Serendipity

Morning,all.

I know you all appreciate the effort that we put in to writing the articles on here,and we certainly appreciate your own contribution. I can’t speak for MAHE,but I tend to dredge up a topic-usually Celtic-related,obviously!-and take it from there. While I try to fact-check as much as I can,I certainly don’t do anywhere near the amount of research for an article that SALTIRES does.

No doubt he will give us all an other example of what I mean tomorrow,and the 91-92 season is building up a head of steam on here!

Thanks,mate. You know how much we appreciate this,and I hope that is enough to keep you fingertapping away.

But yesterday gave us an example of serendipity,but you’ll need to bear with me for a bit!!!

For my plan for today’s article was to divert us away from Celtic for a brief moment,based on an article I read last week. Although there is a connection to the club-and obviously NOT in a good way!-it is about how quickly times change,how yesterday’s hit-maker finds himself in the bargain buckets.

Is there anyone in any doubt that for the first decade and more of this century that Jose Mourinho was one of the top coaches in the world? It would surely be difficult to argue that,given his achievements.

Of course,as Celtic supporters,we have our own reasons for our contempt. His playing up our physicality before Seville,aided by his fluent Spanish which got the local press onside and which may have been fed back to a Slovakian referee who was clearly influenced one way or another on the night.

Regardless,we all know,we all saw it. We were gamed out of it by eleven players and a manager clearly furious at being a couple of months late for the Oscar ceremony. So,NO,I won’t forgive that-but I’m talking about him as a manager.

As a manager,he has won more trophies than Billy McNeill did as a player. That takes some doing. After Seville,he took Porto to European Champions,then won Chelsea their first title in FIFTY years. Won the CL to complete the treble at Inter Milan,and even at Real Madrid,up against the best side I have ever seen-the Guardiola Barcelona-took the title there too.

And then came back to Chelsea to win the league again!

So is this a hagiography about a guy we are none too fond of,Mick?

You might ask,but it isn’t. He hasn’t lasted in a job for more than three years,and as his ego has ballooned,so his reputation-and length of tenure-has shrunk. Only his ego could have persuaded him to take on the job at Man Utd when he did,and the carcrash that resulted should have made him consider chucking it. And surely no-one needs the money that much that they consider working with Daniel Levy!

So off he jolly well trots to Roma,where the sun-drenched superstars jolly well trotted off to play some reindeer herders in The Arctic Circle. So well did this top boss do his homework that he sent his B-team. So far has this maestro fallen that he blamed THEM,fully and publicly,for a shocking 6-1 defeat!

Mourinho in his heyday would never have done that,the trick for him was to shield his players so that they ran through brick walls for him. Few would even run through a fire escape for him now.

And it is little more than he deserves,because over the years he has become louder as his achievements become muted. (Shrugs shoulders,and moves on…)

The connection here of course,the serendipity,is that we have been drawn against those very reindeer hunters-and I promise that the description is not my opinion of a clearly very talented side,but how I think Mourinho viewed them!-and in around ten weeks,we have to head to The Arctic Circle. We don’t have a tremendous record on artificial surfaces,and like most of us I think they should be banned.

But I think there is some slack to be cut here. It is difficult to grow grass there,and I recall us about 50 years ago playing in The European Cup in Cyprus on what was effectively a beach,because grass burnt away in their summers. It might well be one of the smallest stadia we have ever played in at this stage in Europe,but I’m not sure how many of us would want to be there anyway.

But the important question hasn’t yet come up!

Can we win it?

Well,I just told you that they beat Roma 6-1. But they are on a winter break,so no football,no match fitness. We will be a month back from ours,fit,refreshed and up for it.

We have every chance of winning,and also of winning a European trophy in front of a national President who will probably turn up in his Celtic strip. I’ll betcha our own chairman has never owned one.

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Above article by BMCUWP

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big packy

ASWGL, cheers pal👍

big packy

JIM, you know that little medal of the sacred heart that magua sent me and the picture, at the bottom of the picture it says, Odi te the rainjurs, think its latin for something, can you help.

jimthetim53

Yes Packy, translated “I hate the ranjurs”. I think he might have said it in the final book of the bible. Revelations.
MIT is the expert in these things.

jimthetim53

ASWGL, smashing new background. What a T-shirt!

big packy

JIM, thanks for clearing that up, I should have known it myself, I remember when we said mass in latin, thats how old I am😎

ASWGL

“Odi te the rainjurs”, probably means Penalty tae the bluenoses.

Jimthetim53 👍

Big Packy/JTT

Yes indeed. Utd. beat us in the two league games by the same 3-2 score on each occasion.

BMCUW

Apologies. I thought it was our trans-Atlantic friend’s leader.

