If you know your history – 17th November

130 years ago … 1891 and our favourites are in the middle of an entire month of Cup Ties (plus a friendly match) … no league championship games played that November.

On Saturday 14th of November Celts played out a 2-2 ‘friendly’ draw with Kilmarnock before an “immense crowd” although the actual attendance and teams are not recorded.

We know Celtic had been sitting joint second in the league championship behind Hearts with Three (3) games ‘ in hand’ – it would have made more sense to catch up on missing games. Or so we think nowadays, given the primacy of the Championship.

However, there is a sense that Cup matches still took precedence in the period.

The following Saturday we are playing a Glasgow Cup Semi-Final at Celtic Park.

1891-11-21: Celtic 9-2 Linthouse, Glasgow Cup Semi-Final

An interesting fact from this game. The Scotsman match report has a significant error showing Duff playing in goals, but we already know that Duff has been recovering from a serious cold ‘soaking’ at a game in October, and had not returned to the team. With Kelly of Hibs deputising in league games . The ever vigilant Celticwiki has recorded that the goalkeeper in this game was actually Mick Dolan who holds the honour as Celts’ first ever goalkeeper ( Celtic v Rangers 5-2 friendly 28th May 1888)

Celticwiki:

“……,Of the three league games he played for Celtic, all were in April and May 1891, Celtic winning all three convincingly, 5-0 v Cowlairs, 9-1 v Vale of Leven and 2-0 v Abercorn. He played v Northern and v Linthouse the next season too, all sides now gone and off the senior football map.

His brother, Francis Dolan, also played for Celtic from 1890 until 1894.

Mick Dolan did not retain his first team place for long and for most of his time at Parkhead, Mick Dolan was a reserve, but together with his brother Frank Dolan, he was part of the reserves they were in the Celtic Crusaders side that beat St Mirren Strollers 13-1 in the final of the Reserve XI Cup on 21 Feb 1891.

Tom Maley spoke fondly of him:

“He was a goalkeeper of considerable ability, and though he never quite filled the official eye, he was always considered a very good man, and held in high esteem and much respected by all with whom he came in contact at the old enclosure. He was in those faraway days an enthusiastic Celt, and though the years come between, I am pretty certain that enthusiasm never waned.”

Mick Dolan – Celtic’s first goalkeeper.

The Scotsman – Monday, 23rd November 1891, page 5

Celtic v Linthouse – At Parkhead. The Celts were without Dowds and Maley. Twice in succession the Celts scored. McCallum scored a third after half an hour’s play. Linthouse made capital efforts to beat Duff ( error: it was Mick Dolan), and were ultimately successful, Steel and Hurry scoring in succession. McMahon scored a fourth for the Celts. Half-time result:- Celtic, seven goals; Linthouse, two goals. Continuing to play in great form, the Celts opened the second portion by scoring another point, McMahon being responsible. The Celts had all the game. Result :- Celtic, nine goals; Linthouse, two goals.

Celtic:- Dolan, Reynolds, Doyle, Gallagher (sic), Kelly, Kyle, McCallum, Brady, Madden, McMahon, Campbell.

Goals:- Madden, McMahon, McCallum, McMahon, Brady, McCallum, Madden, McMahon, Unknown

Linthouse:-
Leslie, Cameron, Bryson, H Smith, T Steele, Lang, J Steel, J Smith, Henderson, Hurry, Barker.

Goals:- Smith, Hurry.

Att:- 1,500.

In other news…

Linthouse FC (1881-1900) were founded near Govan and played at Langland’s Park before moving to Govandale Park, Govan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govandale_Park#/map/0

Linthouse FC 1881 – 1900

The Linthouse Estate 1869-1915 was owned by Alexander Stephen and Sons Ltd. shipbuilders to The Royal Navy.

