9th March – If you know your history

SCOTTISH CUP FINAL (SPECIAL)

130 years ago … on this day (Wednesday) our Bhoys are preparing for The Scottish Cup Final against the mighty Spiders of Queen’s Park at Ibrox on Saturday.

There is massive interest in this game, and if you have been following progress of our team, there is clear evidence that every resource and sinew has been stretched to secure our first ever Scottish Cup win.

We have already played in one Scottish Cup Final, in our first full season 1888/89, losing to Third Lanark Rifles (vol.) a stunning achievement at the time. We even took them to a replay (2-1).

Now the club is reaching the end of our fourth season and still considered the new kids on the block. We desperately want to win The Big One.

The only club that stands in our way are the, still-mighty, Establishment club of Queen’s Park. Our main rivals from the Southside of the City. ( arguably Thirds are our next big Sooside rival…) Queen’s have already won the Scottish Cup nine (9) times since the competition began in 1873/4. The other winners are: aforementioned Third Lanark, Vale of Leven (3) Renton (2), Dumbarton, Hibs and the current holders Hearts.

Queen’s Park are so illustrious and dominant in the game, that they have “declined” to join the recently formed League Championship, as it has an odour “of professionalism”. To be fair, Celtic haven’t taken it too seriously either, but still have a chance of winning the League ( now in its second season).

For Queen’s then, The Cup is absolutely everything and they have their sights set on winning their tenth (10th) Cup this coming Saturday.

The expectation in the Press is that they will achieve their goal.

Celtic, on the other hand, are seen as the ‘Irish’ upstarts, and Firmly at the other end of the spectrum. When Hibernian won the Cup in 1887 the genesis of Celtic began at the celebration party held in Glasgow. The members of the Hibernian committee suggested to their Glasgow hosts that they too should start a team to represent the West Coast Irish population ( Follow You, Follow Me)…

Those Glasgow hosts soon became the founding fathers of Celtic and in less than 5 years have the opportunity to match that illustrious Hibernian team. Not that the Hibernian fans at the time, and ever since, have forgiven Celtic for ‘poaching’ so many of their 1887 Cup Winning team… but that’s another story, for another day.

To the task…and The Celtic Wiki has really excelled themselves on this one, with a stunning barest of match reports from the period. Now almost 130 years later, we can savour…. and enjoy…

1892-03-12: Celtic 1-0 Queen’s Park, Scottish Cup [Void]

Match was voided and declared a friendly match.

Ibrox Park, the ground where this tie is to be played, was officially inspected in the afteroon, with the view of deciding whether the match should proceed or be abandoned. Both clubs were represented and messrs Sliman and McDowall and others represented the Scottish Football Association.

The snow was lying to the depth of an inch and a half, but underneath it was all right – a little hard perhaps, but certainly not unplayable. The official finding is that there was at the present nothing in the condition of the ground to warrant postponement.

There was to be an inspection of the ground again this morning at nine o’clock, when a final decision was to be given.

The Rangers had erected new stands to accommodate the expected large crowds.

Around 40,000 spectators attended.

Review

The Scotsman – Monday, 14th March 1892, page 4

FOOTBALL
ASSOCIATION.

The final tie for the Scottish Cup between the Queen’s Park and Celtic played on Saturday, created extraordinary interest in Glasgow and indeed, throughout the country. The “gate” was a record one, it being calculated that 40,000 spectators were present and the money value of the attendance was officially stated to exceed £1450. So great was the rush, that although the gate were closed nearly an hour before the start, the spectators encroached on the touch line and as a result of protests lodged by both teams for this reason, the Association have ordered the tie to be replayed on April 9. The wintry weather caused the postponement of a great many Rugby matches.

Teams

Celtic:- Cullen, Reynolds, Doyle, W Marley, Kelly (Captain), Dowds/Douds, McCallum, Brady, Madden, McMahon Campbell
Goal:- Campbell 60.

Queens Park:-
Baird, Sillars, Smellie (Captain), Gillespie, Robertson, Stewart, Gulliland, Waddell, J Hamilton, Sellar, Lambie.

