Knocking On Heaven’s Door.

Morning,all.

As the latest international window draws to a close,allowing the fans to get back to what they love most-supporting their club-it is an appropriate time to reflect on the events of the last week or so.

Why do so many of us loathe these windows so much? Well,for me the answer is obvious. Our interest is mainly if not exclusively in club football. We are putting our top players at risk with no real benefit to ourselves. Some of our players represent countries on the other side of the planet,and the travelling certainly takes its toll. We know that from experience,particularly in the case of Tom Rogic who seems to take longer to recover from a trip Down Under than most visitors actually spend in the country!

Alternatively,there is the out-of-sync internationals involving players from Asia-Kyogo will miss the first two games back after New Year plus a couple in late March,and TR is likely to have the same problem. The African Cup of Nations is on at around the same time,depriving many clubs of top players for around a month,and there are games for players from the international federations in North and South America.

So why do the players bother,since it massively inconveniences the people who pay their wages-that’s the clubs and ultimately the fans who adore them? The simple answer is that every player seems to grow up with two ambitions-the first is to play for their favourite team,and the second is to represent their country.

Now,many of us have little interest in watching our country play,even on TV,but there is little doubt about the importance attached by the players to turning out for their country. We’ve seen Ryan Christie in tears when it seemed he just shrugged his shoulders at the thought of playing for our club,we’ve seen congas.

Prior to the 1994 World Cup,we saw Eric Cantona nearly lynching David Ginola for a shocking piece of game management in injury time against Bulgaria,an incident which led to Bulgaria breaking up the pitch to score the winner.

Personally I would no more upset Cantona than I would Bertie Auld or David Hay. Or heaven forbid,Big Bobo. But Cantona’s explosion was all about the effect that the error had on his national team,and on the effect that it had on his own chances of representing his country,France,at a world cup.

Cantona was by this time a highly decorated if controversial footballer,with four league winners medals plus various other medals and accolades. His reputation was already cemented,as an outstanding talent and as a legend at probably the biggest club in the world at the time.

What he did not have was that appearance at a World Cup Finals,and short of a Champions League medal,that is the ultimate for a football player.

And so it was that I reluctantly tuned in to watch Scotland play on the Saturday and Tuesday evenings. I wasn’t buying into international football,it has mainly left me cold since those to copybook copycat goals from Dalglish against Belgium and Spain in 1983,I think. My frustration at Mabaw McAllister during the Euros in 1996-ATHINGOFBEAUTY will happily confirm how many effs there are in the word frustration once I get started!-just finished me off.

Yet there I was on Saturday and Tuesday,absolutely delighted at both results! Go figure. It means that there is still a chance that my niece will be able to watch one of her countries-she’s half Australian!-in a World Cup for the first time,it means that I can maybe book a fortnight off next December and wallow in football three times a day with,for once,more than just a fleeting interest.

It means that those players are nearer to their ultimate dream-that of representing their country in the biggest sporting occasion on the planet. Scotland aren’t there yet,not by a long way. But an away victory against Moldova puts them into the play-offs-which is a damn sight closer than most of those players have been to that pinnacle.

So,international football? You can still keep it as far as I’m concerned,mainly for the reasons I mentioned at the top of the article. But for the players,it is what they strive for. And maybe on those two evenings recently,I finally got that.

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Above article by BMCUWP

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SENTINELCELTS

On the 15th of October we will say goodbye to a beloved dad, grandad and friend. He will be sorely missed by all that knew him and would like everyone whose lives he touched to feel welcome to come and say goodbye to the crazy Celtic fan and music lover. The funeral arrangements for Garry Duncan are as follows:

10am @ St.Stephen’s Catholic Church, 12 Park Road, Clydebank.

11.30am @ Dalnottar Crematorium, Mountblow Road, Clydebank.

12am @ Albion social club.

All are welcome.

We would ask everyone to wear a little something green in tribute to Garry and the club he so adored.

Please feel free to share.

