The King is dead, long live the King !

He’s a lifelong fan of the club and always will be. After making the transition from stands to player he left it all on the field, a natural leader who never knew fear or if he did it never showed.
He gave the best years of his career to his beloved Glasgow Celtic, and once the boots were hung up like a true Tim he gravitated back to his one true love in a coaching capacity only to reach the very top position.
With that, his name joined a very small list of those true Tim’s who have done it all,, supporter, player, and manager.
Well done John Kennedy on getting what must be your dream job and best of luck Sir.
 
Spookily, the above also holds true for the man he will replace, who couldn’t turn down the job for obvious reasons but ended up overstaying his welcome. Part of me is glad the support didn’t play much involvement with this parting by way of huge protests. Yes there were two small gatherings, but apart from handbags at the barrier and a few hastily scrolled banners, the support have more or less been innocent bystanders in Neil’s implosion.
 
This makes me very happy. The claim of bloodlust just doesn’t stand up when he was clearly given much more time at the helm than others who hadnt delivered such a poor points return. It’s clear he had extra time in the dugout, I mean this is almost March, we haven’t best a top 6 team since late September and we find ourselves in a fight for third at current pace. The parting was well earned, and well overdue, and I posit if there’s any parties can walk away here with a modicum of respect it’s the support who didn’t rebel but watched the car crash wondering when, instead of giving into bloodlust, thank you.
 
Another (spooky) fact that ties the two Tim’s mentioned above is that they are both unfulfilled potential in my (maybe many) eyes. One on the pitch, the other off it. John had the potential to go all the way, and now has a fantastic stage to showcase his management abilities. Neil fulfilled his playing potential, but the man once dubbed ‘one of Britain’s brightest young managers’ never kicked on after looking to have managerial qualities.
 
In his very first stint in management he took the scalp of the mighty Barcelona delivering an iconic night for the club, but both the necessary mentality and structure was not in place for him to move up a level. Shunning cutting edge training and analytics in favour of a more old school approach should be no surprise given the names he played under, men whose style he prefers to imitate. He then placed the immediacy of victories over long term growth by ignoring youth almost altogether. He’s not the first to feel winning today is better than planning for tomorrow, only a confident long term visionary can embrace the best of both worlds.
After being badgered from above, a common occurrence on Kerrydale Street, he would have walked away fairly confident in his abilities to eek out a career given the success under his belt.
That confidence was misplaced, hindsight now tells us fielding a better quality of player than the opposition was his main ace in the hole. A perfect ace for the biggest team in a backwater though if they are talented, hungry, and responsive to your motivation.
 
The Lenny we got second time around was a very different man than we had seen during that first stint though.
I said it at the time, he was setup to fail, the perfect fall guy. And so it has proved.
 
The season from hell will be analyzed from here to kingdom come, with each drawing their own conclusions over the root causes.
My top three in no particular order,,
1,, He removed the goals from our side. Odsonne Edouard at this moment in time is not suited to lead the line. He comes too deep, isn’t mobile enough for that job though he might have the great touch thats needed. During the successful Dubai trip the coaching staff cottoned onto the sole fact he needs another striker to play ahead of him, ideally mobile to catch the through ball. It worked, he was paired with a leading the line Griff and we romped to the ninth title in a row.
Yes Griff has been a write-off bit to go back to just Eddy is criminal.
If none of Griff, young hungry Polish workhorse, or Marko Viduka Mk2 were up to the task of leading the line, then a strong manager would have demanded someone who was.
That should have been his line in the sand, even if we ended up with Nisbet or Longshanks.
 
2,,allowing himself to be isolated.
At his peak he had his trusted lieutenants, which if truth be told wasn’t diverse enough. They were very similar in age and playing experience, had peaked under a Martin in his peak, so were always bound to believe somewhat in his methods. They weren’t worldly enough, no one brought anything different to the table, and they themselves had habits the modern professional looks down upon.
But they had each other, the collective knowledge of what was required after walking out that tunnel, and they also had a free shot at the title for a while, any management teams dream.
 