The Russian famine 1891/92 began along the Volga

On November 17, 1891, the government asked the people to form voluntary anti-famine organisations. Leo Tolstoy the most famous volunteer, blamed the Tsar and the Orthodox Church for the famine. As a result of this, the Orthodox Church excommunicated Tolstoy and forbade citizens from accepting help from his relief organisation.

Leo Tolstoy ( b.1828- d.1910) & Anton Chekov (b.1860 -d.1904)

70 years ago… 1951 on this day we are playing The Diamonds at Celtic Park,

1951-11-17: Celtic 3-1 Airdrieonians, League Division A

Bertie Peacock was back fit and McAlindon dropped out.
Game kick off time was 2:50 and entrance prices were 5/- for the stand, 2s 3d for the Enclosure and 1s 6 for the Ground and boys were 7d (all including tax!). These prices were similar for all clubs.
The death was announced of former Celt Alec McNair. Willie Maley said of him, “he was a treasure and a gentleman in every sense of the word. In 20 years of service I had never once to alter my first impression of him. Alec was the coolest and most thoughtful player I have seen.

Alec ‘The Icicle’

McNair d. 18th November 1951

Review

Though a victory there was no glimpse of a consistent recovery. McPhail was noted as failing to spark and was out-played by Rodgers. Fallon was said to be ‘brutal’ in the tackle. In contrast Boden was “…. merely vehement without being intimidatory.”

Celtic: Bell, Fallon, Rolls; Evans, Bowden, Baillie; Collins, Walsh, McPhail, Peacock, Tully.
Scorers: Walsh (9), Peacok (10), McPhail (58)

Airdrieonians:
Fraser; T Brown, Elliot; Cairns, Rodgers, Shankland; W Brown, McMillan, Quinn, Welsh, McCulloch.
Scorers: McMillan (67)

Referee: J Hosie (Johnstone)
Attendance: 20,000

In other news…

Birth: Jack Vettriano, Methil Scotland, Scottish painter (The Singing Butler)

40 years ago … 1981 and current high-flying West Ham manager was preparing for his Celtic debut… the 18 year old defender will line up against arch rivals Rangers in a league match on Saturday at Celtic Park. He will replace the injured Danny McGrain at Right Back … so no pressure then son…

1981-11-21: Celtic 3-3 Rangers, Celtic Park

Mike Conroy played in place of the injured Tommy Burns. Rangers gave a derby debut young striker Gordon Dalziel and both young men were to have a major influence on the proceedings.

Celtic started well and Peter McCloy made a great save from Dom Sullivan, low down at the right post. From the resultant corner Davie Moyes headed goalwards for Tom McAdam to glance a header into the net at the far post.

Two minutes later Gordon Dalziel equalised with a low header from six yards after Derek Johnstone had headed down a Cooper cross.

Celtic regained the lead in 10 minutes when Davie Provan sent Moyes keenly running down the right wing. From his deep cross Frank McGarvey rose to send a glorious header looping over McCloy.

To their credit Rangers fought back and sensationally took the lead with two goals in as many minutes.

Firstly, Dalziel took a pass from McDonald and jinked his way to the bye line before crossing for Bett to head home. Seconds later the Celtic defence got in a fankle and John McDonald’s effort barely crossed the line before Bonner, trying to scramble it clear, ended up in the net with the ball.

In 51 minutes MacLeod equalised with a glorious right foot volley, which went in off a post, after Moyes had headed on a Provan corner from the right.

Understandably both teams tired late in the game and there were no further goals allowing fans of both sides to draw breath.

Celtic:

Bonner Moyes Reid Aitken McAdam MacLeod Provan Sullivan McGarvey Conroy McCluskey Subs: Nicholas Weir

Goals: McAdam 3 McGarvey 10 MacLeod 51

Rangers:

McCloy Jardine Miller Stevens Jackson Bett Cooper Russell Johnstone Dalziel MacDonald Subs: Mackay Redford

Goals: Dalziel 5 Bett 20 MacDonald 21

Referee:

Attendance 48,600

Debut Bhoy David Moyes had a hand in two of Celtic goals…. and probably one Old Rangers…

21/11/81 PREMIER DIVISIONCELTIC V RANGERS (3-3)CELTIC PARK – GLASGOWMurdo MacLeod drills home Celtic’s third goal of the match.

