIM, mahe great article as usual, what a sight that was the stadium in seville, celtic supporters everywhere and no porto fans to be seen,

big packy

MAGUA
Big Packy

Reading a crackin’ book about the 4-2
game in 1979. We’re you at that game?
HI MAGUA no i was down here in cheshire saving up to get married the following year 1980, the last game against thems i went to was the cup final in 77, when andy lynch scored the penalty, but i dont know if its my auldheid, sorry auldheid 😎 but i swear i went to a game at parkhead round about 76/77 it was pouring rain, and i think kenny dalgleish scored for us, im probably mistaken but i remember kenny scoring.H.H.

Twisty

Mahe
Super read. I’m kinda busy this morning but I’d like to reply later when I can do your article justice.

Auldheid
From last night.
Again I’d like to respond later to the CST minutes/ update. Having only read it once, maybe I’m missing something as I’m a little surprised at the negative reaction, but I’ll read it over again later before responding.

Absolutely hammering down here today.

fan-a-tic

Mahe
We have the fans but sadly no will or vision from the present board.
Even when we had the CEO of BT business group Livingston on our board there was no attempt to improve the crap Celtic tv.
It’s the same with the underfunding of the football team to maintain corporate profit.
Simply put the charlatans are risk averse and have zero growth strategy as our income when Lawwell arrived to his departure demonstrated.
They won’t invest unless they have an instantly guaranteed return.
Even project prospect was buffered from loss by having existing valuable playing assets we could sell and cover up our folly with profit.

fan-a-tic

bada bing1
That was funny.
You have to feel for Christie who at one time was tipped as a potential great.
And now the fans are happy to see him depart with some justification.
His decline since Lennon took over has been staggering.

Friesdorfer

Superb Mahe, now that is the sort of strategic thinking that is all too sadly lacking.

Disappointed with the feedback from the meeting between the CT and the Board – but not at all surprised. As well as “male, pale and stale”, undoubtedly in complete denial. I really do despair for the short term. The new CEO has indeed a poisoned chalice to contend with.

HH

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

FAN-A-TIC

Even “Project Prospect” was doomed by their risk-averse nature. If the plan is to buy low and sell high,then it is a wonderful idea in principle-but it is doomed when the fundamentals are ignored.

One fundamental of it is a talented scouting system. Yet ours has been pulled apart and discarded many times over the years,so there is little continuity and the benefit brought to it by experience has been lost. The other fundamental lies in the one area that has our board running for the hills at the best of times,and that is price and wage inflation.

Why will a club pay £12m for a player who cost £1m/£2m only two years before? Why would a player leave a successful club where he is winning medals and international recognition to join a struggling team elsewhere? The answer lies in the inflationary reality of the football market elsewhere,and Celtic were well placed to take advantage.

Except…

They continued to buy at the bargain bucket,the £1m/£2m stall,instead of putting this new wealth to use via the more adventurous,lucrative and rewarding £4/£5m market. The one which would see the selling prices move past the £20/£30m marker.

And let’s be honest,the days of signing a Virgil or Vic for peanuts are well gone now,clubs everywhere have woken up to that. A player who might have moved for that a decade ago will be quoted at five or ten times that by his club now. And that is the market that we should have been a big part of,and could have been had we taken those incremental steps back then when we had our chance.

But no,we stuck with what worked in the past. With our heads stuck in the sand,oblivious to the world moving onwards and upwards-just like the transfer fees. With a 10 or 20yo business model which is as useful as a starting handle on a Tesla.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

FRIESDORFER

We can’t even hope to succeed,new CEO or not,with the modus operandi of the current one. That thinking has to be ditched,along with everyone who facilitated it. They are likely to be resistant to change,and will prove to be an obstacle which must be overcome. Easiest and most efficient way is not to change minds,but to change personnel.

Friesdorfer

BMCUWP
indeed…🥴

Morning all & Packy.

Great article Mahe. Re. the stadium, I would love to see it ‘finished’. It always looks 3/4 done to me. Build a new main stand in line with the rest of the stadium. Whilst they are at it, build an underground bus park and entrance (for team buses) which would allow us the means to host the Champion’s league final etc.
Capacity around 75 thousand+ ? Worried about atmosphere for lower attended games? On completion of the new stand, re-jig the seating arrangements with season ticket holders. Prioritise sales in the direction of the front rows upwards, taking into account fan’s preferences. I visualise a picture of the empty seats in lower attended games being the top rows of the top tiers.
If ST sales are around eg. 60k, bring back pay as you go tickets for the top rows. These tickets would likewise be sold from lower rows to upper prioritised.