Mk2 Lenny should never have accepted the conditions offered, no Ill will at all to John and Damian or Gavin.
Celtic wanted him at the time, we know this now from Dermots comments about having their eye on him as he ticked all the boxes. Neil failed to capitalize on the cards he held,,when offered the job in the showers he should have told the world he had his own conditions of acceptance and would enter into negotiations.
He took what he was offered full stop, maybe proving the old adage love is blind.
 
3,,,convincing players to stay.
This is public knowledge now, he personally convinced a few to stick around for this historic campaign.
Once again hindsight is a wonderful thing, for yes there have been players persuaded to stay who went on to win the Baloon D’or (Christiano Ronaldo at United) so I’m hesitant to use this as a stick to beat Lenny with,,BUT,,
Probably the biggest reason for any very foreigner to join and play was off the table, this surely should have made a dramatic difference to the footballing department s outlook on keeping players who had expressed a desire to leave.
Think about it for a second, right now someone like Odsonne is being asked to work, live and sleep in a complete bubble in a foreign land, you’re not allowed out of your region never mind into your home country, you’ve no family around and any that do get sick you cant up sticks and visit, you’re not learning under this manager, and the atmosphere that made you sign and fall in love in the first place is gone gone gone.
Yes the chap has a local lassie, but given the extremely hard circumstances we are asking foreigners to endure is it any surprise some just check out then bail out ala Ncham, El Hamed, Frimpong?
Hindsight now tells us we should have let them go home to deal with this pandemic and empty stadium phase were they are comfortable, and filled our ranks with the best of local talents in their stead.
Does anyone reading think we would have been worse off with Gallagher, Porteus, Gauld, and Nisbet in the squad instead of the wantaways?
As a club we should learn big lessons here on when to trade and when to keep.
 
With his departure Neil becomes the second high profile casualty of the disastrous 10 campaign,,and it would be a travesty if Bankiers head didn’t roll to make it three. There’s very few of us would say no when Glasgow Celtic come knocking, in that respect he earns my sympathy, his love of the club was clearly his weak spot to be exploited, and it so cruelly was.
No team can expect to introduce six new first team players at once while some of the others wished to leave, and not encounter big problems. Especially in an empty stadium.
A poor manager placed in an impossible situation, set up to fail.
Ten was never on our PLC’s agenda, the Lurgan lightening rod was deemed the perfect deflector shield. Wasn’t enough to fully deflect from the CEO though, he’s a success in that regard.
 
There’s very few of us will ever come close to going through half of what the man has went through , all whilst battling an unseen disease, but ultimately the club must come first and it must always be bigger than just one man, no matter who.
 
Good luck Neil, You’ll Never Walk Alone.

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Garry

CT
Tell him there are folk in Clydebank that want a swatch of their banner. 😜😂🍀🇮🇪

óglach

Point of order bhoys. Republican paramilitaries never used handheld SAMs. Their preferred AA weapon was the Ruski 12.7mm DShK HMG.

Pedant CSC

Garry

TET
As you say, none of us know the thoughts of the suits. All we can do is speculate on the little morsels they feed us.

voguepunter

óglach
AA Ruski 12.7mm DShK HMG in the skyyyyy…..no got the same ring to it.

Saltires en Sevilla

TET

Appreciated buddy- noticed you had returned recently. Adding good value chat, as ever!

Hope you are all keeping well.

Auldheid

A thing of beauty and TET

Auldheid,

If Dermot Desmond has any interest in the bottom line he needs to appoint a top manager because the price for keeping PL in situ is going to cost him 25000 season books next season. If that happens we are in a downward spiral and it’ll go on for years.
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I think the issue is deeper than that. Will he spend millions to keep pace with a club who are essentially operating as a franchise as in debt is not the end as the debt gets put into liquidity land along with the company that “owns” the club, but the club carries on with what as a penalty? X points deducted when the debt gives them a 25 point lead over the majority of their opponents?

There will be more on the idea of a club incorporated since 1899 suddenly becoming a owner, a concept used in the 5 Way Agreement to define “Rangers” as a shareholder in the SPL:

“A Share may only be issued, allotted, transferred to or held by a person who is the owner and operator of a Club and if a Member shall cease to be the owner and operator of a Club then such Member shall cease to be entitled to hold a Share.”

Who exactly “owns” the club if it cannot play with SFA approval? Does that make the SFA the franchise “owner” like McDonalds and the clubs McDonald outlets?

