Boo-Bhoys

So Griff got booed.
Wouldn’t have been everyone there but it was clearly audible over the airwaves, the Tims booed one of their own team at home for off field affairs, and it caused some infighting I later learned.
 
He has gone from 40 goal hero to gtf zero in four seasons, quite a feat but easy if you’re a professional footballer these days.
He got further with us than Riordan, but many could stake that claim.
Money doesn’t change the man, it enables the man to fully display himself.
So can the football pitch.
 
With two world famous goals against the arch enemy of England, then a 40 goal season tucked under the belt,.the Thumb literally had the world under his thumb, and from that prime position of strength blew it.
I say blew it but who am I to judge? Perhaps the chap has achieved his life’s goals, and certainly has chosen the right profession money wise. He ‘conquered’ the domestic scene and has the forever YouTube goals to call upon on demand.
Not too shabby at all but he stands now a pariah.
 
It’s at this juncture I must point out a degree of hypocrisy on behalf of the support, at least on behalf of many.
Now, for the record, I would have booted him out the door, upon a third chance which is my creed,,and for all I know his third chance came years ago.
Some people just don’t get either ‘it’ or the bigger picture, are out for themselves, and you’ve got to balance what you get versus what you give as an employer.
He’s a problem employee, whose latest malarkey was just about legal so he’s still our footballer for the minute.
 
However the very act of booing a footballer for his transgressions clearly states you are held, on paper or not, to a moral standard. Leigh was judged to have failed that standard, and hence paid the price.
I think its fair to say most of that crowd booed, many here virtually booed, some stated they would have booed if attending,,a stance I happen to agree with.
But by the very act of booing Leigh ‘you’ were holding him to a moral code, saying we are more than a club, that when you pull on that jersey you are actually representing a people and a cause. That’s fine, and again I agree.
However,,
Player steps out of line,,,crosses deeply held standards,,,,he’s hounded and booed.
Board steps out of line,,, lies and deceit,,,,,,,I’m only here to watch the team.
Given the transgressions that caused the booing on the day were off field events nothing to do with the team,, those that are only going for the team had no business to boo as the team hadn’t been affected.
If theres any moral code surrounding our club of choice then every single person involved better be held to it equally and without fear.
And if holding others to a moral code then one is not simply going for the team, to merely be entertained for 90 minutes as the phrase implies.
I think there’s a large degree of cake and eat it from the support on this one.

 

Anyhows, he’s Ange’s problem now. He played it straight down the middle, sat right in the middle of the fence when quizzed, handed a player and considered him yadda yadda. But getting booed at home by your own crowd, now that’s something else altogether for him to consider, a game changer if you will.
Morale is on the line.
 
In this respect, I sympathize with the Aussie, just trying to make his way in a strange environment. This is the last thing he needed, but he will be judged upon his handling of the situation. It cannot under any circumstances become a detriment to the footballing department and if that decision costs the bottom line then so be it, that’s life in football.
If the crowd deliberately won’t raise themselves after a Griff goal, Houston we have a problem.
It could spook and hurt the players, and I admit it’s a very awkward place to potentially be.
 
The PLC and the manager need to think ahead in this one, be proactive for once rather than reactive, and block off potential avenues of division before they exist.
Make a decision now, ASAP, so everyone is crystal clear on where they stand.
At least that’s what a customer orientated organisation would do, gather it’s heads and find an answer to the Griff question.
 
Keeping Griff would once again show us the PLC have no morals that align with what the rank and file supporter believes the club stands for, and potentially hurt the team.
However it’s the more profitable decision.
 
Let’s see if this board opts for money or morals, place your bets below folks.
By Mahe.

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Cosy Corner Bhoy

Wasted ten minutes posting on wrong article 😩. Can’t be bothered retyping and can’t do ‘transfer overs’.
Them’s the breaks.

Craig 76

SFTB
All signed up and donation sent,and app installed

Good luck to all playing

McCaff

Morning all…. corporate malfeasance, dishonest but legal manipulation of the support to part with their hard-earned, decisions taken which are difficult to justify to an incredibly partisan support, straight forward lying and being caught out at your own AGM, extreme greed and mismanagement….all accusations of which morality and the greater good deserted our custodians.
Leigh Griffiths has shown himself to be an immature person at best but something much more reprehensible at worst. Leave out the legal/illegal argument for his actions. Most of us understand the reasons for the booing, his actions were very close to our worst fears for our childrens’ safety and in recognition of that alone Celtic, I assume, will be working very hard right now to offload this unfortunate character!
Mahe, this is a disappointing article that attempts to conflate two incompatible ‘moral’ scenarios.