This way, I think you would get the atmosphere of a full stadium with an eg 80% attendance.

Does that make any sense? LOL 🙂

Garry

Mahe
I was one of the lucky ones who got a ticket for Seville in the ballot. Had been to Blackburn and Liverpool away games in run to final.
The £22 I paid for Seville ticket, was the cheapest ticket I bought that season.
I reckon Celtic could have sold half a million tickets for that Final.

Garry

JTT53
I would love to see our Main Stand rebuilt to the level of the rest of the Stadium.
Adding 5000 seats would see capacity rise to 67,000, the same as the biggest Stadium in the country Murrayfield.
Get the product right on the pitch, and we would fill it every game.

Garry

BMCUW
That was a crackin track you posted by the genius Scott Walker.
Prompted me to listen to the whole album.
Wonderful start to my Friday, along with my Porridge, toast and coffees. Magic 👍💚

Garry, if I remember correctly there was a plan for a complete re build of the stadium, I saw a drawing of it – it looked wonderful. But Fergus was concerned that the higher capacity would only be needed for European nights, and dare I say it, old firm games.
Out with those games it might look ‘half empty’ and atmosphere might suffer. Hence my thoughts above.

Garry

JTT53
Yes Jim. That is why I said that we need to get the product on the pitch right.
Cheaper tickets for unemployed or low wage supporters should be looked at too.
Nobody on benefits or minimum wage with a family, can afford our ticket prices today.

Totally agree Garry, an increased capacity would be the ideal opportunity to accommodate lower priced tickets for disadvantaged supporters.

Garry, you are right of course we need to get things fixed on the pitch first and foremost. What I’m talking about is something for the future. In the spirit if Mahe’s article, Pondering Potential for Celtic.

Garry

JTT53
A project for our new CEO Dominic McKay to get his teeth into?

Aye maybe year 3 of his reign! 🙂

Garry

New Kings of Leon single.
Great wee tune.

https://g.co/kgs/BkGtXr

CaltonTongues

Seville tickets is it?
Got tickets for Blackburn & Liverpool but not final.
That’s why we got beat 😡

Seen Tommy Johnston and his two mates outside the stadium. Their other mate had gone in with their tickets and they were trying to get a hold of him. If I got a hold of him I would have took the tickets off him gave Tommy one and the other two to supporters who went every friggin week. Grrrr.

HH

CaltonTongues

Another thing that annoyed me about Seville tickets. When we realised there was no chance of getting in we headed to the Big Screen to watch. On route I saw a women coming off a supporters bus with two very young babies strapped to her chest. Surely to feck she didn’t get three tickets?

HH

McCaff

How can you estimate how many Celtic supporters would take a ticket for a Euro Final? Back in the mid-late 90s when Sky started broadcast on early afternoon Sundays and teatime Sundays I would have anywhere between 10 and 20 bodies in the house for a game, any game, but obviously more for Old Firm games. Less than half of us would have been Season Ticket holders but they’d all have bitten your hand off for a ticket for a game as big as Seville. The guys I played 5s with on a Sunday, from a squad of about 20 guys with maybe 4 Rangers supporters, none of them Huns mind you, and only a couple of CFC Season Ticket holders, all of them would take a ticket! It’s impossible to accurately call the numbers but the beauty of the question, Mahe, is in thinking about all the good times we’ve had over the years because that is exactly why we’re all here on this Blog. Our hopes and expectations are based on our previous successes, our past defines our future!
Hail Hail The Celts Are Here!!!
https://youtu.be/cdhNMBST4tU

McCaff

CT…you need to move on, mate! It’s eating you up!!! 🤣🤣🤣

McCaff

CT…I had a ticket and couldn’t go! I’ve still got it – in pristine condition, framed and hanging on the wall above the mantlepiece!!😉🤣🤣

CaltonTongues

McCaff

Ian Paisley x 3 😁

HH

McCaff

🤣🤣🤣

JimmynotPaul

BMCUW. 10.38.
Post of the day.
That’s exactly what has been happening.
The sad reality is the PLC appear blind to it.

Twisty

Auldheid

Hope you don’t mind me reposting your comments from yesterday evening. Makes it easier for me to reference.

Auldheid
Note of CST Meeting with Celtic.

