A new breed of fan needs a new breed of org

The Celtic fans.
The worldwide diaspora, millions strong.
They shall buy jerseys in the millions, and raise fantastic sums for charity.
When they gather they can create an atmosphere unequaled throughout the globe.
They sing songs of their past players and their history in amazing voice and with passion that has reduced grown men to tears.
Together with their local heroes, they conquered Europe!
Is there anything they can’t do?
Yep, unite under one umbrella.


None of the supporters organizations have cracked it, if they had their membership numbers would be much bigger due to the market size.
We certainly have a need for one, more than ever we could do with a strong supporter group,,,as such its beyond time the issue is raised and debated.
So what’s our perfect supporters organization look like to me?


Democratic for starters with the obvious one man one vote system. Not one man or even three but five or seven on committees to offer a feeling of a collective leading the way. A larger number also allows more diversity (the more women the better in my humble opinion), more range in age (from the young adult to the old, like the team everyone is welcome), and location (as to speak with some knowledge of feelings in those parts or simply offer a non local view).
There’s many different types of Tim out there, the more that are represented the better.


The funds especially would need to be handled democratically. Yes there would be funds involved, almost a necessity, but those funds would open up many options.
Legal opinion on certain issues, flyover banner, crowd banner, leaflets for pre-game handouts, soup kitchen,,,
You propose it, enough minimum votes gets it aired, and democracy does its thing, simples.


Transparent, and I mean crystal clear. Every meeting recorded if needs must, emails made public if necessary. Everything being fully above board and out in the open, allied by the multiple check system of your fellow group/committee members should help stem any allegations of impropriety.


Internet savvy is an absolute must these days. Most if not all major supporters
organizations were founded before the Internet became prevalent, the primary means of communication is no longer face to face, Covid also helped in that regard. Nowadays in this interconnected world folk want a responsive website and a quick response.
Easy to navigate, query questions answered promptly not within three business days treating you like an obstacle not a vital cog.
A modern organization must embrace the Internet and understand the importance of the online experience. It might be just myself but I think the Internet also helps place everyone on an equal footing, we are all just a name and an opinion, and some who wouldn’t usually speak up in social settings are more than capable when it comes to online conversation.


While we are all equal, the “who” is still important.
We would all like a good Tim we know to be involved for peace of mind.
I could name ten people immediately who’s supporting credentials are unquestionable,,
who’ve been shown to have Celtic and it’s fans best interest at heart numerous times,,
and aren’t in the game for personal gain or advancement of any kind.
Ten that we would all agree are just simple good Tims we and the club are happy to have.
I could name many and I’m sure you could also.
There are names out there we could all agree on, and trust that all is above board with them involved.
There is also a wealth of professional expertise scattered among the fans that could be a benefit, but that’s not to say only professionals at the helm. That has not served us well and must end. Diverse, principled, and fully trustworthy,,, that would be a great start.


But its nothing without faith. faith in the structures and in democracy itself.
Not everyone likes the result of every vote, that’s a fact. So if you’re going to chuck it after one decision doesn’t go your way then this organisation is not for you.
That’s simple democracy and if that’s what the Tims majority voted for, those who didnt must accept the result.
As for structures, again just my opinion, but being inclusive and proactive would be my preferred approach for instance there could be groups each working upon a specific task.
Growth – visiting friendly websites to spread the word and answer questions
Communications – responding to members and prospective members emails
Funding – jointly controlling the account and giving updates
Whilst there should be an executive committee for meetings etc it should be a high turnover position, with emphasis on relaying information accurately (signed by all) and quickly ( get home and type up what happened) to the entire membership.


