A Personal View On Religious Differences

Morning,all.

Today sees a guest article from SOLKITTS. Read on,and maybe it should be read by some of the high heid yins elsewhere too.

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A lot has been said over the years by a lot of people, trying to rationalise how religion has become part of our national game.  We are all caught up in this if we are Scottish, especially so if we hail from the west of Scotland, and even more so if we have Irish Catholic roots.

I fit 2 of these criteria.  

I am Scottish and from the West of Scotland, I have no Irish or Catholic roots.  I attended the local non-denominational Academy, separated from BMCUWP’s Academy by the length of a playing field

There was less than a mile between these 2 schools, but in the 1970s it may as well have been 1000.  

I have to say that at that time I was not interested in club football.  Sure, I loved the game, but I detested the baggage that went with it.  I have vivid recollections of a classmate leading the class of 15 year olds in a chorus of the Billy Boys, and being shocked when a teacher came into the classroom and joined in.  There were a few of us who wouldn’t join the hatefest, and this led to a festering resentment from those who did.

Now, anyone who knows me will be aware that I don’t follow the crowd just for an easier life.  

Unfortunately, not everyone is able to resist and ends up in the chorus, initially singing the songs just to fit in, then becoming part of the gang and part of the problem.

The Catholic school were largely viewed as the enemy, through fear of the unknown.  RE in our school was delivered by a Metalwork teacher (!) and consisted of an hour a week of being told that Catholics were different from “us”, although no explanation of this difference was ever given.  Despite the close proximity of the other school, we had no contact with them other than the occasional fight in the playing field between the two.

I reckon somewhere over 90% of kids left my school with a WATP mentality.  Kids were taught to follow follow Rangers, anyone who had the temerity to support Celtic were viewed as turncoats, traitors, and treated as such by the mob.

It all changed for me when, in 6th year, a new pupil came to our school, a Catholic lad who for whatever reason was not allowed to attend the local Catholic school.  I don’t remember why, I just remember thinking that he seemed like a decent person, not like the monsters our Billy Boys singing morons and some teachers would have us believe inhabited the other place across the field.

In that final year of school, he was one of my best mates.

I’ve been out of the school environment for 42 years, and it saddens me that a supposedly enlightened country like Scotland still has this hatred running through it.  I have no idea what happens in Catholic schools, whether the hate is reciprocated.  All I can do is make judgement based on personal experience.  

My best mate for the last 40 years is Catholic.  A number of my family are Catholic (and this from a family where my grandfather refused to attend his son’s wedding because he was marrying a Catholic girl).  Maybe my generation of the family rebelled against this attitude and bigotry because we knew it was wrong.  

Sadly, this attitude clearly still holds sway in too many families in Scotland.

I moved my family to Essex when my kids were very young, ostensibly for work reasons, but with the additional benefit that they would not be exposed to the hatred I experienced at school, against people who became friends and relatives, by mindless morons. 

And then Saturday,wow-yet I saw that there are people blaming Catholic schools for the “sectarian” problems in Scotland.  I suggest they need to think back on their own school experience, to the constant bigotry of their classmates, the “join in or suffer the consequences” mantra.  Had they shown the moral fortitude to say ENOUGH ALREADY while at school, they maybe wouldn’t be carrying their bigotry into adult life and then passing it onto their offspring.

So, maybe Catholic schools are the problem, but I very much doubt it.  From my experience, the non-denominational Protestant schools need to take a long hard look at themselves and find a way of breaking the chain of hatred, bigotry and racism.  Frankly, unless something has drastically changed, I don’t believe they’re trying.

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Above article from SOLKITTS. Gratefully received,with a number of reasons stated why Scotland as a country has a whole lot of thinking-and growing up-to do.

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BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Superb pass straight through the defence for Jota to finish.

1-0

Craig76

1 nil
Good goal by Jota

2 shouts for handball not given ( no surprise )

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Fannying about at the back gives them a chance.