The Chair and I met with Celtic on Wednesday. Here is a summary of the meeting.
Report back to members of the meeting with Celtic PLC on Wednesday 17 February 2021.
In attendance: David Low, Jeanette Findlay (Celtic Trust); Peter Lawwell, Michael Nicholson, Chris McKay, John Paul Taylor (Celtic PLC)
1. The Trust reps presented the two resolutions which had been passed by the Celtic Trust members on 26 January 2021. It was noted by us that, since that meeting, the retirement of Peter Lawwell had been announced and there had been a statement from the Chairman which did not provide any outcomes of the review which the Club had said they were carrying out.
In response to the first resolution which called for a root & branch review the Club said the following:
There are opportunities for the club to have a look at how we operate post-Peter Lawwell; consideration has been given to this for the last few years; they have taken into account what has happened over the last few months and noted, in particular that when things are not going well there is heightened scrutiny in terms of recruitment.
They indicated that they have some ideas and recommendations on how the club goes forward but as a club they are optimistic about the fundamentals of our club and, in their view, Celtic are a modern, progressive football club regarded as such by football in Scotland and Europe.
When asked for a timeline for the outcome of these deliberations they indicated that they were working towards expected changes to European competition focussing on making sure Celtic is relevant and has access and participates in whatever comes along. These changes are expected to happen in 2024 – they said they are limited in the information they can share but it does involve radical change and that this will become obvious in the next week or two – UEFA will be doing presentations around Europe.
They said that they cannot give us a timeline in relation to the internal review of operations which is currently being carried out but, when asked about the scope of the matters under consideration they indicated that it was football operations and how the club operates in terms of the executives. Trust reps pressed the Celtic reps on the question of whether the manager was likely to be in place next season. We were told that they would not answer that. We were told it will be a Board decision regarding any changes in personnel
They are not currently looking at the role of the NEDS (as requested by our members) but they agreed to take our serious concerns on board re the NEDs back to the Board and respond to us at our next meeting.
The Trust reps then raised the content of the second resolution which related to the shares held personally by Peter Lawwell. The reps indicated that we believe that executive salaries at Celtic PLC are excessive for the business they are in and that this call was for Peter Lawwell to give some of that back to the fans in the form of his shares which were part of his remuneration package. We were informed that there have been no shares allocated to PL as part of his salary package and that the only shares he owns are ones that he purchased personally and that he intends to retain them within his family.
2. In this item, the Trust reps asked the Celtic reps to provide some clarity on what the position will be re season tickets for this year and next year? We were told that:
• Last year is clear – people can still get their refunds.
• This year it is not clear and that they are currently working out how to approach this.
• They said that, in their view, there is no right for refunds for this year.
• They said that they could not give any clarity on what added value will look like because, at this point, they just don’t know.

The Trust reps said that in their estimation there is a potential £15-20 million value gap (cost of average ST less the value per head of the live stream times 50,000)

The Trust reps made it clear that, in our view, there is a moral and legal obligation to offer Celtic supporters a refund. However, we recognised the impact this would have on the team going forward and proposed an innovative and clever solution in the form of offering ST holders an option of shares in lieu of cash. This is in line with the resolutions passed at our January meeting and is possible given the resolutions on pre-emption rights passed in the December 2020 PLC AGM.
The Celtic reps agreed to take this proposal back to the Board for consideration and come back to us. CT reps stressed that there is a time constraint on this given the fast-approaching renewal date (although it is likely the renewal campaign will be later this year dues to Covid19 related uncertainty).
3. CT reps, under this item, asked for comments regarding the apparent differential treatment of Celtic and other clubs in relation to Covid breaches. There was a discussion of this but no conclusion was reached and no action point agreed or communicated to us.
4. CT reps, under this item, asked for comments regarding the club view on various controversial refereeing decisions within the Premier League. Again, a discussion was held and no firm action point was agreed or communicated to us.
5. We noted the launch on the Celtic website of the comprehensive set of FAQs for shareholders who have become disconnected from their shares. This was a Trust initiative, negotiated with the Club and we are very pleased that it is now there to help shareholders.
6. The Celtic reps initiated a discussion on matters relating to the Resolution 12 subject matter and stated that there has been and is ongoing discussion on regulatory issues and alleged shortcomings but that the rules and regulations of the relevant regulatory bodies of which Celtic is member demands a high level of member confidentiality and does not permit Celtic to relay this information in an uncontrolled manner.
Best wishes
Jeanette Findlay (Acting Secretary)

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Glad to see Res12ELEVEN! was raised and it looks like Celtic raised it. Not surprised at the line being taken as the issue of not applying the rules was caused by 5 Way Agreement that Celtic accepted so a lot of tip toeing through the tulips.