Thank you.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

Everyone remembers Claudio Ranieri because of his unbelievable title win at Leicester-swiftly followed by the sack,of course. I remember him more for his unbridled enthusiasm at Chelsea,his mangled attempts at English-my friends down here will tell you that mine are a lot worse!-and the stunning team he put on the pitch in his only season with Abramovich,before being ruthlessly cast aside.

It seems that he still believes in the romance and the thrill of The Beautiful Game…

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/13/i-am-strong-i-am-still-young-claudio-ranieri-ready-for-watford-challenge

jimthetim53

hello

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Miss you Garry. In the middle of the night sharing some music.

jimthetim53

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dont know whats happening to my songs, sorry.

jimthetim53

From a distance the world looks blue and green
And the snow-capped mountains white
From a distance the ocean meets the stream
And the eagle takes to flight

From a distance there is harmony
And it echoes through the land
It’s the voice of hope, it’s the voice of peace
It’s the voice of every man

From a distance we all have enough
And no one is in need
There are no guns, no bombs, no diseases
No hungry mouths to feed

From a distance we are instruments
Marching in a common band
Playing songs of home, playing songs of peace
They’re the songs of every man
God is watching us, God is watching us
God is watching us from a distance

From a distance you look like my friend
Even though we are at war
From a distance I can’t comprehend
What all this war is for

From a distance there is harmony
And it echoes through the land
It’s the hope of hopes, it’s the love of loves
It’s the heart of every man

It’s the hope of hopes, It’s the love of loves
It’s the song of every man

jimthetim53

Just listening to ‘The Mission’ by Oriconne. Can’t post it sorry. But I know Garry loved it. God rest your soul Garry. I’m sure you are happy up in Heaven just now.

big packy

MORNING ALL and JIM jim yes just been listening to the mission, didnt know garry loved it as well, he will be up there now listening to it, what better place,, rest in peace garry

NorrieM

BMCuWP
VFR number passed on to
Please pass to Friesdorfer

Similar,we only register onentry to church
Ryan has asked VFR to forward a list of attendees for the service,no idea if due to numbers it’s needed to prevent a hold up at church and queuing ???

Jobo Baldie

Good morning, friends.
Bobby, I think your article highlights that whenever qualification for a major tournament becomes a possibility then international football somehow manages to bring more of the country together in a way that club football (in Scotland) never can. Were Celtic ever to find ourselves in the latter stages of a European tournament the excitement and interest among the our own fans would obviously approach fever pitch. But equally, the mainstream media would be highly unlikely to go overboard in their support. But when Scotland “do well” (by their own poor standards) then there’s definitely a different buzz about the place.
I know that not everyone on here (or the other place) gets caught up in it and many wouldn’t open their curtains if Scotland were playing in their back garden. Each to their own. My own choice with international football is pretty simple – I watch and support the country of my birth as that’s where God stuck the pin on the globe for my arrival!
Incidentally, although my interest in sport in general is pretty limited to football, golf and athletics, nevertheless I do tend to be pretty supportive and excited whenever Scots are involved in any other high profile evens such as tennis, swimming, snooker, etc. Not that it happens very often!
Oh and apart from a wee bit of banter I don’t let individual sports stars football allegiances completely put me off. So while it helps that John Higgins supports the hoops I was still delighted when Graeme Dott won the World Championship. But if they were playing against each other you can guess who I’d be hoping would win.
Sorry for the early morning rant!

A thing of beauty

Rebus,
From last night. The fact that Rogic is capable of moments of brilliance is the only reason he is at celtic. We know he is not capable of the athleticism required in today’s game but he plays passes and scores goals on occasion that others can only dream about.
I struggle to see that game changing moment in turnbull. He has a four year deal and if he has issues with fitness then how can we get the best out him. He’s not a paddy McCourt who could come on and maybe do something brilliant. Also we can’t be paying him for four years as a bit part player. When he plays against the ibrox mob or in Europe he is a non contributor. That can’t happen for another three years. Like you say, ange needs to find out what his limits are and take him there. If his physical limits mean he cannot impact a game against top opponents we need to know that and move on. The fact that a sports science department would know all this is just another example of clusterfck fc

St tams

I’m in the no interest in international football camp.
With regards to the actual players themselves.
I might be wrong , but I believe the reason that they are so keen to represent their country is the usual. Money.
These guys have all these clauses written in their contracts and playing for their country is one of them that triggers bonuses.

