Dealing With The Legacy

Morning,all.

Sometime in the first round of SPL fixtures early next season,we will be visiting the bigotdome for the third time in a row. As I said yesterday,we need to get a win on Sunday for various reasons,but the main one is that anything less just isn’t good enough for me. I want a result that wipes the smirk off their faces faster than a St Johnstone keeper going up for a last minute corner.

While there are no certainties in life,and definitely not in football,I think it’s fair to say that the team that lines up there in the autumn will be vastly different from the one at the weekend. A number of our better players over the last few seasons will not be with us any longer,and while it may also be fair to say that they won’t be much missed if based on this season’s performances,if we are honest they have been very good players for us in their time and will be difficult to replace.

Again,I have to point out the massive rebuild that is required throughout the club,but the most important rebuild-the one that exercises the fans the most-is on just who we will have available to play for us next season! The oul’ rumour mill has recently begun to crank up,but mainly on the departures. It looks likely that Barkas will be allowed to leave on loan,for starters. I don’t have a problem with that,as while his CV tells us that he is a very good keeper,he has had serious problems settling in a new country while having to deal with language problems and restrictions on his liberty. You can’t settle in to a new place if you are effectively under house arrest,after all,and I hope he comes back ready to show his worth for us.

I would say that I’d give him a pass for his failure to settle,based on the above-but he’d probably let it go under his foot…

Ntcham will be lucky to find a club based on his time with us and also in Marseilles. I think that might work in our favour,as I believe he will realise that he has to get a very good season indeed under his belt to get a decent contract anywhere. The chances are that we will need someone who can do what he can,we are likely to be short of bodies after all,but we will lose him on a free as a result. I’m not the type to bear a grudge-lightly. I’d tell him to find a new club,and if he can’t then simply not play him next season.

Tell me I’m wrong…

Christie? His problem is that when he signed his new contract in 2018,it was based on his value to us at the time. But at the time,he had done nothing for us. He then played a blinder for about a year,got ideas above his station and threw a strop because he couldn’t get a move last summer. His agent will have had some heavy editing to do to make him look attractive to any buyers,and he’ll be lucky to end up at Burnley or Fulham. Jullien probably falls into the same category as Christie and Ntcham,except that his contract doesn’t expire next year. On top of which,he is injured until late this year and will have work to do to get a move next summer. And then we have all the loanees going back,not to mention the Griff problem.

There are though two of our players who are attracting interest and continue to do so. And we should get in a decent amount for them to assist with the cost of the rebuild. One,of course,is Kris Ajer-though I doubt he will have been too impressed to read about the interest from Norwich City earlier this week. Especially not when he has probably been learning Italian,based on the reported offer from Milan last season! There is one small problem here,and it was highlighted over the last ten days or so with the attempt to set up a European Super League-both of the giants in Milan are skint!

Now,that may not be too big an obstacle for Kris as he may think that the reported £10-15m fee Celtic want is fairly achievable,even in those circumstances,and it may even be that he views this as a good thing-that if he improves as he expects to,Milan will cash in and let him move to a bigger club. Of all our wantaways,I’d wish him the best,as he has been the only one not to have downed tools. And I think I’d rather move to Milan than Norwich too.

Which brings us back to Eddie. Unbelievably,it was reported yesterday that he had turned down an offer from Liverpool,but was high on the target list of Arsenal! Ask Charlie Nicholas about that,son. Oh,wait-don’t bother cos you’ll never understand a word he says. Apparently Eddie really fancies Milan too,but this time with Inter. And while Inter have the same poverty trap problem as their neighbours AC,they also intend to sell Lukaku this summer. He seems to have been around for ever,but he will have only just turned 28 and he has a phenomenal strike rate of a goal every two games. In addition to which,of course,he leads the line for probably the world’s No 1 rated international team.

They will expect around the same amount as Spurs will for Kane,who is the same age and has a similar scoring rate. That’s about £100m. Either team could easily decide that paying Celtic a quarter of that for a player five years younger-who also scores a goal every two games-is well worth it. And they will likely only have to pay about a quarter of the wages too,at least on his first contract. Eddie will certainly be hoping that is the case,and I suspect that so too will Celtic.

