One Club to rule them all, One game to bind them
A recent comment struck a lot of fear into me, and that was along the lines of,
The only fight you’ll see is between the Celtic fans.
I have worried about this for a long time.
At this stage with so much water under the bridge most camps are firmly entrenched within their viewpoints and many have a similarly aligned website/blog available to echo their thoughts.
For the record, if you enjoy going to see the game then I am not and won’t ask you to end that.
Also for the record, those that have a differing viewpoint must accept there will always be a hardcore block of attendees for various reasons ranging from boredom to ingrained habit.
The recent upturn in ‘screw it all’ comments lies of course with 55 and all that number now entails.
Approximately 9 years ago the number 55 was the end game, a pipe dream. Could anyone see death itself covered up, ignored, brushed under the carpet? I certainly didn’t and it looks like many of the blue persuasion didn’t, the fact this is deemed 55 and not 1 is central to their same club theory.
This title was always the final hurdle, and now it has been publicly announced left, right, and centre as the 55th, their death is officially ignored and rewrote as a holding company issue.
The big scam is complete.
This puts you, me, and all SPFL fans in a quandary. The match day attendees in the biggest quandary though, as some posters attest it’s more than just a game but precious time with your most beloved, a long standing tradition theres little inclination to break despite how corrupt each and every board are.
But yet there’s more and more Kev Jungle’s who arent happy at what they see and long for a club more in line of what we should have become, at least according to some visions.
No matter which camp you’re in we could probably all agree on something, right now theres huge disconnect between the supports vision of the club and the reality.
Frustration grows, and grows.
So the big question, is there a middle ground? Can both sides meet?
It’s clear many aren’t boycotting, it’s equally clear many aren’t happy at where we are and where we look to be headed, the Old Firm Highway.
So what now?
Whatever your opinion of me or this blog it shouldn’t actually fall to the average Tim as these issues are supposed to be why supporters organizations exist in the first place. Coordination with the aim of getting a message across looks beyond the support, a splintered mixmash of traditionalists and dreamers gathered under the one flag.
It needn’t be that way of course.
We do all have that one common bond, a special bond indeed. Our beloved club has two choices ahead of it, stay attached to wayward twin or join the modern world, with the current incumbents opting for the former and easier of the two, yet it’s not easier on your wallet.
Add on Dermots ‘Were Fine that’s that!’ statement slash interview and Bankiers still in situ, you will see we have a PLC who have adopted either a head in the same stance or genuinely couldn’t give one. You, me, we, are assumed in and on board full stop.
What we do about this will elicit different responses of course, something counted on as that promotes division.
Mass boycotts a no go, yet unhappiness not just with our board but with the overall state of the game is at the highest levels I’ve ever seen. Something’s gotta give and with no decent Tim billionaire’s handy options are limited.
Theres common ground here, taking a stance but not giving up the routine.
Dishing out a metaphorical slap to the board but still enjoying the good times.
A statement of self respect without hurting the club much at all.
One game. One match boycott. One big message sent.
Before ATOB says anything I’ll fly over and join the picket line, though I would admittedly prefer the Tims to travel en masse to somewhere in Ireland that weekend, dear old Donegal preferably.
A Hoot in the old country leaving a statement empty park really would say something.
Look, we can’t just meekly slide away, subservient to a tyrant who cares not. For our self esteem it’s important we make some kind of stand somewhere along the line. Past generations did, we special? No.
One match isnt beyond anyone, no matter how high profile, and certainly not if it’s THE match we all do take a stand.
It might just be the unifying act we all need.
Would deliberately missing a single game to send a message change things?
Could it hurt? At least a message was sent, an imaginary punch thrown, the fact we aren’t just carpets with wallets put firmly out there.
Whether it leads to dialogue or disdain, acting together even just once would be enormous.
90 minutes is nothing compared to a club to be proud of, if the appetite is there, I say we make this happen.
Heading out for my morning exercise so will ponder your article and reply later. There is merit in what you are saying mahe. As for last nights read back. Wtf? Who knew you could be transported back to the seventies/eighties over the course of a couple of hours. It read like a viz appreciation society, full of middle age men hankering after a time that is long gone for them personally and in society generally. Shame not all of you can grasp that.
