Whats the chances?

Morning,all.
 
Two weeks from now and we will be well into the best four days of the calendar year for those of us who love the jumps. Those who prefer life without its hurdles will,of course,look forward to Royal Ascot in June. Both have been ticked off my bucket list already,and I tend to at least try to have a few quid set aside for them as I attempt to take the bookies on.
 
God loves a trier,after all. Though He’s been making a good job of pretending recently that He isn’t actually that interested!
 
The bookies too,love a trier-especially one who actually isn’t that lucky. I flatter myself that I am,that I am way ahead of the ledger over the years. And even if I’m not,the big wins are important while the occasional ten or twenty on a Saturday isn’t missed-and that is something that only makes sense to regulars in a betting shop! So following on from MAHE’s excellent article yesterday about how football is eating itself,I thought I would share a wee titbit about the gambling-especially as it came hot on the heels of some serious Cheltenham news!
 
Monday night,the only game of any significance was Everton v Southampton. The latter have been in a dreadful run of form,but Everton aren’t much better at the moment. The prices weren’t that attractive,given that the bet was on two out of form teams,so I didn’t bother. BetVictor weren’t inclined to give up on me though,and offered me various options soon afterwards,my mail inbox being splattered with offers.
 
One which caught my eye was their BetBuilder. I actually mailed them about that around two years ago,pointing out that it was an illegal bet. Seems the laws have changed. The reason I know it is-or was-an illegal bet is because I put a bet builder on DECADES AGO!
 
1987 FA Cup Final,I was working in South Shields. Football on the telly,but Spurs v Coventry? Who CGAF about that-certainly not me! Except…
 
Clive Allen had scored about 40 goals that season,he was 6-1 for the first goal. Me being me,I figured out how to make a profit from that-and have an interest for the whole game! The bookie next door to the pub was an independent,so I offered him the following slip.
 
Allen first goal,6/1
Spurs/Draw,22/1
2-2,22/1
 
3x£1 singles,3x50p doubles and a 50p treble.
 
He told me to GTF,that’s an illegal bet-betting on the same event. I said it was the equivalent of an win,forecast and tricast. He told me to come back in an hour,he would see what he could do. And what he did was take the bet for a quid,not a fiver,and at 4/1,14/1 and 14/1-IIRC,not sure as it was a long time ago. I remember how much the payout was though.
 
Well,if Allen scored first I still got my money back-and that was the whole point of the bet! I’d found a way to beat the bookies!!!
 
(I hadn’t actually. I forgot about the tax)
 
So there I am in a pub in Geordieland cheering on the southerners-for all of two minutes until Allen scored! Think I got away with that one… Then cheering them on again after Coventry had equalised-and calling Cyrille Regis a big fouling bugger when he scored just before half time,fortunately it was ruled out. I damned near hit the roof shortly after when Gary Mabbutt put Spurs in front!!!
 
Not many Spurs fans around here,said the guy next to me at the bar at half time. Eh? I’m not a Spurs fan! Wheey,ya fooking sound like one!
 
I told him I might surprise him in the second half-and I did. Because I’d spent most of the first half cheering on Spurs-it was one each after ten minutes-but I now needed Coventry to score. So for twenty minutes or so,I’m cheering them on,with a pub full of Geordies wondering if my drink has been spiked! And once the equaliser goes in,I start demanding that defenders break bloody legs,don’t let anyone get a shot away!!!
 
You’ll gather I got my bet up,and I explained the situation to the lads around me. Then in comes the bookie-no night racing back then-and hands me £141.30. £157 less the tax. And I was actually apologetic about it! Sorry,illegal bet,thanks for taking it,feel guilty,etc.
 
Not at all,mate. I saw what you did and why-laid it off and put a ton on over the phones. It’s me that’s buying you a drink.
 
Now,what’s that got to do with anything? Well,remember all these mails on Monday night? I was betting on the important aspects of that match-the result. First goal,half time score were crucial too-but there was little that I or anyone else could do to influence any of it. Particularly not when the whole country was watching it live on TV. But there are nearly 200 bets now available on matches,and that includes all the ones that aren’t shown live. How many corners or free kicks,how many red or yellow cards. A specific player to be carded. All of these are highly manipulable,and will largely slip under the radar. Even a penalty is little surprise these days,depending on which team you put the money on.
 
And there’s the rub,the big question. Who have you put the money on? Who had a reason to release an old photo which shows Gordon Elliott in such a bad light-and why now? Has someone perhaps put a wedge on Willie Mullins-blameless himself,I hasten to add-and laid off large against Elliott on the exchanges? Taken the evens on Mullins and given threes on Elliott on say BetFair? Maybe doubled and trebled on Aintree and Punchestown?
 
