If you know your history – October 27th

130 years ago … 1891 and we continue to follow our heroes in their quest for a First Scottish Cup and League Flag. Having defeated league leaders Hearts at Paradise last weekend to stay in 2nd place ( with Dumbarton), the team lined up again at Celtic Park, against bottom side Vale of Leven.

Wilson the Vale’s international ‘keeper, played well for much of the game but was powerless to prevent a complete landslide, as Celtic’s imperious centre forward Madden, helped himself to four (4) goals in a six goal rout. Once again there is reference to Celtic’s passing game with it’s “machine like accuracy”

The Celts welcomed the return of Duff between the sticks but Gallacher is still absent from the half-back line, with Willie Maley an able replacement beside Captain Kelly and Peter Dowds.

The Right wing seems to have had most of the play with Brady opening the scoring in 20 minutes and Madden opening his account in 25 minutes. Immediately after the restart the right wing combined again to set up McMahon, then Madden ran riot with another three (3) goals in quick succession. Vale counted a consolation goal from their Centre Forward Cowan.

Both Hearts (18) and Dumbarton (16) won and the league standings remain unchanged. However, Celts (16) have games ‘ in hand ‘ over Hearts (3) and Dumbarton (1)

Hopes are high amongst the Celtic support.

Teams

Celtic:- Duff, Reynolds, Doyle, Maley, Kelly, Dowds, McCallum, Brady, Madden, McMahon, Campbell
Goals:- Brady 20, Madden 25, McMahon 46, Madden, Madden, Madden.

Vale of Leven:-
Jas Wilson, Busby, McCormick, Tait, McNicol, McAdam, Murphy, Logan, Cowan, McFarlane, Park.
Goal:- Cowan.

Att:- not available
Ref:- Mr Allison.

In other news …

It’s worthwhile mentioning that Vale of Leven had won the Scottish Cup three times in the 1870’s and had lost four finals in the 1880’s, the last as recently as 1890 against Queen’s Park. It seems their fortunes were now in fairly rapid decline and they would never compete in another Scottish Cup Final.

http://www.valeofleven.org.uk/football05.html

90 years ago …1931… in a League match at Celtic Park on 24th October , Hoops’ defeated Ayr United 4-2 in a League match.

This game was significant as Peter Scarff (23) was taken off the field suffering with breathing difficulties. Later, the condition proved to be Tuberculosis and his playing days were numbered. He battled on fighting the disease and managed a few more games in the Hoops, but by 19th December, he would have played his last game. He struggled bravely to fight the disease, sadly, by December 1933 he would be dead.

The player many considered to be the natural successor to the great Jimmy McMenemy contributed much to Celtic, but would never realise his full potential.

We will return to this sad tale in due course ….

Teams

CELTIC:
Coen, Cook, McGonagle, Wilson, McStay, Scarff, R. Thomson, A. Thomson, McGrory, Napier, McGhee.
Scorers:
McGhee, (2); McGrory, Napier.

AYR UNITED:
Hepburn, Robertson, Fleming, Taylor, McLeod, McCall, McLean, Armory, Merrie, Tolland, Brae.
Scorers:
Merrie*, Armory.

Referee:
Attendance: 9,000
*Celtic F.C. give scorer in 12 minutes as Brae, William

In other news ….

The 1931 United Kingdom general election was held on Tuesday 27 October 1931 and saw a landslide election victory for the National Government which had been formed two months previously after the collapse of the second Labour government. Collectively, the parties forming the National Government won 67% of the votes and 554 seats out of 615. The bulk of the National Government’s support came from the Conservative Party, and the Conservatives won 470 seats. The Labour Party suffered its greatest defeat, losing four out of every five seats compared with the previous election.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1931_UK_general_election_map.svg

40 years ago …..1981

1981-10-24: Hibernian 1-0 Celtic, Premier League

Celtic’s first game since John Doyle’s tragic death five days previously.
A minutes silence is abused by a small number of Hibs fans.
Trouble breaks out in the big enclosure afterwards.
Nicholas misses a penalty.

Teams

Hibs:
McArthur Sneddon Turnbull McNamara Paterson Duncan Callachan Rae Murray Flavell MacLeod
Subs: Rodier Brazil
Scorer: MacLeod pen 45

Celtic:
Bonner Moyes Reid Aitken Garner MacLeod Nicholas Sullivan McGarvey Burns McCluskey
Subs: Conroy W McStay

Attendance: 18,000
Referee: DM Galloway

dav

Big Packy goes the wrong way – surely must be at least one Sentinel in that crowd?

