Celtic 6-0 Livingston

Morning,all.
 
 
Playing against Livingston has not been as easy as it should have been for the last couple of years. They have had a habit of getting right in amongst us in the middle and up front,while stifling us at the back. Their manager clearly takes a certain delight in that,as he should. Even if I can’t help thinking that this approach may not be entirely Livingston-centric. Witness his comments after the match where he recommended John Kennedy for the job!
 
 
Is that right,aye?
 
 
In fairness to the current interim manager,our last two performances have been amongst our best of the season-though that is hardly much to crow about. Neither Falkirk nor Livingston got near enough to even kick us properly,and neither referee bothered with a yellow card for either side. Must be a while since two games in succession went by without a card being issued,though I doubt there will be a hat-trick next weekend if the game even gets the go-ahead.
 
 
But to the match itself. We lined up with a little more familiarity than has been the case too often,with Eddy-who really needs to put his foot through the ball sometimes-spearheading the line and ably supported by Jamesie and Mo in the wider positions. Broonie anchored the middle which allowed DT and CalMac to press forward. Griff was relegated to the bench after his horror show last week,as were Christie and Tam. We started off where we left off the previous week,unrelenting movement and attacking at every opportunity. Yet Livi managed to frustrate us-well,me at least!-for the first half hour till we Jamesie fooled us all with his finish for the opener!
 
 
DT picked it up,played a quick pass to Eddie who flicked it into the box for Jamesie to take on the run. I don’t think the left foot finish quite went the way he planned,but it trundled past the deceived keeper to the bottom corner. We were better than good value for that at the time,yet our second a few minutes later also needed a little brush with Lady Luck. Greg Taylor played a lovely pass inside the defence for Mo to cross from the bye-line to the waiting DT a couple of yards out. His cross deflected off the covering defender,looped over the keeper,fell perfectly to DT,and even the Griff of last week would have put that away! So 2-0 up at half time,hardly undeserved,but the manner of the goals must have pissed our opponents off a tad. Pity,huh?
 
 
Well,we sure took no pity in the second half! We went for the throat,and no messing. The first ten minutes saw us doubling our lead. The first via a corner,which even after multiple replays is inconclusive as to whether Broonie or the under-pressure defender got the last touch. I’ll give it as an og,which will hopefully fire up our captain to make up for this injustice next weekend! The fourth followed a few minutes later-Mo had seen a similar effort saved just earlier by the keeper when a loose ball broke to him on the edge of the area,set up lovely for a curler from his right foot. He didn’t waste any time fannying about with a touch,just duly dispatched it to make it four. Really a delightful finish.
 
 
Which,if anything,he bettered for the fifth ten minutes later. Kris burst forward through the middle and this time Mo stayed right of central. That positioning compared to his first actually summed up his performance on the day-not just unplayable for much of the time,but bliddy difficult to pick up or mark. Kris got to the edge of the area,threaded it inside,Mo took a touch this time-and just like last week-dinked it over the onrushing keeper for probably the goal of the game. Simply delightful stuff,IMO.
 
 
Sometimes I really want this guy to stay,and then I remember some-too many-of his other performances. Maybe he’s a Samaras MkII,and I know how pissed off I was when his contract wasn’t renewed. And I remember how pissed off I could be at so many of his performances too. He’s nowhere near that level yet-except in how much he can frustrate me at times!!! Last I heard,he was available for £6m and at that price,even if only to preserve some continuity in the team after a likely huge summer turnover,I would be inclined to keep him.
 
 
And there’s an article in itself,I suppose…
 
 
The sixth and final goal-which was a very good finish indeed-owed itself to one of those “Efe moments” that we sadly became so familiar with over time. Struggling to do anything from the right side of defence,he passed it along the edge of the box and straight to Christie. He took it in his stride,ran into the box and finished calmly into the corner. I thought it was a really good finish,but he obviously didn’t rate it so highly,judging by his lack of celebration. Cheerio,son. Trust me,none of us will be saying in one year,two,three years or ever that we really miss you.
 