I believe that it is more to Celtic’s benefit to agree limits of non football income (call it domestic FFP) than try to match debt by punting on players or managers.

Not to do so is to throw away the financial but legal advantage Fergus provided by increasing stadium size and as long as Celtic are limited by allowing debt to be a major factor in deciding who wins titles then we are playing with our football laces lied together.

Either we challenge the franchise that the Five Way introduced or we, i.e DD dips into his wallet and does what you are suggesting. If he does not we stand to lose where other factors e.g refereeing also work against us.

“Soccernomics” by Simon Kuper & a co author points out that the team that spends most generally wins most (assuming the spend is wise of course), the past 9 years show that ,but in Scotland actually having the money to spend appears not to be the constraint it should be because there is no ultimate deterrent to overspending.

There is a key phrase in UEFA FFP Article 12 I believe the 5 Way is at odds with.

It says in short

“ Any change to the legal form, legal group structure (etc) of a licence applicant during this period to the detriment of the integrity of a competition … is deemed an interruption of membership. (As in if the change is to dump debt your membership of your national association ends and you need a NEW one (which could be the one the old club lost) that UEFA will recognise after 3 years. (Hence Traverso use of term “NEW club/company”)

It is therefore my belief that the 5 Way Agreement was to the detriment of the integrity of football competition in Scotland, a belief I think UEFA would share if the 5 Way were scrutinised.

Perhaps this is the real reason the SFA would not take the case of non compliance in 2011 to CAS last May? Fear of scrutiny?

Having accepted the 5 Way Agreement you have to wonder why Celtic denied they had as it disadvantages Celtic if the sky is the debt limit for the opposition and ours is around zero.

Just another Oooops by the CEO?

Mahe

Saltires,
Appreciate the hat tip pal. I was never for hatcheting the scapegoat. It’s the puppet masters deserve that.
Stay in touch pal, always here, things are about to get real interesting . Best posters by a country mile indeed 😉

Hail Hail

SES
I wouldn’t have a patch on you mi amigo
…………………..
Auldheid
Good stuff as usual, but correct me if I am wrong, was it not Celtic who refused-or was given the operchancity to go to CAS ?

Brendan getting out Brendaned

CaltonTongues

Looks like Sparta about to pap Leicester out, 2 nil down at home.

I wonder what low ranking/covid infected/under new management team the huns will get next?

HH

Garry

TET
2-0 Slavia now.

Got a nice treble up last night, gave it all back to the bassas tonight,
Aye Fan, how right you are about BR and his limitations, in saying that, his players are brutal tonight, they are nothing like they normally are

Garry

CT
FFS
That’s like calling us Rangers. 😂🤣

CaltonTongues

I think we should try and sign Sparta’s No. 17 – Provod 😁
Commentators making excuses now.

HH

I am watching it Garry, they are nothing like they are in the EPL, it’s weird, it really is

Garry

TET
It is as though they don’t want to win.
No energy. Nothing. Very strange

CaltonTongues

Garry,

How very dare you 😁

TET,

Going out tonight will help finish in top 4 of EPL, that’s the prize.

HH

Saltires en Sevilla

Auldheid

It’s a real comfort to know you are all over this stuff. Your patience & tenacity is truly admirable.

Remember responding to you on another channel, when you advised the group that the ball might be on the slates/ or long grass ( not your words…just my impression at the time)

Recall feeling deflated and mentioned ‘suddenly feeling very old’… expectations had been high!

Are you ever feeling inclined to calling for an outright bhoycott- acknowledge it’s not really your style And I’m sure you have explained why that isn’t the preferred option. Aims would have to be clear and achievable etc.

Perhaps it crosses your mind … occasionally?

Garrry-CT
Aye, it may well be the prize, but it’s so so unlike them, it’s like when we play in Europe, we keep giving the ball away, it infuriates the life out of me, we don’t do it domestically, but as soon as we go into Europe we resort to WTF pish, I can’t fathom it out and trust me, I have tried and tried.

JNP

Just watched the docu. fae last night. Much appreciated.

Oglach

Seem to remember a big feck-off mural in Barcroft Estate, Newry celebrating the Bhoys down the road, giving it laldy wae the very thing ye were talking about…ahem!!

Hail Hail.