Johnny Doyle : The Man Who Loved The Green

I’ve travelled ’round these islands, from shore to shining shore,
I’ve met so many heroes, from the team that I adore,
I’ve followed Glasgow Celtic, from London to Aberdeen,
But I always remember, the man who loved the green.

And Johnny Doyle told me, just before he died,
I live for Glasgow Celtic, I’m just a Celtic bhoy.

He came from Ayr United, to join his favourite team,
To play for Glasgow Celtic, would fulfil his dream,
Around about St Patrick’s Day, signed by Big Jock Stein,
He played only for the jersey, the man who loved the green.

And Johnny Doyle told me, just before he died,
I live for Glasgow Celtic, I’m just a Celtic bhoy.

In Europe 1980, he made a gallant bid,
He capped a great performance, against Real Madrid,
He rose with two defenders, to win the ball so clean,
With Sabido and Camacho, was the man who loved the green.

And Johnny Doyle told me, just before he died,
I live for Glasgow Celtic, I’m just a Celtic bhoy.

So in your prayers remember, a gallant Celtic son,
His young life cut so cruelly, in 1981,
The 19th of October, is the day when I’ll be seen,
Browsing through my photos, of the man who loved the green.

And Johnny Doyle told me, just before he died,
I live for Glasgow Celtic, I’m just a Celtic bhoy.

Johnny Doyle
(1952 – 1981)

RIP

General stuff:

27 Oct, 1904 New York Subway

The New York subway opens travelling between Lower Manhattan and Harlem stopping at 28 stations in between and cost a nickel to ride.

27 Oct, 1921 U.S.A. Metric System

: A senate committee is advising that the United States changes to the metric system of weights and measures as it is now used by 37 countries against the Imperial weights and measure system used in just 12 countries . Currently the only major international country to have not adopted the metric system is the United States who still use Gallons, pints, pounds, ounces, etc.

27 Oct, 1936 England Mrs Wallis Simpson

1936 : Mrs. Wallis Simpson American born Friend of King Edward of England won a divo in a brief hearing at Ipswich assizes. The petition for divorce was based on evidence that her ships brokers husband a subject of the king was guilty of misconduct at the Hotel De Paris at Bray near Maidenhead in Berkshire.

27 Oct, 1954 U.S.A. Marilyn Monroe

Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio divorce after DiMaggio allegedly struck Monroe following the filming of her famous “skirt scene” in The Seven-Year Itch.

1960 : Civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. was released from the Georgia State Prison following a direct intervention from Robert F. Kennedy who had question his constitutional right to bail, while pending appeal of a traffic conviction.

U.K. No #1 It’s My Party – Dave Stewart & Barbara Gaskin ( 2wks)

( where to start with this – is she even trying ? )

Note: The excellent Celtic Wiki site is the font of all knowledge on things Celtic. Most of the Celtic stuff above is from that site. The guys who set it up and painstakingly keep it updated, deserve no end of credit, praise and thanks. A treasure trove for Celtic fans young and old – and new- and free to view.

Respect Bhoys!

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/m/

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SES,
Another education. I am old enough to remember that song but had no idea till now that it was Dave Stewart. I also remember Johnny Doyle’s death and it being on the news but I have no recollection of him playing. From listening to others and reading books it’s clear he lived the dream. Gone far too soon though.

Saltires en Sevilla

ATOB thanks

Aye Johnny Doyle had many memorable moments v Real Madrid and against St Mirren..(amongst others). His sending off for 10 men won the league game… inspiring the most passionate rendition of Erin’s Green Valleys I’ve ever heard …. the 12th man came down from the terraces to replace Johnny that nite.

It was as instinctive as it was vital… the rest is legendary stuff.

Note: the press extract has been duplicated in place of Big Packy diving the wrong way -maybe on of the guys can edit later today.

Meantime, let’s hear from any fresh-faced Sentinels in the crowd…

https://wikifoundryimages.s3.amazonaws.com/1878b0f9b95bcd7b16718f68c4e3aa0e

Jobo Baldie

Good morning friends and Happy Matchday. A big, big test tonight at a ground where Celtic’s record has not been good in recent years.
ATOB – re the song, it’s a different Dave Stewart to the fore famous member of The Eurythmics 😉

Saltires en Sevilla

Jobo – good morning

Thanks for info. I had assumed it was The Dave Stewart of ‘ everything I touch is a success and it makes me unhappy’ fame 😀

Saltires en Sevilla

CCB and Bobby

The crush barriers makes sense – remember there was huge work done at all grounds especially Paradise and Hampden in late 70’s or early Eighties when more steel barriers were added.

