If you know your history – 17th November

130 years ago … 1891 and our favourites are in the middle of an entire month of Cup Ties (plus a friendly match) … no league championship games played that November.

On Saturday 14th of November Celts played out a 2-2 ‘friendly’ draw with Kilmarnock before an “immense crowd” although the actual attendance and teams are not recorded.

We know Celtic had been sitting joint second in the league championship behind Hearts with Three (3) games ‘ in hand’ – it would have made more sense to catch up on missing games. Or so we think nowadays, given the primacy of the Championship.

However, there is a sense that Cup matches still took precedence in the period.

The following Saturday we are playing a Glasgow Cup Semi-Final at Celtic Park.

1891-11-21: Celtic 9-2 Linthouse, Glasgow Cup Semi-Final

An interesting fact from this game. The Scotsman match report has a significant error showing Duff playing in goals, but we already know that Duff has been recovering from a serious cold ‘soaking’ at a game in October, and had not returned to the team. With Kelly of Hibs deputising in league games . The ever vigilant Celticwiki has recorded that the goalkeeper in this game was actually Mick Dolan who holds the honour as Celts’ first ever goalkeeper ( Celtic v Rangers 5-2 friendly 28th May 1888)

Celticwiki:

“……,Of the three league games he played for Celtic, all were in April and May 1891, Celtic winning all three convincingly, 5-0 v Cowlairs, 9-1 v Vale of Leven and 2-0 v Abercorn. He played v Northern and v Linthouse the next season too, all sides now gone and off the senior football map.

His brother, Francis Dolan, also played for Celtic from 1890 until 1894.

Mick Dolan did not retain his first team place for long and for most of his time at Parkhead, Mick Dolan was a reserve, but together with his brother Frank Dolan, he was part of the reserves they were in the Celtic Crusaders side that beat St Mirren Strollers 13-1 in the final of the Reserve XI Cup on 21 Feb 1891.

Tom Maley spoke fondly of him:

“He was a goalkeeper of considerable ability, and though he never quite filled the official eye, he was always considered a very good man, and held in high esteem and much respected by all with whom he came in contact at the old enclosure. He was in those faraway days an enthusiastic Celt, and though the years come between, I am pretty certain that enthusiasm never waned.”

Mick Dolan – Celtic’s first goalkeeper.

The Scotsman – Monday, 23rd November 1891, page 5

Celtic v Linthouse – At Parkhead. The Celts were without Dowds and Maley. Twice in succession the Celts scored. McCallum scored a third after half an hour’s play. Linthouse made capital efforts to beat Duff ( error: it was Mick Dolan), and were ultimately successful, Steel and Hurry scoring in succession. McMahon scored a fourth for the Celts. Half-time result:- Celtic, seven goals; Linthouse, two goals. Continuing to play in great form, the Celts opened the second portion by scoring another point, McMahon being responsible. The Celts had all the game. Result :- Celtic, nine goals; Linthouse, two goals.

Celtic:- Dolan, Reynolds, Doyle, Gallagher (sic), Kelly, Kyle, McCallum, Brady, Madden, McMahon, Campbell.

Goals:- Madden, McMahon, McCallum, McMahon, Brady, McCallum, Madden, McMahon, Unknown

Linthouse:-
Leslie, Cameron, Bryson, H Smith, T Steele, Lang, J Steel, J Smith, Henderson, Hurry, Barker.

Goals:- Smith, Hurry.

Att:- 1,500.

In other news…

Linthouse FC (1881-1900) were founded near Govan and played at Langland’s Park before moving to Govandale Park, Govan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Govandale_Park#/map/0

Linthouse FC 1881 – 1900

The Linthouse Estate 1869-1915 was owned by Alexander Stephen and Sons Ltd. shipbuilders to The Royal Navy.