One match doesn’t do it for me if things stay the same. If the chips fall as they should with DMcK there doesn’t have to be a boycott
We need straight talk on Resolution 12/11, 55 or 1, the SFA, the refs , 5 way agreement etc etc The back of the bus can stay empty as far as I am concerned, it’s easy for me to say that from overseas
, but just bringing in new managers, coaches and a CEO without dealing with our festering concerns will leave me out in the cold. Supporting Celtic since the mid 50s has given me lots of highs and many lows , I was brought in by my dad and to be honest there were times I regretted getting my son involved and now my grandsons. A lot of my angst is not caused by Celtic ( but some is), it’s the Old Firmism, bigots, down right cheating by the Leagues Associations,
There is no doubt we are treated different. If I am paying for a sporting contest I will willingly pay if it’s fair
I will not watch the Olympics now because of the dopers. There are a lot of honest Olympic athletes but the dopers have spoiled those Games. I used to watch baseball until the steroid monkeys smashed old records, it was embarrassing watching them go from 200lbs to 240lbs of solid muscle in between seasons
Watching the League this year is as low as I have gotten , watching the Resolutioners getting swiped aside, a manager who was rudderless kept in a position he was clearly not capable of getting results in, and ruining players who have a short work life. The players Celtic have right now were more than capable of winning this league, the Board let them and the fans down ,
I have to hear how they intend to meet these challenges in the future
When discussing to re-new the season book with Hot Smoked on CQN the other day , he said he would probably indulge in Cognitive Dissonance and get one .
If the rules aren’t applied fairly and evenly, it stops becoming sport . Not for me . I’ll watch in the pub , go to the occasional away game if pals get me tickets, or go to junior games .
When I go to the place I’ve always called Paradise ( this now seems hollow, regards how it’s run ) it will be based on meeting far flung friends who travel occasionally to games. Other wise , I’m out.
Sickened by our compliance in a game that’s dysfunctional and rigged . HH
Ill not be paying into a corrupt of Scottish football if thats what yous want to call it.that corrupt scum at hampden sfa.spfl should be sacked they’re corrupt for one club only sevco so my money is staying in my pocket im not even buying the new celtic top either im finished peter tory lawwell let they cheating scumbags back in the front door.PETER LAWWELL LOST CELTIC THEIR 10th TITLE RATBAG..
A good, thoughtful article.
For many I guess the magic has gone from the Club. With the seemingly imminent appointment of a new coach and structure the switcheroo is nearing completion.
The Old Firm is back. 55 is what we’re being asked to swallow and Celtic are tooling up to regain the Title.
The scenerio that many predicted.
Maybe Celtic’s fall from that pedestal is a blessing?
Henri Nouwen once said, “To forgive our enemies doesn’t lie within our power. That is a divine gift.”
It’s taken me years to get that.
The same old resentments or hurts would crop up in one guise or another, often projected onto an innocent party.
You see I thought, if the other guy apologised I’d be able to forgive but some form of self righteousness or suppressed anger kept coming back.
In circumstances where there was no apology or worse where the hurt was aggravated by denial, triumphalism and deceit, that was is an invitation to wear that resentment, like a badge of honour.
The problem is resentments and an inability to forgive really hurt.
So, it’s okay not to be able to fully let go. That’s something that’s beyond most of us. We can do all of the suggested things, see the big picture etcetera, etcetera.
But sometimes that forgiveness doesn’t really come and that has its own repercussions.
The realisation of that is a gift in itself.
Celtic’s situation presents numerous opportunities for growth – but sometimes when we’ve tried everything it’s just out of our human hands.
That’s the journey.
After years of trying to let go or repeating the same types of mistakes. I’d eventually had to stop trying so hard and realise there were some things that were beyond me and needed a different kind of help.
A development of Alexander Pope’s “To err is human to forgive divine.” I guess.
Last night’s nudge nudge wink wink stuff makes for a dreary read back. C’mon ghuys, we must do better.
60s and 70s tales remembered from a 60s and 70s naughty postcard perspective. Thank feck the world has moved on. We’ve all got mums, sisters, daughters ffs.
Excellent article, Mahe, if limited in scope by about 37 matches.