Roll on Saturday at Fir Park, unfortunately I won’t be there. Will watch on telly

Friesdorfer

Norrie M/BMCUWP
Got VFR’s contact info and passed on my details. Many thanks again both.
HH

fan

For Garry.

bada bing1

https://twitter.com/LilZe_7/status/1448423310514130945?t=JBF
jQ-TeA93VlNyG1gfsLQ&s=19

60 years ago today, The Celtic Song by Glen Daly first played at CP

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Try again.

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FAN-A-TIC

That’s a marvellous headline. Congratulations to the Sub-editor!

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Wee treat for PUFFPUFF when his part of the world awakes to a new day.

Blondie’s best,and rated. Dunno about the rest of you,but I’ll be YouTubing for a while!

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/oct/14/blondie-20-greatest-songs-ranked

bada bing1

Ive already got the fear of our back 4 passing the ball about in our own box,under pressure from a high pressing Motherwell team…

Mahe

Morning troops on this brisk day of Thor.
Today, or tonight actually, is a big day in this state as for only the second time it’s two biggest baseball teams have a sudden death playoff game.
Giants vs Dodgers at 6pm folks,don’t miss it.
Go Dodgers.
Btw the idiot in charge of this state, America’s most populated and the globes sixth biggest economy, had decided in his infinite wisdom to ban petrol powered leaf blowers and lawn mowers. Yep, they were the problem apparently and that will fix the planet.
The actual problem is pushing people onto electricity when we don’t have a good power grid at all, it’s likely to shit off numerous times a year. There’s also the destructive mining involved in finding more lithium for all these batteries were gonna need.
This state has issues, I shall leave it there.

Feckin hate International breaks.
It would be nice to have Bonnie Scotland in a tournament but the SFA would see that as an endorsement unfortunately, that would see their claws sink deeper into the game instead of relinquishing control to modern thinkers.
On one hand if the national team has a strong Rangers spine, it could help that league campaign.
A winter world cup might be nice, maybe.

Of anyone is going to the post mass gathering tomorrow, could you grab a couple of photos to share please?
Still can’t believe it.

Hail Hail

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MAHE

Not sure if anyone is likely to be taking photos of that. But it is apparently being live streamed for people who cannot be there.

Mahe

Bobby I think the mass is being live streamed not the gathering. If there’s no photos fair enough.

If anyone has lost the thrill of watching Scotland, they should have been there on Sat like me. Literally lost my voice.
I admit to not being as mad into Scotland in the late 80s/early 90s due to the section of fans being on Dalglish’s/McClair’s back etc but i got right back into it in the mid 90s as i was in England and the whole thing feels more important when away. I was at euro 96 and france 98 and it was great. I have to confess to having not been at a game since 2009 due to SFA fecking up my supporter club renewal and me getting a Celtic season ticket in 2010 (can’t afford to travel for both).

I was even in a sevco pub on Satuday, the Oswald. Coneybhoy in deep cover.

VFR

Good afternoon people. I am collating all the names and addresses off those attending Garry Duncan’s funeral tomorrow for the family, so if you are going, can you please send me you name, address and postcode either -mail to fsheeran@sky.com or contact bmcuwp@gmail.com for my telephone number.

I am also co-ordinating transport of those who need a lift; so if you do, let me know where you are coming from – I won’t automatically assume it’s from your home address.

KTF

VFR

For those who cannot make Garry’s funeral tomorrow, it will be streamed live from just before 10:00 UK time on this link:
https://www.westreamitservices.co.uk/duncang

KTF

VFR

For those going to the funeral tomorrow, please contact BMCUWP form my contact details as I am collating the list of those attending for the family. I need full name, address and postcode.

KTF

Rebus67

ATOP,

I do not like players like Rogic. I am open about that and it may affect my opinion of him. If you look at his stats in the league his best years were 14/15 and 15/16 ……that is some time ago. Even then he did not get double figures in goals nor assists. The most he has ever achieved is 8 goals and 7 assists in his first season 14/15. Hardly a major contributor to the team.