The Russian famine 1891/92 began along the Volga

On November 17, 1891, the government asked the people to form voluntary anti-famine organisations. Leo Tolstoy the most famous volunteer, blamed the Tsar and the Orthodox Church for the famine. As a result of this, the Orthodox Church excommunicated Tolstoy and forbade citizens from accepting help from his relief organisation.

Leo Tolstoy ( b.1828- d.1910) & Anton Chekov (b.1860 -d.1904)

70 years ago… 1951 on this day we are playing The Diamonds at Celtic Park,

1951-11-17: Celtic 3-1 Airdrieonians, League Division A

Bertie Peacock was back fit and McAlindon dropped out.
Game kick off time was 2:50 and entrance prices were 5/- for the stand, 2s 3d for the Enclosure and 1s 6 for the Ground and boys were 7d (all including tax!). These prices were similar for all clubs.
The death was announced of former Celt Alec McNair. Willie Maley said of him, “he was a treasure and a gentleman in every sense of the word. In 20 years of service I had never once to alter my first impression of him. Alec was the coolest and most thoughtful player I have seen.

Alec ‘The Icicle’

McNair d. 18th November 1951

Review

Though a victory there was no glimpse of a consistent recovery. McPhail was noted as failing to spark and was out-played by Rodgers. Fallon was said to be ‘brutal’ in the tackle. In contrast Boden was “…. merely vehement without being intimidatory.”

Celtic: Bell, Fallon, Rolls; Evans, Bowden, Baillie; Collins, Walsh, McPhail, Peacock, Tully.
Scorers: Walsh (9), Peacok (10), McPhail (58)

Airdrieonians:
Fraser; T Brown, Elliot; Cairns, Rodgers, Shankland; W Brown, McMillan, Quinn, Welsh, McCulloch.
Scorers: McMillan (67)

Referee: J Hosie (Johnstone)
Attendance: 20,000

In other news…

Birth: Jack Vettriano, Methil Scotland, Scottish painter (The Singing Butler)

40 years ago … 1981 and current high-flying West Ham manager was preparing for his Celtic debut… the 18 year old defender will line up against arch rivals Rangers in a league match on Saturday at Celtic Park. He will replace the injured Danny McGrain at Right Back … so no pressure then son…

1981-11-21: Celtic 3-3 Rangers, Celtic Park

Mike Conroy played in place of the injured Tommy Burns. Rangers gave a derby debut young striker Gordon Dalziel and both young men were to have a major influence on the proceedings.

Celtic started well and Peter McCloy made a great save from Dom Sullivan, low down at the right post. From the resultant corner Davie Moyes headed goalwards for Tom McAdam to glance a header into the net at the far post.

Two minutes later Gordon Dalziel equalised with a low header from six yards after Derek Johnstone had headed down a Cooper cross.

Celtic regained the lead in 10 minutes when Davie Provan sent Moyes keenly running down the right wing. From his deep cross Frank McGarvey rose to send a glorious header looping over McCloy.

To their credit Rangers fought back and sensationally took the lead with two goals in as many minutes.

Firstly, Dalziel took a pass from McDonald and jinked his way to the bye line before crossing for Bett to head home. Seconds later the Celtic defence got in a fankle and John McDonald’s effort barely crossed the line before Bonner, trying to scramble it clear, ended up in the net with the ball.

In 51 minutes MacLeod equalised with a glorious right foot volley, which went in off a post, after Moyes had headed on a Provan corner from the right.

Understandably both teams tired late in the game and there were no further goals allowing fans of both sides to draw breath.

Celtic:

Bonner Moyes Reid Aitken McAdam MacLeod Provan Sullivan McGarvey Conroy McCluskey Subs: Nicholas Weir

Goals: McAdam 3 McGarvey 10 MacLeod 51

Rangers:

McCloy Jardine Miller Stevens Jackson Bett Cooper Russell Johnstone Dalziel MacDonald Subs: Mackay Redford

Goals: Dalziel 5 Bett 20 MacDonald 21

Referee:

Attendance 48,600

Debut Bhoy David Moyes had a hand in two of Celtic goals…. and probably one Old Rangers…

21/11/81 PREMIER DIVISIONCELTIC V RANGERS (3-3)CELTIC PARK – GLASGOWMurdo MacLeod drills home Celtic’s third goal of the match.

