The Downside Of The Rollercoaster

Morning,all.

I spent a lovely wee day yesterday with one of my best pals and his girl. They live in Bicester,the obvious place to meet up is Oxford-and blinkin’ flip are the prices a bit out of order. 

Which is never a problem of course if the company is good,and anyway it was hardly a surprise. 

Still a boot in the baws at the best part of fifteen quid a whip. Basterts. 

Anyway,we met up to watch the Scotland game,and probably the Poland game depending on how long the day was. I ended up on a train to Worcester,so I made bloody sure I didn’t miss my stop. 

So,Scotland. Never near good enough but set up strongly in defence and lost to two tremendous goals. IMO,our problem is that to win,it needs to be 1-0. I will trust Stevie Clarke to set our team up to prevent goals-those two today were outstanding-so I can see where the 0 is coming from. 

But not the 1. 

Stevie,to use an Ayrshire expression,can only pish with the cock that he’s got. He can coach the players to be tight at the back,but his choices are very limited up front. And I’m being very diplomatic here. Frankly,we were set up not to lose goals and hope to sneak one. Which didn’t work,as it turned out.

Now,to get back to Celtic,Ange has a similar if not worse problem. At least Clarkie knows his first eleven,and his options. Do any of us know Ange’s at Celtic? 

Should we be surprised if the newbie flounders about at the start,despite his strong personality?

I won’t be. Clarkie doesn’t have options up front,so concentrated on keeping them out. Which didn’t work today,thanks to two wonderful goals. Difficult to criticise. And equally it should be difficult to criticise AP this season.

What happens next season,I’m absolutely convinced will be as horrific as the 1978 season. But we should not hold AP responsible,and I don’t think DMcK should be getting it either. As Clarkie discovered today about appendages in your hand,there isn’t much you can do about that. 

To paraphrase yesterday’s article-buckle in. If a rollercoaster scares the shit out of you,don’t go on it. 

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Rebus67

The result yesterday should not be a surprise. It was just another false dawn. The reality of the Scottish game is that it has been allowed to atrophy for decades. Fifty years ago we were producing world class players. Yes, I know that seems a long time ago but it is easily within my living memory. What has gone wrong since that time? Who is responsible? Fifty years is long enough for changes to happen in Society…..for greater levels of affluence to take place; for other interests to be presented to youth. But these changes have happened in other countries as well, and, yet, they are still able to put together a national team that can whip us. These factors do not explain what has happened. The real responsibility lies with those who have been administering the game over these five decades. It is not even accurate to say it has been a managed decline. It has simply been decline while the FA does nothing or at least nothing effective to halt the decline. Countries like Belgium, France, Iceland, Sweden etc have developed models that ensure that their game has progressed. We see this in their national teams where their players have better technical skills and better coaching. Over these decades, Scotland’s competitive position has declined, both at national and club levels. It is unlikely we shall see a team like Dunfermline whip Valencia 6_2 ever again.

So eventually Scotland squeaked into the finals of a major tournament but after yesterday we see that they are probably canon fodder and will shortly exit stage left. Surely, this long, continual history of decline has penetrated the skulls of those that administer our game. Surely there is a realisation that whatever they are doing to develop our game it is NOT working. Successful development models exist; best practices are well known; other national associations have developed the competitiveness of their clubs but Scotland relies on the big two. Further, those clubs bring in foreign players to build their competitiveness. Where is the payoff for the development of the Scottish game?

It is past due that the SFA accept responsibility for the current state of the Scottish game. Clearly, past and current custodians do not have the vision, strategic skills, and abilities to implement fruitful change that is required. It is time to look abroad and bring in those that can.

Rebus

Drew

Apologies…but i seem to have missed boat with charity euros competition..can anyone point to where i pay my tenner.
Im on nightshift and have seriously lost touch with normality.
Cheers

Noel Skytrot

Rebus, thats a fine post detailing Scotland’s decline on the world footballing stage.

Óglach: Cat 4

Bobby,
On Ange not being criticized next season🤔 I am not with you on that. He’ll have my support but as with all Celtic managers, there is a limit to our / my patience. Ange needs to step up and show us that he is making progress on the field and with signings otherwise why is he here? He knew, or at least I hope he did, the scale of the rebuild required and the likely internal and financial constraints he will probably have to work under. I’m hoping that Kennedy and Strachan are not foisted on him. That may well be an early indication of how things will go under our new manager – own man or another PLC stooge.