I’m aware that without a strategy that differs from others, you’re just like all the rest, only a new group. So what’s the strategy, the plan of attack?
The plan is a bit like the chicken and the egg,,the plan is best voted upon by the members so as to be fully embraced, yet many want to hear the plan before they become members, and joining then becomes contingent upon liking what they hear.
Making it up as you go will only earn detractors, and any plan presented so far hasn’t captured the support’s imagination.
It should be,,,
Viable enough to convince the sceptic,
Ballsy enough to convince the bold,
Strong enough to entice the brave,
Easy enough so the average Tim can say aye,
Hard enough to get the boardrooms attention,
Soft enough so as to not cross any lines, legal or moral,
Flexible enough to overcome setbacks,
Intriguing enough to draw in the curious,
And of course be new and different.
Anyone got that specifically just lying around? It would be a great help? Pretty please?


The plan is what really needs your input. A transparent, committee based organisation isnt that hard to throw together, I wish the plan were so easy.
Whats your own threshold here? Its time for opinions on this sensitive matter.
As usual I’m happy to give mine, a sliding scale of actions contingent upon board undertakings to a time frame.
There are a myriad of actions small and large that could become part of our arsenal, start at the bottom and slowly work up the list encouraging dialogue, insisting its not private, the front men are merely messengers.
While it may be easy to think the board would shrug, they haven’t been faced with a strong sliding scale of action ever. Associate businesses have never been heavily targeted, high profile games haven’t been deliberately delayed, new strips just don’t get ignored, the pies and bovril are expected to bring a tidy profit and not go cold then into homeless mouths etc etc.
Shit, they’ve never been faced by a major group.
Could you back a strong action scale? Or have an idea instead?


There’s no right answer or wrong here, and hopefully no judging, it’s just your honest and worthwhile opinion that’s sought,knowledge being power and all that.
The broad church must start to come together and think, no Celtic means no time like the present.

By Mahe

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Germo Friesian
November 13, 2021 6:12 am

‘ throughout the globe ‘?

Should that not be ‘Around the globe’?

Or do you mean within the very inner realms of the Earth itself, through the alleged magma and molten iron and various other alleged ‘bits of stardust’ etc?

Please confirm these factors as I have OCD & ADHD and such degenerate lack of attention to detail could and may well keep me awake for weeks on end.

And what proof do we have that it even is a ‘globe’?

If this were true please explain to us all why the stellar constellations repeat the exact same cycles year after year, millennia after millennia.

If you would, please.

Germo Friesian
November 13, 2021 6:25 am

And if you’re wondering about my unusual moniker it is simply because I was a germophobe at school and all my horrid horrid classmates called me a big fat cow and thus & therefore the name thence stuck.

So now you know something of me please clarify these parts of you that you have here put your name to, kind sir.

November 13, 2021 6:30 am


Brilliant article 👏👏👏👏👏👏

I wish someone would pass that on to The Board and get them thinking !!!!

HH 🍀🍀

Germo Friesian
November 13, 2021 6:38 am

I must disagree with Leggy as I feel the attention to detail is unscrupulously lacking and that the author has taken liberties with artistic licence and that this thus & therefore renders the entire piece moot.

Please consider a rewrite or, at the very least, some, if not wholly overall, amendments.

With many thanks to you, kind sir.

Noel Skytrot
November 13, 2021 7:01 am

very well put, but people are generally selfish and driven by ego, self importance etc thus leading to fuckery.

Watched the Scotland game last night and every Scottish player had an armband with the poppy symbol on bar Kieran Tierney, I wonder why?

November 13, 2021 7:05 am


Put me down for the SL Mini hoot and I’ll try and persuade Jobo also 👍👍

Germo Friesian
November 13, 2021 7:19 am

And what’s all this about pies ‘not going cold so they can then go into homeless mouths’?!

Are you seriously suggesting, kind sir, that it is better that the pie attendants make more money via outrageous profiteering rather than helping feed the homeless?

Do they even feed the homeless with their cold stale pies or do they throw the entire lot in the bin post match?

Are there many homeless waiting patiently outside the gates of Celtic Park of a match day evening merely waiting for some pies or do they have a greater point to make to the support at large as they go about their busy hustle & bustle pre, pending & thus post match?

