If you know your history – 15th September

36 years ago – Friday 13th September, 1985 was Jock Stein’s funeral. The Big Man was taken far too soon, but he was doing something he dearly loved to do … winning a football match …he was very good at it.

Very, very, very good.

His memory and his legacy will resonate forever…

“I enjoy being manager here, because I like the people who support us.”

Jock Stein

120 years ago – 1901 and Celtic are slap bang in the middle of two games in three days. Yesterday (Saturday) Clyde visited Celtic Park for a Glasgow Cup tie ( 1st round)There are no details of teams or scorers but Celts won 3-0.

September Weekend and Holiday Monday with 6000 fans enjoying the Easter Road sunshine for this League match. Unfortunately, there are no details of the match reported other than some smart-ass informing us that the behaviour of the all-irish fans was “better than usual”…. here’s hoping he enjoyed the Celtic victory (2-1)

Celtic:
McArthur; Watson and Davidson; Moir, Loney and Orr; Crawford, Livingstone, Campbell, McMahon and McOustra.

Goalscorers McMahon 30, Crawford 82

Hibs:
Rennie, Hogg and Glen; Breslin, Harrower and Robertson; McCartney, McGeachan, Hanlon, Callaghan, Orr
Goalscorers Hanlon (penalty 50)

Referee:
Attendance: 6000

70 years ago … 1951 is a Saturday, and on the previous Wednesday 61,000 fans ‘welcomed’ English FA Cup Holders Newcastle to decide the unofficial British Cup ‘winners’. Celtic having won the Scottish Cup v Motherwell in May (1-0 McPhail). It seems the Newcastle chairman had expectations of a ‘friendly’ and was surprised at the intensity of the crowd which was fully matched the Celtic players. McPhail and Tully are mentioned in dispatches as applying more vigour than skill … perhaps the Magpies’ goalkeeper Ronnie Simpson could have forewarned his employer that Celts don’t play ‘friendlies’ and especially not against the reigning FA Cup Winners. The game ended 3-3 thanks to an 80th minute O.G. (Duncan)

A fresh-faced Ronnie Simpson standing beside Bobby Evans before the unofficial British Cup Winners match at Celtic Park

Celtic: Bonnar; Fallon, Rolls; Evans, Boden, Baillie; Collins, Walsh, McPhail, Peacock, Tully.

Scorers: Walsh (14), Evans (48), Duncan og (80)

Newcastle United:
Ronnie Simpson ; Duncan, Corbett; Harvey, Brennan, E Robledo; Walker, Taylor, G Robledo, Hannah, Mitchell.
Scorers: Robledo 2 (7, 67), Taylor (76),

Referee: J Mowat
Attendance: 61,000

An interesting point to note about this fixture was the ‘gate’ money, £4,300 excluding tax and stand. In 1951 there was a cap on footballer’s wages: minimum £7 maximum £14 per week, so even allowing for normal match day expenses and travel & lodgings ( gate share) there was a significant profit to be made from these games. Both clubs could easily expect to clear £1k.

Some context might be helpful here: Charlie Tully was signed for an “enormous signing on fee” of £8,500 from Belfast Celtic in 1948 – Thomas McSorley)

On this actual day Celtic met Forfar Athletic in a League Cup Quarter-Final 1st leg tie at Celtic Park achieving a comfortable 4-1 lead to take to Station Park for the Second leg.

Teams

Celtic: Devanny; Fallon, Rolls; Evans, Mallan, Baillie; Collins, Walsh, McPhail, Peacock, Tully.
Scorers: Peacock (31), Collins (44), Baillie (51), Walsh (71)

Forfar:
Ingram; McNellis, McLuskey; McLean, McKenzie, Falconer; Adams, Fearns, Lawrence, Cunningham, Meechan.
Scorers: Cunningham (87)

Referee: H P Anderson (Edinburgh)
Attendance: 28,000

In other news…

“Gentlemen Prefer Blondes” closes at Ziegfeld NYC after 740 performance

Emile Zatopek runs world record 20k (1:01:15.8)

50 years ago … 1971 and Celts fans are nursing sore heads as their team have just completed a Hat-trick of wins at Ibrox in 28 days.

Both Glasgow clubs had been drawn in the same League Cup section ( H&A). As Celtic Park was being renovated it was decided that Ibrox would host Celtic’s home game. Hampden was also being renovated and Big Jock had initially suggested that their home tie be played at Ibrox, which Rangers rather bizarrely rejected. Morton then offered to host the tie, but The Scottish League sensibly stepped in and ordered the tie be all-ticket at Ibrox.