Two out of 3 ain’t bad. Only one to go. Wee clue. It was a friendly game played in January of 1967. Big Stein organised the game as we had drawn Vojvodina in the European Cup.

As it looks as if both Jamesey and MJ will be absent from tomorrow’s line up, I would love it if Ange played Scales on the left wing, with GT at LB. Surely after Saturday, we must start either Henderson or Moffat as CF.

Kyogo will obviously be wanting to play in the LC Final. This is only natural, after all. If there is any doubt about his fitness, Ange should not take the gamble.

ASWGL

Nice one. Some lucky people obviously have too much time on their hands. 😀

JTT

Now see here my good man, the final book of the Bible is ‘Apocalypse’. None of yer new-fangled ‘Revalations’ nonsense. Say one Our Father and sing 3 choruses of The Celtic Song and Father Packy will forgive you. 😀

Hail Hail.

jimthetim53

ASWGL, now that you mention it, I can just imagine Madhun or Beaton saying that!

jimthetim53

The Book of Revelation – also called the Apocalypse of John, Revelation to John or Revelation from Jesus Christ – is the final book of the New Testament and consequently is also the final book of the Christian Bible. Its title is derived from the first word of the Koine Greek text: apokalypsis, meaning “unveiling” or “revelation”. The Book of Revelation is the only apocalyptic book in the New Testament canon.[a] It occupies a central place in Christian eschatology.
(Wiki)
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So we’re both right! LOL 🙂

big packy

MAGUA, nice to see you posting, cant thank you enough for what you did for wee joan 👍when I come home the drinks are on me, mind you ill be using jims credit card, but dont tell him😎 😎

ASWGL

Aye jim I thought that T-shirt was a thing of beauty when i first seen it.

Saltires en Sevilla

ASWGL

That is some background – very snazzy.

Magua is getting me that for my Christmas stocking

Another true story…

big packy

ASWGL, as SALTIRES has just said brilliant background., you former st augustines pupils know the score, hey wait a minute im one of them,,another true story,😎

JTT

I can live with that. 😀

I have always been puzzled why Latin became the language of the Universal Church, rather than Greek. Greek would at least have been understood by most people within the Roman Empire. A Lingua Franca, if you will. I believe it was the language of trade and commerce at the time. Wheras Latin was the language of the elite. That is my poor understanding of the issue. Given that Paul and Barnabas were evangelising among the poor and oppressed within the Empire, particularly in Asia Minor, this seems strange. I would also think that Peter and others who were evangelising closer to home, did so using Aramaic.

Big Packy

It would indeed be nice to meet up for a wee snifter one day. We can max oot Jim’s credit card. 😀

ASWGL

For some strange reason, I am now able to view the brilliant background on my Android phone. Till about 10 minutes ago, my background was a brilliant shade of Emerald Green. A helluva sight better that it was, a few weeks back. A not so brilliant background of Royal Blue. Methinks someone at my service provider was at the wind up.

Hail Hail.

Saltires

You better believe it. 😀

Hail Hail.

Mike in Toronto

Magua

If you dont mind me offering my two cents worth …not my area of expertise, but did do some research in my younger days ….

as you say, early Christians spoke Aramaic, while the Gospels and the language of many of the nations was Greek …. use of Latin was largely concentrated in and around Rome…. which, as we all know, became the centre of the greatest empire the world had seen to that time.

Rome had the largest empire, but it didn’t have the army to ensure compliance in all of its various outposts … so, it developed two notions … cultus doerum and pax deorum… which basically meant that, so long as the conquered terriitories/peoples (i) worshipped Roman gods, they could still worship their locals gods simultaneously, and (ii) so long as they kept the peace, and paid their taxes to Rome, Rome would basically leave them in peace. This worked for Rome because, as I said, the Roman empire had grown so vast that Rome simply wouldnt have had the soldiers to keep the peace through the empire.

So, it was important for Rome to spread its ideologies (to ensure fealty to Rome) while at the same time not alienating people by enslaving them. One of the key ways of bringing far off lands ‘closer to Rome’ was by ensuring a common language. By the third Century, Rome was increasingly becoming Christian, which reached its height when Constantine became a Christian, and decided that Christianity would be the religion of the empire (as I say, along with local customs). Latin, which was associated with Rome, and both became increasingly associated with Latin. in the 4th Century, St. Jerome translated the bible into latin, and that form of the Bible began to spread throughout the empire, and it brought latin with it.

and so latin and christianity became the language and religion of the empire (not in the Star wars sense)

ASWGL

Magua the software that the forum uses, wordpress uses silly image preferences that are geared primarily towards viewing images solely from a home PC, i fiddled about and found a setting that should let users of smart phones and tablets view the images as well, that’s likely why you are now able to view backgrounds properly.