Murdo adopts his 4-2 game pose … how many times did he rattle them? Colin Jackson is nowhere near it – maybe trying to avoid yet another O.G.

In other news…

Sarah Harding, British pop singer (Girls Aloud – “Sound of the Underground,” “Love Machine), born in Ascot, England (d. 2021)

#1 record Under Pressure (2wks) Queen & David Bowie.

General stuff:

1292 John Balliol becomes King of Scotland.

1558 Queen Mary I of England dies and is succeeded by her half-sister Elizabeth I of England .

1869 In Egypt, the Suez Canal, linking Med with the Red Sea, is inaugurated.

1950 UN Security Council Resolution 89 relating to the Palestine Question is adopted.

1953 The remaining human inhabitants of the Blasket Islands, Kerry, Ireland, are evacuated to the mainland.

1989 Cold War: Velvet Revolution begins: In Czechoslovakia a student demonstration in Prague is quelled by riot police. This sparks an uprising aimed at overthrowing the communist government (it succeeds on December 29).

2003 Actor Arnold Schwarzenegger tenure as the Governor of California began.

Note: The excellent Celtic Wiki site is the font of all knowledge on things Celtic. Most of the Celtic stuff above is from that site. The guys who set it up and painstakingly keep it updated, deserve no end of credit, praise and thanks. A treasure trove for Celtic fans young and old – and new- and free to view.

Respect Bhoys!

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/m/

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A thing of beauty

SES,
No time to read back before heading to the gym but you know I will read later.
Auldheid,
I wanted to comment that if you feel you cannot attend the AGM today because of your respect for Bertie then that will be the right decision. You don’t do anything without thinking it through and a bit of distance and time will do you good. You have to think of yourself sometimes.

ASWGL

Fantastic again SES, look forward to these.

Off to work on another dreicht wet miserable day in Glesga, how lucky we are 😜

Cosy Corner Bhoy

SenS: I think this fellow Rolls who keeps turning up at left back in the early fifties is actually Alex Rollo if the old brain is working. Another ‘ I was at that game’ memory for me! Keep them coming, I love them!
To ATOB they are news to me they are part of my past. Thanks again.

jimthetim53

Morning all & Packy.

SeS, great stuff! So the print media were making errors even way back in 1891. LOL 🙂 Although to be fair it didn’t contain Anti Celtic bias !.

Jobo Baldie

Thanks again, Saltires. Just spent a good wee while there reading about Jack Vettriano. No idea of his club allegiances but a Big Hoopy 70th birthday to him anyway 😉

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I hope our Pacific coast correspondents are ok,sounds like some storm.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/16/canada-fatalities-storm-pacific-north-west-washington

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SALTIRES

Not many Celts make their debut against the huns,but I think Peter Grant did the same the following year. I thought he was a mascot at first-until I saw him fly into a tackle!

Auldheid

Atob

Thanks. Apart from having a more important job to do there is little point pursuing accountability when resolutions democratically adopted by members of the Celtic Trust are hijacked by Trustees for reasons that do not stand scrutiny.

That will be taken up with The Trust.

When resistance to ending a farce (going for 55, same club , the abandonment of integrity etc, ) comes from your own side on whose behalf you thought you were fighting for, then it’s time to chuck AGMs as a route to accountability.

I’ll repeat my reasons for not attending I posted on previous in case asked how did it go.

In case anyone asks I’ve decided not to attend the AGM tomorrow because although it is the place to bring the Board to account, this week after the loss of a great Celt is not the time to introduce discord.