Att:- 40,000.
Ref:- Mr Sneddon, Edinburgh University, (President of the SFA).

From newspaper reports from the time.

Report 1

QUEEN’S PARK v CELTIC.
FINAL TIE SCOTTISH CUP.

Without parallel in the history of football was the interest excited over this year’s Scottish Cup Final, which was regarded as in some sense a trial of strength between the principal League club and the leading club outside that body. Looking to the large following which both the Celtic and Queen’s Park- the finalists on this occasion – command, as well as the interest taken in the fixture by football followers generally; it was confidently felt that the attendance would constitute a record for Scotland, If not also for Great Britain, the record previous to Saturday having been established in England under the Rugby code. Bearing this in mind, the most elaborate arrangements had been made by the Executive of the Rangers’ Club, on whose ground the match was played, for the accommodation of a vast crowd. Extensive stands had been erected all round the ground, the sides and the corners of the field of play had been banked up so that all could obtain a view of the game, and additional entrances had been provided. As early as twelve o’clock— four hours before the time advertised for the start of the game – the gates of Ibrox Park were thrown open for the admission of the public, and even at that early hour dozens put in an appearance at the ground.
From one o’clock the crowd poured in in hundreds and when half-past two o’clock arrived the spacious ground seemed packed to its utmost capacity. Thousands, however, still continued to pour in, and as a consequence, the only thing to be expected took place—the crowd in front were forced over the barricade on to track, and having got thus far, a regular stampede took place from the entrance gates right over the field of play, till on both sides of the ground the spectators encroached on the touch line. During the stampede, the crowd made a vigorous attack on the old stand on the north side of the ground which was already tightly packed, but the occupants succeeded in beating them off. The police arrangements were totally inadequate to stem the rush, and it was not till some mounted police arrived on the ground that the crowd was cleared back so as to be clear of the touch line.
At ten minutes past three it was found necessary to close the gates, and large numbers tried ineffectually to gain admission. Before the game started the attendance was calculated to number close upon 40,000, representing over £1450, and the scene which then presented itself was one never to be forgotten. Every few minutes the rush on the part of the enthusiastic followers of the game was renewed, and in view of the increased excitement which would ensue when the game was started, it was felt that the match would not be allowed to proceed as a cup tie. This turned out to be correct, as several times the game had to be stopped, and by mutual agreement the teams at length decided that the match would not rank as a cup tie, and a protest was accordingly lodged by each with the referee, Mr Sneddon, President of the Association.
Early in the second period the spectators seemed to have become aware of this fact, and a good deal of interest died out of the game, which might possibly account for the absence of that excitement at the finish which has, on many previous occasions, characterised the termination of a Scottish final. Prior to the match, opinion ruled about equal as to which team would secure the much-coveted honour, but a powerful factor in favour of the Queen’s Park was the fact that they had figured in nine of the eighteen previous finals, and in none of these had been beaten, while their opponents, founded in 1888, had only once previously – the first year of their existence – passed through the ordeal of a final, and on that occasion were beaten by the Third Lanark. It was therefore a surprise to many that the Celts managed to emerge from the contest victorious by a goal to nothing, especially under the peculiarly exciting circumstances under which the match was played.