Lawwell was always the barrier to be hurdled and my hope is that after he has gone it will become in the Company’s and indeed Scottish football’s interest to come clean on the 5 Way Agreement and the damage to Scottish football integrity it has caused.

Formally recognising the next title that lot win as number 55 would be the last straw in that respect.

ASWGL

Another good leader Mahe with some thought provoking responses, most have said what i felt, in their earlier replies, get the team right and you’ll fix the attendance figures, get the pricing right and you’ll encourage more fans with lower allowances.

Do I hold out any hope for these requests, not a chance in hell while the Kellys and Whites Mark II are still in power. It will take a clear out of what’s rotten within “Our” club.

CST although I’m sure with good intent, appears toothless and willing to accept any old waffle this board give them as non answers, ergo they haven’t convinced me as of yet, that I should join or donate anything.

On a more pleasant note I spotted this earler

https://twitter.com/TheSFMonitor/status/1362380893386649602

bada bing1

I got my Seville ticket from Andy Roxburgh,long story…….the amount of guys who were absolutely blitzed inside the ground, was ridiculous, a waste of a ticket.

bada bing1

Back in the early Fergus days,I seen architect’s plans for the rebuild of New Celtic Park(copyright Fergus),which included the main stand with 2 tiers like the rest of the stadium.

Garry

Bada
I never had a drink on the day of the game in Seville. Was paranoid about losing my ticket.
It is probably why I can remember the day so well.

bada bing1

Elvis Mail 3.50 Kelso

Bet responsibly….

Por Cierto

Not only would rebuilding the Main stand increase attendance but they could do something special with the concourse which would bring in even more money, as it stands right now the catering is abysmal and they must be losing out on £1,000s of pounds every game. Maybe and Idea for the top section is more executive boxes, which could be opened up for events and maybe a restaurant/cafe/bistro on non-game days, underneath that a stand, with the front half capacity for ST’s the back half for pay as you go, that can be closed over with a screen when not full to capacity in say Cup games against lower teams, with a gigantic screen on the doors for even more advertising. The underground car park is also a great idea, which would earn us European Cup Finals. The options are incredible, por cierto.

ASWGL

BBC Alba Scotland women on a rugby score Vs Cyprus , currently winning by 10 goals

Currently the biggest ever doing Cyprus have received, However I don’t think Scotland are in danger of breaking their highest win performance of 17-0 against Lithuania

Twisty

Auldheid

On point 1.

I realise there is reason for disappointment in the fact they’ve nothing to report as such, despite telling us all there was to be a January review. However I do think there is room for optimism in the comment

“ There are opportunities for the club to have a look at how we operate post-Peter Lawwell”

Is this confirmation of the fact Peter Lawwell was, as we have suspected/discussed for years, the only voice that mattered since 2003? Was everyone on the board running scared of PL?

This comment however is total bullshit and frankly beggars belief

“ Celtic are a modern, progressive football club regarded as such by football in Scotland and Europe.”

Celtic are not even regarded as a modern progressive football club by the vast majority of their own fans. I’d hope the review of how we progress as a club post PL is far reaching enough to see us return to being respected in Europe.

Dominic Mackay has made great improvements to the Scottish rugby set up, and hopefully he will transfer that expertise to the football side of things.

This is another reason why delaying his appointment is bewildering. He needs to be part of any such reviews and having PL still there is as damaging as it is nonsensical.

I will however hang on to my earlier thought that there is perhaps hope in the fact that some sort of ‘post Peter ‘ review is thought necessary.

The European restructuring which we hear is going to become public imminently, is also interesting. When that comes out, the implications it holds for us will need to be considered.
I hope the CT will be giving it an equal amount of consideration and ensure they bring this matter back to the table at their next meeting.

Question at this point?

Are minutes taken at these meetings and action items listed with responsibilities allocated?

NEDS

To be answered at next meeting. Fine.

PL shares.
So they were bought by him personally. Like it or not, he is perfectly entitled to retain them within his family. Anyone with a sense of moral decency would have considered the trust request, and even offered a % to the trust as a thank you to the support. The support which has seen him leave Celtic a very, very wealthy man. As I say. Anyone with a sense of decency. I think that answers why he didn’t feel the need to show a generosity, financially or spiritually.
Not much the board can do on that. They’re not going to pressure a man they clearly run scared of.

Point 2

Shares as a trade off for refunds.

They’ve said they’ll come back on it. Fine. Let’s hear the response.