 
I’m not gonna finish this article on such a sour note though. I thought our performance on Saturday was outstanding. Full of running,movement,attacking intent. Hell,we even looked kinda solid at the back on the few occasions that Livi got on the ball. I don’t know whether the last couple of games have been down to coaching,or relief at the former manager no longer being in charge,or simply the paucity of the opposition. Frankly,I don’t care-never look a gift horse in the mouth! Ten goals in two games without reply is a good springboard for our visit to the hounds of hell next week. What’s not to like?
 
 

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Forgive me for loving you, even though you never asked,
a secret kept like a pebble in my shoe, now smarting.
If heart dares to belong, it’s just a weakness from my past.

Make scars worth the fight, put back the pin from grenade you grasped,
moment of truth arrives, met with two lips bruised and parting.
Forgive me for loving you, even though you never asked.

I thought I walked the streets alone, wearing a grotesque mask.
You were inside me all along, sweet message imparting.,
if heart dares to belong, it’s just a weakness from my past.

How I’ve missed your awaited touch, and hoping it would last,
our sun grant’d pardons galore, for love’s kindled restarting.
Forgive me for loving you, even though you never asked.

@QUOTHTHERAVEN

DannyMac23

Rebus67

Where to start?Its a profound question.

First thought is family.My dad had taken me to Celtic Park at a very young age and my two brothers and I attend to this day with our sons so that may be tradition if you will.I would hope too that entertainment and enjoyment must be part of it.Rivalry another aspect.Celtic beat Rangers I am exhilarated and life is wonderful,if the result goes against us I just want to lie in a darkened room indefinitely and dont buy newspapers for a week.Passion, being a football fan it gets the heart going and again that feeling when you win is so enjoyable and makes you feel good which helps your self esteem,that and the connection to others.If you support a football team it’s a common ground that makes it easy to converse with like minded people.There is also a sense of belonging which is probably a tribal type thing but ultimately its maybe down to upbringing, a family tie as such.My dad thankfully was a big Celtic guy and I followed suit but as you get older you choose your own path.Its the old adage you can change your car your house or your wife but not your football team.My dad is gone now and I regret a few things in life like not spending more time with my dad but I cherish the memories I have with my dad and Celtic football club,that was always a bond that would never be broken.There must be people out there that maybe struggled to strike up a conversation with their dads but that was some game last night dad always struck a chord.So rebus 67 a few reasons but it all started with my dad.

Danny.

Noel Skytrot

ATOB,
I get as humans they make errors but its beyond the pale now, in fact it appears that being Scotland’s establishment club any team that plays them gets sent beyond the pale
decision wise, while they sit fine and dandy in their hun castle. I find it astonishing to say the least.

Noel Skytrot

Dannymac,
I attend games with my father and have contemplated not renewing due to the people running the clubs behaviour, but I realise that he won’t be here forever and that it can be the only time I spend time with him were we both engage in something that means a lot to us both.

DannyMac23

Noel Skytrot

💚
Danny.

Noel Skytrot

Rebus,
my story is very similar to Dannymacs and many other supporters, I was taken to my first game by my father in 1975, aged 5 and have just carried on. I’m absolutely demented when the team get beat but high as the ISS when they win. Is it a tribal thing? probably, but its something else that runs deep within me that I struggle to explain to people.

Noel Skytrot

Dannymac,

bless up and positive vibrations at you brother.

Noel Skytrot

Auldheid,

your posts are frying my ‘oul heid’ lol

DannyMac23

Noel Skytrot

Appreciated

Danny

Auldheid

A really interesting podcast from Scottish Football Monitor.

David Low on the Celtic Trusts’ innovative solution to clubs’ dilemma on how to give fans value for the money paid for no-show season tickets. And a ground breaking idea for how football could embrace the modern technological environment.

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-yjde6-1005e6f

Auldheid

Noel Skytrot
Auldheid,

your posts are frying my ‘oul heid’ lol
============
Any idea what mine must be like?