The Association, as was confidently expected, at a meeting on Saturday evening, sustained the protests lodged, and in view of the international engagements, deferred the replaying of the tie till the 9th April. The same ground was chosen as the venue, but the charge for admission to 2s., which the view of having the crowd of manageable dimensions. The game was started sharp to time, the only change in the teams being Arnott’s absence from the ranks of the Hampden Park eleven. Kelly having lost the toss, the Celts kicked off. It was soon apparent that the softness of the ground would to some extent affect the play, and the Celtic at the start seemed to be most handicapped on this score, as the Queen’s had all the best of the opening stages of the game. Before two minutes had elapsed Cullen was compelled to handle the ball, and hardly had the pressure been relieved than the Queen’s again bore down on him. Sellars had an open goal before him, but to the chagrin of the Queen’s followers he shot wildly, and the effort went for nothing.
Rousing themselves, the Celts made a raid on their opponents goal, but Smellie averted the danger, and the ball being then well taken up by Hamilton, the Irishmen had once more to defend their lines. Doyle was passed by the Queen’s centre, but Reynolds gave his team relief. So far as the game had proceeded the Queen’s had easily held the upper hand, and they seemed at length likely to score, but Gulliland was at the critical moment charged down by Reynolds. A free kick was awarded by Mr Sneddon, but nothing came from it. Not long afterwards the Queen’s were again bombarding the Celtic citadel, and a shot from Hamilton again caused Cullen to use his hands.
After a little pressure by the Queen’s the game had to be stopped for a few minutes by reason of the encroachment of the crowd on the Celtic goal, but after the mounted police has been requisitioned the game was resumed. Soon after the resumption the Celtic goal had two very narrow escapes, and this apparently had the effect of rousing the Irishmen to show their real merits, for they immediately came down the field in beautiful style, Campbell leading a splendid dribble. Though Sellars kicked into touch, Kelly got the ball when it was thrown out, and put in a high dropping shot which many thought had taken effect, but it went just over the bar.
The Celtic now did a period of pressing, but it did not last long, as once more the Queen’s got down the field, and Stewart all but landed a goal by a fine effort from near midfield, which was followed by an attempt on the part of Waddell, which Cullen also, however, succeeded in keeping out. For the next ten minutes play was of a fluctuating nature, McMahon almost on one occasion scoring for the Celts, while Hamilton, with a fine opportunity for scoring sent in an erratic shot for the Queen’s. It was only at this point that the Celts began to show their true form, and having now got quite into the spirit of the game, they fairly held their own with the Queen’s, Campbell on one occasion losing a certain goal for them by heading outside of the posts.
Half-time arrived, however, without any scoring. In the second half, the Celts showed surprising form when compared with that with which they opened the game. In the early stage of the second half the Queen’s backs had all their work cut out to keep the Irishmen in check, but after a period of hard pressure they managed to raise the siege in beautiful style, and passing the ball on to their forwards, the latter took it right to the Celtic goal line. Sellar was entrusted with the parting kick, but sent the ball wide.
The Celts again assuming the aggressive, Madden tried Baird with a splendid shot, which the latter fell in saving, Campbell, however, completed the effort in putting the ball through for the Celts, the point being the signal for an extraordinary outburst of enthusiasm. Just as the game was restarted, the Queen’s dashed off in brilliant fashion, and Hamilton sent through a beautiful shot, but to the disappointment of the supporters of the Hampden Park team, the whistle had previously blown. From this point the Celtic continued to show up in brilliant style, Doyle coming in for numerous ovations for his grand play at back. The Queen’s had, however, a lot of life and plenty of pluck still left in them, and they occasionally made some very dashing breaks away, but their efforts met with no better success that in the first half.
As time drew near, however, the Queen’s had distinctly the best of the game, but the strong defence of the Celtic neutralised all their efforts. Again before the close, the game had to be stopped on account of the encroachment of the crowd. In the last minute or two of the game the Celtic made another raid on their opponent’s lines, but without result, and a memorable game terminated with the Celtic leading by one goal to nil. It may be said that the arrangements for the reporters, who hailed from all parts of the country, were of the most insufficient kind.

