State Of The Nation

Morning,all.

We all know how much the regular international breaks at this time of year piss us off,and actually it has little to do with the fact that few of us have any interest there. No,much of it is because of one simple fact.

International breaks,especially ones as regular as we are having,simply destroy any momentum that we may have. Any continuity,any developing understanding between new team mates.

Conversely,this one may work a little in our favour,as we have comparatively few players on international duty,and so AP might even have a chance to get some quality coaching time with his players. Consider the facts-since the season kicked off,a mere three weeks into his tenure,it has been solid two games a week routines. Read that as day off for recovery,day coaching,day preparing to play.

Could you do your job in a high pressure environment by working one day in three? Personally I can’t see me ever being asked that question for real,but you get my drift.

AP will have a chance to work for some time with the right side of our defence,with a view to tightening up with Ralston and CCV and maybe Welsh,reminding the latter that he is still in the plans. Have a bit of defensive coaching with Monti and Boli. Allow GT to integrate without pushing his injury.

I expect words of encouragement for the likes of G-Mac,with specialised coaching on his finishing,sharpness and fitness. Maybe some positioning to get on the end of crosses from our two young full backs,or Jota. But of course,I’ve said before that our main problem at the moment is that our midfield is not providing the ammo up front,nor protecting the defence when needed.

I think all of our midfield choices this season are on international duty,so they canny be that pish! But I’d much prefer they had some time being thoroughly coached by AP,listening,absorbing his instructions. Dunno what their international managers do,but I suspect it involves letting them faff about on the PlayStation all day.

These are things I am confident that AP will be using this fortnight for,and I don’t think he will be wasting those days. He will obviously be ruing the absentees,but as a former international manager himself,he knows the ropes. There are some things that we,as fans,can use the break for too-and one of them is to briefly assess our season so far,as the title of the article suggests.

So how have AP’s first ten weeks in the dugout gone? Well,there lies a tale of the curate’s egg,I suppose.

For starters,I think he and DMcK had been building up a good relationship,building trust,knowing that the success of one was vital to the success of the other. Sadly,the departure of our young CEO has left him at the tender mercies of the old guard,the Politburo,and he probably realises that he will have to work with what they give him,rather than what he wants and asks for. That hamstrings him-but it is similar to his days as an international manager,when he could only pick players available to him by nationality. We all wish this were not the case,but we have to deal with it. And so too does AP.

His first venture into European football might be judged as a qualified success,one where CL qualification would have been ideal but EL qualification can still be classed as a pass mark. However,the two games in the group stages certainly cannot. And it would help considerably if he could hammer some discipline into his players about how to concentrate after losing a goal. Or even after scoring one.

At home,well…  

Actually,at home,we are very impressive indeed. 21 goals in five games domestically is no mean feat at any level. But three defeats out of four on our travels does not make good reading. In his defence,the defeat against Hearts was daylight robbery,the loss at Ibrox was unfortunate as it could have gone either way. The late victory against Aberdeen showed grit,showed players busting a gut for the jersey and for the manager too.

The play to the 90+ minutes was a pleasure to watch,even if the game itself rarely was. But the shocker against Livingston,when nothing went right,the players seemed unable to react to the game around them,showed some alarming failures in selection and replacements. Not that AP is well blessed with a busload of potential on his bench,admittedly.

There is little doubt that our form away from home is little short of disastrous,with Sunday being our first success on our travels for EIGHT months. We also face difficult tests soon,and should be using that Sunday win bonus as a foundation for the journey back to our best. That part is down to the players,to just how much they want it. But it is down to AP in his role as manager to drive that spirit,belief and desire into his players.

He needs to do a reverse Brian Clough,in effect. Not so much the famous-throw all your medals in the bin line,more-the ones you have won,you can be proud of. But the one to be proudest of is the next one!

Those players have a bulging trophy cabinet already,and wallets to match. But there are a lot of our new guys who aren’t near that yet. They want the medals,the caps,the big contracts. They want what they came into the game for.