So,if you look at the above,I reckon that we can probably expect around £40m in fees to support the rebuild. It’s not what we expected in say March last year when we were expecting those players to go that summer anyway. But the pandemic has not been kind to very many of us,and we have to expect that. If you add in the loss of Broonie and all of our departing loanees,plus the loss of Jullien due to injury,£40m isn’t going to cover it.

This rebuild is likely to cost us all of that plus our reserves of c£30m,plus any Business Interruption Insurance payout. Nice one,Peter. You’ve effectively left us potless and playerless,and playing catch up with our hated foes. That’s quite an epitaph and quite a legacy.

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Above article by BMCUWP

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Óglach

Bobby, Re the Kennedy ‘rumour’ a few Celtic blogs running with it. Agree with you, it had better be more BS.

Thetic

I still say the DOF should be a superior position to the Manager in the Corporate Management tree. I will watch with interest to see how we make that works , there is no way JK is going to be the boss of the new manager
As to who will be our players next year, we have had so many players on the merry go round this last few years I wouldn’t be able to do a picture recognition test of who’s who in a Celtic shirt. The leader today doesn’t leave me feeling comfortable about next year

Just listening to Joe Biden live on TV hope the elected leaders listen to his plea to change the gun laws

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THETIC

There should be a clear hierarchy,but with the CEO,DoF and manager all able to trust each other. Not only as people but as professionals. Put the likes of Jk in as DoF…

AND WITH NO DISRESPECT TO THE FELLA AS A PERSON,THAT CHAIN IS BROKEN.

Sad to say it,but he needs to make his own way in life,if even for his own self respect.

Thetic

BMCUWP I agree JK had a tough break as a player, I was happy Celtic show ed some soul and gave him the opportunity to learn another side of the game, and like you and probably most on here think it’s time JK left the nest to find out if he can fly

Leggy

Morning all,

John Kennedy for Director of Football ?????

Jesus, Mary and Joseph and the Wee Donkey !!!!!!

HH 🍀

31003

CQN on full political mode again. Thank God for Sentinel Celts….a true fitba site

Jobo Baldie

Good morning, friends.
Maybe I’ve misunderstood the Director of Football role but I always imagined that to be filled by someone who is likely to be around for a long time, potentially having several different first team COACHES under his wing. In my head I imagine the DoF position as ‘senior’ to the head coach. For that reason the suggestion of John Kennedy would mean that, not for the first time, I haven’t understood this correctly!

Friesdorfer

Morning all
Agree entirely Bobby. JK as DOF is a non starter.
Jobo is correct imo, the position must sit above the Head Coach.
HH

jimthetim53

IF and it’s a big IF, Lawwell were to appoint JK as DOF as a parting gift it could only be seen as a farewell act of revenge on the fans who have been rightly mocking and condemning this useless piece of shit for years. Surely DD still has a few brain cells left in his skull?

jimthetim53

Who is ‘H’?

Maestro Fan

Takes some doing to take by far the biggest budget in Scotland and a quadruple treble winning team and deliver a 20 point league deficit, failure to reach either domestic cup quarter final, the earliest ever ECL exit and Europa League humiliation, in just a single season.

But fair play to Lawwell, he managed it.

The Gombeen Man

BMCUWPS,

Thanks for the article.

Liverpool had their famous ; Boot Room. Unfortunately it looks like Pedro’s equivalent is the Shower Room.

Pedro is still with us and will be for a couple of months (at least).

News that John Kennedy is under consideration for the position of Sporting Director at Celtic was published in Pedro’s favourite tabloid, The Sun.

The news gives immediate flashbacks to the shower-room appointment of NFL.

(Sporting Director is a different role to a Director of Football position.)

Where have Celtic published the Job Specification for this post?

What are the Competencies?

Have there been any applications?

Who is assessing the applications?

Interviews etc?

If true this really is back of the fag packet stuff and really does John Kennedy no favours.