Craig76

What the fek is all that Passing about at the back do they want raith to score 🤬🤬🤬

big packy

great pass from mcarthy for the goal👍

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Great dummy from Jota,nearly releases Ajeti.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Abada on the rebound from Jota.

2-0

Craig76

Wonder if Ange will give Big Gia the whole 2nd half to show us what he’s got

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Flattered to deceive until the opener,but playing some really good stuff since.

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CRAIG76

Good suggestion!

big packy

lets hope we see a bit of the greek striker second half, apologies for not getting his name, auld age creeping in,😎

Craig76

BMCUWP 👍
Why do we always give teams a helping hand to get back in the game. We go 1 up then fanny about at the back, just get the ball up to their box and keep pressing.

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CRAIG76

That particular bit of effin around at the back wouldn’t even have been acceptable elsewhere on the pitch. Just asking for trouble.

Craig76

BMCUWP
The Mrs told me to stop bloody swearing at the laptop when that was happening 🤣

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Cracker from DT. Picks it up from midfield,strokes home from 25 yards.

Craig76

Missed the goal, bloody cat wanted in and fed 🤬

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Wot,no penalty?

Craig76

Red for raiths no 11

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Red for Zanatta,

Craig76

Oh well no Giorgos the nite then

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Jota not been seen since being moved to the middle.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Slack at the back again to give them a chance.

Craig76

Hartson said earlier that Ajeti is our only fit striker, surely if Giorgos is on the bench then he’s fit to play

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CRAIG76

No better time to bring him on than tonight at 3-0

big packy

how unfit is the greek striker, if he cant even get 15 minutes,?????

Craig76

FT 3 Nil job done
Bring on St Johnstone in the semi’s

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Comfortable enough,once we had scored the first goal.

Craig76

1st and 3rd goals ( can’t find footage of 2nd)
Premier Sports (@PremierSportsTV) Tweeted: A first Celtic goal for Jota! 🍀

And what an assist that is from James McCarthy 🤤 https://t.co/OrtREymy0A https://twitter.com/PremierSportsTV/status/1441119182460899332?s=20

Premier Sports (@PremierSportsTV) Tweeted: A beauty of a curler from David Turnbull! 😍

Celtic in complete control of this quarter final now 🍀 https://t.co/ZFit1DQlYS https://twitter.com/PremierSportsTV/status/1441128935727583237?s=20

Billy Bhoy

Solkitts

Great article!

My wife teaches in a Catholic Secondary school and has often said that nonCatholic colleagues have said for decades that the ethos and atmosphere in RC schools is night and day from non Dom schools.

Its hilarious that in the kirkintilloch area new housing estates always proudly proclaim that they are in the catchment area for Lenzie High School – despite the fact that St Ninians has kicked its arse academically for about 30 years. Despite this, affluent time send their kids there! :-

BTW its ironic that on the day you post this the Green Brigade roll out Wolfe Tones Greatest Hits for the watching world to hear! Absolute own goal considering the absolute kicking the hun has been getting from the SMSM, the Police and the Scottish Government since May. Presumably the wee fuds have been feeling left out.

Prestonpans bhoys

Well that game reminded me of the RC game, same result, but laboured until we scored.
Wish the driver would turn off BbC sportssound as they are very annoying

Gordon64

Job done. And good to see big Liam get on who looked the part HH

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BILLYBHOY

I must admit to being none too impressed by some of our songbook tonight.

Prestonpans bhoys

Billy bhoy
On the GB song sheet at the 67 minute, lights went on phone for the Lisbon song, they just ignored it and continued with their own gig

A thing of beauty

Just in from the game. Decent performance and a top three of McCarthy, Carter vickers and Rogic.
I watched Ajeti very closely first half and I think he moved out the width of the D once. I could have marked him. No wonder we could not score at livi if this was all the midfield had to find. He spent more time pulling his socks up and rubbing his face with his sleeve than he did running. This is worrying as he is the back up to kyogo. If giakoumakis can’t get on tonight for a run out then when will he?
As for the green brigade. Their politics have always come before the support of the team. I often wonder if our new players ever ask the senior pros what the crowd are singing about and what the explanation would be. Rebs for the bus and the car only. Celtic songs for the park.