Murdo adopts his 4-2 game pose … how many times did he rattle them? Colin Jackson is nowhere near it – maybe trying to avoid yet another O.G.

In other news…

Sarah Harding, British pop singer (Girls Aloud – “Sound of the Underground,” “Love Machine), born in Ascot, England (d. 2021)

#1 record Under Pressure (2wks) Queen & David Bowie.

General stuff:

1292 John Balliol becomes King of Scotland.

1558 Queen Mary I of England dies and is succeeded by her half-sister Elizabeth I of England .

1869 In Egypt, the Suez Canal, linking Med with the Red Sea, is inaugurated.

1950 UN Security Council Resolution 89 relating to the Palestine Question is adopted.

1953 The remaining human inhabitants of the Blasket Islands, Kerry, Ireland, are evacuated to the mainland.

1989 Cold War: Velvet Revolution begins: In Czechoslovakia a student demonstration in Prague is quelled by riot police. This sparks an uprising aimed at overthrowing the communist government (it succeeds on December 29).

2003 Actor Arnold Schwarzenegger tenure as the Governor of California began.

Note: The excellent Celtic Wiki site is the font of all knowledge on things Celtic. Most of the Celtic stuff above is from that site. The guys who set it up and painstakingly keep it updated, deserve no end of credit, praise and thanks. A treasure trove for Celtic fans young and old – and new- and free to view.

Respect Bhoys!

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/m/

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jimthetim53

I miss Packy.

A thing of beauty

Paddy’s maw and myself attended our first AGM today. What an absolute stitch up. Now everyone knows that the support/shareholders have no say due to the block vote but honestly the ineptitude of this mob beggars belief. Bankier and Wilson were not re elected on a show of hands. This was an overwhelming no. In my opinion though Paddy’s maw thought different Tom Allison should also not have been automatically re elected. I thought it was marginally against and certainly warranted another count but Bankier pushed on. Allison then introduced the resolution to re elect Bankier. I say introduced it but he was so inept he just mumbled and stumbled his way through it AMA was helped out by someone else (I think Chris McKay) at the end. Honestly, why we are stuck with this mob of foosty old men is beyond me. How Bankier can actually remain in post after being called out the way he was today is incredible to me. He was asked about what he did to stick up for the club after the SNP treated us and Aberdeen in a totally different manner than any other company had been when an employee Committed an offence. He said he couldn’t take on the government. When asked what he does to protect Celtics interests in regard to the SFA, he said he doesn’t run the SFA but we do make representations. This was laughed at by the shareholders.
The appointment of Higgins, in my opinion is a certainty now. There was clear and loud dissent from the floor and it was treated with contempt. There is now going to be a civil war within the club which will impact on our chances of winning the league and Bankier will not care. Desmond and Lawwell tell him what to do and that’s why he’s still there.
His coup de grace though was to finish the meeting by telling us all “we had given it a right good lash today” and send us on our merry way. I was waiting for him to tell us to just behave ourselves and maybe offer us some stale bread on the way out the door.

BP,
Things are tough for you and yours just now but stay strong pal.

Just been catching up on events at the AGM. Good to see Bankier and Wilson getting pelters.
So Bankier admits that the board are ‘concerned’ about referees in Scotland. So concerned in fact, that the board have not uttered one word of condemnation of these swines. I think we’ll find that Bankers ‘concern’ stems from the fact, that proof will emerge that the PLC members have been collaborating with The Huns, The SFA and the refereeing dept. of the SFA for years. Very ‘concerning’, I’m sure.