Celts won both League Cup ties 2-0 (14th Aug) 0-3 (28th Aug). A wonderful 5-0 aggregate victory and heady stuff, even considering the Quality at that time. To add to the bluenose’ woes Kenny Dalglish scored his first goal (pen) in front of The Broomlands Road End jammed full of Celtic fans.

The Third game is a League match played on Saturday 11th September. Celtic had rested McNeill, Murdoch and Johnstone at Kilbowie and returned to the team raring to go. Alfie Conn is sent off and the Celtic fans are singing ” they’ll be jumping oot the windows when we win….” seemingly Rangers fans were not handling defeats too well at this point.

Jimmy Johnstone out jumped the Rangers defence to header home a 90th minute winner.

Oh my days…3 Wins at Ibrox in a month.

Hero of heroes -Stevie Chalmers is transferred to Morton today.

Rangers:
McCloy, Jardine, Mathieson, Greig, McKinnon, MacDonald, McLean (Henderson 60), Penman, Stein, Conn, Johnston.
Goals: Johnston (pen 31), Stein ( 45)

Celtic: Williams, Hay, Brogan, Murdoch, McNeill, Connelly, Johnstone, Lennox, Dalglish, Callaghan, Macari. sub: Gemmell
Goals: Macari (8), Dalglish (55), Johnstone (90)

Referee: J W Paterson (Bothwell)
Attendance: 67,000

Kenny scores equaliser.

Jinky soars….. for the last-minute winner.

General stuff:

1820 Constitutionalist revolution in Lisbon, Portugal

1821 Act of Independence of Central America: Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras & Nicaragua declare their independence from the Spanish Empire

1830 First National Negro Convention begins in Philadelphia

1830 First passenger to be killed by a railway train (William Huskisson in England)

1870 British Open Men’s Golf, Prestwick GC: Tom Morris, Jr. wins third straight title; again beats Bob Kirk, this time by 12 strokes

1879 Pim Mulier forms Royal Haarlemsche Football Club based in Haarlem, Netherlands; oldest existing club in Dutch football

1916 First use of tanks in warfare, “Little Willies” at Battle of Flers-Courcelette, part of the Battle of the Somme

1928 Scottish bacteriologist Alexander Fleming discovers penicillin while studying influenza

1930 British naval fleet mutinies at Invergordon over pay cuts

1978 Muhammad Ali beats Leon Spinks in 15 rounds for heavyweight boxing title

1982 Pope John Paul II receives PLO leader Yasser Arafat

1993 Single “I’d Do Anything for Love (But I Won’t Do That)” sung by Meat Loaf and composed by Jim Steinman (sic) is released. Goes on to be No. 1 in 28 countries.

Note: The excellent Celtic Wiki site is the font of all knowledge on things Celtic. Most of the Celtic stuff above is from that site. The guys who set it up and painstakingly keep it updated, deserve no end of credit, praise and thanks. A treasure trove for Celtic fans young and old – and new- and free to view.

Respect Bhoys!

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/m/

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big packy

MORNING ALL and JIM, saltires what can i say fantastic stuff once again,was at all those games against thems at ibrox, and im still celebrating 50 years later.👍👍

big packy

BTW, have to fill in my user name every time i post.where is ASWGL when you need him😎

Cosy Corner Bhoy

SeS: 1951 Cup final! Heady days indeed! My first trophy winning game after going since July 1943. Great memories. Mark you ,I don’t remember the 1921 game😀. As always a great read and a memory of some kind remembered by everyone I should think.
Time for golf, or what passes for golf these days.

St tams

Great stuff SeS
Love these articles.

Leggy

SeS,

Magnificent yet again 👏👏👏👏👏

RIP Jock Stein.

Can’t believe it’s 36 years.

Have a fine day everyone.

HH 🍀🍀🍀

Ps
I also had to put in my details again !!!

Big Audio Dynamite

He’ll do anything for love, but he won’t do THAT.
The question is, what won’t he do?

Buy a season book? 😁

Good stuff, Saltires!

Jobo Baldie

Good morning, friends.
Big Audio Dynamite – made me laugh! 😁
I also have to sign in each time I open up the site…

Henrikschip

SES

Great stuff as usual. My recollection from the time was that Big Jock was absolutely bealing with der Hun and the Scottish League ( who have never done anything sensible in their lives) and vowed to stuff them at Ipox. I have rarely seen a Celtic team so motivated against thems as it was during those 3 games. Only added to my respect for Big Jock and gave us bragging rights for some quite time. Great memories.