Report 2

The final tie for the Scottish Cup, played in the Rangers’ ground at Ibrox, will long be remembered in the annals of the game for the enthusiasm it aroused. Since it became known a fortnight ago that the clubs were destined to meet in the final, nothing else had been talked about in Association circles.

The attendance far exceeded the most sanguine anticipations, it being estimated that close upon 40,000 persons were inside the park. the Rangers’ committee had made special preparations by the erection of two new stands and additional terracing, and altogether it was believed that 36,000 could be accommodated comfortably.

the scene on the way to the field will long be remembered. In fact, there was never anything approaching it in the history of the game. As early as noon, four hours before kick-off, people began to wend their way to the field, and by two o’clock the ground was nearly packed. No fewer than 13 special and several ordinary trains carrying a;most 12,000 passengers, arrived at Ibrox, and it is gratifying to state that under the management of Mr McWhirter, the stationmaster, and a staff of assistants, there was no mishap.

By three o’clock the pressure at the gates had become so great that it was resolved to close them, but before this was done thousands managed to get free entrance. The ground was in charge of Captain Hamilton, who had over a hundred constables present, besides four officers on horseback.

The crowd was a good-natured one, and during the interval sang snatches of popular airs. An hour before the start the pressure had become so great that there was a general break into the field of play, but by strenuous efforts the police managed to restore something like order.

There was general disappointment when it became known that the premier club were without their famous back Walter Arnott, who had received an injury to his foot, and in the circumstances it was resolved to play Sillars in Arnott’s place and Gillespie of the second eleven in Sillar’s. The Celts were out in full force.

Unfortunately the ground, being soft and slippery, was all against a first-class display, and as it turned out the players could not keep their feet.

The Queen’s led off with great dash, and had hard lines in not scoring right off. As the game proceeded the excitement became intense, and the crowd breaking over the touch-line a consultation was held, and it was agreed that the game should only be a friendly one. This was the wisest course in the circumstances. the decision, however, did not affect the play, for the game was fast throughout.

At half-time neither side had scored, but early in the second period the Celts succeeded, the result of a determined attack on the Queen’s citadel. The shouting of the Irishmen had hardly died away when the Queen’s equalised, but, unfortunately, the whistle had been blown previously for offside, and the point was disallowed.

From this stage till the close the game was most determinedly contested. The Queen’s tried hard to equalise, but the Celts maintained grand defensive tactics, and managed to win by one goal to nil. Generally speaking, the Queen’s had most of the play, their half-backs, and Robertson in particular, upsetting the combination of the the Celts.

So far as can be ascertained the drawings amounted to £1900 in round numbers, £1400 at the gates and £500 at the stands. the gate money is divided equally among the clubs and the Association, and the rangers take the stand-money.

Report 3 – Glasgow Herald March 14th 1892

Before a record crowd, estimated at between 30,000 and 40,000 persons, the final tie for the Scottish Cup was played on Rangers’ ground at Ibrox Park. the ground was very soft and all against a first-class display. Arnott was absent from the Queen’s team and Sillars took his place, while Gillespie of the second eleven filled Sillars’ place.

The Celtic were first to appear, led by Kelly, and received a great ovation, as did the Queen’s, led by Smellie, shortly afterwards. Punctual to time, Madden kicked off for the Celts, the Queen’s having won the toss. The Queen’s were first to cross the line, but the Celts soon broke away, only, however, to be repulsed. Sellar had a capital run, and the ball being passed to the right it looked dangerous for the celts. In fact, amidst the greatest excitement, Sellar just missed sending the ball through from a pass by Hamilton.

It was a narrow affair. Gradually working their way down, Campbell crossed to McCallum, who screwed the ball in, but Smellie’s leg came in the way and saved. the Celts were asserting their superiority, and the left wing was puting in some beautiful work.

For the Queen’s hamilton had a clear run, but Reynolds came to the rescue and saved. The ground was very slippery, and falls were frequent. Still, the Queen’s managed to make headway, and Gulliland tried a long shot, which went widwe of the mark. The popular QP right-winger was afterwards charged badly, and a foul was given, but it came to nothing.

The Queen’s were fairly in it, and Hamilton shot for goal, but missed. Tom Robertson headed a grand run for the Queen’s, and after some passing in front of goal the premier club’s forwards nearly got the ball through.

The Celts were fairly hemmed in for a time, but gradually they got away, and McMahon was shaping for goal when he was grassed. Some beautiful passing by all the Queen’s forwards was loudly cheered, but Sellar, who was entrusted with the final effort, shot wide of the mark. The Celtic forwards once more assumed offensive tactics, but with Madden right in front of goal, Robertson stepped in and coolly took the ball away.