CaltonTongues

TET,

Was switching between games tonight so didn’t see all of Leicester game but noticed Maddison was out injured. Excellent player.
Missed finish in Milan game, looked like Red Star were fuming about something at the end.

HH

Garry

CT
Aye. Good point. But it wisnae Sparta. 😁

Garry

Magua
John Fallon was looking well on the show. 👍💚🍀

fan-a-tic

Calton Tongues
Slavia Prague have been owned by a Chinese conglomerate since 2015.
They were known as the intellectuals team but were mostly second to Sparta Prague.
Chinese investment has changed the natural order.
There was talk of the Chinese withdrawing financial support due to a sanctions spat by the two countries in 2018.
Their coach who is linked with us and their players are probably out of our price range.
Have been to a few derby matches between them and Sparta and though Slavia often lost their support was much noisier.

CaltonTongues

Garry & fan-a-tic,

Apols, Slavia, that’s what happens when switching between games plus auld age 😁

HH

Garry

CT
Why I said it is like calling us Rangers. 😁😂

Here’s a thought.

Recently, while listening to the Rebs on utube, a pop up message fae the Polis appears saying: STOP IT NOW-as if the CAPITAL letters make any difference.

Perhaps if my chosen music was Loyalist anthems, would a pop-up message appear saying: LISTEN NOW.?? or else…

PolicescotlandarenonsectarianCSC.

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THETIC

Sorry about you log-in problems,mate. Same to everyone else who has experienced this. We struggle with the issue as there are no obvious reasons for it,and unless it happens to one of the admin tem-that way we can go into settings and sort it!-we are puzzled!

Garry

The man is a legend. FFS what is he now… late 70s. Still going strong. HE will never be defeated.

Hail Hail.

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MAGUA

You’re kidding?!!! Really? That’s bloody disgraceful!

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

GARRY

Slavia Prague rose to prominence under a former Celt-who played in our first ever match!

Johnny Madden,as told in his usual way by BRT&H

https://broganrogantrevinoandhogan.wordpress.com/2015/09/25/the-tale-of-lubo-and-joe-and-the-old-man-in-the-park/

Mahe

SES,,
“Are you ever feeling inclined to calling for an outright bhoycott”
I’ve been shoving the speech into his hands for years!

BMCUW

Not kidding in the slightest. Though trying to scrounge a movie or 2 through, other avenues may have something to do wae it. But has only appeared wae the Rebs.

Feck it, I’m gonna try for the Billy Boys and see what happens… what’s the worst they can do? On second thoughts, wae Helen St. just up the road, mibees I should go on the run? If I wisnae a decrepit fecker.

See yez the morra…or mibee not!!

TicToc

Really sorry to have NOT responded to some very welcoming comments from you Tims recently.
It didn’t work out the (perhaps obvious) means to do this.
So, I thank all of you whom made me feel very welcome,
and tht was much all of you.
Mahe, to run a terrific site, just as Ralph
Drunk, Lostus Plotus (as my Greek ancestors, having been swamped in Rhetsina-land)

Still can’t figure out the new scum’s existence, but wait……………..
One Can fool………………a horrid old cunt, but not alone.

TicToc

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Mahe

Many thanks Sir but it’s the posters make a site, we would be nothing without them.
Fantastic bunch but that Mc Caff can talk,, 😉

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TICTOC

It’s nothing personal,just a glitch-as I pointed out an hour or so ago. MAHE has contacted our site manager about it.

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THETIC

Sorry about you log-in problems,mate. Same to everyone else who has experienced this. We struggle with the issue as there are no obvious reasons for it,and unless it happens to one of the admin team-that way we can go into settings and sort it!-we are puzzled!

February 25, 2021 10:30 pm

TicToc

Okay, not easy bein’ thick and getting things a wee bit wrong.
Thanks to all on here and every Celtic FC supporter the world over, and Hail! Hail!

Auldheid

The Exiled Tim
SES
I wouldn’t have a patch on you mi amigo
…………………..
Auldheid
Good stuff as usual, but correct me if I am wrong, was it not Celtic who refused-or was given the operchancity to go to CAS ?
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The whole bloody point of Res11 at last AGM was that THE SFA refused to take the matter to CAS and in response Celtic, to justify not taking the abandoned case of non compliance to UEFA (Res12 2013) said they would engage with the relevant authorities on the abandonment of their judicial process.