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JOBO,LEGGY,BIGPACKY et al.

I dunno why that has happened,but I suspect it is to do with the recent WordPress update which buggers the site’s settings.

I’m Alright,Jack-so pull the ladder up! But only on my iPad and laptop. For a few years,anytime I open an article for the first time on my phone,I have to input my moniker and addy.

Bit of a drawback with a moniker like mine! So I just c&p the moniker,and write the mail addy. After that,it is usually there until I click on another article from the site. I don’t think the above helps particularly,but misery loves company!

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HENRIKSCHIP

I was only 8yo at the time,but yes,Jock was none too happy. My pals in Kilwinning told me after their “away” tie…

Wait till we get ye at home!

Hunskelpin was a happy habit then,and one that we need to get back into. It’s addictive!!!

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SALTIRES

Magic stuff,with some bittersweet memories.

My opinions on the 77-78 season are well known,I certainly did not hold Jock responsible for the injuries and lack of support from White. White was a nasty vindictive and worse piece of work who sowed the seeds of the clubs destruction in the twenty years after he arrived as Chairman.

Jock was not once allowed to spend six figures on a player. To achieve what he did was simply miraculous. There’s a very good reason that the mural on the wall behind me has twelve legends,and not just those eleven Lisbon Lions.

PS-I know full well that John Fallon was The Twelfth Lisbon Lion,and that he even got his deserved medal. Eventually. As did the other four players.

Cyber pint if you can name the four of them.

jimthetim53

Re. the signing on issue, it’s no big deal, only takes me a few seconds once a day! 🙂

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CCB

Glad you liked that – always thinking of your generation …and still looking for unusual snippets from the ‘faithful’ period. It’s interesting how long you had to wait to see a ‘first trophy’ and I recall how my dad had only ever ‘seen’ one more League flag than me before he passed away.

That ( dareisay … your) generation didn’t seek respect from their children and grandchildren .. but they sure as hell got/get it, and deservedly so.

Turning up in thousands .. no covering from the elements and standing on sodden cinder/wooden terracing ….usually expecting to get beat … the dark humour …5 Sorrowful Mysteries. Quietly hoping to see a glimpse of the green leaves of recovery and a wee gem of a ‘player’….an outside chance of future success… how valued and cherished was that ’51 Cup or the ’54 double … Coronation Cup…. Hampden in the Sun…. Fallon, Evans, Mochan, Fernie, Collins…Tully… Teasy Weazy..

One of the many successes of this blog is the respect shown to others – generally, and I won’t give the odd hater that creeps about here any more oxygen – they are the exception that proves the rule.

It may be a small group and with a few pensioners … to me it’s like a wee virtual supporters bus with around 30/50 turning up for a bit of fellowship and craic…who couldn’t be happy with that, especially if it’s in the absence of anything else by way of daily interaction.

Ponder that…

Contrast this with some of the horrible chat about ‘Celtic Da’s’ and general antipathy to old/fatter/less-able technically etc that we see on at least one other site ( Remains nameless)… this from folk who claim to stand for diversity and inclusion … strange kinda Celts …. not my kind of Celts to be absolutely truthful. It’s interesting that it’s not called out, as some of the longer term posters mainly fall into the maligned category.

Maybe it’s just banter…

Thanks lads and lassies – if you want any particular event or period covered, just let me know.

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Bobby

Without googling

1. yogi Hughes
2. Joe McBride
3. Charlie Gallagher
4. Willie O’Neill

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SALTIRES

Absolutely correct,and it was just-and so good-to see them being recognised a few years back for their achievements. All contributed so all should gain.

I think that Joe had scored an incredible 43 goals before he was injured in December-my recollection from reading the famous “Celtic 45-70” book by Tom Campbell. Hopefully it is still in PADDYSMAW’s loft along with my signed photo of The Lions.

My intention for tomorrow’s article is to write mainly about Seville. Well,eighteen years ago. I don’t think there will be many Saltires in evidence tomorrow. Nor Celtic fans either. The fallout from this pandemic lingers on for so many.

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Jobo Baldie (signing in again ;-) )

Saltires at 12:27 – you summed up my feelings perfectly when you said this,
“One of the many successes of this blog is the respect shown to others – generally, and I won’t give the odd hater that creeps about here any more oxygen – they are the exception that proves the rule.
It may be a small group and with a few pensioners … to me it’s like a wee virtual supporters bus with around 30/50 turning up for a bit of fellowship and craic…who couldn’t be happy with that, especially if it’s in the absence of anything else by way of daily interaction.
Ponder that…”
Me, I’m glad I currently have a seat on this bus.