My stance has always been to end the farce by starving out its main protagonists and parasitical beneficiaries.
They’ve proven now where they stand and what they really think of the Celtic support, that is, secondary to the Sevvies in both their on field & off field antics, hence their constant silence on all things Sevvie.
Two cheeks of the same arse has never been more appropriate to describe the parody joke shop they’ve made of our club in doing all they can to accommodate the wretched vermin who detest us with every fibre of their being.
So to buy into that just because it’s ‘a habit you can’t break‘ is, as pointed out by Kev J yesterday, an unforgivable level of permanent damage to the club that the habituates are not only contributing to but are deliberately causing outright.
And that’s no guffawing matter.
It’s a sad day when you’re chastised for relating memories, funny as they were and funny as they are.
It’s goodbye from me
Stephen McGowan saying Howe has agreed to stick with Kennedy and Strachan, but wants Richard Hughes in as technical director
A preposterous turn of events, I agree, 31003, to be chastised for having a laugh at some daft news stories, ffs, unbelievable.
Still not as unbelievable as feeding the beast that’s fucking ye though.
Stick around, mate.
Not a word written last night was anything other than a laugh for all of us and like I said, I didn’t even read the papers then and don’t even think about them now, filled with utter shite as they’ve always been,
I don’t know, maybe there are more royalists around than they’d care to admit.
Who benefitted most from the Joyce McKinney saga? Murdoch. It was headline news for 3 weeks solid. Mixed in with page 3.
You agree with that? Please!
Next you’ll be saying Love Thy Neighbour was a good laugh too??
Food for thought Mahe, but can the masses (sic) be persuaded to boycott, even for one match – particularly a ‘big” match?
Perhaps a delayed entry after ko could send a strong message, and equally allow those who are going to attend anyway to get their fill.
Oh, and categorically, do not buy tickets for any match run by the SFA, ie Cup and League Cup, where they get a share of proceeds: home, away and neutral.
GER57, Love Thy Neighbour was hilarious because they were constantly ripping the piss out the racist white idiot Eddie Booth, all the laughs were on him in every episode.
Ffs, have you even watched the show?!
Or known what a sense of humour is?
Or that laughter is the best medicine?
The Gombeen Man
The International Forgiveness Institute looks at forgiveness from an academic perspective mixed with Christ’s teaching.
The main man Prof Robert Enright worked with Belfast schools kids for a time on the practical application of forgiveness in their troubled lives. https://internationalforgiveness.com/
I was hoping the Scottish Government and Catholic Church might want to look at his work on truth and reconciliation but the feeling of the latter, who took an interest at Cardinal level when this was sent to him in 2011
was wrongdoing has to be recognised before forgiveness can kick in and we ain’t there yet. We might even be further away than ever.
Acceptance of wrongdoing being the truth bit, because if wrong doing is not recognised then there is no wrong to be forgiven for and so no wrong behaviour to be corrected…..
The line – “not to forgive or hold resentment is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die” is a powerful one in terms of letting go for the sake of one’s own well being.
I think there is a difference between
a) wanting wrong doing to be recognised in order to punish the wrong doer (i.e revenge) and
b) wrong doing being recognised in order to bring about reconciliation with the wrong doer
It is a) that the wrong doer fears, but the reconciling forgiver of b) wants forgiveness leading to reconciliation to happen to set another fellow human on the well being path.
The latter in a way is Divine as it asks us to see each other through God’s eyes.
That in turn depends on what nature of God we have in our heads, which in turn comes from what we have been taught to believe but which our lives as they unfold over the years, corrects.
Every day is a school day (I might have knicked that from TET)
Ger57, Murdoch only benefits from stories like that in the same way Sevco benefits from Celtic fans buying Season Tickets.
I told you last night, I never even read the papers except with utter contempt my whole life thanks to my grandparents, relatives and neighbours all having lived through the horrors of war and telling us that our own government and media was our worst enemy, and NOT the Nazis, or whatever fake ‘enemy’ they decide to make up next.
You should try relaxing into the truth sometime.
Maybe bring a bit of humour into your life and help remove that stick from your bottom too.