In my view the reason he is at Celtic currently is not for his few moments of brilliance but because he turned down a move to Qatar at the end of 2020. The club wanted him out.

So far Rogic has 1 goal in 8 starts whereas Turnbull has 3 in 8 starts. Agewise, there is a difference. Turnbull could develop but what you see with TR is what you will keep.

At the end of the day, it is about what you like to see in a player. Entertainment or effectiveness. Preferably both but the days of Lubo and Henrik are over.

Rebus

Jobo Baldie

For information so please don’t shoot the messenger…
https://twitter.com/CelticFC/status/1448707262965506053?s=20

bada bing1

Red Bull Celtic…..

big packy

just noticed garrys requiem mass is being streamed live tomorrow at 10,am ,unfortunately im out with the dogs from 9 till 1 while wee joan does her dog grooming,.. is there any way i can record it and watch it later, as jim will tell you im not computer savvy,H.H.

Mike in Toronto

Obviously I wont be able to attend tomorrow, so, if possible (and if the chance arises) could I prevail upon someone who is going to say hello to Ryan and pass along my condolences, and tell him that I am sorry that I could not be there.

But, again .. only if the chance arises

Mike in Toronto

on RB

2005 Red Bull buys Salzburg and it becomes RB Salzburg

2009 Red Bull buys German 5th tier team, Markranstadt with the aim of changing it to RB Leipzig, and becoming a leading German team within a decade (which they did).

Now, Salzburg is the de facto feeder club for the German team…

Does RB follow the same model, and turn Celtic into the feeder club for an English team? Would make sense….

if run properly (which it hasn’t been for years) Celtic could make some real money, while at the same time, be the junior team for a top English club…

only wrinkle would be the 2 clubs in the CL… but that hasn’t been an insurmountable problem for RB so far …

A thing of beauty

Rebus,
Fair comment and the stats for Rogic don’t make for good reading. I’ll admit I’m a sucker for a flair player but you’re right, the modern game has no space for them.
Let’s hope we are not having the same conversation about Turnbull in 5 years time.
Bada,
I don’t believe there is anything in that rumour about red bull but I would seriously consider it if I thought we’d get a well run football club instead of the shambles we have just now.

Mahe

Howdy,
Filthy and tired, another average workday but it’s nice to labour outside for a change.

Just read the news all supporters must be vaccinated on Thursday.
It’s based on new Gov rules.
Now if that’s true, then every league game for any club with a certain amount of supporters must adhere to it also.
Why only this European tie?
Surely it’s not a one-off?

It better be even handed, clearly so and without question.

Hail Hail

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JOBO,BADA,CRAIG76 et al

Re sponsorship,I personally don’t worry too much about who is on our shirts. I’ve never used Dafabet,the sponsorship by Magners didn’t affect my drinking habits,etc.

I certainly didn’t go out and buy some double glazing back in the late 80s either!

One thing is for sure though-I bloody hate the very smell of Red Bull. There’s something about it which has me reaching for the sick bag,and I have never figured out why it is. All I know is that anytime anyone opens a can of it in my presence,I’m outa there.

Having their name on our shirt? Won’t bother me much.

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MAHE

It isn’t a one-off,it’s a regulation across the board introduced by ScotsGov. Apparently it was officially in place two weeks ago,which would have meant that it applied to the huns game v Hibs,but they successfully argued that there was insufficient time to introduce it successfully.

(Read-our fans will riot!)

So it seems that our fans will be the guinea pigs,and the huns can look forward to the same in future too. Whether similar levels of “sanction” apply is anyone’s guess,but I think we all know how that will turn out.

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BIGPACKY

I don’t know if the live stream from tomorrow is recordable for the average punter like us,but I am sure it will be there somewhere for posterity. I will try to find out,and send you a link to if it there is one.

NorrieM

Worth a repost
Will not have time inthe morning

VFR
For those who cannot make Garry’s funeral tomorrow, it will be streamed live from just before 10:00 UK time on this link:
https://www.westreamitservices.co.uk/duncang

KTF