I would only have attended to speak to the resolution of concern CST members adopted in August, not the latest one where the Concern Res (Res11 ) has been conflated with the CST one (Res12) that seeks a Relationship Agreement with Dermot Desmond and if you read my blog in June on Directors Responsibilities , Shareholders rights and using Company Law to ensure balance at

https://sentinelcelts.com/2021/06/08/directors-responsibilities-and-remedies/ you will see why I support this Res as a step in the right direction of using company law.

This Herald article only quotes one Res (12) to be discussed https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/19720216.celtic-agm-will-discussed/?ref=erec and presents it as usual as trying to revive Res12 and Rangers breaches in 2011 instead of what the original Concern Res was about which was calling Celtic to account for their handling of Res12.

Too much skulldugging going on to stop the truth coming out and calling out at the AGM will create more heat than light.

However the light will shine after this sham has passed.

November 17, 2021 1:01 am

jimthetim53

YLiRV, I’m all for this blog being good for a wide range of topics, but I don’t think ‘where to buy lycra online’ fits in here.

The glorious balance sheet

What a lot of weasel worded mealy mouthed claptrap the club has just come out with regard to Resolution 11.

“Done all we could, can take no further. We regularly engage with fans via the forum.”

That reminds me of a workplace where I used to work where the management used to continually try to introduce shady practices and erode their staff’s terms and conditions. The Trade Union regularly fought back and handed them their backside on a plate on many, many occasions.

Management’s response was to try to circumvent and disenfranchise the Union by creating a “Staff Forum” to which only their favoured lickspittles were invited. The lickspittles were rewarded for services rendered.

Divide and rule.

Friesdorfer

TGBS
Spot on sadly.
HH

Friesdorfer

Absolutely shameful response from Bankier re potential appointment of Higgins. He needs to go ASAP.

HH

Bigrailroadblues

Andy, Bankier should not be anywhere near Glasgow Celtic. He’s a disgrace.

bada bing1

15 years since Desmond was at an AGM,he’s the biggest problem at the Club

jimthetim53

Just had a message from Big Packy,
Wee Joan’s mother is in hospital, very poorly. And Joan has just had an ultrasound scan. So things are tough for them at the moment and is the reason he is not posting. He asked me to let you know.

Very best wishes Packy.

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BIGPACKY

Good luck to everyone,mate.

Cosy Corner Bhoy

Big Packy: wish you and wee Joan and her mother all the best
Hope it all works out for you
KTF

Mahe

Big Packy, in our thoughts and prayers pal.

The AGM malarkey doesn’t surprise, they can keep showing their true colours, it will only make us more determined.

Higgins could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. No GB for the semi final?

Auldheid, probably the best decision. Let this play out, then pounce.

Hail Hail

Mahe

SES, as always an education Sir for I was unaware the leather belts had a player known as the Icicle, future quiz question.

A month of Cups,,,sounds like me and the mates before I emigrated 😉

Is that mansion gone now? Why?

Anyhows, cheers as usual pal.

Oh, happy Woden’s day y’all.

Mahe

AGM

Ach Gies Money

McCaff

Good luck to Wee Joan and her Mum. In my thoughts along with you Big Jim Packy!

SES…great look back in time today causing my own wee personal look back. I grew up on Drive Road, opposite the Elder Park and spent a lot of my youth in the park – fitba, rounders, tennis, putting, taddy fishing in the pond, robbing birds’ nests, rope swings on the trees, Best Man Falls into the sand pit, climbing up the sandstone walls of the Elder Park Library!! So many memories come flooding back.
Mahe…the mansion still exists in a very small part and has been gone for years – only the portico remains. Don’t ask why but the mansion always held a reverential quality for people, it was surrounded by a low chicken wire fence and you seldom saw anyone breaching the fence, as if it held an unspoken importance.
The Elder Park with its library and flower gardens, boating pond was bequeathed to the people by Lord and Lady Elder, busts of whom adorn the entrance to the Library. These were major employers in Govan as founders of Fairfields Shipyards, later Govan Shipbuilders, with an incredible history if you care to look it up, and were ahead of their time in many respects with regard to the care of their employees.