JimmynotPaul

This is not fake, Rod Stewart, Twitter.
#UpTheHoops https://t.co/1oTfL1L9jy

JimmynotPaul

Auldheid. 3.36.
That made me laugh out loud.
😂😂

Auldheid

Rebus

A few years back I wrote an article on the Overseas Season Ticket that set out why and how I followed football and why Celtic were the medium.

I would post it or a link to it but my sentiment has changed, although it might explain what I would like to see rescued and why I go on about what I think has been lost.

I’ll send it to the hosts to perhaps use as a blog with a new topping and tailing as I think your question is worth a blog in its own right.

Noel Skytrot

Auldheid,
I can imagine your brain has been fried over the past number of years with Res12 etc

Now I know why your posts sometimes are of a philosophical vibration, appears you may need it at times.

Twisty

Noel, Danny,
Your responses to Rebus’ excellent question, probably struck a chord with so many Celtic supporters. It certainly did with me.

Tradition
noun
“the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way.”

Noel, you are now contemplating breaking with tradition. It’s a real gut wrenching decision. It’s not just the tradition of going to Celtic Park, clearly the company of your dad, and you spending time together is a huge part of it. It’s very easy to understand why you are wrestling with this.

The only advice I would give anyone considering doing similar is this:

Make sure it’s your decision, and only your decision. Don’t be cajoled into it by the views of anyone else. Of course those who favour a boycott are every bit as entitled to offer their opinion as to why they adopt this position, but only you will know if your doing the right thing.

I’m not renewing. It’s a bit easier for me because all the family members I go to the matches with are of the same viewpoint as myself. So we will find other ways to spend time together. Golfing, fishing, whatever. If they all changed their mind tomorrow and said they were going to renew, it would leave me a decision to make. I’d then be back in the same camp you find yourself currently in.

What would I do?

My dad passed away at 45. Lost my best pal, my brother , who died at 38. All of my dads brothers, my uncles, have now passed. It was my dad, and uncles who took us to the matches from the age of about 8.

Id give anything to be spending time with them again, especially at CP where I formed so many memories. That’s all I have to remember them by. Memories.

If I had the opportunity to create more memories, I’d grab it.

Only a week or so ago, I’d a real concern that I had a major health issue. As I lay awake at night, and believe me I was awake a lot, all I thought about was my family. My mum, wife, kids and grandkids.
I was contemplating how I could have done more for them, and with them.

The sense of relief I felt when I got the all clear on my tests was incredible. Just knowing you’ve got more time than you feared you might have. What to do with that time?

You’ll probably have guessed the answer to the question I just posed.
I’d renew if the family changed their minds. If they don’t change their minds, we will be elsewhere. Together.

None of the above is meant in any way to undermine or disrespect the alternative views of others who have chosen differently. I appreciate and admire Auldheid more than I can tell you. As I said yesterday “ one of the finest men to have walked in, AND OUT, of CP”

I can fully understand his decision.

For me though, the recent past I referred to has made me realise just how much I love my family, and I’m going to be wherever they are.
Whether thats on a golf course, on the banks of a river fishing, or the North Stand, remains to be seen.

I’ll be happy whichever option wins the day.

Make sure you’re happy with your decision too.

DannyMac23

Auldheid

Totally agree regarding Rebus 67s question.

It is thought provoking and more in depth knowledge required to answer than I could muster in my reply.

Great question Rebus 67.

Danny.

Twisty

Danny
From earlier

😂

You know more Leo songs than me. Secret admirer? Or google 😉

Noel Skytrot

Twists,
thanks for the well thought out and personal response. I probably will renew but I feel turmoil inside as i’m deeply concerned at the way those who run the club treat the supporters, yet, on the other hand its the only time were I can do something with my father due to his age and health which we both enjoy. Its not only the going to the game, its also a time were i can speak with my father on a one to one basis about how I am and our lives in general rather than doing it over a phone or when other family members are around us. Its the same when my pal comes up from Yorkshire, its far more than just going to watch the game. It’s a deeply personal thing for me in many ways.