So the dozy little twonks in the Green Brigade, are up to their “everything is about us” tricks again. Well boo hoo.

A win-win situation for me, would be if the board resigned en masse, and took their GB pals with them.

ASWGL

Another wonderful background, good sir.

Hail Hail

ATOB

The first-and last-AGM which I attended, was in November 1997, or thereabouts. When Fergus and Jock Brown walked into the room, they were greeted by a chorus of boos, that had to be heard to be believed. There was still a lot of anger over the events of the previous summer. Brown was being called a feckin’ Bluenose bastard…and much more besides. There were Tims being ejected right, left and centre. Most did not go quietly.

A fella beside me, who happened to hold quite a few shares in IBM, turned to me and said:
“FFS, IBM AGM’s were nothing like this.”

The real fun however, started during the Q & A. Basically, if you had a point to make, you stepped up to the microphone, and made your point, which was answered by either Fergus or Brown. Here’s the thing though. If Fergus did not like the point which you were trying to make, he simply switched off the microphone. Democracy in action I guess. It was at this point that the crowed turned on Fergus, an Fergus, being Fergus was going friggin’ tonto. At this, many of us collapsed into gales of laughter, which did not improve the situation.

I would imagine that today’s EGM, was quite tame in comparison.

Hail Hail.

Ah Magua, the phantom 6.20 post appears 😉

Cracking post, hope you enjoyed your tea.

Brian

Craig76

JTT53
I Reckon you will enjoy the programme on stv at the moment

Noel Skytrot

ATOB,
thanks for the run down of what occurred today with the cowards who run the club. Again, the only time that these bastards will sit up and take notice is when capital is withdrawn by the supporters which is unlikely to happen en masse. Simply put, we’re fecked.

BelmontBrian63

Would that it were, mucker. I had to re-do the whole feckin’ post. My phone of was getting called everything under the sun, cos of course, it can’t possibly be my fault, can it? 😀

Hail Hail.

A thing of beauty

Magua,
You’re right. Today’s was take by comparison!!
Noel Skytrot,
Agree we are not going to get change and the board will remain as they are until such time as Dermot Desmond wants change. I’ll say one thing for Bankier, he’s got cajones because he showed it today by remaining in post when he knows he is loathed. If only he showed similar fortitude when representing our club.

Paddy’s Maw

Big Packy
Thoughts with you and Joan

Billy Bhoy

FFS man, you’re even worse that me, when it comes to Bankier.

I hope that I never make it on to your hit-list. 😀

Hail Hail.

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MAGUA

I don’t know any Celtic fans with a good opinion of Bankier. Or his shite whisky.

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Btw,if a post disappears into the ether,mail me and I will check if it is caught in the filters. MAGUA’s 620 one wasn’t,I just checked,but some of them do end up there.

We tend to get about 2000 comments a month caught up,so you can understand why there are restrictions!

Bada Bing

A Scottish couple took in an 18-year-old girl as a lodger.
She asked if she could have a bath, but the woman of the house told her they didn’t have a bath, although if she wanted to, she could use a tin bath in front of the fire.
“Monday’s the best night, when my husband goes out to darts,” she said.
The girl agreed to have a bath the following Monday.
After her husband had gone to the pub for his darts match, the woman filled the bath and watched the girl get undressed.
She was surprised to see that the lass didn’t have any p”””c hair.
She mentioned this to her husband when he came home.
He didn’t believe her, so she said: “Next Monday, when you go to darts, leave a little early and wait in the back garden.
I’ll leave a gap in the curtains so you can see for yourself.”
So the following Monday, while the girl again got undressed, the wife asked: “Do you shave?” “No,” replied the girl. “I’ve just never grown any hair down there. Do you have hair?”
“Oh, yes,” said the woman, and she pulled up her nightdress and showed the girl that she was really generously endowed in the hair department.
The girl finished her bath and went to bed.
Later that night, when the husband came in, the wife asked him, “Did you see it?” “Yes,” he said, “but why the hell did you have to show her yours.”
“Why ever are you worried about that?” she said. “You’ve seen it often enough before.”
“I know,” he said…. “but the bloody darts team hadn’t!