Bada : ‘Howe has agreed to stick with Kennedy and Strachan’ …
And so the Peter & Dermot Show rolls on, yet another puppet in the dugout.
Morning all. Still having big problems accessing the blog. Can only get today’s leader by going to end of previous post and clicking link to new article.
Even this late I’m told no comments posted so I’m invited to open the discussion.
As usual it’s a top quality leader so I hope this post opens up all the comments which have been made up to now.
My view seems to be not widely shared.
Not for first time, or last.
Bit worried about Kennedy and Strachan still there. Hotline to DM from the dressing room?
Heartening to see that you understand the world has moved on. Totally agree with you about love thy neighbour. There is a reason why it’s not shown on comedy gold channels.
Sorry to hear you did not like me questioning your inability to recognise that the tone of the blog last night was not to my or others taste. I tend to think of the Celtic support as an open minded support with views and opinions that are not decades behind the thinking of today. My mistake.
I have said if there is an organised boycott for a good reason ie res 12/11, for transparency over the 5 way agreement I would consider it. It may be though that all talk of such will be off the table if we appoint the type of manager being mentioned. There is no mileage in individuals boycotting. It has been going on for a few years now and has not had any impact. I would definitely be up for a hoot in Dublin though. Maybe 31003 or dormant will buy me a Cinzano Bianco with a maraschino cherry in the snug and we can discuss our differences.
I’m surprised that Howe is happy to accept Kennedy and Strachan. I also thought he would want his own team. We need to let him pick or we will just repeat the same mistakes as before surely. There was mention on ACSOM yesterday about Peter Grant as a possible coach having worked with him previously. I have heard that Grant is an excellent coach but is not exactly pulling up trees at Alloa. Maybe he’s better as an assistant.
Lighting up our inner Viz,quite an apt description of last night’s discussion! Hardly a patch on the old Thursday nights on CQN admittedly,and overall I think it was fairly harmless. Little more than recollections of genuine news articles from the 80s,in fact. With a little bit of legal information for good measure. If it annoyed you,I apologise.
From the same period,perhaps you were lighting up your inner Mary Whitehouse?
As my sister,you are well entitled to be my harshest critic. You’ve earned that right after fifty years! But even in your disapproval you can still make me laugh,that quip about the maraschino cherry…
Reminded me of Mr & Mrs SOLKITTS wedding reception,but possibly not a story that Mrs Whitehouse would approve of.
Who’d have believed ‘Saved By The Bell’ could be controversial in a Political Correctness type of way? Just shows you how much society has changed in a generation.
Afternoon all, been very busy the last few days but have kept abreast, can I say that ATOB? 😘, of the chat. Last night’s chat would be unacceptable to the more enlightened among us and ATOB called it right with her VIZ throwback quip.. Nevertheless, it is reminiscent of many a conversation that have been had in pubs all over the country for years…and sadly missed. Maybe that’s the great thing about Sentinel Celts, it has that feel about it, a forum for banter and laughs as well as the serious Cellic stuff. Loosen yer girdle and join in ATOB…ye might like it! 🤣🤣🤣(That’s a joke btw!)
Aaahh, that’s quite a memory, delivered in best stage whisper, just at the moment when everyone else in the room went quiet. Hilarious and never forgotten 🍒🍒
An appropriate Good Friday tune. 😁
All about the timing,old boy…
If Eddie Howe is the man he will not let any assistants be foisted on him. Although he will be paid a handsome wage, he will want people he knows and trusts to bring success. If, and it’s a big if, he has accepted John Kennedy and Strachan then it means he has done his due diligence and concluded that they would be beneficial to that success. I have doubts about their ability as an onlooker and results under Neil Lennon would bear that out. I remain to be convinced of their ongoing worth to Celtic but EH is no mug. At this stage it is all speculation and the next manager will have to justify his choices of coaching staff.
IF, Eddie Howe is going to be the new manager and he has agreed to keep Kennedy & Strachan, I would hope it’s on a trial basis. He probably has done some digging on them I would guess. Several players have spoken up for John Kennedy in the past.
I would be exasperated beyond words if he had allowed them to be ‘foisted’ upon him!