The defence of the Queen’s was really very fine, and their forward play at this stage certainly deserved a point. Had Sellar been in a good position, and accepted a pass from Waddell, he would undoubtedly have scored.

the game had to be stopped for a minute or two owing to the crowd breaking in, and there seemed some probability that it would not proceed. After consultation a start was made.

The Celts at once took the ball to the other end, but Smellie returned, and Waddell sent in a fine shot, saved at the expense of a corner, Cullen sending the ball over the bar. Sellar took the kick, and the ball landed among the QP forwards, when Hamilton, who had been playing far above the average, shot wide of the mark. the Celts got off once more, but Donald Sillars met them with fine defensive tactics.

After 25 minutes’ play Kelly sent in a high shot, which some people though had gone through, but it dropped over the bar. Dan Doyle, with a huge kick, relieved a dangerous looking run by Gulliland and Waddell.

A foul right in front of the Celts’ goal gave great anxiety to their supporters, but once more the Celts relieved, only, however, to be forced back, when Stewart, from long range, sent in a swift high shot, which very nearly took effect. Waddell tested Cullen with a quick long shot, but the young Celtic custodian was not found wanting, and managed to get the ball away.

The play became fast and exciting, but the Celts could never settle down, and the Queen’s had a long way the best of it. Lambie, with an open field, would have scored, but Reynolds came in the way in the nick of time, and kicked the ball down the field.

Towards the close of the first half the Celts settled down somewhat, but they could not get the ball through, and the Queen’s, keeping up the hot attack, continually kept their opponents on the run. Gillespie was playing a dashing, go-ahead game for the Queen’s, and Hamilton rose to the occasion and nearly scored with a shot which went over the bar.

Some fine play by Campbell and McMahon resulted in the former shooting over the bar. The Celts were now playing with some pluck, and fairly besieged the Queen’s goal, but just as every body thought the ball would go through it went past. the Celts were improving greatly, and were certainly having the best of it, although the Queen’s were very watchful, Smellie in particular being very safe.

the closing stages of this half found the Celts in their true form, and they put in some warm work round Baird. McMahon would have scored, but he slipped at the critical moment. Dowds was playing a great game, and when everybody else failed he dashed in and robbed Hamilton of the ball.

At half-time neither side had scored.

Without delay the game was restarted. At the outset Smellie slipped in meting the ball, and the Celts would have scored but for Sillars pluckily stepping in and getting the ball away in the most determined manner. The Queen’s retaliated in the most spirited fashion, and Robertson nearly got the ball through.

Again the Celts came away and forced their first corner, which proved fruitless. McMahon and Campbell were getting along nicely, but were charged, with the result that a foul was given, but Dowds shot wildly over the bar. The Queen’s, by hard, dashing play, got right in front of the Celts’ goal, and a point looked inevitable, when Reynolds stepped in and saved. After some fine forward play by the Celts, Kelly got the ball and passed to McCallum, who tried a tricky low shot, which just missed.

After a quarter of an hour’s play a great shout announced that the Celtic had scored. After a siege on the Queen’s goal, Madden sent in a good one. Baird fell, but managed to return, but Campbell got the ball and rushed it through amidst great excitement. In less than a minute the Queen’s scored, but the whistle had been blown previously for off-side, and the point was disallowed. The Celts came away, and, from a pass right along, Campbell nearly scored. The game continued very fast and exciting, and Doyle was cheered for a grand bit of play.

Much enthusiasm prevailed among the Queen’s supporters as Sellar tore along the touchline, and finished up with a magnificent shot, which was headed out. The Queen’s strove hard to equalise, but the defence of the Celts was very safe, Doyle and Reynolds in particular and Kelly showing fine form.

Still the Queen’s never gave up hope. A corner fell to them, but it was of no avail, although Waddell had the hardest of lines.

Right on to the close the game was keenly contested, but the defence of Doyle and Reynolds was most stubborn, and the game ended – Celtic, 1 goal; Queen’s Park, 0 goals.

