Unwanted Owners – The New Normal

So that footballing bastion of the NorthEast gets bought by a James Bond style baddie and the fans,,,
Celebrate in the streets !?!

 

MASH was their version of Dermot.
Slowlane, safety first, no care for the fans opinion, modernization off the menu, shut up and pay up for the most part knowing love of the club and matchday habit would continue the cycle.
He was despised, but yet the fans never organized enough to even begin taking him on, never mind removing him.
He set a price, and didn’t care for the character of who paid it,,,it was business not personal.
I don’t think he has ties to unsavoury activities or individuals, he was a businessman without scruples who put money not Newcastle United first, that was his biggest crime as far as I’m aware.

 

The Toon Army however have pushed any thoughts of Fit & Proper to the background, and just want the injection of cash they perceive shall bring them to the next level. From what I’ve read since the takeover completed ‘only here for the team’ is the prevailing mindset.
The richer the better, character be damned.

 

We, of course, have problems with our owners and shareholders, and many wish change, yet there’s been precious little conversation regarding just what type of people we are willing to accept at our club of choice. And what happens if ‘they’ aren’t to our liking?

 

When I look around the footballing landscape I see very few clubs that are genuinely aligned with their support, and very few fanbases totally happy with their operators. I’m sure most would wish for change making unwanted owners the new normal in the sport. Maybe it’s always been so, but in today’s modern world it’s more than easy to discover who and what you’re funding exactly.
Merely lining the pockets of a few fatcats may not look too bad, given what’s circling out there.

 

Domestically perhaps the Tangerines faithful are happy with their lot? The American owners of Aberdeen and Hibs haven’t done much, it’s too early to call Hearts fan owned model a success or failure.
Livi’s support might be happy with their overall position, but surely not the pitch or the footballing style on display.
Buddies fans are probably happy with just being in the league, who am I to judge?
Both St Johnstone and Motherwell are top flight teams, but never seem to have a plan, and are never strong enough to take advantage of a bigger club slipping up.
Across the way there are supposed true fans of that club at the helm, and it’s probably fair to say their support are happy with their owners at the minute. Yet there’s no long term plan for dominance, no significant players to bring in reinvestment cash, and debt remains the preferred method of catching us on the field of play.
Unhappiness is just around the corner.
Given we want rid of Dermot, it’s easy to claim unwanted owners are the majority in the Scottish top flight.
I would make the same claim of the English top flight.
Real and Barca fans can’t be very happy with their incumbents, Pep can’t win the Champions League without Messi for love nor money so he’s been a failure at City and Bayern now, while #OleOut trends on Twitter every Saturday around 4.45pm.
Don’t even mention the words unwanted owners to Arsenal fans.
The question is no longer are you happy with your club’s owners, it’s how unhappy are you, with only a little being top prize.

 

As for Glasgow Celtic FC there has no doubt been an erosion of what were once considered core club values under this particular board and ownership model.
This was successful primarily for three reasons,
The fanbase is without a strong organization,
It was done discreetly in the main,
The team was winning.

 

Most seem content to file events of the last decade under ‘Exceptional Circumstances’ which is somewhat understandable given there was an unprecedented death and break in our regular business arrangement. The tug of the team and day/night out with mates trumped our boards terrible mishandling of the affair.
During that mishandling many core values were slowly tossed out the window, values such as truth and standing up for what’s right ala Turnbull Hutton, but being bundled up in the entire liquidation affair the fans granted extra leeway.
Exceptional circumstances and all that.
Resuscitating Rangers and the questionable practices that act entailed was deemed a necessary evil, so noses were held and the deed was accepted by almost all.

 

New owners though, are not exceptional circumstances through which one can hold one’s nose just the once. They aren’t a necessary evil. For a club and support with our history, a certain type of owner is called for.
Certainly no one with blood on their hands!
Racists and xenophobes need not apply!
No to planet polluting corporations!
No Anti-gay Israeli Tory Arms Manufacturers!
Etc etc.

 

Yep, a certain type of owner is called for by us, but yet we aren’t listened to, we are lectured to.
We aren’t asked, we are given.
The average Tims moral requirements for those controlling his club will almost certainly not be taken into consideration, something sure to sting.
Already asked to put with a lot, already experiencing grumblings of unhappiness, the support shouldn’t be provoked, but many would see unsavoury characters in the boardroom as a step too far.
More than any liquidation, more than any Resolution, more than the season(s) of honest mistakes,,,
Allowing the wrong people up the marble staircase might just force us all to unite and fight for the club.