How qualified is he for this position? What do we expect him to do? How will his performance be measured?

Out of interest I’ve attached the current positions at Manchester City. If interested have a look at how this type of thing can be done.

At a minimum we should be trying to move away from the failed shower room decision making of the past.

The decisions being made will be linked to Dom McKay, when in reality Pedro is lying down his legacy and on the face of it looking after his own.

Looking at JK’s experience on LinkedIn, he’s actually an experienced guy, who comes across well. The problem is he’s being set up to fail.

Dom needs to make sure that there is an audit trial that establishes what exactly the thinking was and why there was no external competition for the post.

The fear is that Dom will spend much of his time as CEO cleaning up the mess that his predecessor left behind.

Manchester City Vacancies,

https://careers.cityfootballgroup.com/search

jimthetim53

It has often been mentioned that JK was Lawwell’s eyes and ears amongst the coaches & playing squad. So, a parting gift?

If it happens I have no doubt PL will make sure that JK’s new contract is built so that it will cost Dom a fortune to get rid of him.

Although we would likely never know. I wonder how many Non Disclosure Agreements PL has signed off on in his term in office?

The Gombeen Man

Just the ideal prep the team needs before a visit to Ibrox on Sunday.
If this has came from Celtic it really beggars belief.
Just the type of thing we’d of expected from the media to unsettle the team in the past.
It looks like we’re doing it to ourselves now.

Till Later

St tams

31003
I agree entirely re. CQN and the difference on this site.

Friesdorfer

The Gombeen Man
I see no reason why Job Specs – and Objectives -for all relevant posts should not be published on the CFC website. By that I mean CEO, DOF, Head Coach being the main ones, but others too. Shareholders, Season Ticket holders and indeed all fans should be able to understand and assess outcomes for themselves, rather than a Board Cabal.
HH

St tams

Kennedy as DOF. No chance.
He should be out the door in 2 weeks time if not sooner.
He is as culpable as Lawwell and Lennon for this season’s disaster

The Gombeen Man

Friedorfer,

I don’t think that they get that everyone associated with this season’s capitulation is tarnished by it.

It goes beyond NFL and Pedro bailing out. The Board, players, bloggers…

Trust has completely broken down.

They’ve even undermined Eddie Howe before (if) he starts.

We’ve already been told that he’s using his agent to look for an EPL gig after agreeing to join us.

So similar to the way BR was undermined on CQN.

If Howe is to be successful he needs to be able to select the players that fit his system. No more of the dropping of players in under Pedro’s stewardship.

One worry with JK is that that player recruitment model will continue (take your pick why we use it.)

Running behind here…

Auldheid

Jobo

I’m with you as in what exactly is the job description for a DoF and what skill sets does it require?

If JK has the experience that matches the job description and sufficient skills, plus being more likely to remain, then why not give him the job?

I simply do not know enough about the role of a DoF, the skill set/experience required and how much JK meets the criteria to make a judgement.

Another possibility for delay is that such a FUP has happened Celtic are in the beggars rather than chooses camp when looking for a DoF and manager with the right qualities for the Celtic jobs.

Auldheid

The Gombeen Man

Just scrolled down to your post on competencies etc.

Snap.

Óglach

PL’s blog reporting that Kennedy was due to become DOF before Brendan left? He is now being considered for the position of Sporting director (whatever that is🤔). I am also confused, isn’t a DOF senior to the 1st team manager? Maybe another reason Brendan quit.
Another thought, why does Celtic seem so keen on retaining JK? I get it that his career was cut short due to injury, not caused by playing for Celtic btw, but I can’t think of a reason why he seems to be ‘untouchable’ when clear outs happen. We have treated club legends and other playing staff with disdain and binned them when deemed appropriate in the past, what is it that JK has that differentiates him from the rest?