A thing of beauty

Ffs
Ange reports that Giakoumakis injured his calf in the warm up. Someone up stairs has it in for us. Unbelievable.

St tams

Other than getting to the semi final , that was dire to watch.
Mccarthy and Scales were positives from a very laboured performance.
We are badly missing Mcgregor and Kyogo

Billy Bhoy

Prestonpans Bhoy

Absolutely. There won’t be a worst OG scored this season. Wait till you see the hun media response to this .

I say that as a guy who stood in The Jungle in the 80s belting out all the rebs. But at least we had The Troubles going on at the time.

“Get the troops out NOW” must be THE most cringeworthy chant in world football – yet we have to endure it every fucking week! what troops? Out of where?
Wankers!

Mahe

Mags,
Jesus wouldnt get air time today,, too much anti-system and socialist.
No need to kill anyone like that,,,blacklist him to the airwaves.
And hopefully everyone knows the airwaves are manufactured in such a way as to influence.
(Cordcut please,,don’t expose yourself to main stream media by sticking to simply Netflix or whatever).

The closest we’ve had lived a long life, although he was forced to flee to another country as foreign sponsored war ravaged his country.
Haile Selasie, a guy I would love to have a pint with.

Besides the CIA would leverage another group to do it. In God We Trust and all that.

Hail Hail

Billy Bhoy

BTW – regarding the game…

I feel sorry for Ajeti. To get on the end of 90℅ of the crosses from ANYONE in our team he’d need to be at least 15 feet high!

WTF do we do at Lennoxtown each day? No one can put a cross onto the penalty spot. Its mainly why we failed to win The Ten. The hun score about 70% of their goals from crosses by Tavpen or Barasic. We score none!

It’s one massive difference between us and most other top clubs. If you watch MOTD the quality of cross balls into the box is massively superior to our pitiful attempts!

Prestonpans bhoys

Billy bhoy
Agree, we have replaced Eddie with Ajeti however same tactics. Forward has back to the defence and when he gets to turn around the wingers float balls 15 feet in the air.

Anyway time for my cot zzzzzzz

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Rebus67

I just listened to a radio feature on the mental health aspects of Instagram. Apparently, Facebook, which owns IG, has been conducting research on the mental impacts of its product, especially amongst young teenage girls. The research shows that amongst girls who already have low self esteem, IG can worsen their feelings about their own body image. In essence, IG promotes a false ideal for body image and some feel depressed that their own body bears no relationship to it. They should see what has happened to my body! But, hopefully they won’t! The issue extends to other aspects, such as all my friends are posting about the great time they are having, whilst I am stuck in my dreary lifestyle.

I have spent a good part of the morning scrolling and posting, as many others on here. It makes you wonder what effect it has upon you. Firstly, it creates false norms. Most on here have a low opinion of the Board, but is that the norm amongst the fanbase? Similarly, frequent calls for boycotts, tirades against individual players, the implied collusion between Sevco and Celtic as a business model……all get frequent air time on blogs, twitter, etc. But do these views even register with the population that matters….the fanbase?

It is so easy to accept group think if you use social media. The problem on blogs is self perpetuating. Opponents of majority views can be vilified and eventually leave, so the strength of group think becomes worse. This is the reason that I like to take breaks from the blog. Not that I am saying everyone thinks the same, just that you need to distance yourself from the blog in order to think through issues. At least, I need to do this. However, just like following Celtic, blogging is a form of addiction or habit forming. It needs to be controlled just as other habits like smoking and drinking need to be restrained. Unless, like me, you are a flawed genius, who is disappointed with the World and needs an anaesthetic to numb the pain!

Just some ramblings but think about where you are in all of this.

Rebus