And so does AP. Rooting about in the backwaters-with all due respect-of Oz and Japan is not his life plan. He will be desperate to show the world what he has,earn its respect. To do that,he has to get the players to burst with every bit as much self pride and desire as he has. To be the best that they can be,now that they are getting that chance.

And you know what? I honestly don’t think that AP will suffer anyone that he views as preventing that.

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NORRIE M/SENTINEL CELTS

Hi,folks.

We lost a much loved member of our group earlier this week. I would be suitably grateful if you read the following.

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The CQN/Sentinelcelts community, and the many friends of Garry Duncan aka Delaneys Dunky, would like to commemorate Garry’s life and friendship as well pay respect to his recent untimely passing.

We have had many great suggestions from you on how we best commerate Garry’s life, including flowers, a memorial brick, donation to Mary’s meals and financial support for the family etc.

Garry’s family, like so many others in our world today, is not a rich family and find their wealth is through the happiness of the family, so to have the burden of not only laying Garry to rest, but also the cost that goes with it is horrific .

Having spoken with Garry’s son Ryan, we feel it appropriate to pass any monies raised direct to the family to let them decide the best way to use it.

Anyone who wants to support the family in leaving a long lasting commemoration in honour of Garry can do so through making a donation via bank transfer to –

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:You can also make a donation via paypal to walkwithshay@yahoo.com

Donations will close on Friday 8th October.

Thank you in advance for supporting Garry and his family at this very difficult time.

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Huge Thanks to CRC for supporting, with the use of the Walk with Shay Legacy Fund/account, ensuring support can get there quickly

Friesdorfer

Good Morning all. A very comprehensive analysis Bobby, agree with most of it. Not sure about the “backwaters of Oz and Japan”. The SPFL is not exactly an elite level. We need to work within our set up to be the best we can be, and your leader encapsulates that very well.
HH

Jobo Baldie

Good morning, friends.
A fair article Bobby and there’s no let up when we return from the International break. Between October 16 and November 7 – 23 days – we have the following 7 tough games.
Motherwell (A)
Ferencvaros (H)
St Johnstone (H)
HIbs (A)
Livingston (H)
Ferencvaros (A)
Dundee (A)
So whatever it is that Ange works on during the International Break I hope we quickly see the fruits of that when club foorball returns.

As for the World Cup qualifiers, Scotland’s best hope realistically was always going to be 2nd in our group. Beat Israel at home on Saturday (5pm kick off, folks) and then don’t mess up over in the Faroes next Tuesday and we are pretty much guaranteed 2nd spot.

Jobo Baldie

And whilst not anywhere near the standard of SES’s regular features, here’s a wee ‘on this day’ clip from 57 years ago….. https://twitter.com/LilZe_7/status/1445886590438412293?s=20

Saltires en Sevilla

Bobby – great read and analysis on goals/conceded plus the coaching aspect.

Plus, agreed with Friesdorfer on the comparisons with Oz/Japan etc.

Maybe our equivalent leagues in former USSR states and they will only be lower standard due to pressing financial situation.

Even Mahe’ dive into the future has our club at £50m annuals – some leagues can’t match that but will be giving us a regular toe to toe game tomorrow.

Foreign investment at SPL clubs and those guys must see the nonsense every week. Are they really saying nothing?

Didn’t mean to pish in yer chips Bobby, as I do agree with your positive outlook – the right coaching will improve our prospects. Hopefully, we get our local talent inspired enough to adopt the correct lifestyle and dedication needed.

Frodshambhoy

Jobo, enjoyed that wee clip from 57 years ago.
Was that the last time Celtic got a penalty.

Saltires en Sevilla

Jobo – some tough games in the post, exciting times in the sense that we could be building a new style of play and player. The snakes and ladders fitba model – will take that against stagnation.

That Israel game probably one of the biggest games we play in the circumstances- if Stevie Clark can manage the tactical side and achieve the two wins … then we realise it’s without a proper striker.