My wee song for the coming season.
An excellent cover of a classic from a talented lady with a strong Irish heritage

Thea Gilmore

Bad moon rising

McCaff

Morning all, I hope this finds everyone well!
I fully expect and demand that Celtic win the League next season. That has been my starting point as long as I can remember…it has ALWAYS and should ALWAYS be about what Celtic need to do. This season they need to sort out very quickly what has been an absolute shitstorm of a season and prove that the mentality is there to do something positive about it. Granted we’ve left ourselves a mountain to climb but for me in the modern era in Scottish fitba Celtic should be Top Dogs – anything less is not acceptable irrespective of the reasons for it!

Rebus…all points correct and bang on the money – my only addendum would take a good few paragraphs about the managed decline of our youth system (across the whole of the country) aligned to the Bosman ruling which encouraged the use of affordable 2nd rate foreign players to replace youngsters in our top divisions. Scotland’s decline has many and varied reasons but you’re absolutely correct to say the Top Brass at the SFA are the principal players in the process.

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DREW

A tenner to the nearest lucky charity bottle will do us all nicely,thank you. And just to prove that I’m all heart really,you can have my lucky pick of Russia.

I had considered altering my moniker accordingly,as a la Jobo so many have. But Ffs,my monikers long enough as it is!

Hope you’re enjoying the new job. Nights take a bit of getting used to.

auldheid

Rebus

In respect of the negative effect the dependency on the big two by SFA has on the game nationally, it seems to be a national thing when it comes to keeping our main rivals in the game.

https://videocelts.com/2021/06/blogs/latest-news/scottish-government-and-their-3-2m-ibrox-bail-out/

The thing is would there be any competition without taxpayer subsidy and dubious share sales or conversions of loans?

fan-a-tic

Rebus67
The SFA like the Celtic board will not countenance that they had any part in decline.
As the game modernized Scotland failed to recognize change so zero attempts were made.
We have become the woe is me nation with a myriad of excuses.
Too Wee a nation
Kids not involved anymore.
The Old Firm’s poisonous duopoly.
And an acceptance of being jolly and gallant losers.
McLeish’s report was ignored as it probably impacted some of the above and the blazer’s gravy train..
We are now master’s of a defeatist mindset.
When a coach like Beale can win the SPL with such ease alarm bells should be ringing.
He has talent and is a good organizational coach with limitations and the fact he is so much better than all his SPL competitors says it all.
Clarke was elevated due to being an organized coach but with financial limitations Beale did not have.
Any coach who can instill a semblance of order and basic tactics can succeed in Scotland.
Davidson at St Johnstone demonstrated such.
Yesterday the difference in off the ball movement between the two sides was clear.
They were decent at it and could create patterns of play while Scotland’s static play often left our hoof and hope strategy as the only option.
The Scottish mindset of get into them leaves us with a fixation with the ball.
We need to teach our youth that the ball is only a small piece of the entire picture.
Our natural impatience as a culture makes this difficult.
Unfortunately as a nation we lack or are unwilling to be introspective so it’s unlikely anything will change.

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AULDHEID

The huns canny look at a collection plate without dipping into it.

auldheid

AULDHEID

The huns canny look at a collection plate without dipping into it.

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Ffs. Has they got that desperate they are going to mass?

Óglach: Cat 4

Sevco’s liabilities are estimated to be well over £30 million. That is why they will probably win next season’s SPFL and the life-saving pot of cash next season’s title offers with a likely guarantee of a spot in the CL group stages. Now just why did the Scots gov lend a financial pariah of a club millions of pounds of YOUR money. I’d like to know what other SPFL clubs have been the beneficiaries of a Scots govs loan of millions of pounds?

Garry Enrique

BMCUW
Player sales and player recruitment will make or break Ange Postecoglou at Celtic.
Get the recruitment correct, and we have a proper coach with a system that will succeed with the correct personnel on the pitch.
The only player from last season that I would keep, is Barkas. The rest will not suit the Postecoglou system.
Sign the right players and it is extremely exciting times ahead.

Garry Enrique

Oglach
Every club bar one received the Scottish Government Covid emergency loan.
The huns received £3.2m.
Every other club £1.6m.

auldheid

Oglach

The reason for the loans was the same as for all businesses – to help survive Covid.

The only question is why they got double and the facility not used by one club was not divided amongst the rest.

The optics for Celtic look bad in that if they did not take up the loan then unwittingly or not that money helped keep the wolf from the door at Ibrox.

Given Celtic were prepared to throw small shareholders under the bus from 2013 to protect Rangers from their cheating in 2011 and ebt side letter use it could be more than the optics.

The harsh economic truth in Scotland is all clubs have a dependency on Rangers being successful and consequentially so are Celtic.