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Jobo

Aye buddy cheers -Just crossing the French border ….Mahe will be ’round at your seat soon with the sweep tickets…

No. 9 ‘away’ 50p ….already taken 💃🏻

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JOBO and SALTIRES

Glad you guys are along,as goes for everyone else.

Shame you couldn’t make the hoot,but perfectly understandable. I was only home for two weeks at the time,and had to take two tests while I was there. Both negative,thankfully. Never yet had to have a test down here though.

Fingers crossed,that continues. And fingers crossed that in general we can all contribute to the bonhomie on the site,and just allow the trolls to bump their gums to no avail.

BTW,the morning after the hoot,my Dad caught an early bus from Glasgow as he and ATHINGOFBEAUTY had to be at Irvine CSC early doors. Left me at a loose end in the city at 930 on a Sunday morning. So I wandered up to John Lewis for a coffee then back to West Nile Street,where I knew there was an early pub at 11am.

“Pint of lager please,and the obligatory roll and skwerr”

Usually,it annoys me having to buy food under the circumstances-I only want a pint! This time,I was Hank Marvin!!!

“Nae food the day,mate.”

Blinkin flip…

Anyway,watched the game in what might be the only town centre mixed pub. Smashing day,apart from the result obviously. Damned decent beer too.

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The fairytale of a Sheriff from Moldova appearing in The Champions League?

Maybe not. We know corruption is rife in the game,but this article seems to expose an entirely new level.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/14/sports/soccer/champions-league-sheriff-tiraspol.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Sports

CaltonTongues

Calum out tomorrow due to a knock.

Abada out due to religious reasons, WTF, poor anyway.

HH

big packy

hey who was that poster last night moaning about old codgers on here, the only old codgers i know are jimthetim53 and solkitts 😎😎

A thing of beauty

Calton Tongues,
We will miss McGregor tomorrow I’m a big way. No one else can control the play for us and take the ball in tight spaces. I hope McCarthy can but I hae ma doots!!

big packy

THE REAL MCOY, wait till graham lyle finds out yours truly was born in bellshill like himself well i was told id go far in the music business, i did billericay basildon and now cheshire 😎

big packy

bought this record in 1971, played it till the needle broke on my dansette record player, the late vincent crane on hammond organ what a musician.

junglegerry

H.H.
Yom KippurTomorrow,The day of atonement, the holiest day in jewish religeon i believe.
Liel has probably made a request to be able to fulfill his religeous duty. JG.

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Bobby

Those Sheriffs make Sevco look like Forest Green… kinda…

junglegerry

I hope ange does not play soro tomorrow, Nothing against the guy i just dont think this is his level.
SPFL yes Europa League no.
IMO, JG.

Prestonpans bhoys

If we are comparing this website to a wee supporters bus, is there a collection for the driver😱

junglegerry

PP Bhoys.
A whip round for the driver eh ?
Nae bother.
Put me down for twenty lashes.
JG.

ASWGL

SES another great look through the ages, always enjoy these, only shock I have is see-ing Stevie Chalmers our Lisbon hero being transferred to Morton *yikes* I don’t recall that at all. over 400 appearances for Celtic and over 200 goals.

I guess it was inevitable when Joe McBride had a better scoring average 86 goals in 94 appearances. I recall Stevie being at the Jags later on, but just can’t recall the transfer to Morton.

Every day is a school day. 👍

Leggy

Jobo,

Remember the Supporters Bus from EK that tried to register under the name, “Crossmaglen Rocket Launchers “.

Can’t think why Celtic knocked back the name ??

Strange one that !!!!

HH 🍀🍀

The Real McCoy

Big Packy,
You old Prog-Rock Devil 👿
Vince Crane played keyboard for Rory Gallagher and the best drummer fae Coatbrig 😂 played drums( not at the same time) .
Devil’s Answer 🤔

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O75iSwHnx-Y

ASWGL

big packy Jobo and all, I’ve had a look through the site settings, and I can’t see anything that has changed, to make you all re-sign in, I only have to put down my forum nick and any email address only once (unless i close my browser) as I don’t allow cookies to store on my PC.

So i’m not sure why some of you have to re-enter details it works fine here.

bada bing1

32 streets closed in Glasgow this Saturday for the hun hordes, stay away.