Where is all the striking talent in this country FFS?!

Then you show us a wonderful video of an unplayable Stevie Chalmers …brilliant find!! and how it should be done. Superb quality of footage and a fair commentary- izzat Arthur ?

Still got my programme from that night … my dad’s.. can still smell the tobacco.

Saltires en Sevilla

Senga,

You did well not to rise to the baiting last nite.

How’s the oul’ napper today? 😊

Senga

Hi Saltires,

I hope you’re ok this am. The napper was in need of quite a few paracetamol this morning, had the hangover from hell😢. I didn’t rise to it simply because i couldn’t be arsed but I’m wondering how he knew me so well! Sorry made the assumption that the troll was male

Saltires en Sevilla

Senga

I’m good, even in this rain, thanks.

The point made on here about lack of club action is correct tbh – unfortunately, it just felt like an unhelpful way of making it.

Like you, my first instinct was to bite back at eejit in pub – knowing that there was absolutely zero empathy for victims – the terminology used, which I won’t repeat, revealed the true nature and intent behind the comments made.

Any energy we have must be focused on The victims, as they deserve much more help than they got. It’s never too late, and the club must act responsibly- if belatedly.

Gordon64

https://etims.net/?p=17209 All We Want For Christmas Is Our Club Back

Big Audio Dynamite

My wee boy, who has waited almost 2years for an operation, is finally goin to theatre this morning for his first op.
I know I can count on some positive thoughts from the great posters on this great site.

It’d be an understatement to say I’m a bag of nerves!

HH 💚

McCaff

Big Audio Dynamite…your wee guy will be fine, you know it! That doesn’t remove the worry, unfortunately, but rest assured I’ll be thinking of him today. The sooner he’s back in recovery the closer he is to kicking a ba’ again.
C’mon Wee Audio Dynamite…let’s get into this and get back playing again!!
Hail Hail!!

fan

Big Audio Dynamite
Best wishes to you and your son,
YNWA

Big Audio Dynamite

McCaff, that’s definitely part of the plan. He went from POTY to not playing or training… Been a long road, mate!

I appreciate the sentiment, my friend 👍

Big Audio Dynamite

Fan, that means a lot, bud.
Thankyou! HH

McCaff

How long has he been out BAD?

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Best of luck to BIGAUDIODYNAMITE,Jr!

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

FAN

Interesting read with a few surprises re key passes.

fan

BMCUWP
I was not surprised.

A thing of beauty

Big Audio Dynamite,
Your boy will be absolutely fine and hopefully back playing very shortly. That’ll be great for the wee man, just back kicking the ball with his mates. It’s invaluable.

Saltires en Sevilla

BAD

Everything here is crossed for your Wee BAD

The very best of hands will be taking good care of your wonderful Bhoy!

Auldheid

Gordon 64

I’ve just added another comment to that E Tim’s blog with a suggestion of establishing a legal fund as a means of securing accountability.

Rebus67

BAD,

My thoughts are with your boy and with your family. I have been where you are now…twice. Both were serious but worked out alright. There are some very good and caring people in the Scottish health system. They have saved my brother and two of my boys.

Positive thoughts,

Rebus

Big Audio Dynamite

Thanks guys & gals …what a great bunch.

McCaff, that’s almost 2years he has been out …he is desperate to get back

jimthetim53

B.A.D., Thoughts & prayers.

Paddy’s maw

Thoughts with wee Big Audio Dynamite as he goes through his operation.

Jobo Baldie

Big Audio Dynamite –
Best of luck for your son’s operation. I don’t know the background story but from the earlier comments I assume his injury or illness has prevented him from playing football. Hopefully today is the first step on the road back to becoming POTY again.

Rebus67

Bobby,

A pretty good review of what has happened during the Ange period so far. Not exactly the resounding success that we hoped it would be, but there are mitigating circumstances.