If so I would regard this as appalling behaviour by a club created to allegedly ‘help the poor’’ while feeding their fat cat millionaire board members enough per capita in one year to house every homeless person in Glasgow.

And this is the team you support?

Whose hungry homeless fans must rake rubbish skips for the remnants of that night’s cold & greasy and overpriced cardboard tasting pies?

November 13, 2021 8:04 am

Celtic fans organisation
Good article Mahe. Plenty of talking points.
The traditional fans groups are the descendants of the original Brake clubs, which arranged transport to and from games and were the means of distributing tickets to fans for the bigger games. There has never really been any official channel through which fans can express their views to the board on issues affecting them. The board is quite content with this set up.
As the article says, Celtic fans come from a wide range of backgrounds, and are highly unlikely to agree on any of the major issues of the day. Celts for Change only happened when Sherrifs Officers were threatening to liquidate the club.
A major problem for any would be leaders in a Celtic fans organisation would be the media attention they would have to endure, and probable threats to their safety.
I have no pat answer to these concerns, but I think they are real.

big packy
November 13, 2021 8:36 am

MORNING ALL and JIM ,great article, i know one thing for sure if the whole worldwide celtic family did come together, them charlatans in the celtic boardroom would be booted out of parkhead, and down london road never to be seen again, we live in hope👍

November 13, 2021 8:39 am

I’ll try to expand a little on my previous post.
Any leader of a Celtic fan group is going to have to express views which will be controversial. For example, the blatant bias of Scottish referees, Sevco’s financial chicanery, our board’s unwillingness to meaningfully engage with fans.
The media will crucify that person, and probably publish personal info which could endanger him/her? They’ve done it before.
I want to be positive, but looking at the kerfuffle with the Celtic Trust, I can’t be that optimistic.

November 13, 2021 8:46 am

Morning all
As no game today here’s 1 from the past

The Gombeen Man
November 13, 2021 8:52 am

Post Alert,

The following doesn’t mention the Old Firm or Sevco once…


That was a lovely post yesterday.

It sounds as though you’ve already mentored your boy. Such a privilege to be present to that experience.

A blessing.


Often a period of protracted, painful suffering puts us on some kind of a path. Usually that involves letting go. The more we surrender to what we already are, the better.

For the very little it’s worth…

What’s generally referred to as an Awakening seems to happen first. This isn’t the end of the journey, just the beginning. Transformation can take years and might never be fulfilled.

By transformation, I’m describing a process that changes everything, utterly. We’re being transformed into Love.

This isn’t something the Psyche or Ego completes – people – frequently, opt out.

It’s the Ego that feels the pain. Not what you really are. That’s worth bearing in mind. It is pretty painful.

That said, there’s many blissful, beautiful moments too.

You learn there’s nothing to really worry about or get unduly anxious about. You can ‘lose it’ in the heat of the moment. But there’s always a knowing, a refuge, that lets you know everything is okay.

Every assumption you had. Everything you believed is turned on its head. This can be pretty traumatic at times. But like everything. This passes. Everything you believed you were, is being removed.

Complete trust in the Grace of what’s happening is required.

Often this process involves some discipline. Most practices seems to be okay. So long as your not hurting people. It’s not the practice itself that transforms. All that’s needed is willingness and surrender. The Practice provides guidance and support.

The Ego or Mind doesn’t get that no matter how hard it tries. It’s not able to do this. We can help the process, by surrendering – but it’s not what we consider ‘me’ doing this.

It changes everything forever. Nothing is the same again.

When more of reality is revealed, it takes a bit of maturity and responsibility to deal with it.
Folk who are unprepared can and do lose the run of themselves.

It takes some grounding and support, for most people.

What’s happening is a Grace.

Ultimately it doesn’t leave a trace of fear, bliss, attachment or desire.

Nothing is left.

Just moment to moment, Life.

In other words, Love.

I’ll leave it there.


How do you know I wasn’t talking about the fella that plays for Liverpool?