The only way to change this is a more equal distribution of the money that the game generates and that has consequences the Celtic support are unlikely to accept, locking us into a vicious dependency circle.

Big Audio Dynamite

Regardless of how difficult it might be to judge next year, you can bet your last pound we will be judging his abilities from day 1. He will get neither time or understanding, if he falls behind from the start.

The bigging up of his abilities over the last week has been laughable. According to one of Peter’s lap dogs, he is the perfect fit for us right now 😂

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OGLACH

Declining to take up the offer of an interest free loan never makes sense. That it frees up those funds to be given on the same terms to your rivals simply beggars belief.

auldheid

Oglach

The obvious answer to securing a CL place is too front load the budget based on CL incomev for next 3 seasons, perhaps 2 to lower risk of not coming out of a 3 year cycle £40m down.

However that would deny Rangers money their front loading since Gerrard arrived is earning and leave them in the financial grubber.

That makes it unlikely to happen with Celtic having to keep the consequences of front loading on ” Rangers” solvency in mind if they do.

It’s the Soccernomics peculiar to Scotland mixed with the sectarian/anti Catholic undertones that needs addressed but with consequences for Celtic and Rangers that neither support would welcome – a truly competitive league.

When we buy a ticket to support Celtic we are buying one to support Rangers (and all other clubs too) whether we like it or not.

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OGLACH

As to the main points raised by you in your early morning post,I’ll attempt to explain my thoughts in tomorrow’s article.

You and I both want what is best for our club,and we both agree on the main reason that we are where we are.

Sadly,although that main reason will soon be gone,his legacy will cost us dearly for quite some time. Incredible to think that some people still eulogise him,innit?

Garry Enrique

BAD
I am certainly not one of Peter’s lapdogs. I detest the man and his legacy.
Having done intensive research on Ange Postecoglou in the last few weeks, I think he is exactly the correct appointment at this time, and will prove to be the perfect fit to rebuild the Celtic team.

auldheid

BAD

When Tony Mowray arrived I remember looking for signs of improvement game by game.

I cannot remember which game it was before St Mirren gubbed us, v Falkirk possibly, when I decided this isnt working.

To be fair to Mowbray Rangers HAD to win the title to stay out the grubber, hence the honest mistakes and taking it on the chin.

AP might find himself at a similar disadvantage.

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AULDHEID

I long ago came to the conclusion that an 80/20 split was unavoidable if we wanted the game in Scotland to remain competitive.

Usually met with-why should I hand a fiver to Kilmarnock to watch us play them at Celtic Park?

The other side of that argument of course is the unthinkable one. About how Celtic might have decided that competition is,after all,a necessity for its own survival.

Pretty much as Bayern did for Dortmund over a decade ago.

SteveNaive

Tough run of away games straight away.
Coincidence?

Drew

BMCUW

Cheers for tryin to help me..lol
I’l donate £20 if you send me the details of paypal via my email.

Drewski

auldheid

BMCUW

You just spoke the unthinkable and gave it life.

Aw Naw will say it began in 2008.

He has more evidence to back him up now.

saltires voting for Christmas

auldheid
BAD

When Tony Mowray arrived I remember looking for signs of improvement game by game.

I cannot remember which game it was before St Mirren gubbed us, v Falkirk possibly, when I decided this isnt working.

To be fair to Mowbray Rangers HAD to win the title to stay out the grubber, hence the honest mistakes and taking it on the chin.

AP might find himself at a similar disadvantage.

June 15, 2021 11:56 am

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This is spot on!

Looking for ongoing patterns, was recently discussing our last 9 and the subsequent seasons.

we just had 1975 ( except we didn’t take the cup ) 1976 was an old rangers Treble ….but doubt we have the consolation of a 1977 ‘double’ to calm us down. What chance another Sevco Treble back to back as they replicate their Treble in 1978?

If Ange fails … We might not win the title at ‘year 5 (1979 and 10 men)’ and who would back an Aberdeen to win in ‘year 6 ( 1980 and Fergie is triumphant)

Was it around 1975 the structure changed and gate monies retained by home clubs? … Bobby makes a great point about an 80:20 model helping to strengthen the overall game. That fiver to Killie might help them to maintain their, once renowned and excellent, grass park .. just for starters.

Won’t happen.

Anyway, it Could be 6 years before we win another league. Or, to put it another way Sevco could be sitting at 6 in a row!! Shades of 1994 … anyone?