Apologies ….😜

Magua, I’m surprised that with your expertise in all things technology, you were unable to retrieve your original post (or nearly post) :0
Just to confirm, Martin is available for selection.

Brian

Bada Bing

The actual principle of Celtic Board members, being questioned on Sevco FC for 11 years ,says it all.

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Big bad BADABING!

Prestonpans bhoys

ATOB
‘for Bankier, he’s got cajones because he showed it today by remaining in post when he knows he is loathed’

Or for a guy getting £64k for seven board meetings he knows where his bread is buttered. If I was on that salary for that board attendance, they could call me a fud all day😱

I wish Ali was at todays AGM 🙂
This is for the pugilists.

https://youtu.be/v_YYnJ7-YlQ

Brian

Prestonpans bhoys

This Stockport game on BBC two is worth a watch, ET and 4:3 up

Noel Skytrot

ATOB,
he’s on a right few quid with his ‘role’ at the club and people like him will say anything or do anything to retain this. Its all about the roubles for these parasites.

Apparently this was the basis of the Rocky movies, if you have time check out Chuck Wepner’s boxing history.
https://youtu.be/MLuWgzueZr0
rian

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BELMONTBRIAN

Quarry was probably the worst coached,worst managed of any contender. His Dad was pretty much in control of his career,and he only taught him how to fight,not how to box.

It led to a sad end,unfortunately.

BelmontBrian63

As a special treat, in late ’74, I was allowed to stay up late, to watch the famous “Rumble in the Jungle” live. Most of the planet tuned into this epic battle. When Ali’s famous ‘rope a dope’ trick paid dividends in the 8th round, me and the old man we’re dancing round the living-room in celebration.

It is no exaggeration to say, that we celebrated nearly as much as fans of the Newco Huns, when they became the envy of European football by winning the highly-prized Ramsden’s Cup.

Glad to see that the big fella has passed a late fitness test.

Hail Hail.

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BELMONTBRIAN

Some dirty boxing in that fight!

BMCUWP, Magua,
Thanks for the response,
Bobby, do you sleep 😉
HH

Billy Bhoy

Magua

You’ve got nothing to worry about pal!

😉

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BELMONTBRIAN

Very much so! But when I have an article to post,I usually do it around midnight-so yer stuck with me for a bit yet.

Prestonpans bhoys

Stockport 5 Bolton 3 cup football at its best. Had to google where Stockport was, thought it was a seaside town😂

Apart from the lake district my geography of England is shite😱😵

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PRESTONPANBHOY

How to mess with a scouser’s head. Ask him which football ground is closest to River Mersey. Answer is Edgely Park in Stockport.

I always wondered why they were called County,btw. Something to do with it becoming a borough of the metropolitan county of Manchester,I think. Away to google it now!

Friesdorfer

ATOB
Good summary of the AGM… Sorry to have missed you.
HH

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Also in that neck of the woods,when I lived in Sutton,South London,one of my fellow lorry drivers aske me if I knew where Middlewich was,as he had a delivery there.

My gast was flabbered,so I asked him if he knew where Northwich was. Yes,he replied. Well,it not as f…..g far north as Northwich,just look out for the road signs after J18.

jimthetim53

Bobby, LOL 🙂

Saltires en Sevilla

BP all yer pals are rooting for you. Stay strong buddy!

HH

Bobby, I remember you recently posted regarding the coaching of Gerry Quarry, IMHO, even with the best boxing coach was at best limited.
Mr Fury looks like the best ‘Great White Hope’
Personally, I could not give a F, of their skin colour.