You are forgiven as many folk appear to have misinterpreted the outcome of Res11 at last AGM. including the CST but they since decided they would monitor Celtic on progress on that engagement and indeed raised it at a recent meeting. The answer was confidentiality meant Celtic could not say anything, so the pressure needs to be kept up and the threat of delaying renewal of STs until progress is reported is the best lever we have.

For me its simple. I have seen enough evidence in respect of both Celtic and SFA to believe the game is rigged and Im fecked if Im going to pay for the delight of watching that mob of cheats doing a victory huddle at Celtic Park.

Tic Tic

Hail Hail my good man.

Up The Celts

LawwellisanorangebastardCSC

Auldheid

Saltires en Sevilla
Auldheid

It’s a real comfort to know you are all over this stuff. Your patience & tenacity is truly admirable.

Remember responding to you on another channel, when you advised the group that the ball might be on the slates/ or long grass ( not your words…just my impression at the time)

Recall feeling deflated and mentioned ‘suddenly feeling very old’… expectations had been high!

Are you ever feeling inclined to calling for an outright bhoycott- acknowledge it’s not really your style And I’m sure you have explained why that isn’t the preferred option. Aims would have to be clear and achievable etc.

Perhaps it crosses your mind … occasionally?
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Good to see your name come up.

There is simply no appetite for a boycott because the anger for one is not because the game is rigged but because the team/The Board have failed to be good enough to make the rigging not matter.

There is enough evidence to indict the SFA, the SPL/SPFL AND Celtic on the Res12 Archive at http://www.res12.uk

Here is a link to just one document that should have supporters/shareholders demanding answers from Celtic about not involving the police

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uJd5k_vlBSE5rWBhhIcbAzsAapu7j2Y2/view

but I guess it gets lost like teardrops in the rain amongst all of the other documents including this one to Lawwell on engaging with LNS in 2018 after the Craig Whyte trial.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tTX1Fp1yg5TQx7DnFV6l2ABfuOK31BjU/view

It does not help that the main stream media have avoided the issue like the plague.

It will be interesting to see if the SFA or SPFL formally recognise or congratulate Rangers FC Ltd on their first or 55th title.

If they do, Celtic could get approval from shareholders to publish the UEFA Traverso letter of 8th June 2016 copied to them that calls the applicant for a UEFA Licence from Ibrox in 2016 as a NEW club/company, as will the SFA also copied in although their Head of Communications allowed a different version omitting the reference to “new” to be published by STV.

That approval letter can be published on social media.

Its more my style LOL.

Tried to delete my uncharitable post at 11.41 pm. But was like that fecker Lawwell not trying to be a thieving bastard… impossible.

FeckofoutofityabassaCSC

Garry

Magua
Aye. Bad post. Heyho. Everyone makes them.
One thing Peter Lawwell is not.

Garry

Song for Neil Lennon.
Thanks for the many great memories you have given us.

https://g.co/kgs/zqVV9w

Garry

GNGB Folks
A song for us all.

https://g.co/kgs/fSANv9

óglach

MAGUA
JNP

Just watched the docu. fae last night. Much appreciated.

Oglach
Seem to remember a big feck-off mural in Barcroft Estate, Newry celebrating the Bhoys down the road, giving it laldy wae the very thing ye were talking about…ahem!!
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A chara the artist obviously used ‘artistic license’ cause it never ever happened. PIRA was supposed to have a grand total of 1 SAM supplied by Gadafi but that has never been verified. Many attempts by Republican paramilitaries to acquire both American & Soviet-made ‘Man-portable air-defense systems’ AKA handheld SAMs were made but they were unable to despite their best efforts. If I recall correctly there were a couple of Irish American engineers working at NASA who were jailed in the 70’s for trying to develop a cheap ‘Homemade’ SAM system for PIRA. The very few Brit helicopters that were brought down or damaged during the conflict was a result of HMG fire
If the Provo’s had SAMs they would have used them in ‘bandit country’.

As an aside, I don’t like the SAM song at all.😃

HH

Garry

Just for Oglach.
I like this wee ditty mate. 😊

https://g.co/kgs/fdsXHS

Mahe