Owing to the encroachment of the spectators, it was agreed in the first half that a friendly game only be played, and at a meeting of the SFA Committee at night it was decided that the tie be replayed on 9th April, and that the gate money be doubled.

Match report from Dublin newspaper Freeman’s Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser Monday, March 14, 1892

So, still the Cup is still not won, and we go to a reply on 9th April, 1892.

Sentinels- as this is one of the most important events in our history, propose we make a wee individual plan to acknowledge the significance of the forthcoming replay. Ironically, our modern day team will host St Johnstone, who are the current Scottish Cup holders at Paradise, 130 years to the day that we won the Scottish Cup for the first time.

The ‘replay’ team on 9th April had one significant change: Madden (injured) was replaced by Peter Dowds ( his name is Douds) at Centre Forward, with veteran Pat Gallacher ( sic) stepping into the Half-Back line slot vacated by Douds.

This isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but for a bit of fun it would be great to know that at least one Sentinel has raised a glass in the hometown of each of the players who played in the Final (replay).

You have a month to get it organised lads, raise a wee glass in your local pubs to commemorate these Bould Bould Bhoys!

For the mighty & intrepid …Here are their Birthplaces:

Joseph Cullen (Lambhill* Glasgow)

Jerry Reynolds (Maryhill, Glasgow)

Dan Doyle: (Paisley, Renfrewshire)

Willie Maley: (Newry, Ireland)

James Kelly (Renton, West Dunbartonshire)

Patrick Gallacher (Johnstone, Renfrewshire)

Neil McCallum ( Bonhill, West Dunbartonshire)

Alec Brady (Cathcart, Glasgow)

Peter Douds (Johnstone, Renfrewshire)

Sandy McMahon ( Selkirk, Borders)

Johnny Campbell (Govan* Glasgow )

*can anyone verify?

Note: The excellent Celtic Wiki site is the font of all knowledge on things Celtic. Most of the Celtic stuff above is from that site. The guys who set it up and painstakingly keep it updated, deserve no end of credit, praise and thanks. A treasure trove for Celtic fans young and old – and new- and free to view.

Respect Bhoys!

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/m/

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McCaff
March 9, 2022 11:36 pm

For any music lovers lurking. I saw The Cribs tonight as SWG3, with my daughter and her boyfriend and my nephew! What a gig, loved it! The Cribs are three bros, Ryan, Gary and Ross Jarman from Wakefield, Yorks who have been my daughter’s favourite band for as long as I can remember. They genuinely seemed delighted to be touring again. Kudos to The Cribs for displaying the Ukranian colours on their drumkit in solidarity with those poor unfortunates!

McCaff
March 9, 2022 11:41 pm

Billy Bhoy
March 9, 2022 11:42 pm

The Lion’s Roar

I’m very interested in your comments about the ISS.

A couple of years ago I saw on the news that it was scheduled to fly over the West of Scotland at 11pm and as cloud cover was thin it would be visible. So, I stood outside at the appointed time and sure enough there it was, shining brighter than the stars and slightly bigger.

So, if it wasn’t the ISS what are you suggesting that people saw – as it was widely debated on social media the next day?

ASWGL
March 9, 2022 11:46 pm

Good to be getting gigs and concerts back McCaff, Mrs ASWGL finally got to use her Texas tickets, that I think I bought her 2 or 3 years ago

McCaff
March 9, 2022 11:53 pm

ASWGL…to be fair I’ve been to quite a few in the last few months…and loving them! Got home early as I’m hoping for a dry day (kinda!) to start a kit for an extension to my own place! I don’t know if you remember me telling you about it when you came round a while ago!!!

McCaff
March 9, 2022 11:55 pm

So…The Cribs came onstage to this earlier tonight…

ASWGL
March 9, 2022 11:58 pm

Yeah i remember seeing the materials in your driveway. I’m in the middle of a double garage and granny flat just now, I have the build done, i’m now on to my pet hate, about 100 sheets of kingspan 😳

McCaff
March 10, 2022 12:01 am

HaHaHa…some of those materials are still there! Waited 3 years on a Building Warrant as the Renfrewshire Council guy is a complete fanny!! I used a lot of the materials to build an office in the garden for my missus so now paying three times as much for the mats I need for my extension….any Kingspan offcuts gratefully accepted!! 🤑

ASWGL
March 10, 2022 12:03 am

Tell me about it K106 150mm Kingspan is £180 a sheet.