Henrikschip

Oglach
It is odd that John Kennedy seems untouchable. The one position that JK is not suitable for is Head Coach. He has proved that with his few games in charge. A few changes to our playing pattern but same team, substitutions etc. He has disappointed with his continuity NL approach. He stood idly by this season watching as our fitness levels plummeted and our defensive sieve conceded goals from set pieces at alarming rate. He was a defender and no one could understand why he couldn’t solidify our defense.
Maybe he has hidden skills and as such a DOF role may be more suited to his capabilities but I am not convinced. If there is any truth to the rumour, it smacks of a lack of thoroughness in our approach, as usual, and our unwillingness to make radical changes.

Mike in Toronto

The Gombeen Man
Friedorfer,

I don’t think that they get that everyone associated with this season’s capitulation is tarnished by it.
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I think that is key. They don’t see that.

This is a Board that doesn’t feel they need to explain anything. They don’t take questioning or criticism well. My sense is that they have convinced themselves of their own genius (9 in a row, quadruple treble), such that if there is a problem, it cannot possibly be of their making. This season? Would have done the 10, but for lack of fans due to Covid. Not their fault. It was a blip. So why change? If so, JK is a natural choice

Friesdorfer

MIT
Natural, like “good bacteria/bad bacteria”…🙄😉
HH

Rebus67

As a relief from the wonders of the non managerial search at our club, I pen the following rumblings.
I watched the PSG vs MC game last night and asked myself how I was feeling as the game progressed. It was hard to stop seeing the “sporting” contest as one group of millionaires playing another bunch of over paid athletes. Is this what professional football has become? However, the truth, as always, is a lot more complex than that. There are contrasts. Take De Bruyne vs Neymar as an example. Both extremely wealthy men who continue to experience the drug of public acclaim and yet they go about their jobs differently. One is a 150% hard worker who is involved throughout a game; whilst the other is gifted but almost Shakespearian in his need for drama. One would have hoped that by this stage in Neymar’s career he would have learned that it is not necessary to be a prima donna and that he has chosen to play in a contact sport. On the one hand you see a performer who gives everything he has to benefit his team whilst the other makes self indulgent forays into the game, but only when someone gives him the ball. Both men hardly ever smile. One because he is never completely satisfied with his performance, the other because he is engulfed in feelings of injustice. Both contribute to the spectacle of the game but I only enjoy one performance. What I see is two sides of the game…….what it used to be and, sadly, what it has now become.

Have a nice day,

Rebus

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REBUS

I’ve only seen Neymar “in the flesh” once,and to expand on your Shakespearian analogy it was during his Oscar-winning performance against Broonie.

I think he also won an Olympic gold medal for diving too that night.

Rebus67

Bobby,

I wonder what effect De Bruyne and Neymar have in their respective dressing rooms. I noticed that the distance covered statistics for the game were dominated by MC players. There are a few divers and screamers in the PSG team.

Rebus

Celtic1member1vote

Over 700 Celtic fans watched a brilliant live video session last night hosted by A Celtic State of Mind with numerous Celtic fan social media sites, together with the Celtic Trust and Celtic Shared to discuss the Celtic Trust Shares for Value Proposal given to the Celtic board.

The Video session is still available to watch via A Celtic State of Mind for anyone that’s interested thanks.

MAGUA

Oglach@10.58

I’ve been mulling over your post, and the reason that Kennedy has survived at CP.

The only thing that would make sense to me, is that Kennedy has the goods on Lawwell, and perhaps those further up the PLC food chain.

Why else would such an obviously incompetent fool remain in position for all these years?

I personally would chase every fecker responsible for this season out of the door…and that includes most of the players.

Hail Hail.

Celtic1member1vote

Apologies, I haven’t posted much recently.

I find it healthy to take a break from time to time from all things Celtic, particularly when the Plc Board continue to operate from a place of Insanity.

Hopefully enough lessons have been learned that Plc Boardroom Insanity will be a thing of the past. But as it’s the Celtic Plc Board we’re taking about well it’s more a fingers crossed job than anything else.

Let’s hope football wise we have much more to smile about soon.

Good health and well being to everyone on Sentinel Celtic.

Will catch up again soon. Hail Hail.