DannyMac23

Twisty

Heartfelt and great response.Life is too short.

Lost my dad to cancer and as a family we will my brothers and I renew our tickets but what the board at Celtic have done and have being doing hurts deeply.This may be my last season at Celtic Park and I never thought I would say that.Profits over plaudits?These faceless guys on the board,
Pewter apart as he is always front and centre if it suits,have torn the heart out of our club.

But it’s our club Twisty.

In a season where from the outset the establishment club were always going to get preferential treatment to stop the ten our club shamelessly helped them.Pewter Lawell is the root of our downfall.If he remains at the club in any capacity then that will be it for me.That he was complicit in the continuity myth,the 5 way agreement and his inaction regarding resolution 12 is more than enough to make me not renew again.

But it’s our club Twisty.

Danny

Noel Skytrot

Twists,
I forgot to add that i’m glad your health issue is resolved and that your well mate. I’ve went through a period recently were I lost a lot of weight and it was frightening thinking what the probable cause was.

Good morning folks.
I hope all are well.

I’ll echo Bobby’s sentiment, the blog is only as good as it’s posters. Many are enjoying the ride but thank yourself for jumping aboard, not the bus drivers, as you yourself made the decision to get involved when you didn’t need to.

A Friday night game sounds interesting, the Fuzz won’t mind the day and time as there’s no one to corral.

Hail Hail

DannyMac23

Twisty

Google all day long.

Had some nice tunes to be fair.

Danny.

Noel Skytrot

Dannymac,
Bang on, that’s my mantra too, its our club, not the suits club.

Noel Skytrot

Dannymac,
please don’t encourage Twists Leo Sayer fixation or the blog will be bombarded with a plethora of his music videos. My wee ma demented me as a child with Leo Sayer constantly playing his records.

DannyMac23

JnP

Is it within your gift to play Dance with my father again?

Luther van dross

Miss my dad.

Danny.

JimmynotPaul


You’re Dad was one of the best. Danny.
A true gent.

Mike in Toronto

Twisty

Firstly, hope your recent health scare is okay.

As I have said, I never got to see a game with my dad and my brother when we were kids… and then we moved to Canada so that my brother and I could have a better chance at life …. and when my dad, my brother and I finally got round to planning to finally see a game together, my dad passed away suddenly a few months before we were going to go. That will always haunt me.

but, if I take a step back, which way do I want to look … back or forward? And more importantly, I ask which way would he want me to be looking?

From reading the blogs for years, I think I am pretty safe in saying that most fathers (and mothers) on here were like mine… worked hard to give their kids a better life than they had.

And I try to honour my dad’s memory by adopting that same spirit: just like he made the world a better place for his kids, so I need to leave the world a better place for the next generation. That is how I can best honour his memory.

At this point in time, Celtic seem to be in bed with anti-Irish and anti-Catholic bigots. Supporting Celtic is, in effect, supporting Rangers….. and that is something I cannot do.

Honestly, I think that by getting into bed with Rangers, Celtic shame the memory of our parents, and grandparents who were treated as second class citizens.

My mum and dad left their families to come here so that my brother and I (and my sister, who was born here) could have a better life.

My ‘sacrifice’ in not watching a football game pales in comparison to the sacrifices they made to give my brother and I a better life. I honour their sacrifice by looking forward, like they did, and, like they did, doing what is necessary to give the next generation the best chance. Unfortunately, supporting Celtic does not do that; by perpetuating the Old Firm bigotry, it now does the opposite.

At least, that is how I see it …

DannyMac23

JnP

Thank you my friend

Danny

Twisty

Mike
As ever , you make a very powerful argument as to the stay away side of the argument.
Rational makes more sense than emotion, but as human beings, emotion often overcomes rational.

If it didn’t, CP would be empty most weeks!

Twisty

Mike
…. and tyvm. Health is all good .