I enjoyed reading your thoughts yesterday…
It’s funny how all the emphasis seems to be on punishing the individual.
It seems there’s little concentration on the Institutions.
It’s always the poor individual that gets canned


Time to run…

Have a great weekend.

Jobo, Thanks for posting Gerry Rafferty last night.

Saltires en Sevilla
November 13, 2021 8:53 am


Lots to think about and I’d be right behind your ideas & intentions… and shove hard as hell.

Howeve, what occurred to me is that Celtic fans have never had. Collective Voice -apart from cheering. Goal or booing a ref. … singing the Celtic Song or Walk On.

After that everything fragments into wee groups and in those they probably can’t even decide on the best route home from the game, nevermind who was the best or worst player

The traditional channels for Collective are fast disappearing … if not gone…. …The Mass on Sunday and HoO or, The Mass meetings in yards and shop floor … all practically gone, if they were ever really a factor in forming the opinion or group-think of Celts’ support.

The group that got closet to uniting the support to achieve meaningful change in early 90’s had a charismatic leader in Matt and he was ably backed by genuinely good guys who all worked hard Brendan and few others, gave up so much to keep the focus going..

Mass meeting booked in The City Hall and some good press coverage ( actually it was in hindsight)

Then there were guys with serious money in the background subtly pulling the levers to get what they anted – and I include Fergus … there were others and they had an eye on a prize – money – when Fergus won the lead role the others vanished.. nae control nae gravy … byeee

The goods were shared about … but only to some .. not to all and that’s another story

The point I take from then and how it’s relevant now is that things were bad… very bad … but still a large group of fans were unable to or, unwilling to, join the fight! “Malcontents” was one of the nicer taunts hurled at the guys.

They prevailed and having money guys up against guys with no money – helped a lot

That was then,this is now.

Totally different

It’s just not bad enough to energise the support – it might be difficult to understand that and I struggle with it … but the truth is the vast celtic but fragmented support are not upset enough by events in last 10 years to do nything about it

When it happens – I suspect guy in our age range/demographic will not be leading it

They will be organised and funded much in the same way as original Celts for Change – the meetings will be virtual and membership opinion formed and settled via an app or whatever replaces apps..

It’s just not bad enough … folk care, not saying they don’t, but they ain’t upset enough and it’s going to take a lot to change that

The Bòrd know this because they have The Analytics to reassure them .. every Spring ….Ching!

I feel the energy just sucking out of me tbh… but can’t wait to se what Ange does next game..


Noel Skytrot
November 13, 2021 9:03 am

Germo Freezin,
WTF are you on about? Surely you’ve better things to do than troll this site on a Saturday morning?

Saltires en Sevilla
November 13, 2021 9:09 am

In no particular order

magua – haha I’ve stolen everything I put on here so keeping my head down tbh 🌞

PB – you are in th Retired gang now – Join the club – yaasssssss

and would have voted Dougie Maclean’s version of Caledonia … saw him doing a great version at Cropredy in the sunset … amazing

But would rather spend an evening with Frankie and Rory on Guitar 🎸

MIT – Iove your items … and TGM and Chairbhoy and others – great value even if I don’t understand it all
My area of ‘expertise’ ( hark at …) is on occupational Behaviour and motivation/incentive – job/person sizing and orgs change etc. None of this prepares me for your depth and level of debate, but as I say, love reading it…so thought provoking.

I did read David Stourton’ (sp) The Absolute Truth many years ago and was hugely hopeful that the church in South America and Africa and Asia would see a change in direction to a new fresher more inclusive faith … then I got divorced and re-married and the Church basically told us to get the eff out of it unless we were prepared to write stuff about our previous spouses … so we told them where to go

now we are both happily content with being spiritual folk .. tho’ it occurs to us we never changed much

Great stuff guys

November 13, 2021 9:52 am

Great stuff once again 👏
So many thought-provoking posts in recent days that I am left wondering (not thinking…😉😊) about the meaning of everything. I cannot respond right at this moment, so I will ponder awhile.