Nite all, ma cot calls (actually Mrs B calls :))

Brian

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FRIESDORFER

I didn’t think my sisters were going to have access,or I would have put you all in touch. I think from ATHINGOFBEAUTY’s description of events-and yours-that there might have been a few cats getting kicked tonight. Fortunately,neither of my sisters actually owns a cat. Though I’m thinking of getting them a dartboard for Christmas,with a free photo of the board.

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Craig76

That was some video of the CSC and club buses etc. I recognised a few rogues including on that Uni bus … fond memories indeed thanks

Magua I’m struggling to keep up with some of the gems being unearthed – veritable treasure troves out there waiting

HH

Billy Bhoy

Phew. Thank feck for that.

BMCUW

In all honesty, it was a 3/4 finished post that disappeared when I hit a wrong bit of my phone, and I was thrown off SC. When I returned, the post was gone. In point of fact, I do appear to have anger-management issues with new technology. Does the following sound familiar?

Self-service checkout: “Place your item in the bagging area.”

Me: “It’s in the feckin’ bagging area”.

Now you think that you have mumbled this quietly to yourself, but you have old dears next to you tut, tutting.

Hail Hail.

Saltires en Sevilla

Was out and about today on personal business

A few messages on AGM and voting etc… my responses were along the lines of

” … it’s a fix… nothing will change at an AGM run and managed by these bastards…”

When we stop trying to play by their rules we have a chance

Until then… we are going to have to suck it right up

Sorry about that, but I’m not in a great mood ATM; but fortunately it’s nothing serious to worry about btw.

Saltires en Sevilla

CCB – aye Alex Rollo … well spotted… I’ll watch out for future spellings buddy

HH

Prestonpans bhoys

Bobby
I remember travelling down to see my niece in Manchester and followed my Satmap religiously. Took me to a place called Wirral, wife said where are we, fook knows was the reply, that thing needs new batteries😱

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MAGUA

That’s nothing-I can break computers just by talking to someone hundreds of miles away.

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McCaff thanks for info. On Linthouse Mansion and park etc. Very helpful

It seems Linthouse was a separate Parish from Govan until around 1902 then combined with Govan Burgh … then shortly later both into Glasgow around First War.

Local Bhoys will tell us more details … loads of Tims out there and some of the best!

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Magua -lol at the carrier bags thing –

You know they have technology to weigh what you are buying?

E.G. Stick 7 well- fired rolls in the bag and press 6…. it fekin KNOWS!!!

Not that I’ve ever tried that …. mainly because I can never find 7 weel-fired rolls anywhere 😇

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PRESTONPANSBHOY

A few years ago,one of my colleagues was covering my Wednesday night trip to Southampton via Oxford,Marlborough,etc. He phoned me up,M3/M27/M271 closed off. And when he turned off the motorway,his satnav kept taking him back to the closed motorways!

Bugger me,what a surprise,as his satnav didn’t know the roads were shut…

I told him to turn it off,head for the docks and then west until he hit the M271 from the other side. This is a guy,btw,who opened his door to reverse. Beats me,that.

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Bobby

I’ll bet he turns the radio down too

Opening the door was a thing back when there were no wing mirrors

I know this from old Flintstone cartoons 😁

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ASWGL

Thanks buddy – I suspect you have more than a little ‘hand’ in configuring the layout. Someone is definitely sprinkling the magic dust on it after it leaves my inbox

Great teamwork buddy and very much appreciated.

HH

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ASWGL

Forgot to say …. another fabulous background … wonderful!

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SALTIRES

ASWGL is our Master of the Arts,wholly responsible for all the backgrounds. An absolute star,and we are suitably grateful.

Saltires

If your looking for well-fired rolls, here’s a wee recommendation. Watson’s bakery, Shaw St, just off the Govan road. Best ever. As are their Scotch pies. As an added bonus, good Tim shop, the Old Govan Arms is located at the corner of Shaw St/ Govan Road.

Hail Hail.