Bobby the few times sitting on those barriers – ouch !! Not a ninety minute thing 😣

Saltires en Sevilla

Jobo

This will be another tough one tonite – never easy in the wind at Easter Road.

We should have enough

fan

Saltires en Sevilla
Packy had an outstanding ability to shrink and avoid contact with most balls fired in his direction.

Jobo Baldie

A full SPL card tonight and not one of the games chosen for live TV coverage. Are we not now allowed to clash with he 4th round of the Carabao Cup?? All of Scotland on the search for dodgy streams tonight then……

Leggy

Morning all,

SeS,

Another great article. Well done 👏👏👏

Yes, I was there at 1-0 game but unfortunately not in the photo.

Easter Rd was always a favourite away game with the bev and the jack the rippers.

There was a couple of good pubs down Leith with “ Entertainment “ 😜😜

Hard game tonight but 2-0 to the Bhoys 👍

COYBIG 🍀🍀🍀 HH

Squire Danaher

Good morning folks

Another good read prepared by SES

The Peter Scarff story is tragic and indicative of the health issues that beset the general population at the time. On a personal note, the Squire-ess’s maternal great aunt Madge (her granny’s sister) was apparently PS’s fiancée. I may be wrong but I think she never married afterwards.

I am aware that Iain Reynolds of the Linwood CSC has written very good pieces on PS. Someone on here said Iain hadn’t been keeping well so hopefully he is now doing OK.

The Hibs game 1981; from what I recall W Garner never kicked another ball for Celtic after this. I vividly recall being behind the goal and him laughing his head off as he sclaffed an effort wide from about 3 yards following a corner. He nearly caused a riot.

Squire Danaher

Meantime, let’s hear from any fresh-faced Sentinels in the crowd…

https://wikifoundryimages.s3.amazonaws.com/1878b0f9b95bcd7b16718f68c4e3aa0e

———

I’m the good looking guy…..

GER57

Johnny Doyle was Celtic daft and gave 100% every time he donned the hoops. He was quick and brave and hot tempered.
I was at CP in March 1980 when he scored v Real Madrid. We thought we’d knock them out after that, but it was not to be, and indeed it was our last post Christmas Euro tie until MON arrived.
Referees didn’t like Johnny at all, and many will remember him getting sent off when he kicked the ball off the ref’s napper by accident milliseconds after he’d blown for an infringement. My take is the ref knew he’d given a dodgy decision, and thought Johnny had booted the ball at him in anger. He was still staggering as he sent JD off. The sending off was rescinded later by the beaks in Park Gardens. Some things never change, eh?

Squire Danaher

Ger57

If you watch that incident, JD had head down and hammers a cross. The referee is several yards away. For it to have been deliberate would have been a feat of marksmanship.

An absolutely ludicrous decision.

Squire Danaher
GER57

Squire Danaher,
Indeed. If only Johnny could have been so accurate with all his crosses.

Leggy

GER57,

You mentioned Celtic beat Real Madrid 2-0 at home 1980.

Well my first European adventure was for the away leg.

We were leaving George Square at 11.00pm on the Sunday night. 5 buses in total.

There was a pub called The Devil’s Elbow and everyone left there and piled onto the buses. Guys were actually stretchered on to the buses which remember in those days had no toilets. ( Just 2 big barrels).

Well everyone is on and we embark on our 1500 mile journey. ( We eventually arrived Tuesday afternoon)

500 yards !!!! Up the road at the old Duke St Hospital somebody on our bus shouts Driver, Gonny stop fir a pish !!!!!

Well thing got worse but this story to be continued……

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SALTIRES

Grateful thanks once again for the wee wander along memory lane.

I was at the game where Johnny Doyle got sent off against Ayr United. I was in the Ayr United end with my Uncle Billy and his family/friends. They were astounded at the decision! Johnny,of course,had been a favourite of theirs for years,and they weren’t too pleased at him being sent off.

He was not having a good run of form at this time,and that would continue through our own Annus Horribilis of the 77/78 season just as it did for all of our players-even those few lucky enough to escape injury that season. But you can’t keep a good man down!

He rose to the occasion when given the chance the following season-I still can’t believe watching him kicking MacDonald right in front of the ref!-and he certainly deserves to be remembered for more than just THAT goal against Real. I was at the three of them,and I reckon Johnny brought a stepladder to get on the end of that cross v Real.

I was delighted when he joined us,delighted when it was working for him,and devastated at his early death.

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LEGGY

I remember The Devil’s Elbow. Utter dive-which was miraculously transformed a couple of years later into,not a dive!’