A thing of beauty
November 13, 2021 10:00 am

Maybe you were. I’ll away and have a good think about it.

November 13, 2021 10:08 am

Morning all, fine day to be a Celt…

Excellent Lead Mahe,

If it sounds slightly utopian I’ve now issue with that, but it’s a pragmatic idea that’s addressed the shortcomings of the current organisations.

Yes, it has to be huge, it has to be professional, it has to be all inclusive, it has to be transparent and most of all it has to be independent and accountable.

If you look at the CSA and it’s scalability and the CST and its constitution and objectives then there is an interesting model right their.

We are all too aware of these organisations shortcomings so there is lessons learned right there.

Real influence on the day to day Celtic decisions would come from Club ownership (part) an aim and a cause many could get behind. Grass roots supporters in towns and Cities being members through a CSC type social/e-meetings club, but totally independent.

Auldheid @ 2:52 am,

The Resolution expressing concern at various aspects of Celtic’s behaviour on the issue of governance that was the basis for creating Res12 in 2013 (and I was looking over an old set of e mails which confirm that was a factor ( along with accountability) actually was based on Truth and Reconciliation principles but that got lost when the CST intervened.

However I am a believer that the truth will out and with it the way to reconciliation will open.

For the record the Concern Resolution is now Res11 in the AGM agenda.

My contribution to a Edinburgh University Press publication Bigotry Football and Scotland came under a chapter named ” Sectarianism Sells or Does It”.

I think there is a growing awareness of the hateful basis on which Scottish football is sold to its supporters and that awareness can be difficult to process especially if hate is not why folk support Celtic.

If it is then there is always a choice not to hate, if it isn’t the basis, then to thyself be true is what to hold on to.

That’s very interesting, it’s not surprising that the best example of truth and reconciliation working was in a country where the concept of Ubuntu is honoured.

So what was it then? Does it sell!?

Guess that was quite a complex chapter and it depends on whose picking up the tab. Not Celtic or Rangers.

It has often struck me while reading your work that an invisible force is working against you within the Celtic support.

Glasgow’s had a reputation for being “no mean City”. I wonder if this “invisible force” is a hintergedanke within the Celtic support…

… they know we are up against a stacked deck, we know Rangers cheat, we know the officials are at it. If our Board can be a bit underhand, fight with the gloves off and maybe not be as transparent or whiter than white as their Celtic Foundation Projections suggest so be it – it’s a dog eat dog World!!

Just a thought but I’m sure it exists, how big a factor this has been on your campaign not firing the imagination of the wider Celtic support as it should have done I don’t know – that’s been a mystery to me.

Still although it’s not being playing sailing (understatement of the season) the CST seems to me the best available option.

Mahe’s lead is very interesting in that respect.

Good luck with Res11 next week, we’ll have everything crossed.

BTW: You may have seen me mention the collective unconsciousness yesterday – an experiment you may find interesting.

Now I’m doing this from memory but the key points are there…

Scientists got a mouse, they scented it’s water.

One had lavender that the mouse seemed to enjoy. One day they poisoned the lavender water and the mouse got sick.

Whenever the water was scented with lavender the mouse wouldn’t drink it, even though it contained no poison.

Not surprising you may think.

However, for the next six generations the mouses off-spring would not drink lavender water.

Some notions we have are more hard wired in than we may think…

Have a great day.

Hail Hail

November 13, 2021 10:28 am

The Gombeen Man @ 8:52 am,

Thanks – yes, I knew you’d understand.

As you say the transformation may never be fulfilled but when the pain turns to sweetness then it’s so much more rewarding.

Practice and study, the results are odd sometimes, like you’ve taking a course in French and come out speaking Chinese.

All benefits of course and we plough on.

Jesus and Buddha had the same challenges so I don’t overly concern myself with it.

Often people say their teachings are contradictory but you have to bear in mind that neither wrote down the teachings themselves and that they were dealing with people on different paths and understanding.