BOBBY
BC has sure been hit with bad weather rain in some places yver 200ml,winds ,mud slides coming down mountains ,people trapped and most have been rescued.I think one dead and a few missing it’s sad to see all the people homeless……….a disaster.
SES
Great history lesson…….thank you

BP
All the best to your wife and her mom.

One of the problems with our board…………no Celtic men………..and if there is ….no guts.

jimthetim53

Mahe, what’s the Higgins story?

Friesdorfer

BP
Best wishes for Joan and her Mum 🙏🤞💚
YNWA HH

Friesdorfer

What did he say re Higgins?
] Said he was not going to comment on any prospective appointments, and specifically did not acknowledge the very strong concerns robustly expressed.

Noel Skytrot

I’m surmising that those who lack in the corridors of Celtic Park are still allowed to engage in their gross incompetence under the guise of running a football club?

Auldheid, your action shows you have more dignity and integrity on the tip of your pinky than that whole motley crew have combined.

Big Packy, I hope your family are okay.

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NOELSKYTROT

Agreed. AULDHEID made the correct decision to steer well clear today. His napper would have been exploding!

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Ian Bankier and Brian Wilson both denied automatic reelection to the board. Will go to a count,which I assume they will win. But at least it’s a start.

Big Packy
Thoughts and prayers with you, wee Joan and her mum. Hope all goes well for all of you

jimthetim53

I hope Bankier goes, can’t stand him as a Chairman of Celtic. But I will say one thing. At least he was present to face the wrath of the support.
Unlike one huge shareholder who either hasn’t got the balls, has little interest, or is just a greedy, money loving egoist.

Mahe

Jim,
The GB announced it’s him or them.
Board sat on fence today, but given they won’t be seen being dictated to by fans, most think he gets the job and the shit show/clash begins.
About time too.
Hail Hail

jimthetim53

Cheers Mahe.

Billy Bhoy

JTT

I totally agree with you on Bankier. I’ve just watched the pre-AGM video the club has put out.

What a stunningly unimpressive individual he is. An absolute chinless wonder. He struggles to put together a coherent…. Ah….um…..er……thingmy. and you actually worry that he’s just going to stop talking as he’s forgotten where he was going.

It’s good to hear that he got his arse kicked today.

bada bing1

The Celtic players will all wear No 10 on their shorts on Saturday, as a tribute to Bertie Auld

Craig76

Big Packy
All the best to Wee Joan and her mum
Take care bud 🙏

Saltires en sevilla
Another great read today 👍

fan

Bankier is only a tiny part of the problem.
He gets paid the money to take the hits for our main shareholder.
All sleazy corporations have shields from the real issue.

Listening to 590 the fan this morning, commentator called the ref. “corrupt” in last nights Canada v Mexico game

jimthetim53

‘Corrupt referees’? Perish the thought.!

Thank goodness we have the SFA.

craig76
jimthetim53

Celtic ordinary shares closed at 95p today. Which is very very low. Maybe the Board are recognised for the incompetent buffoons that they are on the stock exchange?

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Big Packy

My thoughts and prayers are with you and yours.

Saltires

An epic and enjoyable read as always. You raise an interesting point about cup games having primacy over League games. I would argue that this was indeed the case until 1955. Until this point, The Scottish Cup was looked upon as the premier trophy by fans and clubs alike. So what happened in 1955? I’ll come to that in a moment, but first we must address the events of 13th December 1954 at Molinea, the home of Wolverhampton Wanderers. Wolves, the champions of England, were playing Honved, the champions of Hungary. The Honved team contained seven members of the Hungarian national team, which had beaten England home and away by the scores of 6-3 and 7-1, the latter game being the English team’s first ever defeat at Wembley…outside the ‘Home Internationals’, of course.