Not sure that such staff uniforms would be permitted nowadays!

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SQUIREDANAHER

Aye,Iain has written some amazing and well-researched stuff about the club. I’ve got a copy of some of them,including the Peter Scarff one,which he kindly sent me.

I’m sorry to hear he is unwell,so will try to contact him to pass on my best wishes etc.

Mahe

Morning troops,
Happy hump day.

Duplicate image now fixed, sincere apologies SES. As usual we are in your debt.

Poor Peter Scarff eh, not even sure how one would catch Tuberculosis, and I think the bunch of shots school kids received ( the BCG) might help the fight against it?

Vale of Leven,,great name and they were clearly a great cup team for a while, such a pity those at the helm couldn’t control the finances. That’s a cracking badge BTW.

Rest in Peace Johnny Doyle.

Hail Hail

Mahe

Leggy,,
“Easter Rd was always a favourite away game with the bev and the jack the rippers.”
I honestly don’t know what that means!?
But someday you should pen the tale of that away trip to Madrid. Sounds a hoot.

Hail Hail

Mahe

Fella goes to the doctors and says everytime I go to the bar all the ladies throw their knickers at me!
Doctor says you’ve caught Tom Jones disease.
Fella says never heard of it, is it rare?
Doctor says,, It’s Not Unusual,,,,

Ill get my coat

BMCUWP
Many a happy afternoon spent in the Devil’s Elbow. Staff uniforms were probably the main reason for the increased numbers of punters. Missed a few trains staying till closing time, when the last train home was 5 minutes after closing time and the station was 7 minutes from the pub.

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SOLKITTS

Aye,the only train that runs on time is the one you turn up late for. Sods Law.

SFTB

Still looking for today’s Superbru predictions to be made before tonight’s 7.45 pm deadline from the following:-

18 yard man
Big George’s Fan Club
Brth
Celtic Mac
Craig76
Frank Terry
Knoxy
St. Tams
Tirconnell

Well done the rest of you!

big packy

AFTERNOON ALL and JIM, saltires once again fantastic post,never seen johnny doyle, had moved down to liverpool in 1974 but remember my uncle packy heartbroken on the phone to me telling me he had died, as regards easter road remember my first visit there probably,66/67, could not believe how steep the terracing was, im not talking about the terracing behind the goals, no it was iether behind the dugouts or the other end ,unless my oul memory is playing me up😎 😎

Leggy

Mahe,

Translation.

Bev – Good drinking session.

Jack the Rippers – Actually Go-Go dancers but with financial incentive !! Became Strippers !!!

HH 🍀🍀🍀

Chairbhoy

Great Piece Again SeS,

As I came down to England in the mid seventies and TV coverage of Scottish football was pretty poor – no timternet of course – I’d heard a lot but seen little of the team with Johnny Doyle in it.

The one game I do remember from the vantage point of the Jungle was the Partizan Tirana game.

We struggled to start with and went an own goal down but then we responded with Ange ball on speed and finished the game as a competition before the second half… Awesome display.

Big Packy,

From yesterday…

When I was at school in Airdrie there was an old railway line that used to run past the school and up near to the Dalziel bakery.

Sometimes when the notion took us at lunchtime me and a few lads would keep our dinner money and walk up the railway to Dalziel’s and get a big bag of yesterday’s cakes, we would stuff ourselves on the way back to school…

True story that;)

Looking good to a result tonight, not a popular thing to say but I was glad to see the back of Scott, not that I didn’t appreciate he was a fine player for us over many seasons.

Yet he never reached his potential for me and he maybe should have moved on with the Ronny Rebels.

Just my opinion.

Anyway I hope he has the game of his career tonight and has me eating a huge pile of humble cake…

COYBIG

Hail Hail

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CHAIRBHOY

IIRC,the Partizan game gave us a truly memorable header from Alan Sneddon. But as you say,at the wrong end!

big packy

CHAIRBHOY, think i know the railwayline you are talking about, was a trainspotter back in the day, for my sins😎 😎

Chairbhoy

BMCUWPs @ 3:55 PM,

Yes, it was a very odd game, you could really feel the tension at Parkhead and I think it got to the players, when a fantastic header from Sneddon hit the back of our net you had a feeling it was one of those nights.

But lo-&-behold, the dam broke and we played some of the best attacking football I can remember, Tirana were totally rocked.

Wave after wave of attack and we looked dangerous everytime – we made that crossing the ball into the box thing look easy in those days:)))

Big Packy…

Remember as a young boys them lifting the lines but it can’t even imagine the railway lines around the Monkland when you were a boy, lots of trains to spot – Coatbridge had three railway stations!!