Thetic

Rebus one point about the millionaires, I don’t know what is right and what is wrong, when I was in my early teens we had a team of Scots rise to the top of the football world. The bonus for winning the big cup was probably enough to buy the players a new living room suite
When those players retired most of them could not have survived for one month missing a paycheck or they would have been chased by the banks for missing payments.
The millionaires playing yesterday if they invest wisely may not face that same stress of where is my next paycheck coming from?
The pendulum has swung a long way for the players playing at the top but the players at the lower end still face the same money problems our team faced all those years ago. At least some players have found monetary comfort as I said at the beginning I don’t know what is right and what is wrong

Rebus67

Thetic,

I know of a more recent Celtic player than the Lions team who has fallen on hard times. Sometimes it is not about how much you earn but how you manage it. Sometimes it is just bad luck or bad advice that causes a decline.

Personally, I believe that rewards for certain occupations are not valued appropriately within our society. The money that some entertainers and professional athletes earn is obscene relative to care workers, educators and trades, for example.

Everyone of the players in the PSG vs MC game is seriously overpaid, IMHO. None of that will change unless the professional game collapses due a drought of TV money, or a hardline policy by the banks.

At the same time I am not in favour of a cap on individual salaries as used to be the case. There has to be an in between solution to the dilemma. What that is, I do not know. Perhaps, a firm cap on the total salary structure of a club might be the answer? I am interested in how others view this. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it is very difficult to get back in!

Rebus

MAGUA

Rebus

I also cannot understand already pampered players going all Hollywood on us.

Think of the Ronaldo v Messi debate. Both fantastic players. Both innately gifted players.

The difference? One was universally loathed as everything he did, was for his own benefit. One was universally admired, as everything he did was for the benefit of his team.

Youse will have to work out for yourselves, which player fits into which category.

Hail Hail.

Thetic

Rebus not to start an argument but to continue a discussion I agree with what you said about finding a salary balance for different professions, skills., labour quality etc is something that is universally discussed and universally has never found a solution
In Football taking Celtic for an example we had good people with good intentions setting up a team to help the poor, gradually the money men took over and honestly the players were never really compensated properly when you compared Celtic player incomes compared to what players leaving Scotland to play in England were being paid, and that was no secret as they obviously had discussions in the Scottish team get together for Internationals. The money men are well paid ,look at FIFA, EUFA, SFA, Celtic , it was criminal what happened to the Scottish players a couple of years ago when their flight was delayed and the Officials were treated like Royalty I think that’s what got Roy Keane in trouble with his Country when he stood up for better conditions for the players
Celtics CEO is the highest earner at the club , if there was a selection committee picking a team on performance he wouldn’t even get a seat on the Parks of Hamiltons Celtic bus
We will not solve salary’s here but the more we discuss and dissect what is happening in the game the easier it will become to decide who you want to pay to watch

Friesdorfer

C1m1v
is there a link to the ACSOM video please?
Can’t find it – ta.
HH

Weet weet weet
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REBUS and THETIC 1837

That’s an article in itself,if not a book. BIGPACKY often mentions players going to matches with their boots in a joiner’s sack or whatever,sitting on a Corpy bus. There is little doubt that players were criminally underpaid and it took Jimmy Hill to abolish the maximum £20 wage in the early 60s.

Club owners then could be rightfully compared to mill owners from two hundred years earlier,and the players to their indentured labour,not entitled to look for better paid work elsewhere. The fans knew this,and worked as hard as the players did for rightful recognition of their work. The problem is that it got out of control,the players got everything and the fans were left to pay for it.

And then suddenly,BIG money got involved and here we are. Yes,we are seeing fitter and faster players than ever but frankly the magic isn’t there. Most people I know only watch a really truly tremendous game of football nowadays if someone tells them about it afterwards. So we hit youtube. The match was live on Sky or BT or whatever,but I was taking the dog for a walk.

Football has already lost its soul. It is in grave danger of losing its audience.

Friesdorfer

Weet Weet Weet
Many thanks 😊
HH

31003

Lennybhoy on Cqn saying JK story is bull.
Eddie Howe offered job but still to sign and other managers have been interviewed

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31003

I first met LENNYBHOY about eight years ago,nearly as long ago as I met you. Both of you have better insight to what is going on than I do-I’m NEVER likely to get an invite to the inner sanctum!