It may be as difficult for a rich man to enter “heaven” as a camel pass through the eye of a needle – but it was no picnic for a farm worker toiling away in the field all day six days a week.

In that regard with the knowledge, wisdom and inspiration we have at hand we are a blessed generation and I never take that for granted.

Thanks again

Hail Hail

November 13, 2021 10:44 am

Saltires en Sevilla @ 9:09 am,

Yes, rather interesting eclectic couple of days on SC – some brilliant insights.

So sorry to hear about your issues over your divorce, it is such a challenge when one of your main support vehicles turns its back at such a time of need.

I used to take my children to Mass but felt like an outsider.

Your skill-sets sound not only practical and valuable and but eminately transferable to many walks of life.

Love your if you know your history…

Hail Hail

Saltires en Sevilla
November 13, 2021 10:50 am


Your great point about the focus on a figurehead/leader -absolutely agree – it would take a very (dareisay) clean, brave individual. As Mahe said we could all point to a few … some on here no doubt would make a fine contribution, but the personal cost – would they be willing to

I’m thinking our future saviour-person hasn’t been born yet.

Saltires en Sevilla
November 13, 2021 11:00 am

Chairbhoy – thanks for your kindness

We don’t wish to appear bitter or anti – we know friends who have come through the process and swear by it and it’s effectiveness. Our experience leaves us a bit numb if I’m honest. Things we enjoyed doing and sharing in the wider congregation that we can’t, because we enjoyed doing in private – things that shouldn’t be anyone’s business. I’ll leave it at that

Except to say, ‘separation’ isn’t always a choice and the ‘process’ seems to assume that it always is. The requirement to lay out the details in a marriage to someone we will never meet – in Birmingham – ( I joked –” whit Alabama?”) just isn’t on.

Anyway, appreciate your interest and keep your musings and thoughts coming – it all helps

November 13, 2021 11:04 am

Apologies to all female drivers on the blog

Stole this from twitter ⬇️⬇️ @Johnny_Saltire

If your wife says she’s going out to scrape the car in the morning, don’t ask, “against what”?

Margaret McGill
November 13, 2021 11:23 am

Fat Cow
Do you mean light years?

November 13, 2021 11:23 am

Troll alert.

Saltires en Sevilla
November 13, 2021 11:27 am

MiT ( yesterday’ blog page1)

“Its not all about choice. We dont get to chose to drink and drive, or punch someone we dont like. We live in a society where rights are above privileges and within the sphere of rights, some rights trump other rights.

Going to Celtic is not a right. It is a privilege.

People have the right not to be discriminated against. (although Scotland seem loath to enforce this, at least when it comes to some sections of society)

However, for most countties (and Scotland will get there eventually), in law, and in decency, rights trump privileges.

Here, the difficulty is in establishing causation between supporting Celtic and incidents of discrimination. Not sure that sort of study has been done, but I have no doubt that it could be ..”


Mike – just realised the bit ( one of them..) that’s been running about in my head:

“Going to Celtic is not a right. It is a privilege.”

Stumped me completely, I just know there is a whole load of theory and learning behind this idea. It would be really helpful if you can help me unpack that a bit. Apologies if you already did but if you can rephrase as I’m genuinely interested in that concept ( if that’s the right word)

Btw my late uncle went to school with Gerry Rafferty, as did other family members, he went to live and work in Canada in early ’80’s. After Chrysler UK collapsed. Still have cousin born there whom I’ve never met

November 13, 2021 11:30 am

Good morning all from Shawlands. A lovely day to be busy doing nothing. 😜

November 13, 2021 11:34 am

Every assumption you had. Everything you believed is turned on its head. This can be pretty traumatic at times. But like everything. This passes. Everything you believed you were, is being removed.
A point on that journey that the ego runs up against is the thought that it’s too good to be true.

However if that door is arrived and the road ahead seems an anxious one, some event, some person something turns up to encourage going through each door.