The Real McCoy

Bobby et al,
I was genuinely pleased for Sheriff Tiraspol
as ‘ minnows’ reaching the Group Stages. 😇.
‘ Blinkin’ Flip ‘ 🤬
Thanks for sharing that info .

MAGUA

Saltires

An absolute privilege to read your stuff, as usual.

All previous generations of Celtic supporters, not only respected those that came before them, but honoured them…and loved absorbing any knowledge of the club, that their elders imparted. The ‘Celtic Da’ mob do not deserve to support this great club. By disparaging previous generations of Celtic supporters, they indirectly insult the founding fathers and the original Celtic support.

I honestly don’t get them. Are their views due do selfishness? Hubris? Feck knows. I generally try to ignore them.

Hail Hail.

big packy

THE REAL MCOY, thanks for that, had forgotten about that one, and death walks behind you. https://youtu.be/rKRfIKQI8CY

big packy

ASWGL, its no problem pal, its only my first post then its back to normal👍

junglegerry

Bada Bing.
Stocked up the stores and booze for this weekend,Friday PM.
Batten Down the hatches and go into hibernation till monday.
Would not walk the same streets as THEM.JG.

big packy

JIM is either watching emmerdale farm ,coronation st, hercule poirot or take the high road,.another true story,😎

MAGUA

Junglegerry

I will be doing the same on Saturday. It’s beyond comprehension, that these Fascist bastards are allowed to march at all…far less taking over the full city.

In a civilised country, such a thing would not be allowed to happen. Thanks for feck-all, Glasgow City Council.

Hail Hail.

jimthetim53

Packy, will catch you later on pal.

big packy

no problem jim.👍

Fan

Will be interesting to see side without McGregor and Abada?
Ange may have to change his philosophy and play a more defensive set uo.
The reality is neither provides any defensive capabilities so in strange way could work out for us.
We will of course miss Abada’s threat and McGregor’s ability to retain possession.
Will Ralston play full back and Juranovic bolster midfield?
Montgomery should get nod at left back but maybe Scales will be used as he has European experience.
Or will Welsh make an appearance as a defensive mid alongside McCarthy?
Ajeti will have to show more movement than he did at weekend to lead the line.
Turnbull and Jota should have remit to attack last third in support.
Turnbull could play higher with 2 defensive mids behind.
Will be an interesting night and a test of our squad depth.

MAGUA

BMCUW

I see that you mentioned Tom Campbell’s book:’Glasgow Celtic 1945-70′. This was the first serious book on Celtic, that I ever read. Up until then, it was ‘Playing For Celtic’ every Christmas. Interesting factoid:The author completed the book, whilst working as a teacher in Ottawa, Canada. His main sources, were newspaper articles from Scottish media, which covered the period. Quite a feat, in the late 60s.

The book was re-printed a number of years ago.

Big Packy

There’s a cracking photo on ‘The Celtic Star’ today, of Tims on the terracing, at the 72 cup final. My first. Hope all is well.

Hail Hail

Fan

Saltires en Sevilla
Another great read.
Keep them coming.
HH

big packy

MAGUA, cheers pal, as usual I was there in amongst them,👍

big packy

another true story 1970/1971 i worked in the brickworks in glenboig i say glenboig it was halfway between coatbridge and glenboig, so you had a lot of airdrie and glenmavis people working there, you knew them because they always wore their rangers scarves cant think why😎 but there were three guys, rab allen, jim leckie, and wullie woods,, they never ever showed their colours but going by the names i assumed they were huns, but they knew i was a catholic and a celtic supporter, but they could not have been nicer to me, they are all probably deceased by now, but god bless them, they did not make me feel inferior..H.H.

Squire Danaher

ASWGL
SES another great look through the ages, always enjoy these, only shock I have is see-ing Stevie Chalmers our Lisbon hero being transferred to Morton *yikes* I don’t recall that at all. over 400 appearances for Celtic and over 200 goals.

I guess it was inevitable when Joe McBride had a better scoring average 86 goals in 94 appearances. I recall Stevie being at the Jags later on, but just can’t recall the transfer to Morton.

Every day is a school day. 👍

September 15, 2021 3:34 pm

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J McBride had long gone by the time S Chalmers had left. You will be aware he was injured on Christmas Eve 1966, and missed the rest of that season and more.

Jimmy McGrory said he was the best Celtic striker he’d ever seen.

https://www.thecelticwiki.com/players/all-time-a-to-z-of-celtic-players/m/mcbride-joe/