3. Covid treatment

“ there was a discussion on this and no conclusion reached”

What were the details of the discussion? What was the boards response? Hard to offer any sort of opinion without hearing the details?

4. Referees

As point 3. What was discussed?

The remaining issue of res 12/11. You say it looks like Celtic may have initiated this. If they did, does that not strengthen my thinking that “ post Peter”, there may be a more cooperative environment about to burst out?

I take the point that there are some disappointing aspects reported, but I honestly don’t feel it’s all negative.
Maybe I’m hanging my hopes on too liberal a reading between the lines, and time will tell if that’s so. For now though, I’ll await the detail of the next meeting by which time the European restructuring will be known and Celtic can deliver their thinking.

Twisty

Sorry can I just clarify;

When asking about minutes being taken, I didn’t mean by the CT, obviously they do.

I meant does someone at Celtic take them too?

ASWGL

Twisty I’m tempted to say that Celtic would keep a meticulous record of the minutes and they are promptly filed under F-L (Fsckin Lost)

McCaff

On the subject of pricing…it always struck me that there must be a Ticket Pricing Cabal at work in the UK.
When the kids were younger and we took them out for a day trip the price for an attraction; Blairdrummond Safari Park, Edinburgh Zoo, Loch Lomond Aquarium, Deep Sea World, Dynamic Earth, The Science Centre etc the cost of entry was more or less the same at every venue. A family ticket for any of these attractions was between £65 and £75, and that was the only to get in, it didn’t include a visit to the cafe or the gift shop. Having 3 kids a Day Out was a bit of a treat! What I always wondered about was HOW could the prices be so similar when the attractions and facilities were so different, particularly in relation to Dynamic Earth and the Science Centre versus the zoo and safari park which had such obvious huge outlays! A trip to the cafe and gift shop could easily double or treble your costs for the day!
And then we come to fitba…a day out for my family of 5, if I could encourage the wummin to come, would cost in the region of £27 per adult and say £15 for under 13, not under 16 or 18. That’s an estimate of £99, between 25 and 33% more! Again not including a bite to eat or a visit to the Superstore where a kid’s tee-shirt, not Official Kit mind you, will cost about £15. Double that if you want an Adidas tee shirt! Treble that if you want a replica top! Quadruple that if you want a replica kit!!

big packy

AFTERNOON ALL and JIM, my late great uncle packy would have been 88 today god rest him, im pretty sure he would still be here today, but for kneeling on his knees shoveling coal at bedlay colliery from age 14, till mrs thatcher closed it, he never drank nor smoked, mass every sunday, and when his knees gave up the local priest at st micheals in moodiesburn came to his house to say the sacrements, this was a story my uncle packys mate pat morrison told me years and years ago, they were waiting in the queue at hampden, celtic rangers game, might even have been the 7-1 game, hot day and as you probably know the dust at hampden well then, was all over the place, someone had a screwtap, now for all you young ghuys thats a bottle of beer😎 anybody want a drink, now packy had a terrible drooth on him, sorry thurst 😎 aye gie it here, he scoffed the bottle in one go😎the guy says hey i said take a wee swally, not drink the fuckin whole boatle, my uncle packy, 6foot 2 inches and built like a brick shithouse says, you offered me a drink and i took it ,the guy stares into packys eyes and says awright jimmy no problem son😎 another true story,H,H,

ASWGL

The moral of that story being hide yer drink when the packy family are aboot 😍

I wasn’t expecting too much from that CST meeting.
Peter Lawwell is still in place and the new guy is still to arrive. We are in Limbo.

As for on the pitch stuff, I can only hope that discussions are taking place behind the scenes.

With Dermot Desmond & Dominc McKay.
With Dominic McKay and possible new DOFs.
Thereafter, with the new DOF and possible new managers/coaches.
So that what appears to be quick decisions can be made early doors in July.

Garry

BP
I am amazed that your uncle never got whacked on the napper with the empty bottle?

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

BIGPACKY

I canny drink properly from cans or bottles,I just seem to sip from them. Different when it comes in a glass,thankfully! Strange thing is,a pint will normally last me 30-40 minutes,but if anyone is stupid enough to get me a half-pint,I tell them that’s a “moothfie”,down it in a gulp and tell him to get me a pint,tight bastert.

Anyway,in order to save my liver,I don’t drink from glasses in the house!

Mahe

Gday troops.
Hope all are well. God bless all those with health issues or less fortunate than ourselves.

Seeking couple volunteers for the podcast. If you fancy a Celtic chat about 8pm tomorrow night let me know pls.

Hail Hail

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