Happy Good Friday all my SC legends
A wee tune for the day shift
Apologies to ATOB for my story about Joyce McKinney
but it was a true story
So Eddie Howe is now the media favourite for the Celtic job! Last week it was Keane. Excuse me if I take it all with a healthy pinch of salt!
Can anyone make sense of this “churn”?
Take the Keane episode as an example. I can see three reasons why it took off and these also explain why it is fading. Firstly, the club wanted to test the waters to judge the effect of a Keane appointment on the fans and renewals. The feedback would have been of a divided fan base. Not a glowing endorsement.
Secondly, the link of Keane as a strong candidate may have had the purpose of sharpening Howe’s or someone else’s thinking on the job. It seems to have worked on Howe.
Thirdly, it may have arisen as a social media rumour that grew wings, as they often can.
Reasons 1 and 2 are not mutually exclusive, of course, but if I was threatened by a 2 x 4 I’d plump for #2.
On the assistants issue, I hope that is pure speculation, although I do expect Kennedy to still be at the club under new management. This may even have been a condition of him accepting the poisoned chalice for the rest of the season.
Did you catch my post a few days ago about your Cheltenham competition prize?
Rebus… interesting theory and probably close to the truth. Your thoughts echo mine in that Celtic will definitely put out an unwanted candidate’s name knowing that it’ll be unpopular, then put out another unwanted candidate but slightly more (edited from previous) popular knowing that the lesser of two evils is a plus. PR job done!!
On the one game boycott, i am not convinced of its value.
What is the power of a football boycott? Surely, it is the withholding of financial support from the club!
Look at how the club is supported…….1. Season tickets, 2. Celtic TV subscriptions, and 3. Walk-ups.
Boycotting one game does not withhold moneys from the first two categories of supporters and these are the dominant contributors! So the only pressure would come from the walk-ups. Many of these are folks that turn up hoping to get a ticket for the game, hardly representative of people that wish to boycott!
It is a non starter, I am afraid. It is either all in, or all out! That is the rub, sadly.
Hello pop pickers, it’s another day at number 1 for Eddie Howe and the runners and riders, of odds up to 50/1, have considerably shortened. Eddie is now 1/4, in truth, I expected his odds to be much shorter, in my opinion, this means, Celtic have let Eddie know, that he is the man, but Eddie hasn’t accepted yet. We could be in danger of being gazumped. If the deal was almost done, as some press are suggesting, Eddie would be roughly 1/25 to 1/50.
You are either a wise man or a fool agreeing with me.
In the interests of self knowledge, i have asked myself would I have written that post one or two years ago? The answer is NO.
And that is a measure of the disappointment that I feel with the current management of the club. I hate that I have developed that degree of skepticism….it is not me. This is why I am not sure that I can come back to the club, irrespective of who is appointed.
I have started following Liverpool on a streaming channel. I am not as involved but I enjoy their style of play. However, I seem to be a Jonah on their results!
As Kev would say, “Off oot!”
PS did you know Senga is Agnes backwards? At 75 that is a new learning for me, care of Dorothy Paul’s book.
I want to thank BMCUW for reaching out to me and having a private conversation, which I was grateful for.
I would also like to thank ALL of those who reached out to me on the blog, I read all your comments and again I was grateful, they all mattered to me.
CCB, your post was wonderful and really made me think, i was very humbled, reading it, I knew there was a reason why I always read your posts carefully. 😁
Rebus…I must be a quick learner, my disappointment has taken only two months not years. I’ve said, thought and posted things I wouldn’t have until fairly recently.
The big one for me, incidentally, is the ’55’ shit! I genuinely cannot believe we have allowed this certain myth to be reported as truth!
Rebus, for you and McCaff
I am only joking, but couldn’t resist, after your comment to McCaff, Rebus.
JNP…I LOL’ed! Cheers for thinking of me. While listening to it I found this for Bobby and Auldheid….
Great to have you back and I hope you can keep educating us all.
I have said my piece on last night. I have no issue with references to true stories but stuff about a young boy being belittled for reporting his abuse (because that’s what it was) by older female just didn’t sit right. The stuff about toe sucking? Well the fact that any of you think you could manage to bend down far enough to suck anyone’s toes just shows how ridiculous it was.
I shall not flounce as I don’t want you all to think it’s Christmas and not Easter.