However pain is the start of that Journey. As Gibran put it

And a woman spoke, saying, Tell us of Pain.
And he said:
Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding.
Even as the stone of the fruit must break, that its heart may stand in the sun, so must you know pain.
And could you keep your heart in wonder at the daily miracles of your life your pain would not seem less wondrous than your joy;
And you would accept the seasons of your heart, even as you have always accepted the seasons that pass over your fields.
And you would watch with serenity through the winters of your grief.

Much of your pain is self-chosen.
It is the bitter potion by which the physician within you heals your sick self.
Therefore trust the physician, and drink his remedy in silence and tranquility:
For his hand, though heavy and hard, is guided by the tender hand of the Unseen,
And the cup he brings, though it burn your lips, has been fashioned of the clay which the Potter has moistened with His own sacred tears.

Saltires en Sevilla
November 13, 2021 11:40 am


You in the Georgic?

Or Granary 😊

Saltires en Sevilla
November 13, 2021 11:42 am


He is good 😂

November 13, 2021 12:15 pm

Saltires, in Sir Jakie Maxwell.

November 13, 2021 12:23 pm


Does sectarianism sell? ( that was the title back then but that thinking on the term has changed but you cannot replace the written words of their time only work from them)

My suggestion as I recall was in ” down like a ton of bricks ” category but there would be a cost to Rangers from loss of a swathe of support to changing their nature.

That cost should be recognised and quantified and compared with the benefits to Scottish society of the consequences of the unhealthy attitudes that Rangers attract and live of being changed and compensate for the financial loss on a conditional basis.

Then a programme to detoxify is embarked on having removed a practical fear element.

I’ve punted T&R and forgiveness concepts to the Catholic Church and Scottish Government but no takers so far, which reminds me I need to go back and respond to their last correspondence.

On the point of resistance to Res12 from within the support that has been a bigger concern than anything coming from the blue meanies.

The CST is not imo the way forward unless they undertake a huge constitutional change anf take on the attributes Mahe has passionately and rationally set out , for the simple reason that as matters stand it can only appeal and communicate with shareholders for as a result of share acquisition being the only string to their bow.
It is divisive not intentionally of course, but perhaps the reason a portion of our support took no interest in Res12 was because a) they were excluded from the information that would have enlightened everyone to the real issue ie governance and SFA reform and b) as matters stand some in the CST have no interest whatsoever in anything related to Res12 an its underlying objective of governance reform.

November 13, 2021 12:46 pm

Germo Friesian access was blocked when I got up this morning about 730.

I just left the posts up so that everyone can understand why.

Saltires en Sevilla
November 13, 2021 12:55 pm


Enjoy buddy


November 13, 2021 1:21 pm


Not all consequences of change can be foreseen but can be speculated on

What if instead of the culture of conflict with the Board were to be replaced with one of cooperation based on mutual respect leading to an accord of what was truly in the best interests of Celtic PLC and those that make Celtic PLC possible?

We have grown up with a tradition of hostility to The Board with good reason but has this approach benefitted Celtic as a WHOLE?

Is one response to Mahe’s question of what the attributes of a new organisation should be, would one be to persuade the Celtic Board by reasoned argument backed by facts that there are benefits to both the PLC and those who allow its existence to working together instead of against each other?

This requires a change of thinking on both sides of the divide and for that road to be travelled. However what history tells us the only benefit (if that is the apt word) of conflict is that it eventually leads to the realisation it is in no ones interest to continue.

Where that unforeseen consequence to arise the club as a whole would be making wholesome statements with nothing to fear.

Just a thought.

November 13, 2021 1:29 pm

Germo Friesian access was blocked when I got up this morning about 730.

I just left the posts up so that everyone can understand why.

In one of Tom Clancy’s books Jack Ryan’s wife made a statement when she explained why she had to go to work and write up reports on paper.

She said ” if you dont write it down it never happened” .

The ability to erase something written electronically can have that beneficial deterrent effect.

November 13, 2021 1:41 pm

Saltires in Seville

We now live in a broad church.

It’s the Internet and everyone has a pulpit.