The Gremlins are really hammering the site today. One of my posts, thanking JNP for posting the game in 86, has disappeared to feck knows where…cue theme music from ‘The Twighlight Zone’

ATOB

Are Gremlins Green Huns?? Shower of bastards, whatever they are.

Hail Hail.

bada bing1

Sunday 3pm ko

Noel Skytrot

MIT,
I totally get what your saying and that’s the sticking point for me, it can be a never-ending inner battle with the self. I’ve got a not too bad a life and can fill it up with doing constructive and positive things but the emotional pull of Celtic coupled with my family makes it so difficult for myself to unchain my yoke.

Noel Skytrot

Roll on Sunday and hopefully we win and salvage something from what’s been a nightmare season.

JimmynotPaul

Rebus. 2.14.
Thanks for asking such a thought provoking question.
I’ve always loved football, ever since I can remember, so clearly something in the genes.
As for supporting Celtic, my story is different from many.
The vast majority of my family, don’t support Celtic, but my Dad, when he was around did, but in truth, I don’t think he was too bothered.
He did, take me to a Celtic v Hearts game in 1970, when I was six and a few others, around then.
We won 4.2 and I was hooked.
By the time I was 8, I would travel on 2 buses to get to Celtic park, on a Saturday afternoon and get a lift over, on my own.
It was a different world, then, people didn’t bother, my mum, was probably happy to get rid of me for 3 hours or so.
My school pal, John, then started coming along with me, he was brought up with his Grandma and she was happy to see the back of him, too.😁.
He then had a eureka moment, for us, there was a local supporters bus, why don’t we blag our way on that, being scheme bhoys, we were used to blagging.
The bus arrived and we went on it, no one said a word, until the convenor came for the dues/money. He asked who we were with and laughed at our audacity.
He was brilliant, once he realised, no one was looking for us and he didn’t need to worry about lost children.
He let us on, the bus, every home game and never took a penny from us, he wouldn’t let us go to any away games and nicknamed us the orphans.
So, why Celtic, without a doubt, a sense of belonging and people being nice.
We joined that supporters bus, as soon as we could when we were 16.
My older children support Celtic and for many seasons accompanied me, to the football, my youngest has no interest, in football, whatsoever and I’m happy that is the case, something that would have been unthinkable, to me,10/15 years ago.
I’ve come to realise, it’s all about making money at our expense.
We used to have 3 books, but now have one, it’s easy for me to say, I’m no longer going, because my health really isn’t up to it.
My bhoy, plays semi pro on a Saturday, so him and his sister, share the one ticket, she goes on a Saturday, he goes if it’s a Sunday.
No decision yet about next season, but unlikely, I would say.

JimmynotPaul

Magua.5.01.
Were you at Pittodrie, in 86?
I reckon you were in the Beach End.

Noel Skytrot

Just a follow on from Rebus’s thought provoking question, apart from the massive moments in our respective lives such as marriage, meeting someone, making friends, having kids, or whatever gives you a good, positive vibration etc how much joy has supporting the team brought to the supporters throughout their lives?

JimmynotPaul


Noel.
Here’s a tune, for you.

Twisty

Jimmy Not Paul
What an entertaining and interesting story. 8 years old and travelling on your own!!
I can relate to your bus convener feelings. I experienced similar kindness as an 8 or 9 year old too, though as I said earlier, I was always with a relative.
Nice read. Ty

JimmynotPaul

Twisty. 5.26.
Thanks, buddy.
I wasn’t sure if I wanted to post all that, as you can imagine , I wrote it, deleted it, started again, ditto, ditto.
The only hassle I ever got on the occasions, I went on my own, which, I think was 3 times, maybe 4, before John joined me, was when I arrived, at the ground.
The local young team, didn’t like a stranger, cutting their grass for a lift over, I had to quickly learn, where not to wait and ask, the prime location was theres, that was made very clear to me.
A lot of industrial language and name calling may have been used by them.😂

JNP@17.15

Indeed I was in the Beach End on that day… always my favourite away trip. I would normally have travelled on my Supporters Bus. However, I had just started seeing a new lass, and she wanted to go to a game. The supporters bus was full of ne’er-do-wells and footpads, so travelling that way was not an option. Brilliant bus btw. So got on the Stagecoach from Buchanan Street. All well, until we got to Dundee. Thereafter, the bus stopped at every But-and-Ben on the East Coast. Five and a half hours it took. Needless to say we got the train back.