HH

Mike in Toronto

ASWGL

I thought you were going to tell us that you had lit a candle and said a prayer to St. Isidore of Seville … the patron saint of computers, programmers etc.

At least, that (and a smack) is what I usually do when I have computer issues.

(I shit you not … St. Isidore is acutally the patron saint of computers! Although I’m not really sure why someone who died 1500 years ago would be the patron saint of computers…. that was probably even before they had Macs!)

ASWGL

Mike if you had said St Abacus was the patron Saint of computers, I might have believed you 😀 i must look up Isidore 👍

On another note, Latin is mostly a dead language I doubt it is spoken anywhere these days, The Vatican might be the ‘only’ exception, and rarely used except probably your legal profession, Science and Horticulture, i use it sparingly in home reports when identifying insect infestation or timber decay.

St. Isidore the Farmer (1070-1130) is considered the patron saint of farmers and rural communities. (He is not to be confused with another Spanish saint, St. Isidore of Seville (Wonder if he played for Porto that day)

Mike in Toronto

ASWGL

my other tech solution is bargaining with God …’please God…. if you help me find that document that I need for Court tomorrow, but which I just accidentally deleted, I swear that I will never ( fill in the blanks) again …..

I should probably buy a new computer, and hope that it is better … as I am quickly running out of bad habits/bargaining chips to trade !

🙂

MIT

Thanks for the reply. It all makes sense I guess, if we consider the impact of Constantine on early church history. This is an area of history that I must brush up on. I did try ploughing my way through ‘The Decline and Fall of The Roman Empire’, but gave up in frustration. I guess I like my history with a bit more bite to it. I have to say that the film “Carry On Cleo” was both funnier and more informative on the History of The Roman Empire, than the aforementioned book ever was. Thanks again.

Hail Hail.

Sol Kitts

Big Packy 232
Sorry mate, the jet had to go for a service and they need to change one of the beer fridges. I told them you wouldn’t go in it unless the beer was at exactly the right temperature, so they’re pulling out all the stops to get a new one.

ASWGL

I would imagine that Latin is still heavily valued within the English Public School system and Oxbridge set… cos, y’know having a classical education, makes you a stick on cert to be Prime Minister, even if the current one is one of the greatest buffoons to hold this position. And given the competition, that is really saying something. 😀

Hail Hail.

BojoisabozoCSC.

Mike in Toronto

ASWGL

Until recently, latin and greek were required courses for lawyers (and I believe doctors as well)… but those days are gone now.

a little language and law story for you … when I was starting my practice, I appeared before Master Cork (Masters are like judges who deal with procedural matters). In these procedural courts, each case was only brief, so you might be one of 30 young lawyers waiting for your case to be called… and while you were waiting for your case to be called, you would watch the other cases to learn ….

So, the Masters would use these hearings to teach the young lawyers the ropes …. some nicely, some not so nicely … one Master, would say nothing … if your material was good, he would just sign it, and hand it back … BUT if there was a problem in your documents, he would call you up in front of everyone, and then just stare … you would know there was a problem becaues he wouldn’t hand your papers back, but he wouldn’t tell you what the problem was .. in fact, he often would make you stand there and sweat, which he said nothing … and sometimes he even threw the rule book at people (not joking) …. fortunately, some were nicer … such as Master Cork …

he called my case one day, and as I stood in front of the Court, he announced to the court that he was going to read my order out loud as he wanted the Court to know how to use grammar properly (hey, beats getting the Rule Book thrown at you!) … so, after he did, he said, ‘so Mr. M…, I’m assuming that you didn’t go to school here… where did you learn to speak the Queen’s English?’, to which I replied, ‘well, what you call the Queen’s English, we just call Scottish’… fortunately, he has sense of humor, so we had a bit of a laugh, and he and I became friends after that until he retired ..

bada bing1

Ojo charged with assault for incident at Tannadice…..seriously?

ASWGL

Magua It would not surprise me in the least if the only remaining subject that was heavily valued within the English Public School system, was learning to slam each others private parts in a drawer “Go on Sir Jeffrey give it another bloody good slam !”

Because they sure as hell don’t come out of those schools any wiser or honest, bunch of lying two faced perverts most of them.

Craig76

Bada Bing 1
I think that was for something that happened outside the ground after the game

ASWGL
You just made my eyes water at the thought of that ouch ouch 🤣

big packy

SOL, will it be ready for tomorrow, and can we pick Jim up at prestwick airport, since he found out elvis pressley landed there one time thats his favourite airport,😎 😎

ASWGL

If I’m going to take a position on a certain subject, I make it my business to brush up on all sides of a particular argument. On the matter of English Public Schools, I would heartily recommend:

“Posh Boys: How English Public Schools Ruin Britain” by Robert Verkaik. It really is an eye-opener.