McCaff
March 10, 2022 12:04 am

FFS ASWGL…no economics or politics on this site! Don’t get yersel banned!!! 🤣

ASWGL
March 10, 2022 12:05 am

That’s okay I can logon to the site and change my moniker to Puff 🤣

McCaff
March 10, 2022 12:07 am

🤣😂🤣

Margaret McGill
March 10, 2022 12:15 am

It’s a crime against humanity this war.
By the time it’s finished as much as half a million children could have starved to death. It’s time we opened our borders.

Margaret McGill
March 10, 2022 12:16 am

……. To Yemen

Margaret McGill
March 10, 2022 1:51 am

What about that PSG goalie eh?

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 3:18 am

Thanks for your question BillyBhoy but our eyes’ angular perspective loses focus around the 3 to 4 mile mark, weather dependant, so seeing any further than that is highly doubtful, as we literally lose sight of people over a quarter to half of a mile away, even on the clearest day.

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 3:26 am

Aye, Mags, Saudi Arabia using British made bombs to pummel Yemen, the most official ‘Poorest Nation On Earth’, into the ground ..

We don’t see much of that in the mainstream media now do we,even though it’s been going on for over the past 10 or more years ..?

‘Largely ignored’ could well the the understatement of this, or any other, century …

Yet now it’s ‘Tits Oot’ for Ukraine suddenly …

Where is the sense of objectivity?

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 3:34 am

In fact now you mention it Mags, there’s probably an in CREDIBLE amount of space in Yemen for refugees who are no much better than useful for ‘Fruit picking’ …

Yeah, even better than them harvesting British fields for berries and potatoes, why not send them all to Yemen, where they can pick out the bones of the poor dead children of the last decade from the dust where the British made Saudi bombs laid them ..?

But I imagine there’s a lot less money in that compared to the tatties and berries, since no one in the Western world ever wants to know where the bodies are buried! or really gives a fuck about what happened there.,since the mainstream media chose largely to ignore it.

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 3:52 am

After 800 years of the military industrial complex’ war against the world, it’s suddenly ‘Tits Oot fir the Ukraine’ …

Ye begorrah feckin laugh…

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 4:06 am

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 4:23 am

Hairy muff, The Fenian Whaler, you can believe whatever you wish, but the truth is like a lion, set it free and it doesn’t need anyone to look after it.

And you the man who came here with so much bold promise too …

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 4:55 am

Aye life’s too short for any more argy bargy but none of this is what it seems.

And if you need proof, in real wars we never see the body bags.

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 5:09 am

Tudor Curry crisps I say …

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 7:13 am

No offence meant but Where were all you anti war chaps during the genocide in Palestine, or in Iraq or in Yemen or Afghanistan?

You think war only exists when it’s on the news ..?

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 7:21 am

Or is it only if The Daily Mail said it, or John Major said it, or the Royal Family or the BBC said it, that it must, therefore, be true ..?

You tell me, brothers & sisters, but I can assure you, the truth is in no way involved in any of the above.

And you only have to open your eyes to see it.

CFC
March 10, 2022 7:55 am

T L R

You talk of objectivity yet demonstrate a crass insensitivity with a childish remark:

“ tits oot fir the Ukraine.”

Millions displaced, thousands dead and you perceive heartfelt concern for this as an objectionable exercise?

An Interesting take on life and death.

CFC
March 10, 2022 8:23 am

You conflate your distrust/ disgust of Government reaction to cherry picking conflicts that benefit them but at the same time dismiss an unfolding human tragedy as political grandstanding.

Cognitive dissonance cartwheels there.

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 8:31 am

So, TFW, the human eye can see over 260,000 miles ..?