I think Elliott has been stitched up-but that is not my point. My point is about the betting markets. How easily manipulable they are these days. There isn’t anything to stop a years old photo being leaked,and wrecking a sporting festival,destroy a whole year of the sport. There isn’t anything that stops someone giving a wee extra corner kick or yellow card either.
 
And in Scotland,there’s nothing that stops you from having a gambling problem and a season ticket for a certain club,then being awarded nearly a grandsworth of betting slips to referee your favourite club!
 
Football will eat itself? It’s serving itself up on a platter to the bookies.
 

Above article by BMCUWP

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JimmynotPaul

BMCUW. 4.07.
Thanks Mick, I was starting to think I was losing it.

big packy

JIM/ BOBBY thats not the answer i was looking for, is it not true, partly true, or none of the above😎😎😎

None of the above 🙂

big packy

JIM, you know me so well😎

Garry

Bada
I have kept an eye on him because I know the family in Clydebank. Ross is a couple of inches shorter than Hazard, but is a more assertive, aggressive goalie in my opinion. Think the Bankie Bhoy deserves a chance.

Mahe

Howdy folks,
Some great yarns, but that’s the usual on the best Celtic site going.

My bookies story is a bit different but true.
My mate Paddy Youngs da had broken his leg, was on crutches with the big plastercast.
He was standing in the local bookies passing the hours with about 5 or 6 other punters when a gang in balaclavas burst in.
“PIRA this is a robbery. Everyone on the floor!”
Paddy’s da drops the crutches, holds the table and starts trying to maneuver himself onto the floor, awkward because of the big plastercast of course.
One of the wooly faces sees him struggling and says to him,,
“It’s alright Terry, you can stay standing.”
When the cops heard this from the office worker who was robbed they grabbed Terry, straight up to Castlereagh for a two day beating demanding names for he clearly knew the local active service unit, because they knew him according to the cops logic.

Fella breaks his leg and can’t work only to get a major kicking for doing nothing but placing a bet or two!
No wonder he hit the sauce hard.
Gambling was very bad for his health!!

Hail Hail

Mahe

Bada, Hazard is very young, makes sense to tie him down long term. A loan next season I expect. He could come good, and cost buttons.
The maturity he needs will come with age and responsibility.

Hail Hail

big packy

OK now this is a story for solkitts, had delivered to the festival park then went onto the bridge, down the M23 delivered at haywards heath just off the M23, in fact haywards heath is just opposite the big showjumping track which name escapes me😎drove down the M23 as you got to brighton you could see the white houses in the distance, yes white houses ,another true story, anyway i got to portsmouth and i was starving stopped at the mcdonalds could not go in to the car park because of the truck so parked outside ,was eating my double sausage and egg mac something or other😎with 2 hash browns, suddenly a small hatchback pulls up alongside me,2 young ladies of ill repute start showing me their wares, i got out of their pronto FFS im a married man,.i did throw them my phone number but alas they never replied😎😎another true story😎

Mahe

Twists the edit button disappears after a while. Comments can only be edited for either 30mins or one hour after posting them.

Hope all well.
Up the Dead Rabbits 😉

Garry

BP
Have you ever been over to Isle of Wight.
My son and I are planning on going there this September for the Isle of Wight Festival. Is the ferry from Portsmouth or Southampton?

Horses not a clue, but least we forget.
27 years ago today the Bank of Scotland wanted a guarantee of £1million within 24 hours or they would begin the process of winding up the club affairs.

big packy

GARRY, never been but im pretty sure you get the ferry from portsmouth 👍 you know something garry ,i delivered to IBM at portsmouth every week for about 5 years, but never went into the town, had no time it was deliver, then back home, it was only when wee joan had a dog grooming seminar in portsmouth and i took her there, i had 5 hours to kill so i went into portsmouth and the harbour area for the first time, another true story,👍

Garry

Mahe
Conor Hazard is 23 on Friday.
Ross Doohan will be 23 in a couple of weeks.
I think they are both getting beyond the young keeper tag and the loan out days. Why Bain is our number 1 just now astonishes me.

Garry

BP
Thanks.
Have never been in Portsmouth.
Been in Southampton. Thought it was a lovely town.

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BIGPACKY

When I worked for a company that made industrial light fittings back in the 90s,I was usually overnighting on Tuesdays and Thursdays. About once a month,I got sent on the trip from hell on the Mondays. I was based in Sutton,which is like 6 o’clock on the M25,and off I would jolly well trot to Brighton.

Well,that isn’t difficult-as you say,a wee jaunt down the M23 etc. The difficult part was the other drops. I had to go to Ashford and Canterbury,which was cross country via the A28. Bloody hell,it was bad enough at the best of times but during the spring and autumn it was waist-deep in bloody tractors!

Brighton is a smashing place. I liked it so much that I hated leaving it every month-because I knew what was in front of me!