A Thing Of Beauty

McCaff,
I agree with every word you said. Excellent post.
As for last night’s diatribe from whatever he is calling himself today – that was a new low. Postecoglu spoke yesterday about avoiding going down a rabbit hole. I think this poster is already down there and can’t get himself out. Disgusting abuse of a person, never mind a Celtic player. We are a club open to all and maybe it’s as well you’ve turned your back Kev because those kind of thoughts belong in Nuremberg not parkhead.
CCB,
Get back to your bed. Have you forgotten you’re up late tonight😂😂

McCaff

ATOB…thanks, after posting I re-read the article because I felt I must have got it wrong! But no, this line convinced me my stance is correct “It’s at this juncture I must point out a degree of hypocrisy on behalf of the support, at least on behalf of many”.
My wee fella loves to get selfies with the players outside Parkheid and we can spend an inordinate amount of time hanging about after games to indulge him. When Griffiths first signed the stewards were trying to clear the mob away from the pitchside doors to allow a car out…the car was an old Vauxhall Astra -not the quality or age of car you’d expect a wealthy young footballer to be travelling in – but inside was Griffiths and three female companions! Given the stories of his various kids by various partners I thought it was hilarious! But now, for me, there’s no joke. His actions, not only in the latest case, have pushed a very forgiving support to the limit. Time to go Sparky!

St tams

Good article Mahe.
A question I would like to ask is. Who sanctioned the year extension on this guys contract, because I don’t believe it was Ange.
Forget about his latest issue for a minute.
This is a guy who was so overweight and unfit at the beginning of last season, that he wasn’t even taken on preseason training.
The guy is so unprofessional it’s unbelievable.
He’s also had a calf injury for about 3 years.
Shop him off to Hibs or whoever are stupid enough to take him.

Squire Danaher

McCaff

I understand the point you make but I think this piece challenges those who booed Griffiths to consider wider issues and, if you like, multi-layer morality.

Maybe it chimes with my morality in that I can agree with the article on the basis of not having renewed my ST for first time in 26 years, and being genuinely conflicted about Griffiths continuing to be a Celtic player, based on my personal and professional beliefs.

I do not in any way condone his behaviour which brought not only himself but the club into disrepute. We’ve had the ‘boo or not’ debate and I’m not going into that again as people know the arguments.

The main thrust of the piece for me is the challenge to the reader that, if you’ve funded the PLC by renewing your ST, when you’re metaphorically pointing the finger at Griffiths by booing him, you’re pointing three metaphorical fingers back at yourself based on your de facto support of the morally conflicted PLC. Casting the first stone and all that.

Real world morality is rarely black and white. I guess it’s a matter of taste and opinion if you choose like Mahe to equate voluntarily signing up/being emotionally blackmailed to get shafted with the actions of Griffiths.

Jobo Baldie

Good morning friends.
pleased to see that the Predictor thing now shows 54 entrants. So, yes, we are currently going for 55!

The king

Yous won’t be booing if he scores the winner against the zombies that’s for sure!!!

McCaff

Squire…I can’t disagree with you… except for the line I reposted to ATOB – “It’s at this juncture I must point out a degree of hypocrisy on behalf of the support, at least on behalf of many” – if I choose, or not, to renew my Season Book I have made a decision to accept the terms of reference laid down by our dishonest selfish greedy Board. That is my call as it is with others. To accept Griffiths’ terms of reference would be a step too far for me. As much as I accept your point of Mahe trying to educate us to look at the bigger picture maybe we have but maybe the actions of Griffiths appear so despicable, so depraved that we are compelled to feel disgusted by him. As I said in my first comment these issues are incompatible.

McCaff

The King…I hope he doesn’t get the chance!

Craig 76

Mea culpa
Well done on OUT OF BREATH winning yesterday
I had it on my acca but was let down in a later race,will definitely be looking out for it in the future 👍

Jobo Baldie

Well, that’s my traditional ante-post football bet placed. To win their respective leagues – Dunfermline (8/1), Edinburgh City (6/1), West Brom (7/1), Sunderland (7/1).
£1 singles, 50p doubles, 50p trebles and £1 fourfold. £10 staked and I expect to be rewarded with around £5,300 😉. But will probably just get the one ‘winner’ and not even get my stake back.

McCaff

Whit aboot the ‘Tic at 7/4 Jobo, a nice wee banker fur ye!

bada bing1

That was a wake up call for Griffiths, the Club has given him the best of support, and he slaps us in the face again, last chance saloon, I would have chased him TBH.

Leggy

Morning all,

Craig76,

I also had Out of Breath in my Lucky 15

Never saw any racing yesterday but checked my line this morning with 3 out of 4 winners .

The other Euchen Glen placed second. Thems the breaks !!!!!

#GambleresponsiblyCSC🍀🍀

Craig 76

Leggy 👍
Did you not back them E/W
My acca went W,P,P,L,L,W,P all at Musselburgh yesterday

fan

From previous page.