In Scotland, the situation is little better, with the majority of the Edinburgh Legal and Political Establishment having attended a few select schools, but particularly Fettes College. These swines are born into privilege and this continues throughout their lives. Tom Minogue has written extensively of the little foibles of the Edinburgh ruling class. The kind of people who lord it over us, but who know the square root of feck all, about the lives of ordinary people. You will not be surprised to learn that the malignant presence of Freemasonry, is ubiquitous among this ruling elite. Unbelievably, Private Schools in Scotland are granted ‘Charitable Status’ by the government. The rich get richer etc.

Hail Hail.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

MIKEINTORONTO

Peter Cook said that he always wanted to be a lawyer,but he didn’t have his Latin.

Mind you,I always wanted to be a gigolo,but I canny dance.

Oh aye, forgot to say. The answer to my earlier question was Dynamo Zagreb, who defeated the Celts on a cold January night in 1967. 0-1 in favour of Zagreb. On the plus side, lessons were learned that night, which were put into practice at Celtic Park when Vojvodina came calling on 8th March 1967. 2-0 to the ‘Tic on the night, 2-1 on aggregate.

Hail Hail.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

BADA

Ojo?

ASWGL

Magua speaking about he lives of ordinary people, I know exactly how you mean. I did some work for a couple, two surgeons to be exact, and they were telling me one day, how they felt bad for a colleague of theirs, (another surgeon), who had recently divorced, and that after he had paid for his childrens private schooling, all their sporting activities, his mortgage, domestic bills, his car, his golf club fees, his maid, his monthly groceries, his gym membership, his rugby, his( yadda yadda ..whatever else he fekkin outlaid that month), the poor chap only had £500 left each week for himself. My reply was “Yes poor c*nt” (ffs) they sure do live on a different planet.

Craig76

MAGUA
Rules getting tighter for private schools
https://twitter.com/Ross_Greer/status/1470779187640389633

ASWGL

I might be mistaken but i thought Vodvodina beat us 1-0 at parkhead and we won the return away leg 2-0 courtesy of Stevie Chalmers and big billy

Billy Bhoy

Bobby,

I emailed you guys a couple of hours ago. Can you let me know if you received it?

I’ve had a few phone issues recently….

Mike in Toronto

BMCUWP

You dont have to do latin now to become a lawyer … so there is still hope for Peter Cook (we will overlook the minor detail of his demise for the moment)….

And I am told that the rules for gigolos have also changed … and there is no longer any requirement for dancing first …. so, never too late for you to hang out a shingle!

🙂

ASWGL

Bobby Aberdeens Funso Ojo charged with assaulting a fan

big packy

ASWGL , I was at the game at parkhead in 67, believe me vojvodina did not beat us, i was right behind the goal at the rangers end when charlie gallagher whipped in that corner, and big billy headed it home, never ever forget it👍

ASWGL

packy i’ll take your word for it, I know you only tell true stories 👍

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

BILLYBHOY

I don’t do the SC mails,got enough work to keep up with my own!

I’ve sent your comment to MAHE though to make sure that he is aware of it. Hope that helps.

PS They are eight hours behind over there,so he might take a while to read yours or mine.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

MIKEINTORONTO

Aw,brilliant. Change the rules in my favour after my dashing good looks have effed off.

BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

ASWGL,BADA

I think I recall the incident. Words fail me,as they so often seem to with officialdom in Scotland.

bada bing1

Craig- I’m assuming it was the incident with the prk behind the goals?

ASWGL

Vojvodina beat Celtic exactly one week earlier at their home ground, by a scoreline of 1-0. Their manager Boskov was in bullish mood after the game, claiming that his team were coming to Glasgow to win. A Charlie Gallagher/Billy McNeill combo in the last seconds of the game sure put his gas at a peep. 2-0 to the Bhoys on the night.

What a corrupt country we live in, where a player can be assaulted by a fan, and the player himself ends up being charged. Scottish justice in action.

And yet, Loyalist mobs can go on the rampage in this town, with nary a word of condemnation by the Polis, The Govt. or the Judiciary. I guess that these bastards only see what they want to see. Justice is blind…me arse.

Hail Hail.

ASWGL

Again I may be mistaken, but something tells me I first read the fan was charged with assault on Ojo, now it seems to have reversed, and Ojo is het.

Unless it’s a different fan outside the ground *shrug*

Craig76

I have not yet heard that there will be a tightening up of the regs on Private Schools. What is planned?

Hail Hail.

Craig76

MAGUA
Private schools will lose a lucrative tax break as they won’t qualify for rates relief like they do now by classing themselves as charities.
The amount they charge for pupils they should be paying full wack Iike everyone else

bada bing1

Cadden and Nisbet off injured for Hibs