The key thing I would add is Ange’s style of football……we simply do not know if his system could work in Scotland, or whether it just needs time and a few recruits. Ultimately this will determine our assessment of AP. Will the fans and the club give him time? If we had dropped points versus the Dons, we would be looking at a completely different situation today. Think how close that was to happening!

The lack of recruitment of his own staff suggests he is very much on trial. However, financially, he is already a success. Kyogo has guaranteed that. He has already doubled his value to the club.

As you say, the loss of Dom is serious for both him and the future progress of the club. The interim CEO is viva the status quo, which means regression in Europe, at least.

The recent rattle from Roger Mitchel makes tge correct noise but, the fact, he has gone public means he will never get the job…..it is all tabloid filler.

Rebus

Leftclicktic

Big Audio Dynamite
Thoughts with you and your wee boy,hope all goes well and you enjoy spoiling him after his op.

BAD
All the best to your wee bhoy.

JOBO
Had to laugh at the clip when Bobby just scored the pk a couple of players in the box yaping at the ref.

big packy

BIG AUDIO DYNAMITE, all the best to you and your wee bhoy,👍

Since the discussion on etims about corruption has been mentioned on here, I feel entitled to offer a response on this platform. I have already posted on etims on this but there is an approval process that can be slow. It may or may not appear there.

Auldheid has proposed the establishment of a legal fund to facilitate action on the issue of corruption in Scottish football. He also suggests the involvement of the CST and the use of shareholders in the CST(1000) and other shareholders to get the issue onto the agenda of the Celtic AGM.

The intention is laudable but the approach, IMHO, is fundamentally flawed, just as was the approach used to champion Res 12 and its derivative. Any Celtic led initiative on corruption will fail just as Res 12 failed because it is fundamentally flawed. No matter how good the intentions and praiseworthy the efforts, it will fail because it will be seen as self serving by the other clubs.This makes it easy for authority to ignore it, even if the club takes it to the SFA/SPFL.

Good governance(Res 12) and corruption are issues of concern to ALL Scottish clubs. Turnbull Hutton and Raith Rovers demonstrated that when they flagged the attempt to shoehorn Sevco into the top league. His action galvanised the other clubs into opposing what would have been a violation of regulations as well as an unjust outcome. Few would argue that Hutton’s approach succeeded. But why did it succeed? There are two main reasons. Firstly, it was not proposed by Celtic but by another club, in fact, a small club. Secondly, it received the support of most of the other clubs. Consequently, it could not be ignored.

Corruption, like good governance, is an issue that affects ALL clubs, but particularly those who have to play Sevco on a regular basis, namely the SPL clubs. It is not purely a Celtic issue. If we try to use the club as a blunt instrument against the SFA or the Refs, it will alienate the other clubs, or, at the least, it will confirm their views that the issue is a battle between the big two for the pot of gold of the CL. Most of the other clubs already see Celtic and Sevco as favoured in some sense. Consequently, it will be easier for some clone of Stuart Regan to pass the issue off as a West of Scotland thing. Remember any change requires the support of the majority of clubs.

Additionally, how can involving shareholders of the CST plus as many shareholders outside that can be recruited make any difference in a vote at the AGM. The vast majority of shares are held by vested interests who will vote as a block against inconvenience. We should have learned that by now. The best that can be hoped for is glorious failure but the issue will remain.

The only hope here is for the other clubs to unite on this issue, as they did for Hutton. Finding another Turnbull Hutton amongst the SPL clubs would be difficult but ideally, the issue would be best served by being raised by a club other than Celtic. If that is not possible, then, it will have to come from the supporters of the other clubs. So, the starting point is liaison with supporters of other clubs. The starting point should not be a uniquely Celtic institution. A general association does exist, namely the SFSA. However, if the SFSA is not able to take this issue on, then a new organisation centred around this one issue needs to be generated, or, at the least, a working group needs to be formed around this one issue. Then a call for a legal fund to support the issue makes sense. Calling for support for a perceived Celtic led initiative is not only doomed to fail, but will make the problem worse by classifying the issue as a Sevco vs Celtic grab for cash. Going through Celtic on this issue simply will not work, sadly.