Cosy Corner Bhoy
I know Kev J is always seeking to be deleted and martyred ‘ for the cause ‘, but the suggestion that Bitton is throwing games because he is Jewish is both appalling and derogatory and even perhaps Anti Semitism. It is my opinion that the insinuation should be redacted on those grounds. Not all Israelis are Jews and not all Jews are Israelis. The fact that he has tattoos to his liking, presumably, is of no consequence in his ability or inability to play for Celtic. The fact is he is rubbish at football especially the defending part of it and constantly being on the wrong side whilst defending is a cardinal sin in the art of defence. Bitton should be ‘ redacted ‘ as a Celtic player never mind Kev J’s insinuation.
Now for the new article😁.

fan

The booing of Griff was not solely directed at him.
He is not guilt free.
But the frustration of the fans at the club being unprepared yet again for the start of the season.
Griff has been a huge reason for this for at least the last 3 and magnifies how unprofessional we are as a football club.
The malaise has enveloped the whole club and even the lifeboats won’t save us unless the PLC changes course.

SFTB

https://sentinelcelts.com/2021/07/31/boo-bhoys/#comment-176335

Many thanks Craig-we now have 56 members- one more than Sevco titles- and all have made their predictions apart from Fess 19 who still has 3 to do, including the Celtic game.

I have great appreciation of your support.

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KEVJ

Utterly disgraceful post at the end of yesterday’s article. It has not been censored-as you suggested-it has been deleted entirely.

You know the very few rules on here,you continually break them.

ASWGL

The least said by me about Griffiths the better, one of a lot of players who knew what last year meant to the fans, Eddie another but at least he kept himself fit while pretending to GAF instead of sticking the two giant fingers up that Griffiths did.

SFTB instead of shining too bright a light on the guys doing the predictor, give yourself a pat on the back son, for organising it and making a worthwhile charitable donation. On behalf of everyone well done 👏👏

bada bing1

James McCarthy rumour

saltires en Sevilla

fan
The booing of Griff was not solely directed at him.
He is not guilt free.
But the frustration of the fans at the club being unprepared yet again for the start of the season.
Griff has been a huge reason for this for at least the last 3 and magnifies how unprofessional we are as a football club.
The malaise has enveloped the whole club and even the lifeboats won’t save us unless the PLC changes course.

July 31, 2021 10:44 am

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Some interesting views on our errant striker today.

It’s a complex case and full of potential pitfalls and division, would not like this to land on my desk.

Fan and Squire are closest to articulating my own uncertain/conflicted views.

Another fine bloody mess!

Craig 76
Maestro Fan

There are enough grounds that Griff is a busted flush to punt him before you even get into his apparently many personal failings.

The fact he’s still there is yet another symptom of a decaying, rotten club run by the enemy within. The ‘we’re only here to watch the team’ mob will reap what they sow. Sadly so will the rest of us. Never been one to give the bosses a free pass myself.

Maestro Fan

To clarify, I don’t say SB renewers are one and the same as the ‘we’re only here to watch the team’ set. Renewing your SB is a perfectly legitimate choice and doesn’t necessarily denote an uncritical stance on the Board. Plenty of Board critics have renewed.

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MAESTROFAN et al

I freely admit that I was in favour of giving Griff another year. This is despite the fact that his forty goal season was five years ago,and that he has wasted those five years since,for one reason or another.

He is still the best striker we have-if we can get him motivated. Or if he bliddy gives himself a long overdue shake.

After the incident with the 15yo,naw. He is damned lucky that it went no further-Adam Johnson got six years for “consensual” relationship with a 15yo,remember.

No crime committed,apparently. Whoopy do. Bin him for bringing the club into disrepute-that constitutes Gross Industrial Misconduct.

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MAESTROFAN

I think the number of board critics who have renewed vastly outweighs their supporters!

junglegerry

As Ange would say.G”Day cobbers.
Iam loooking forward to seeing our new Japanese BHOY Kyogo in action, And thon big startrek guy.

Jobo Baldie

junglegerry –
I don’t expect Kyogo to start. But if he were to come on and make the same impact that Scott Sinclair did on his debut at Tynecastle, that’d do me!

junglegerry

Jobo.H H,
Same thoughts as yourself,I am just looking forward to seeing the new players in the Hoops.