By Mahe

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Holysmokes

This is a re-post of a comment I made before but the comments went in to a conversation about the best tv programmes (interesting but irrelevant). I’ll try again though as it seems to be the point Mahe is making…
The writing is on the wall unless the fans are vigilante – which they have been – but it needs to be coupled with action! Since the League title is the only important competition this season, as it will lead to automatic CL riches and deny those riches to any other club (which is arguably even more important) it is a real opportunity to boycott the other competitions: Scottish Cup, League Cup and even the Europa League. We need to hold the board to account. Even if you feel they are not currently doing anything wrong, their sins of the recent past are too numerous to list on this post. They will continue to take us for suckers, bleed us dry and happily lead us on a course either, alongside, or in the wake, of our neighbours.
We need to realise that we do fund the club and keep it afloat and therefore we can take control of it if there is unity within the support. Supporters organisations should act like unions. Their representatives should negotiate with the board and threaten ‘strike action’ if necessary. Not on everything as it wouldn’t be good for the know-nothings like me to be telling the businessmen how to run the business but on the big things like: the 5 Way Agreement, LNS enquiry, Resolution 12, Not Sacking Lennon etc. That way the board would find it far more difficult to use us to line their own pockets and we would have the club we really want. We may also be able to get rid of the club we think has been poisoning Scottish Football/Society for years.
‘Unity within the support’ would be very difficult, especially in a support this size and giving so much power to ‘fan representatives’ is dangerous too but with democratic processes and tight oversight it could work.
‘You may say-ay I’m a dreamer…’

McCaff
St tams

Very interesting article McCaff

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McCaff
Not sure cohesion is something the board at Celtic want?
Their modus operandi seems to be based on silence and mass confusion/distraction.
Cohesion within our club would leave their Ibrox partners floundering and on the brink so it would not be countenanced.

Maestro Fan

Apathy reigns… and as you say, fans are in the main gladly complicit while their team is winning.

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Mahe

Most folk would agree that the values you highlight above remain strong with the majority of our support and more than at most other clubs. Having said that experience of general attitudes in our support would indicate that there is almost a tacit alignment to those values.

Tactical rather than Strategic.

If our support is ever put to the test – I.E. some ‘other’ dodgy billionaire rocked up with a takeover plan promising huge investment in players – that was acceptable to our currant( sic) owners…I.E. DD moved aside with a payday.

We might experience an unpleasant surprise at reaction in the general support.

St tams

I think the fans missed a trick when Rodgers left.
We should have turned against the board then, especially as we were still winning.
But the board ( or should I say Lawwell) used the press to make him out as the baddie.
When they actually drove him out.

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Holysmokes 7.44

Good post buddy.

Unfortunately, it Seems more effort is applied to dividing the support – an old device, but it’s effective.

The Affilliation and Association seem like a ‘ticket pool’ and were probably never anything else. The newer and more active groups like CST hardly inspire much confidence. ( all of this with max 10,000 members … wild guess?)

Probably leaves about 40,000 season ticket holders not aligned to any group – and it seems they ain’t going to get agitated anytime soon. Although most would probably see CL money NOT going to Ibrox as a powerful unifying case.

Moreso than agitating for the money coming to Celts.. as surely not even the most überTim can still believe this Board would invest those monies in the team/coaching/development.

Brendan Rodgers was not driven out of Celtic. He showed interest in joining a Chinese club and informed DD of his intentions. His contract was renewed with a 4yr deal, instead of the rolling 1yr, and a massive increase on his salary, but by showing his hand DD and the board began to distrust his intentions, and the total control he had enjoyed over all the footballing decisions were slowly removed. The very first interest shown to him by an EPL club he was off like a shot. He worked his ticket at Celtic, of that there is no doubt. Our board made a complete mess of his replacement and we are still trying to come to terms with that! por cierto

bada bing1

11/2 might’ve been an in play price……

Jobo Baldie

Bada Bing – if this is still a discussion on the odds for Scotland beating Israel 3-2, before the game it was 25/1. My son came round for the game, beers in fridge, carry out food to be ordered, etc but just before game I said to him “we’ve built this up too much, you do realise it’s going to be a boring 1-0 for either team” He replied, “ha, wait and you’ll see it’ll probably be a classic 3-2 – check the odds…”
Neither of us bet 3-2 as we had both expected the odds to be even more generous than 25/1. Odds of 11/2 definitely sound like ‘in play’ – possibly half time whilst Scotland were trailing 1-2?
For tomorrow nights game Scotland to win 3-2 is 33/1. But that’s probably because it’s unlikely (surely!) that the Faroes will score twice…

Squire Danaher

St tams 11:02

I think the fans missed a trick when Rodgers left.
We should have turned against the board then, especially as we were still winning.
But the board ( or should I say Lawwell) used the press to make him out as the baddie.
When they actually drove him out.

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You can fool some of the people some of the time…..

#NotAnotherPenny

CaltonTongues

Call Me Gerry.

From last night, copy of Betting Slip below:

https://postimg.cc/GByjVjCh

Like you I think the odds are way too low.

HH

CaltonTongues

bada bing 1,

Ah, that could be it, need to check with him.

I’m not a gambler so it’s all news to me 😁

HH

CaltonTongues

Just read the betting slip again and it’s timed at 18:56.

As the game kicked off at 17:00 it must have been put on in the last couple of minutes of the game.