Rebus

Mike in Toronto

BAD

Best wishes for your boy’s speedy recovery

Mahe

Morning folks. I hope we all feel a little stronger on the day of Thor.

Tbh the run coming up might look a little tough, but a good team would eat those fixtures for breakfast.
For Martin’s team that wouldn’t be a hard run, maybe that is a sign of the downsizing times the board have placed us in.

The Etims article and subsequent suggestion is great to read but a decade on it’s hard to see a solution to supporter woes.
I will say this, now we all know it’s totally bent, no one should be introducing another generation into the farce so they get hooked then frustrated.
“Oi, Timmy, leave those kids alone!”

HiHo time. Play nice.
RIP Garry Duncan

Auldheid

rebus67
Since the discussion on etims about corruption has been mentioned on here, I feel entitled to offer a response on this platform. I have already posted on etims on this but there is an approval process that can be slow. It may or may not appear there.

Auldheid has proposed the establishment of a legal fund to facilitate action on the issue of corruption in Scottish football. He also suggests the involvement of the CST and the use of shareholders in the CST(1000) and other shareholders to get the issue onto the agenda of the Celtic AGM.

The intention is laudable but the approach, IMHO, is fundamentally flawed, just as was the approach used to champion Res 12 and its derivative. Any Celtic led initiative on corruption will fail just as Res 12 failed because it is fundamentally flawed. No matter how good the intentions and praiseworthy the efforts, it will fail because it will be seen as self serving by the other clubs.This makes it easy for authority to ignore it, even if the club takes it to the SFA/SPFL.

Good governance(Res 12) and corruption are issues of concern to ALL Scottish clubs. Turnbull Hutton and Raith Rovers demonstrated that when they flagged the attempt to shoehorn Sevco into the top league. His action galvanised the other clubs into opposing what would have been a violation of regulations as well as an unjust outcome. Few would argue that Hutton’s approach succeeded. But why did it succeed? There are two main reasons. Firstly, it was not proposed by Celtic but by another club, in fact, a small club. Secondly, it received the support of most of the other clubs. Consequently, it could not be ignored.

Corruption, like good governance, is an issue that affects ALL clubs, but particularly those who have to play Sevco on a regular basis, namely the SPL clubs. It is not purely a Celtic issue. If we try to use the club as a blunt instrument against the SFA or the Refs, it will alienate the other clubs, or, at the least, it will confirm their views that the issue is a battle between the big two for the pot of gold of the CL. Most of the other clubs already see Celtic and Sevco as favoured in some sense. Consequently, it will be easier for some clone of Stuart Regan to pass the issue off as a West of Scotland thing. Remember any change requires the support of the majority of clubs.

Additionally, how can involving shareholders of the CST plus as many shareholders outside that can be recruited make any difference in a vote at the AGM. The vast majority of shares are held by vested interests who will vote as a block against inconvenience. We should have learned that by now. The best that can be hoped for is glorious failure but the issue will remain.

The only hope here is for the other clubs to unite on this issue, as they did for Hutton. Finding another Turnbull Hutton amongst the SPL clubs would be difficult but ideally, the issue would be best served by being raised by a club other than Celtic. If that is not possible, then, it will have to come from the supporters of the other clubs. So, the starting point is liaison with supporters of other clubs. The starting point should not be a uniquely Celtic institution. A general association does exist, namely the SFSA. However, if the SFSA is not able to take this issue on, then a new organisation centred around this one issue needs to be generated, or, at the least, a working group needs to be formed around this one issue. Then a call for a legal fund to support the issue makes sense. Calling for support for a perceived Celtic led initiative is not only doomed to fail, but will make the problem worse by classifying the issue as a Sevco vs Celtic grab for cash. Going through Celtic on this issue simply will not work, sadly.