Hail Hail

big packy

have you noticed JIM has not been on, well as you may or not know jim is a hibee, oh yes true story, when we meet at the larkhall celtic supporters club, JIM always has his ancient order of hibernians sash on, as we speak jim is getting the 29 bus from larkhall to alexander parade, then the 26 bus to newmains, and finally the 1888 bus to portabello, then he can walk from there to easter road,😎

big packy

CHAIRBHOY, sunnyside station is where we used to get the blue train into glasgow,,ach memories😎

jimthetim53

Packy you’re nearly right. I was once at Easter Road and was with one of the sponsors – VIP seats, hospitality etc. Nearing the end of the game we had to nominate the MOTM. I piped up with a Celtic player. They all laughed at me. “It has to be one of the home players”!!! (Too many drinkies).
Sitting with us at the meal before the game was one of the Hib’s Famous Five. Lawrie Reilly. Smashing man. 🙂

The Real McCoy

Big Packy, Chairbhoy,
This song always reminds me of trips to Glasgow and occasionally Helensburgh in the summer.
‘ Take the blue train, Places never been before’
Somewhere Down The Crazy River-

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dAHG4eb0Kcc

Thetic

Packy you brought back childhood memories when you talked about train spotting, we had the wee book with all the names and numbers. I remember the holy grail at the time was the Mallard, I had seen it in many glossy shiny pictures but it was a manky mess when I eventually got to see it for the first time
I was not disappointed how could you be when it was acknowledged as the fastest train in the workl if my mind isn’t playing games with me our favourite was the flying Scotsman
Another great read today, hope we can knock off a win and they lose ,it will make my week

Leggy

Road to Madrid ( Part 2)

Eventually got to Dover and onto the ferry.( Monday afternoon)

In those days you couldn’t get alcohol until the ship left the port.

So I stood in queue and about 10 in front of me. Bar opens, and everyone has been drinking Lanny, El D, etc so wants wine !!!

The first 10 get wine, so when I arrive, I’m greeted with £2 please !!!!

That meant 1 red and 1 white !!!!

Couldn’t argue as, there’s a queue like an execution behind me.

Bloody hell. My first trip abroad and I’m a bloody wine drinker !!!!

Still drank it and …………

big packy

THE REAL MCOY/ JIM,😎 👍

big packy

THETIC ,hi pal yes mallard was one of the locomotives everyone wanted to catch,,hope you are well👍 aff oot dugwalking before the game starts,👍

Craig76

Our last win at Easter Road ( not a league game)
Stunning strike by Jamsie, and a net buster from Broony
https://twitter.com/gigpod/status/1453108513891405825

Craig76

Time to end the 7 year wait

To be fair Hibs were in the championship between 2014-2017 so not realy 7 years

Craig76

Saltires en sevilla
Great article again 👏👏

Leftclicktic

Craig 76 5:29
I was up in wishaw gen hospital visiting my mam, depending on text updates that night.
MemoriesCSC

Saltires

An inspirational read. Too many Celtic players, have been taken from us far too early. Peter Scarff and Johnny Doyle RIP. Just for the craic Saltires, I’d love to do a guest article on a Heart’s supporters site, entitled:

‘Hearts:On This Day:3rd May 1986′.

Or alternatively, on a Huns’ supporters site:

‘Rangers:On These Days:

25th May 1967. 31st May 1967. 14th February 2012.’

I reckon I’m on to a winner.

Mon The Hoops.

Craig76

Leftclicktic
Back then I was reliant on cqn for the match commentary, had not heard of hesgoal back then

Craig76

Team
Hart
Ralston
Starfelt
Juranovic
McGregor
Turnbull
Johnston
Rogic
Jota
Kyogo

Subs Bain,Bitton, Giakoumakis, Ajeti, Abada, Montgomery, Welsh

big packy

who was at the game in september 1972 when hibs beat us 2-1, i was there with my uncle packy we had a few players out injured macari and connelly, but pat stanton stole the show he scored one and set up the second, how can a ghuy with the first name pat score against us, im still reeling after all those years, another true story,👍

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BIGPACKY

Hibs had a terrific team around that time. And Pat Stanton joined us in 76 to become a double-winner with us,and an absolutely wonderful player. £10k plus Jackie Mac’s Dad.

Craig76

Saltires en sevilla
Video footage of Big Packy diving the wrong way in that 1981 game

big packy

BOBBY, yes i was overjoyed when pat stanton joined us, terrific player,👍

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