This, as you know, was a pivotal result in that season, leading to Love Street on May 3rd. The Jambos have still not got over the shock.

Hail Hail.

JNP@17.13

Brilliant post.

Noel Skytrot

Jimmy not Paul,
thanks for posting that animated video, i’ve not saw that before. If you like that genre of music theres a great book about the complete history of Jamaican music called Bass Culture- when reggae was king by a guy named Lloyd Bradley, tremendous read. Toots Hibbert and his role in exporting Jamaican music and what the sufferahs (Jamaican working class people) endured features throughout it.

Noel Skytrot

I see that Police Scotland don’t think that its in the public interest to reveal the decision making behind letting the huns run amok in Glasgow a few weeks back.

Twisty

Forgot to say earlier re your health scare. I’m glad to see that all is well.

Best wishes to one of my favourite posters…hell youse are all my favourites. Just like a family on here.

Hail Hail.

Twisty

Site definitely playing up tonight. Having to keep hitting refresh. Posts that were there earlier, have gone

Twisty

Magua
TYVM. That’s very kind of you.

Auldheid

Noel Skytrot
Auldheid,
I can imagine your brain has been fried over the past number of years with Res12 etc

Now I know why your posts sometimes are of a philosophical vibration, appears you may need it at times.
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I ‘d add spiritual to philosophical and I need a reminder of it at times for paradoxically it is those aspects that keep me grounded and seeking practical answers to the dilemmas you and others face in terms of what supporting Celtic means to you individually and emotionally.

What supporting Celtic should NOT mean is you having to face that dilemma at all, not one of you.

Celtic should and could be a source of joy for us all, even when we lose, not anger at the manner of losing due to how the game is run rather than how well or poorly the players perform.

That message has to be put across to the Board in a reasoned but passionate manner.

The best conduit for doing that is the larger CST who have an AGM on 27 April and hopefully they realise they have a part to play emotionally in speaking on behalf of shareholders and wider support not just the practical one of share accumulation.

In the podcast with David Low I linked to earlier I was struck by David confirming that a shareholder, no matter how small the shareholding ,is a part owner of Celtic. I think they are also more likely to hold a share through emotional rather than financial attachment of bigger shareholding owners, but that does not give a right to the latter to ignore the feelings of the former. Celtic need to listen to shareholders/supporters, not mislead and lie to them, if the dilemma many are facing as a result of past mendacity is to be banished.

I’m hoping the CST will recognise/realise that there is more at play in the near future than their rational case for share acquisition and not shy from voicing to Celtic the feelings of the support in a manner where Celtic under a new CEO pay attention and listen.

I’m dipping into my spiritual/philosophical folder for something I came across years ago that speaks of listening. I think it relevant to where I think Celtic are now, right in the middle of a spiritual battle for its soul.

Listening

You are not listening to me when….

you do not care about me,

you give an answer to my problem before I’ve finished telling you the problem

you cut me off before I finish speaking

you find me boring but pretend to listen

you feel critical of my feelings

you tell me of your experience but seem to find mine unimportant

you are communicating with some one else while I am talking

you refuse my thanks by saying you have not really done anything

You are listening to me when

you come quietly into my private world and let me be me

you really try to understand me

you grasp and accept my point of view even when it’s against your conviction

you do not try to take my problem away from me, but stand by me while I wrestle with it

you give all your attention to me

you accept my gift of gratitude by telling me how good it makes you feel to know you have been helpful

Coy Parsley
Oklahoma City Beginning Experience.

Twisty

Auldheid
Thought provoking words, as always.