“I know the sky might not fall on my head Getafix, but It still worries me…” -Asterix

I agree with Garry that Ange could rebuild root and branch if backed by both club and fans…surely we could really wait that long ( 3 full seasons) if seeing true incremental improvement? In that model Youth is our way forward, we’ve done it before…so maybe 4 or 5 seasons with an occasional buy-in to bolster a key position.

Unfortunately, Too many fans want their jam today and we will, once again, be lumbered with average buys to quell the noise….a proven false economy.

The Rangers must win… at all costs.

We suspected it … but now we know…

Gravesen64

https://www.celticfc.com/news/2021/june/Celtic-face-trip-to-Tynecastle-in-season-opener/
Hoops face Hearts in the Scottish capital on Saturday, July 31 (KO: 8pm) 🤔

Mike in Toronto

There is a poster on the other blog who ends all his posts by saying ‘we aren’t half of anything’ (clearly in reference to the Old Firm). And he is right: Celtic isn’t half of the Old Firm; at most, it is maybe 40% of the Old Firm.

It is designed to ensure (i) Old Firm competition, and (ii) that Rangers assume their rightful place (win about 55% of the time).

Rangers ensure their status by dodgy dealings both on, but of late, primarily off, the pitch.

And Celtic do nothing to challenge these decisions.

Its like Vegas, we were playing against the house. Rather than try to beat the house, Celtic decided to become the House’s junior partner. The losses will be passed on to Celtic consumers.

So, expecting to win? Sure… you go to Vegas, you can win any single hand or spin of the wheel … but the odds are built in to ensure that the House wins the majority of the time.

I said for 10 years that by ignoring decisions, Celtic were allowing the lines to be redrawn, and that consequences would be felt , maybe not that day, but soon, and when they hit, they would last for a long time.

Changing managers while ignoring, or encouraging systemic cheating, is like changing the band on the Titanic.. you might like the music better, but the boat is still sinking.

If Celtic cant challenge a 40$ fraud, or a finding that paying players they couldn’t afford gave no sporting advantage, you know they can’t or wont challenge 3 penalties in a game.. if that is what is needed.

Unless and until Celtic confront the cheating (including their role in it), be prepared to be the smaller, less successful half of the Old Firm.

St tams

Swinecastle at 8pm on Saturday night.
Have they done away with the computer.

Mike in Toronto

BMCUWP

@ 11:58

Cant compare what Celtic did to what Bayern …. most sports leagues are, by their nature, closed shops, and dont run by normal business rules . that is why anti-trust laws apply …so, keeping a competitor alive is one thing … but I am not aware that Dortmund is a club that hates/discriminates against Bavarians.

and what Bayern did was above Board, while Celtic scurried about like rats doing their work in the dark … it does seem that, as a result of doing secret deals, Celtic seem unable or unwilling to speak out on any other matters of consequence since….

and, as far as I can see, Bayern dont treat their fans, as others have said on here, like mushrooms….

no comparison, as far as I can see

@11:52

and not sure that the architect of this (or main man as you call him) will soon be gone ….. we all know that PL determined that Celtic could go it alone, but then DD said otherwise. I am not a huge fan of PL (great at picking low hanging fruit), but he was doing what his boss demanded …. and that boss is still in place… so, I dont expect much change… DMcK wouldn’t have been brought in unless he was prepared to play ball ….

Drew

BMCUW

Made a donation.

Apologies for being a pain.

bada bing1

CCE- good winner there

Garry Enrique

Great winner there CCE 👏👏👏

big packy rumenigge

AFTERNOON ALL and JIM and SOLKITTS HYGGE, did i spell that right sol🤩 listen if we get beat by england in the next game and wee joan my scouse wife starts gloating, she will be sleeping in the dog grooming room and fed on bread and water, which ill push through the little hatch, in fact i might make it sparkling water she prefers that, listen we gave football to the world, and my team showed the uk how to win the european cup, so wee joan stick that in your pipe and smoke it, another true story.H.H.

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DREW

No Celtic supporter is a pain,and as the originator-accidentally,though the main credit is due to HAMILTONTIM-of the hoots I can guarantee that every Celtic fan who shows his face is a diamond.

Looks like my plan for the next hoot on 29 August are screwed though.

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MIKEINTORONTO

I wish you would expand these comments into an article.

MAGUA

BMCUW

A fair summation of where we are at present.

As a glass half full kinda guy, I do think that Ange will be successful. What I’m basing that on God only knows. I mean, this season cannot be worse than last season, can it?

I’m hoping that Ange can separate the wheat from the chaff, in relation to the players. With one or two exceptions, I would not be too disappointed, if every player that downed tools last season, departs the club sooner rather than later. Let some other mug pay them their feckin’ wages. If that means filling the team with youngsters, so be it.