Maybe one day, probably not our days here, the ability to challenge lies and liars as the fruits of those lies become manifest, the true spirit of human existence will be recognised and prevail.

The Gombeen Man
November 13, 2021 1:46 pm

Thanks Mahe for the article.

As the proverb goes,” You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.”

All you can do is put suggestions out there.

Fair play.


“… encourage (you) through the door.” (Auldheid).

All this talk of reconciliation reminds me of the 15th Century Irish proverb,

“Chance your arm.”

The scene is, St Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin and the conclusion of a battle between two famous Norman families : the Butlers and the Fitzgeralds.


Saltires en Sevilla
November 13, 2021 2:31 pm


“….Everyone has a pulpit …”

Like that -Very, very good. 😇

Saltires en Sevilla
November 13, 2021 2:31 pm


Just an honest mistake?

November 13, 2021 3:11 pm

So no one has a plan down the back of the sofa? 😉

I don’t have much time, gotta drive four hours north soon to visit friends, but couple points.

Ger57 rightly points out that leaders may get hassle.
Well then dont have a leader, but rather a leading committee. A leader can actually harm in that one individual can be polarizing, a group helps in that respect.
How about a female spokesperson, or someone living overseas,,in person appearances only need happen sometimes, any leader need not be a local only. That hasnt went well in the past.
I’ve often thought stick a beautiful smart woman as spokesperson n front of the club or the rags and watch them squirm.

Last point is that ‘we’ should commission that report MIT mentions.
Imagine having solid proof the OF harms society!

Or Imagine one of our own getting elected onto another football clubs board thus giving access to UEFA.

Gotta go, please play nice folks.

Hail Hail

A thing of beauty
November 13, 2021 3:55 pm

Just turned on Sky sports news and Kenny Miller is reporting on one of the games. Wtf. January cannot come soon enough when I cancel mr full package contract (that I’ve had for 20 plus years.) Sky is just an extension of the blue room.
Right off to watch another episode of curb your enthusiasm. Mr ATOB hates it but as he is away this weekend I’m binging like kris boyd at a free buffet.

November 13, 2021 4:52 pm

See what you started? 🙂

The way to go for a global democratic Celtic supporter base. Decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs) | https://t.co/YNm4ynOuKU https://t.co/mWoEKwnmlG

From David Low to which I’ve responded.positively.

November 13, 2021 4:54 pm
November 13, 2021 5:09 pm


My response was to an earlier comment by DL on a DAO here https://twitter.com/Auldheid/status/1459562745746104324?t=-RtLOJzos6KNYdKD2Dru3w&s=19

A thing of beauty
November 13, 2021 5:09 pm

I admire your indefatigability as George Galloway would say but like SES points out we are no where near the point where enough the fan base will even consider a boycott. I was in the Celtic club last week and I can assure you the over arching feeling about the protest over Higgins was fury that we had stopped the game. I doubt even 10% knew what it was about.
Ger57 makes the excellent point that it would need to be a very brave person that leads the organisation simply due to what they would be raising and who they would be calling out. John Reid wanted to call them out but was sidelined by the board. All the while he had the clubs interest at heart the Green Brigade were protesting against him. That’s the problem with a broad church. It’s akin to herding cats.
It will take another financial catastrophe for us to get ourselves together and who wants that? Some on here going by the posts because that’s what would happen if we all decided not to buy season tickets.
Gordon 64,
I enjoyed the article. I think it’s terrible that murdoch controls our game but I am hopeful it won’t be for much longer. The younger generation pay for nothing they don’t need to and eventually there won’t be enough subscribers to keep the channel going. I live in hope!! CYE just crack me up.

November 13, 2021 5:13 pm

Just back from a flying visit to beautiful Perthshire. On days like today it is indeed ‘Gods Own Country’ 😎

Prestonpans bhoys
November 13, 2021 5:24 pm

Perthshire is a lovely place, took my tourer all over it many moons ago. Remember the road to tummel valley being particularly mental in parts 😱

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