SFTB

We now have 60 members in the Superbru comp- I will check at 1.29 pm to see if there are any more last minute entries. Don’t worry if you miss the first game deadline. Everyone is predicting a win for Sevco while I am assured it will be 5:0 to the Livi🤤

You won’t be too far behind if you join late- hoping for 7 more- would be nice

SteveNaive

A very good bigger picture on the booing. A friend was on holiday so of course he got a ticket for West Ham. I went in his stead and texted we could get a doing when I saw their team. LG was booed on the mass entrance at the start of the second half and thereafter at every touch and corner ( probably still the best striker of a ball at the club) It took a bit but the booing started to get ( almost) drowned out by cheers. A small group ( and it certainly wasn’t that) can make a big noise in a crowd. I did neither but willed him to score as I would any Celt in any game. Others are correct in that he became the object of the fans derision and frustration made flesh but the booing grates and should have been directed at the ‘ board’ He is a symptom of the mess we are in, not the sole cause of it. He should have gone after last pre season but here he is. Wonder how Big Jock would have dealt with him? There were many kids at the game and I could only guess what they made of it. Open season if he comes on tonight.

Craig 76

SFTB
I did not pick the Huns for a win.
I will never pick the Huns to win in the predictor 😀

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SFTB

Congratulations on the number of members,mate. That’s a wad of cash to a well-deserving cause which otherwise would not have happened.

SFTB

https://sentinelcelts.com/2021/07/31/boo-bhoys/#comment-176371

Couldn’t have done it without the support from the blogs- thanks to you all.

62 approved for Superbru by start of Sevco match- off to watch a bit of it now that I have missed their pre-match celebrations

SFTB

We have 8 predicting a draw for Livi and 2 predicting a win for them, 52 have opted for a Sevco win with 6:0 by Marspapa being the most “optimistic” forecast

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SFTB

I would suggest that MARSPAPA hang his head in shame-except that he was only a goal in front of my prediction!

SFTB

Livi one down already- it wasn’t a good sign that they’ve appeared with a sash on their strips

Auldheid

The importance of being resolute.

Perhaps a subject to be picked up next week before the next game.

http://etims.net/?p=17069#comment-1021518

Auldheid

Jobo
Leggy

This came up in yesterday’s monologue. 😉

In relation to the myth/unreality of Scottish football clung to by the Blue Bampots , (55 titles, same club, not guilty of any serious wrongdoing etc) I mentioned Platos’s Cave and whilst I think the allegory applies to all of humanity I’ve concluded that in that cave there is an even deeper one where the fire burns with blue fame.

The relevance of that allegory to today’s world I think anyone reading this excellent article will recognise.

https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/22/plato-allegory-cave-connection-present-greece/

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AULDHEID

If you send us it,we will publish it. Our pleasure,as we all want to keep the light shining ON the darkness.

Craig 76

So it took a whole 8mins for my 1st predictor score to tank oh well 🤣🤣

bada bing1

No card for Aribo….Sky don’t show the replay,what a surprise

SFTB

23 of the competitors in Superbru go straight to the top by predicting the very predictable 3:0 outcome at Ibrox.

Auldheid

Mahe

A brave article. Morality is a bit like pregnancy you cannot be a little bit pregnant.

I think what we are all having to face not just as Celtic supporters but human beings is a challenge to ourselves to do the right thing when the right thing is such to the person making the judgement.

I’ve often asked myself if what I’ve got involved in is doing the right thing. I’ve told myself it is and some agree but the outcome so far has not been what I was hoping for.

That link I posted

https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/22/plato-allegory-cave-connection-present-greece/

about what recognising reality does, had I known about it in 2013, might have made me wonder if I wanted to go down the path I chose.

In terms of what booing Griffith’s tells us is that as a species we are not morally pregnant yet.

On the issue of retaining him there are factors at play. He was given a contract extension before news broke of the police complaint. Celtic needed numbers as a consequence of The Board’s gross incompetence. His unfitness last season does not matter if he is fit enough to play this, although had AP not needed an experienced forward with a good scoring record a higher level of fitness will be required in the weeks ahead.

Post complaint and public awareness of it, none of the above disappeared and as LG was not charged with a criminal offence
what were his rights as an employee under standard Human Resource Dept rules? Did grounds under those rules exist for ending his contract?

However what he was accused of triggers a fear in every parent that runs deep and given Celtic have not exactly covered themselves in glory when it comes to dealing with historical child abuse claims that give that mob a bat to beat us with , to use a phrase ‘ the optics are bad’.

I reckon that he will be transferred if possible and for as long as we are weak in numbers his presence will have to be tolerated.

Until then, if fit and selected, he should be the subject of the supports rancour as any player is and that is his performance as a footballer paid good money by supporters to do his job to the best of his ability.

Auldheid

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AULDHEID

If you send us it,we will publish it. Our pleasure,as we all want to keep the light shining ON the darkness.
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If you mean the one at the E Tims link I was thinking as I wrote the comment about making Celtic accountability it was worth a blog.

I’ll go over it again as I’ve had further thoughts since re CST role and send you it.

SFTB

Going on Alphabetical order, Belmont Brian may be our first leader in the comp

Auldheid

SFTB

I went for 2 0 . Close but no cigar. 🙂

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