Can, indeed, see a burning ‘star’ in a vacuum at 93 million miles, despite either heat, combustion or light being possible in a vacuum ..?

Are you absolutely sure about that?

For I can assure you that angular perspective prevents all such possibility and even if that logically proven and irrefutable fact were not true, the notion that the human eye can see for over one quarter of a million miles is nothing less than preposterous, as you and every reader on this page knows.

For if we could see a quarter of a million miles, that would mean you could see the Eiffel Tower from Glasgow, or one full quarter of the world from the top of Mt.Everest, according to the Heliocentric Model, which we all know to be impossible, or we’d have photographic evidence of both, which we don’t.

Just because we see a light in the sky doesn’t mean it’s what they tell us it is and you of all people should well know this by now.

And if you don’t you really ought to check up on where you thought your facts were.

Cheers.

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 8:36 am

If that’s addressed to me, CFC, I can assure you there is no such thing as Government but the One World Government aka The Cabal, of which Putin has always been a part, his being of their same bloodline an all.

Democracy is a sham as there is only one government running this world and that’s all I have to say on the matter, as it was others on here who brought it up, like they can have their say but I can’t have mine.

So this is mine but this is the last of it here now, no matter how many other misguided try to re engage me in their own ignorance,

Cheers for your response and may Peace be with you.

Big Audio Dynamite
March 10, 2022 8:45 am

NASA tells you your eyes can see mind-boggling distances, and yet I can’t tell the number of a bus coming from a few hundred yards distant Hmm!

What to believe!

Your senses v the American gov

Tough one.

Interesting to look at how perspective works.

CFC
March 10, 2022 8:46 am

T L R
Yip, it was directed at you as a follow up comment.

“There is no such thing as Government “ although you go on to state there is a “ One World” Government. Make yer mind up.

Of course you can have your say, plenty was said in your posts this morning.
I posted my rebuttal to your comment which I considered crass and this unsubstantiated conspiracy theory is your dismissive reply?

I’m Sorry I don’t share your obvious omniscience of how the world works.

Thanks for the reply.

Jobo Baldie
March 10, 2022 8:49 am

Good morning, friends.
I’ve seen the moon loads of times, even though it’s nearly a quarter of a million miles away. But only when theres nothing blocking my eyeline and also when it’s high enough above the horizon. New article please 😁

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 8:50 am

Yes indeed, BAD!

On the one hand e can see not only an object 93 million miles away but we can also see infinite light years away, depending on what star we’re looking at!

Except there is no parallax, which throws their insane stretching of the human eye’s angular perspective back in the bin where it belongs.

Science is nothing without evidence, as tiger never ending theories just dint cut it in the real world..

But you know this already, thanks be tae jayzis! 😁

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 8:52 am

So, Jobo, your eye can miraculously see over a quarter of a million miles away?

Even though at eye level it can only see a half a mile at most?

How do you do that?

NASA would love to know! 😀

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 8:54 am

Wel,, CFC, ‘Government’ is meant to be unanimously elected, which the One World (Shadow) Government is not.

Do you get it now?

Or need I explain it for you in even simpler terms that you might finally understand ..?

Jobo Baldie
March 10, 2022 8:54 am

TLR – because the object I’m looking at is large enough to see from that distance. Theres a windfarm about 8 miles from me right now and I can see that too. This argument is playground stuff so IM OUT. 😁

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED UP WINKLEPICKERS
March 10, 2022 8:55 am
The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 8:57 am

Ok, Jobo, 8 miles distant shouldn’t be visible at 8 inches per mile squared but if you believe the human eye can see the sun at 93 million miles distant THROUGH A VACUUM then don’t let me stop you from not questioning such an impossible fallacy.

The Lions Roar
March 10, 2022 9:16 am

Did you know that Ian Dury’s incredible track Spasticus Autisticus was banned from the BBC as ‘potentially offensive’ even though he’d written it to and for and about himself ..?

I can’t think of one other instance where one can be banned from autobiography other than the Beeb.

Well, I can, but we don’t want to go into that 😚