Rebus
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Read your post on E Tims and am copying it here .

I think you have misread my post Rebus.

I have not suggested as far as I can see an exclusively Celtic approach to taking on the SFA on corruption, mainly because as the guy who was with the SFSA at Holyrood when they launched their manifesto and having worked with them since, I agree with you that the subject of corruption is for all clubs to pick up but you weren’t to know that.

If you read back that aspect of my response was small only came up in response to a question put by another poster who had raised idea of a class action. I suggested a legal fund in response but you must have missed the words “focusing on Celtic” that followed.

As E Tims readers will see I was talking about using a legal fund to make Celtic more accountable to Celtic shareholders and supporters alike at AGMs by CST (in the absence of any other body) being able to draw on legal advice in respect to Celtic’s adherence to company law.

I am a CST member, it has its flaws but they can be addressed. For now the only way to get some form of accountability from Celtic is at an AGM and that requires shareholders of which CST can reach nearly one thousand to be the vehicle.

Res12 and its derivative has not failed, it has played a huge part in exposing how corrupt our game is and sadly, Celtic’s part in it. The new derivative resolution from shareholders provides an opportunity for Celtic and support to move on but that will be entirely down to Celtic to decide.

Friesdorfer

BAD
Best wishes for your Bhoy’s full and speedy recovery.
HH

Auldheid

Mahe
Morning folks. I hope we all feel a little stronger on the day of Thor.

Tbh the run coming up might look a little tough, but a good team would eat those fixtures for breakfast.
For Martin’s team that wouldn’t be a hard run, maybe that is a sign of the downsizing times the board have placed us in.

The Etims article and subsequent suggestion is great to read but a decade on it’s hard to see a solution to supporter woes.
I will say this, now we all know it’s totally bent, no one should be introducing another generation into the farce so they get hooked then frustrated.
“Oi, Timmy, leave those kids alone!”

HiHo time. Play nice.
RIP Garry Duncan
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Two issues got conflated and its important the main one concerning Celtic is not overlooked. As I said earlier
I agree with Rebus on the corruption being an issue for all clubs and have been active on that front for a number of years with SFSA until it became clear it was not their priority.

To clarify SC readers and to get feedback on the question posed here is what I posted in response to the guy suggesting a class action against SFA.

” I’ve reached the conclusion that since we are dealing with what verges on behaviour that breaks the law then a legal fund needs to be established to take the authorities OR CLUBS to court.

However the mechanism for even getting a ball rolling needs paid legal advice on strength of evidence and possibility of success.

FOCUSSING SOLELY ON CELTIC there is Company Law that sets out Director Responsibilities and Shareholder rights. (edit: I blogged on it on SC in June https://sentinelcelts.com/2021/06/08/directors-responsibilities-and-remedies/ )

The evidence that Celtic may have fallen foul of that law in 2019 both in response to 5WA knowledge and questionable response justifying voting against the Res12 of that AGM, was eventually put to a lawyer with Comp Law background after a trawl around the legal profession of Tim lawyers who were prepared to have a look for free. It had to be free because there was no guaranteed funding to pay.

That advice changed the latest Res to one of concern rather than censure, not because the evidence did not stand up but because it would be costly to prove in court that shareholders had been deliberately lied to with no guarantee of success. That left incompetence of a level to be concerned enough about to act.

However the thinking is would non shareholders be willing to subscribe say £5 a month to a CST managed fund that would enable an issue to go to court even if no guarantee of success?

Such a fund could be expanded beyond Celtic (edit; I should have said by others to make separation clear) to bring more than them to account and the last thing Celtic/SFA want would be their dirty linen washed in public even if it turned out not to be Comp Law breaking.

There is a saying observed behaviour changes the behaviour observed to which I’d add the very threat, if credible, of being observed changes behaviour.