LENNYBHOY doesn’t tend to deal in absolutes,as in we are definitely signing this or the other. (He and CATMAN used to jostle each other for the exclusives.) But he has a very good record of being correct,nevertheless. He has an even better record though-almost absolute!-of saying this will not happen.

So,his latest missive cheers me up no end!

Senga

Good evening folks, has anyone heard from JimmynotPaul?

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Bloody quiet on here these days. I’ve looked at the viewing figures and they are fairly consistent,but the comments are ridiculously low.

I hope it isn’t down to the writing in the articles we inflict on you each day!

I reckon it is more likely a blip,more likely down to simple apathy because of this most dreadful of seasons and the utter malaise that seems to have settled within our club.

We have a new CEO in place and yet he isn’t,so there will be no statements for the support. We don’t have a manager,but there will be no statements to the support. We might or might not be planning a total restructure of the club,but there will be no statements to the support.

We might be planning to sell this player or that,and sign this player and that-but guess what?

There will be no statements to the support.

No wonder it’s quiet. We’ve got eff all to talk about and none of it good. Celtic FC and Plc are in lockdown and denial. F…..g joke of a club,honestly they are worse than Pravda.

Cosy Corner Bhoy

No news is good news is a saying we are all aware of but in terms of a blog news is needed to generate interest and therefore bloggers to blog. Three days to playing Der Hun and interest is still low! Who’d a thunk it?

ASWGL

Evening all, as for today’s leader, next season will surely be interesting, let’s hope we kick on well, fairly soon into the season with some good signings.

Bobby the lack of comments can’t be down to the articles, they’re very good quality, SC is head and shoulders above any blogs I’ve looked at, we are down a few regular posters JNP Twisty even McCaff has been quiet (probably skinning some ol pensioner out of her savings with one of his floor laying schemes). It’s most likely more down to no news filtering out of the club, and regulars being busy, or taking a time-out.

JK for sporting director ffs, sounds like a Sun porky.

TheTic no worries glad it was interesting.

HH

Mike in Toronto

If you get the chance, the Man U Roma game is worth catching …. it was just fun…. especially the second half…. well worth watching, if you can..

31003

Bobby

For what it’s worth, this is by far the best Celtic chat site around.
For lack of comments, I’d put it down to last working day before the last working day of the week….if that makes sense. Most are itching for the end of the week and want the weekend as quickly as possible. Relax into Friday, then when it comes…..let loose.

I’d guess on most blogs the busiest evenings are obviously match day/night, followed by, and in order, Friday, slowly dissipating to slowest day Thursday.

I should have been a scholar

Cosy Corner Bhoy

31003: ‘Should have been a scholar ‘…… no worries, as long as you are a gentleman!

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SENGA

You aren’t the first person to ask that,and he’s not the only person asked about. It is only natural for people to take a break every so often,but I sometimes wish they would tip us off in advance.

Thetic

If I may it’s quiet can someone post once again step by step how to post on here from YouTube I cut and pasted instructions from jim but I must have missed something
And the hosts daily leaders are excellent and don’t get down when the number of posts stall while we wait for smoke from the big house
I hope Twisty was not discouraged because someone didn’t enjoy his top twenty list , I hope he is just too busy to post,
Take a guy like Packy he has everybody laughing one day the next guys want to throttle him and ban him , I think he is worth the good with the bad , with a little bit of contrition when needed
The night shift and the music has me listening to genres I would never have given a second look at , some enjoyable some not for me, that’s why there is genres
ATOB reminds us when we are getting a little off base with comments that are better not said in mixed company and I don’t have a problem with that , we have to respect everyone on the blog and we should all feel comfortable being here
We all have one thing in Common Celtic ,some still love them some are having their doubts and some will never reconcile their relationship with the club
We have all been entitled and welcomed by our hosts to come on here and express our views in a polite and as educated a manner as our abilities allow, some very eloquent some not so , I personally have enjoyed the many different posters and hope to hear from many more ,