HH

Auldheid

If we dont start organizing a united support base that brings small shareholders and ST holders with no shares together starting NOW we will be individual sitting ducks in the water if an unfriendly takeover bid comes in.

That requires setting aside all the reasons and excuses for not uniting.

It can be done and can start in lead up to AGM.

bada bing1

CT- might be odds you would get at 1-2 or 2-2 in play

Mahe

Holysmokes,
Excellent comment!
It gives me ideas but you’re right, unity within the support would be difficult.
We are a very broad church.
The native matchgoer may well want another respectable native matchgoer to lead the charge. Those at ground zero are easy to find so need to be fully safe and secure before possibly jumping into the public arena and/or becoming high profile.
Anyone that gets in the way best be prepared for underhanded tactics and rumours coming their way.
Unity is strength, but unity is very very hard to achieve.

I might blog about this.
Thanks for visiting. Hopefully you stick around.
Hail Hail

Billy Bhoy

Holysmokes

A good post with some interesting points.

However, I’d be very unhappy with Celtic giving Sevco a free run on the two cups. They’ve only won one of the last 27 domestic trophies – and that’s one too many for me!

No, lets keep them and trophies as strangers that pass in the night. I’m hoping Hibs do them in the LCSF.

CFC

Holysmokes

How does one politicise a disparate body speaking with many voices on an ad hoc basis?
Who controls the democratic process.?

The only question that is relevant and aimed at any Celtic Board is how do we get rid of you?

Gordon64

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McCaff
Morning all…in a rush this morning but thought this might be interesting…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikemeehallwood/2021/10/10/understanding-ange-postecoglou-and-the-cohesion-that-could-make-celtic-click/?sh=60cd1e587f24

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Just had a chance to read item – some interesting comparisons with Oz and different codes.

Tend to follow Fan ‘ view that Board don’t want cohesion anytime soon, and they tend to revel in turbulence

Hope Ange can stick it out, but fear that he will be placed in just one awkward situation too many, by folk that don’t particularly care if he can build a great team .

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Mahe,
Appreciate the article and your points about the support binding together against the board but as I have said before no board at Celtic has ever pleased all of the punters or put the team first. Even Fergus. Numerous times Tommy Burns didn’t get the player he wanted. The only time the fans have truly came together was when Fergus came in but you still had your Gerry McSherry’s claiming all was well and Cambuslang was a brave new dawn. I think if we lose this league and the next you may get another Celts for Change but not yet. A lot of people I talk to still think PL did a great job and he won us nine in a row. When I tell them that with the advantage we had it should have been nineteen in a row they say fans like me are entitled and don’t know how lucky we are.
We’re a long way from manning the barricades yet.
McCaff,
Very enlightening article and shows the importance of a well run club. We are a million miles from that.

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MAHE

What you have described is the main problem we have while wishing that DD relinquish his hold on the club. We are fed up with a disinterested absentee major shareholder,and appalled at what has happened over the last fifteen years or so,due to the actions or otherwise of those that he has happily left “in charge”

And then there is the problem of the alternatives,as you so vividly outline.

Ideally,we would have an absentee landlord,and a board which is committed to ensuring that the best team possible is available to the manager. A board which is committed to ensuring an overhaul of governance in our national game.

Unfortunately,our ground is known as Paradise. Not Utopia.

Pitymevin

McCaff, that was a fantastic article and a great view on sports in general.

If you are just here for bragging rights then you shouldn’t be here.

You have to love the aussie mind set and how black and white the job really is.

We will be in the shite for a long time with this bunch of chancer’s, being very polite there.

McCaff

Evening all and Jim, Big Jim Packy and Billy Bhoy if yeese ur aboot!
Thanks for the comments on the article I posted earlier and Holysmokes a great comment to kickstart the day.
On reading the Forbes article I had a few conflicting thoughts – my over-riding one was that I’d have preferred the article to be written by a true neutral! Mike Meehall Wood’s qualifier that he was a fan tainted my reading of it as it then read like a supporter’s gripes at the way his club was being (mis) managed. Also, I wondered about McKay’s departure – we all immediately pointed to Lawell as the likely assassin but perhaps the article highlights the Board as true incompetents, directionless, leaderless, unambitious who NEED to be directed by DD or wee DD. Did McKay feel he was banging his head against the wall, was there not a budget set for McKay and Postecoglu to work to on their appointments. Surely, I mean really, did McKay take on the job purely as a ‘Look at me, I’m at Celtic!’ or did he try to assert himself too quickly after Lawell left and the Old Guard didnae like the whippersnapper! I think it was Rebus (apologies if it wasn’t) a couple of weeks ago who suggested the Board were incompetents rather than deliberately ensuring The Old Firm survival and I tend to agree with that school of thought. No matter what though…this Board are DD’s puppets and will do whatever bidding he requires. Even at the expense of our reputation and proud history.

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MCCAFF

Ah,the cock-up or conspiracy question.

Our board are so incompetent that any conspiracy would have resulted in the opposite of their intention.

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