So if not a shareholder but regular match goer would you be prepared to subscribe to such a fund subject to assurance of its purpose, the risk of no hard return but the creation of a capacity to keep CELTIC’s compliance with Company Law under regular scrutiny

If the threat works and there is cash left in the fund, the sum raised can be put towards whatever good cause justifies being a beneficiary with contributors approval.

To get Res12 legal costs of £11,226 paid funding was on an ad hoc basis with work commissioned with fingers crossed, but contributions arrived just in time. Res12 would have been over by 2018 if not before had such a fund guaranteeing legal advice existed.

Auldheid

BAD

Amongst all the unimportant, I missed you were having an anxious time. Hope your son’s op goes well.

Cosy Corner Bhoy

Just started reading today’s blog so a quick good luck to young BAD and hope it went well hor him and he gets back to playing, even if TPOTY.

Rebus67

Auldheid,

Thank you for the swift response. I think I can be excused for “misinterpreting” your post on etims. In you first paragraph you state…..”a legal fund needs to be established to take the authorities or clubs to court.” This is the beginning of your reply to a posting on corruption. So, one can be excused from thinking your suggestion relates to corruption. Further, how else is one supposed to interpret the use of the term “authorities” if not football authorities? So if you are proposing a legal fund to take clubs or authorities to court, who would be the clubs and which authorities? Or is the proposed legal fund solely for Celtic shareholders to take the club to court? But I still wonder about which authorities would be taken to court by this group of shareholders.

Can I assume that you back an across clubs approach to corruption that is grass roots based? Can I further assume, that because of your ref to SFSA, that that organisation is not interested in pursuing the corruption issue?

So many questions, so little time.

Rebus

Auldheid

Rebus67
Auldheid,

Thank you for the swift response. I think I can be excused for “misinterpreting” your post on etims. In you first paragraph you state…..”a legal fund needs to be established to take the authorities or clubs to court.” This is the beginning of your reply to a posting on corruption. So, one can be excused from thinking your suggestion relates to corruption. Further, how else is one supposed to interpret the use of the term “authorities” if not football authorities? So if you are proposing a legal fund to take clubs or authorities to court, who would be the clubs and which authorities? Or is the proposed legal fund solely for Celtic shareholders to take the club to court? But I still wonder about which authorities would be taken to court by this group of shareholders.

Can I assume that you back an across clubs approach to corruption that is grass roots based? Can I further assume, that because of your ref to SFSA, that that organisation is not interested in pursuing the corruption issue?

So many questions, so little time.

Rebus
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I can see how two related issues in terms of accountability became conflated.

I’m only talking about a legal fund to enable to check if Celtic are complying with Company law. It would be small shareholders as supporters making a case. Have a look at the link earlier to Director Responsibilities and Shareholder rights. Without legal advice and access to Company Law , how would small shareholders know Directors were not meeting their responsibility to be even handed?

The club is Celtic and the court would only be necessary to prove Directors had DELIBERATELY misled them. I think in those circumstances small shareholders would not be fobbed off with ” its not in the Company’s interest to pursue” without an explanation.

Craig76

BAD
All the best for your wee boy today

Craig76

Might be worth keeping an eye on these articles each week ⬇️⬇️
http://celticbynumberscom.ipage.com/assessing-impact-of-honest-mistakes/

ASWGL

Interesting article BMCUW AP needs this to work as much as we do.

BAD all the very best to BAD Junior.

No Kyogo start for The Blue Samurai, though he makes the bench, it’s on Hesgoal if you want a look.

http://www.hesgoal.com/news/88638/Saudi_Arabia_vs_Japan.html

Leggy

BAD,

Just looked in.

Hope everything goes well for you and your Bhoy 🙏🙏

HH 💚💚💚

ASWGL

Kyogo on for Japan just under 60mins gone 0-0

jimthetim53

jimthetim53

Packy, how the hell are you mate? Forget about those posters who dont think this site about chat! Feck those imperialistics snobs! Hows Joan & the dugs?