ATOB…I LOL’ed at that too! After spending 10 hours up and down a 2-storey ladder yesterday getting my socks on this morning was a proper laugh!! 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you. I recognise the upset that the issue caused you,and I’m exceptionally grateful for your acceptance of my explanation.
Bobby has a lot to answer for. Had he just left things alone JNP wouldn’t be on here today annoying me with his listing John Kennedy as second fav .
This is like a form of water torture. 💧
Garry…the USURA song took me back, although I was never ‘into’ the dance/rave scene I did have a few CDs at the time. I love the sample of New Gold Dream on Open Your Mind! Here’s a belter…
Don’t you dare flounce.
You are a voice of reason on here and one of the very few, who keeps BMCUW in check. 😁
“For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.”
Thanks for the reply.
There are things operating at what we recognise as a conscious level. Things that the Sermon on the Mount and Luke 17 talks about.
Scotland and the Old Firm isn’t at the conscious level of awareness.
Even after we’ve accepted (usually as a result of pain) that level of conscious analysis and healing. The root of the problem is in the individual and collective unconscious.
That’s what I think Paul was referring to, in Biblical terms. In medieval language that would have been referred to as evil. Something that makes us do or say that we really don’t want to and leads to bitter regret and guilt.
When we’ve tried everything and still mess up.
The transformation of that is another question. All we are able to do is gratefully accept the gift that we will fall but are held in a pattern of Divine Mercy.
That’s everyone. No exceptions.
How do you begin to clear that unconscious?
Some would suggest the strong medicine of prayer and contemplation? Who knows? It operates out of sight. Much of what we refer to as therapy is really aimed at clearing the conscious stuff.
That’s why ultimately it’s a Grace for deep-rooted compulsions of Fear, Control and Insecurity to begin leave us.
It’s not really a conscious thing. Until then we’re in a cycle of tribalism and egoic consciousness.
The work starts at a formal level of reconciliation and trying to let go. The underlying stuff simply morphs into something else.
Like squeezing a balloon. It comes up somewhere else.
It’s maybe a matter of accepting the reality and coming to terms with the fact and becoming willing and open.
The changes happen outwith the conscious.Thats why we leave that level of transformation in the hands of the Divine. And why despite all our efforts we still succumb to resentments, fear etc.
It’s really a matter of awareness and beginning to forgive ourselves. Why wouldn’t we? We’re driven by primal stuff in the unconscious that we are unable to control.
In the True Self, the insecurities and fear go. That’s the narrow gateway. It’s also why we use drink, drugs and are addicted to gambling and football.
Anything to escape the intolerable pain in the unconscious. That pain is really the feeling of separation from the Source.
The good thing is that it can be made better. It finds us.
ATHINGOFBEAUTY could keep an SAS squadron in check. Wi US Navy Seals as their backup. One look from her and I’m hiding behind the settee!
Hi Twisty I did not see what day was it as I have been in the studio remixing some tunes my apologies
If It’s to be Eddie Howe, I for one will be pleasantly surprised. I’ve always thought he’d be hanging around for some job closer to home. If he is doing due diligence even better. Who would he be asking outside the club? A certain Mr Rodgers perhaps? Despite what people say I genuinely believe he would give him a proper assessment, warts and all. And we all know the biggest wart has been removed(sort of). If Kennedy does stay, perhaps he’s been given a glowing endorsement by Rodgers, after all he supposedly wanted him at Leicester. Another thing is Howe’s bringing youth through. At Bournemouth he was very successful at development and a number of the players were there through the progress up the league. As for his transfer dealings, he never really seemed to have a great record…big worry if we’re forking out lots of money! But if he comes, sets out his own perameters and everyone buys into that, then it shouldn’t take long to see some changes most importantly in attitudes. Peter Grant may be a thought, he has a good reputation as a coach, or even if only to emphasise what it means to play for our club. Just one thing, for God’s sake, can we not just get it sorted.
On the potential for a boycott it does make sense, but if we get a Big Name Box Office appointment, I feel that will appease a lot of those with doubts and thoughts of any type of action may simply wither on the vine. Think this is what the board want. Nuff said, after all that I’m off for a lie down.