It is fair to say, that most people in England were expecting a heavy defeat, so when Wolves won 2-0 on the night, the English sports hacks went into overdrive. In their usual ‘hiding their light under a bushel’ manner, they loudly proclaimed that Wolverhampton Wanderers were the “Champions of the World”.

To say that this jingoism did not go down too well across the continent, is a bit of an understatement. The French Sports hacks in particular, were absolutely livid. And so it came to pass, that journalists from sports newspaper L’equipe, suggested an annual tournament among the winners of the various European leagues, to determine the “Champions of Europe”, never mind the world.

And so it came to pass, that the European Cup came into being in season 1955-56. This caught the imagination of fans all across Europe, less so in England, where the stuffy old men of The FA, regarded the new tournament with their customary haughty disdain.

Scotland’s representatives in that very first tournament were Hibernian, who did the country proud by reaching the semi-final, losing out to eventual winners, Real Madrid. Real went on to make this trophy their very own, culminating in arguably the most famous final, played at Hampden Park in 1960. The score: Real Madrid 7 Eintracht Frankfurt 3.

It is only fair to mention that Eintracht Frankfurt had absolutely battered our old rivals Glasgow Rangers in the semi-final.The aggregate score over 2 legs?
Eintracht Frankfurt 12 Rangers 4.

The semi-final result was a dreadful shock for supporters of the Glasgow team, who considered it a divine right that their club should win this tournament. They simply could not understand why those foreign refs did not give them all the dodgy calls that they regularly received from Scottish refs. I am happy to report that the situation is so much better today. Aye, right. The obsession with winning this tournament increased tenfold after 1967, when Glasgow rivals Celtic conquered Europe.

It is worth mentioning, that only the champions of their respective leagues, were eligible to compete in the European Cup…and from 1956 onwards, the winners of the previous year’s final. It was at this point that the winning of the League title became the main obsession for supporters of the top clubs in Scotland.

From the very first tournament in 1956, EUFA representatives kept a watchful eye on the tournament, but did not get too directly involved. The clubs themselves basically ran the tournament.

This all changed in the 1966-67 season. During the World Cup in England in 1966, EUFA formally took control of the European Cup. To this end, a brand new trophy was to be competed for in the 1966-67 campaign.

On the podium of the Estadio National, Estoril, Celtic captain Billy McNeill proudly raised aloft the new trophy, as Glasgow Celtic were proclaimed:

Champions of Europe.

The repercussions of this victory are being felt to this day. Celtic fans not yet born in 1967, get all misty-eyed when discussing every intricate detail of that wonderful day, while across at Ibrox, David Murray EBT, caused the liquidation of the original Ibrox club in 2012, by trying to match the achievement of Celtic FC.

Did I say earlier on that the 1960 final was arguably the greatest European Cup Final of all time? Nah, it is, and always will be the 1967 European Cup Final which is the best of all time.

Most of the information contained in this post is courtesy of Pat Woods and David Frier, and their excellent book: We’ll Always Have Lisbon.

Hail Hail.

jimthetim53

Magua, My da was at that game in 1960! Hampden.

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JIMTHETIM53,MAGUA

About six months ago when we met GARRY in Clydebank,there were about ten of us present. Three of whom attended the 1960 final!

jimthetim53

Bobby, I didn’t realise ATOB was that old! She comes across as much younger. 🙂

JTT

Both my dad and my older brother were at Hampden that night.

BMCUW

That is amazing. I know that the attendance that night was given as 127,000, but I would imagine that there were plenty of double-shuffles and lift-overs going on.

Hail Hail.

jimthetim53

Couldn’t believe it when Auldheid posted a link to a tune a few nights ago. The Moody Blues! (from my era).
I love it.
Very appropriate today. No More Lies.

jimthetim53

Another new song to me I discovered recently. It was on ‘Desert Island Discs’ – I know – I’m a pensioner!
I love this one too.
Mumford & Sons.

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