And btw,it was usually a tractor…

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GARRY

Southampton for the ferry to IoW,mate.

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I also had to go to Eastbourne now and again,down the same neck of the woods. I found out that Hampden Park railway station isn’t in Glasgow!

Garry

BMCUW
Even better thanks. Like Southampton. Lovely friendly town I found. 👍

Garry

BMCUW
Have never met anyone in England who knows that Moscow is in Ayrshire.

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GARRY

The wee village next to it also has the world’s only gowf club!

http://www.loudoungowfclub.co.uk/

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GARRY

Patna is in Ayrshire too-everyone else thinks it is in India!

Garry

BMCUW
Used to take my kids to Loudoun Castle theme park years ago. We loved our trips there. 👍

Garry

BMCUW
A big game in Fife rugby is the Madras v Currie match. 😊

big packy

BOBBY/GARRY yes been there pal👍 to be honest bobby thought you got the ferry to the isle of wight from portsmouth but hey im from glenboig what do I know😎😎,another true story😎

big packy

BOBBY, just remembered you were talking of munster road the other night, well i used to collect taxi engines from a company called mann and overton based in wandsworth bridge road, im not sure if munster road had a weight limit on it, but i remember passing it then onto fulham palace road and hammersmith broadway,jeez im getting auld😎

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BIGPACKY

No weight limit as far as I am aware-just a bloody bollard at the end of it!

big packy

BOBBY 😎😎

Steven Gerrard gets a red card. Morelos a yellow. What’s the world coming to? !

Maybe the referees trying to even things up a bit now that Celtic have next to no chance of winning the league.

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JIMTHETIM53

Beaton is feeling brave because The Crown in Bellshill is shut.

Good point Bobby.

Wish there was a bliddy Celtic game on tonight.

big packy

JIM for you whats the time signature??? https://youtu.be/ntU46kTlfzA

Garry

Beaton’s first pint when The Crown reopens will be slops.

Just a guess Packy, remember I’m used to having music in front of me which tells me. 3/4 time. 3 beats in the bar. Maybe even 9/8

big packy

JIM, it was written in 9/8 time which is an unusal time signature, when i played it even reading the drum part, i had to keep counting 123 223 323 123 etc if you get my drift.

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BIGPACKY,JIMTHETIM53

My favourite version of that is by Scott Walker. Well,it would be!

I think it is too fast,too complex for a simple 3/4 though. Maybe an eight,but I can’t hit the top line for that.

I don’t think I’ve ever played 9/8. Very unusual. But I was right, 3 beats in the bar!

Bobby 3/4 can be fast or slow, depends on the time signature.

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Well done,Jim! I’ve never even heard of 9/8!!!

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bada bing1

not buying the faux rage from Slippy G, a sham,we all know the deal with Beaton and the huns

Garry

BMCUW
You should listen to Radiohead more. 9/8 is one of the many weird time signatures by them.

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BADABING

If you scroll down to the 1925 timestamp,you will see a photo of Gerrard in the stand but not wearing a mask or socially distancing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/56222626

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GARRY

Maybe that’s why I canny get my head round them! Although I was one of the first to push them,back in the early 90s,I think they lost me somewhere along the way.

They lost out to Oasis and Suede,not sure they’ll be all that bothered!

ASWGL

The daily leaders on here are the best on a Celtic blog by a country mile. I’m not a betting man myself, however the diversity that we are given on here is refreshing, by our regular entertainers Mahe & BMCUW.

Oglach is also giving us some important readings, and Twisty, well he just continues to be the top poster, well done all of you 👍

HH

Garry

BMCUW
I have heard it often quoted by other artists that Radiohead songs are in the weirdest of time signatures that shouldn’t work but do. It is what gives me their originality aspect. That and all being multi instrumentalists. Every member of Radiohead plays every instrument in the band.
Verging on 21st Century Classical musicians.

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ASWGL

Aw,shucks-but the site depends on its members. MAHE and I can plan an article well in advance-or sometimes throw one together in an hour or so. You guys have to come up with your responses on the hoof. Takes some doing,that…

big packy

you want a true story, i used to work for a taxi garage in prescot near liverpool, nearly all the liverpool cabbies got their cabs serviced there, was in the workshop one day guy was standing looking at his cab on the ramp, i thought to myself i know that guy but cant think from where, said to allan the boss who is he, ah he says its frank johnson holly johnsons dad. you know what they could have been twins, spitting image of his son,another true story,👍

ASWGL

BMCUW.

Yes, it was most likely remiss of me not to mention the posters, and many replies, I understand everyone plays a part in it’s success, so well done to all of those too, however without a subject matter to discuss, that’s kinda moot *sorta* mibbe*.

But no matter it’s still the best Celtic blog by a huge stretch 😁

HH