Enjoy the Euros, fellow Tims. Got a wee feeling that it may be Italy’s year.

Hail Hail.

big packy rumenigge

MAGUA how are you pal, long time no speak ,keep the green flag flying high,.another true story,

D R M

Bobby one of my number 6’s won at 66/1 in the 5 o’clock race at ascot but out of fairness as I would never have picked it can you just give me 10 points for the win and not add the sp on to my total.

Will pick proper selections for the rest of the week.

MAGUA

Big Packy

Aye, right enough, I haven’t been on much lately. Having a wee close season break, and trying to catch as many games as possible in the Euros.

I’m glad that you’re back working with the dogs. That’ll certainly keep ye fit.

KTF and Hail Hail.

Mike in Toronto

ridiculous amount of attacking talent in that Portugese team …. Fernandes and Jota are two players I would pay to watch every week …

Oglach CAT 4

Thanks for all the replies on Sevco’s gov bailout. I was completely unaware that the Scots Gov had been dishing out interest free loans to footy clubs.

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DRM

You are a spawney bastert and obviously a gentleman with an offer like that.

I will point out though that I picked a 66/1 winner for the Cheltenham competition. Didn’t do me much good,and I didn’t have a penny on it either.

You entered the competition and that means that rules are rules.

Now we have to play catch up,that’s all.

Mike in Toronto

BMCUWP

Most of what I would say now, I have said many times before (although, thanks to the work of Auldheid and others, we continue to get a bit more evidence to corroborate what we had believed)…. but I have little appetite for pissing in the wind …. no point talking about how to change things, when those who should most want change, seem determined not to let it happen….

from my observations, Celtic fans seem more wedded to this system than even Rangers fans … Rangers’ fans’ sense of entitlement makes them always looking for more … while Celtic fans’ acquiesence seems to make them resistant to change (even if it would better their lot) …

for me, why that is the much more interesting issue, and the key to any real reform ……

in time, it will make for a very interesting doctoral dissertation for someone ….

Mike in Toronto

when you go through the Portugese roster, you have to marvel at the amount of talent for a relatively small (population 10 million) country…in addition to their front four, they can call on younger talent like Joao Felix and Ruben Neves and Pedro Goncalves (23 goals in 32 first team goals for Sporting… and another who came through Wolves…)

If Celtic havent already done it, they should be asking for a tour or Wolves’ facilities to see how they are scouting/producing a string of good young players…….

MAGUA

Oglach Cat 4

It is interesting, is it not, that the club with the 2nd biggest support in the country, have availed themselves of the largest loan availed to them?. If the Scottish Govt. want their money back, then I’m afraid that they will have to join an ever expanding queue. They will be behind:

Dave King

Close brothers

Big Mike Ashley

and a host of other individuals, that will be lucky to see any of the monies owed to them.

Sure, they can always dump their debt by going into liquidation. A perfectly acceptable way of shedding debt, according to a previous SFA supremo.

I really, really hope that the Huns do not make the CL group stages. That’s when the fun will really begin.

Oh aye, forgot to say:

Welcome back Twisty. And a warm welcome to all new posters.

Hail Hail.

Legaldo

Gon the Portugal 🇵🇹

D R M

Bobby normally if I pick a horse in a 2 horse race it finishes 3rd.

The difference between Cheltenham and ascot is you skillfully picked your selection whereas I chose a number for all the races and fluked a 66/1 winner.

Sometimes rules can be broken for the greater good of fairness and I think this is a good example. Did I break the rules by not picking a selection for each race this morning and should start for 0 points tomorrow 😇😁.

I will go with the rules of the competition and appreciate the work and finance you put into these charity competitions but #ifeellikeafraud.

Did you get your chilli chicken when you were up visiting family and friends?

Mike in Toronto

CR scores 2 and becomes the top Euro scorer in history …. some player …

in addition to him, fans have been blessed with watching Messi…two of the greatest of all time…

in tennis, the current generation of fans have been fortunate to witness Federer, Nadal and Djokovic (all of whom are up amongst the best of all time.. although, for me, Rod Laver is still the GOAT)…

in basketball, Lebron may not be MJ, but is certainly one of the top players of all time…

in F1, Lewis Hamilton is up there with Senna and Schumi as an all-time great…

and these are just in the sports I watch….I am sure there are others/other sports with which I am less familiar… but, even with those, the current generation of sports fans have been spoiled with the chance to watch some of the all time greats…