The Best Wee Country In The World?

Morning,all.

That’s nearly a week since our trip to the dark side,where our victory in their ain midden sent the hordes into their usual violent mode. You know,the one they go into any time they lose. And even,as we saw in George Square a couple of times last season and on many occasions before and since,when they actually win.

What is it that turns usually pleasant people into snarling violent and foul-mouthed disgraces to the species? Drunk on their own superiority and The Buckie,win or lose they’re on the rampage. Wives and girlfriends praying for their men to be too drunk to take their ire out on them,while A&E departments are on standby for a busy night?

I used to put it down to that hun mob mentality,and I’m sure you’ve all witnessed it. Three or more of them together,no matter the venue,and out comes the songbook. And worse.

So here’s a random list of their “indiscretions” from Sunday in particular,and the recent past. Our players entering the stadium under a hail of abuse,vitriol and spittle,with scarce if any protection. Our former players being barred from commentary roles as the club cannot-read,will not-guarantee their safety. Our few fans being told to arrive TWO HOURS early for the same reason. Then being pelted with missiles when they get there anyway.

As do fans of every other club.

Security staff who aren’t,as they don’t have the appropriate industry qualifications. Fans watching from the gangways as they don’t have an allocated seat-that should be easy to check,thanks to electronic turnstyling tallying the number in attendance. Illegal song books being belted out non-stop. Enough booze being smuggled in by already drunk fans-both of which are illegal,btw-to float a battleship

Fans running onto the pitch to attack opposition players,a recent example being against Broonie. And possibly most dangerous of all,the hail of missiles raining down on opposition players when they get within range.

Most heinous of all,the broken bottle on Sunday.

Yet for all of the above,and believe me that I only scratched the surface,no action is ever taken.

In England and elsewhere,miscreants are identified and given life bans by the clubs almost before they have actually done it! Fans are charged and appear in court,losing their good name and frequently their job. Clubs are heavily fined,sometimes given points deductions or stadium closures.

With the huns though,nothing nada zilch. Ever. Not in Scotland,though UEFA have often done their bit. Police “appeal for witnesses” as though that is ever going to work,instead of doing their job at the time,or trawling through the multitude of CCTV available. The media gloss over it with the occasional reference,done my bit so it’s history now.

The SFA/SPFL sit on their hands,as MAHE accurately pointed out on Tuesday. Even our own club,despite the serious injury risk faced by our keeper and the actual one suffered by one of the bench,say not a dickie bird.

So maybe instead of asking “What is it that turns usually pleasant people into snarling violent and foul-mouthed disgraces to the species? Drunk on their own superiority and The Buckie,win or lose they’re on the rampage. Wives and girlfriends praying for their men to be too drunk to take their ire out on them,while A&E departments are on standby for a busy night?”,we should ask ourselves WHY they act that way.

And the simple and unpalatable truth is-BECAUSE THEY CAN!!!

Nobody in Scotland ever does a bliddy thing to stop it. Neither Police Scotland,the media,the football authorities nor that club itself. Until someone with the power to do so says-ENOUGH!-the constant disgrace will continue. And as much as I love Scotland,that makes a mockery of our claim to be the best wee country in the world.


Above article by BMCUWP

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CFC

Interesting topic BMCUW

“Best wee country” for whom?
Was Salmond’s soundbite, I think, when he formed a minority administration in 2007.

This from the Irish Times in June 2007 – Salmond meeting Paisley ( and McGuiness).

“At the same time this nationalist leader shows acute awareness of Scotland’s strong links with Northern Ireland in particular: “They are the blood of our blood and the bone of our bone, to quote a Scottish poet.”

An insight into the mindset at the time regarding how SNP were cosying up to Stormont.

That sort of rhetoric tends to embolden those it is directed at. And still the Administration pussy foot around those intent on destroying them.
Political expedience?

CFC

Or cowardice?

Celtic saying nothing is unforgiveable. Old boys club in action. Bankier and Co gtf

Bigrailroadblues

Cosy Corner Bhoy in Johnstone talking to a fella he worked with 50 years ago. Me and Leggy say thanks for the pints P. Ya auld rascal. 🍺😁
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kNNW8bnASVZgriCJ9

The Gombeen Man

Thanks BMCUWPS for the article, you pose many valid questions.

This fixture has been the same for as long as I can remember. It was always a case of taking your life in your hands by attending.

Near fatal crushes under the North Stand at Celtic Park. The Ibrox Disaster. Riots. Players arrested, you name it. We all know how toxic this game is.

Sadly we seem to be unable to turn our backs on it. It provides a glorious opportunity for the dark side in us all to come to the fore. All conveniently justified by an illusory cause or religious affiliation.

We’re in love with the drama of it all.

The flags, the banners and songs are just the camouflage that allows that dark, primal side in us to come out of the shadows.

There is no rightminded justification for the Old Firm.

It doesn’t matter a jot what side we pretend to support.

The cheating, the violence, the sectarianism are all part of the secret attraction. We pay for the adrenaline buzz that it supplies, in the full knowledge of the nature of the Old Firm.

This game plays with fire. There’s always the possibility that some poor soul is in the wrong place at the wrong time. Secretly that malevolent danger attracts us.

That’s why do we buy it. That’s why we buy tickets. That’s why we pack out pubs. That’s why we pay for Sky.

It’s the individual that makes the choice. We support it individually and collectively.

Many Celtic supporters believe they’re Irish but rarely set foot in the place. Others think they’re British, others believe they’re Scottish. Sevco supporters seem to think they’re part of a chosen race, entitled to behave as they choose.

If it wasn’t so tragic it would be hilarious.

Edinburgh couldn’t care less. London couldn’t care less. Dublin couldn’t care less.

Sadly the game is just seen as an example of barbarian Jocks knocking lumps out of each other on the northern side of Hadrian’s Wall.

We are all living in denial. We proudly assert there’s no Old Firm but every blog I see seems obsessed by the Huns, Sevco or Rangers. It’s the same on the other side.

– That’s not a judgement, just a statement of fact.

Nobody seems to want to or seems to know how to stop it. It’s a political quagmire. The police, courts and all political parties are compromised.

What will it take for Scotland to mature beyond it’s Clannish past? To grow beyond tribalism and join the more subtle forms of corruption of the modern world?

We are all a part of the problem. Just like the addict that picks up the drug or bottle. There’s really nothing stopping us from walking away.

The reality is that there’s very little chance of the Old Firm changing. The cheating and violence are part of the attraction.

There’s nothing the Ego likes more than a cause or an opportunity to play the victim.

There’s no prospect of politicians or executives taking us seriously until we wake up and stop. That’s the tragedy with most addictions.

They know that our protests are only hot air, another part of the superficial drama. An opportunity for the ego to get on that pedestal and pontificate.

We’re powerless until we stop.

The problem is we’re addicted to the drama of the whole package.

We’re so self-centered and consumed by the mirage of it all, that we don’t see that nobody else gives a damn.

– Beyond the narrow confines of the Central Belt and parts of the Six Counties virtually no-one cares less.

The Best Wee County in the World?

Scotland is perfectly imperfect just like everywhere else. It depends on whether the individual chooses to see the roses or the thorns.

Tragically we seem unable to let go of those thorns.

We’re stuck in the tyranny of a self-imposed illusion and don’t seem to want to breakout.

Nobody else will do it for us. That part we have to do ourselves.

Otherwise this Old Firm cycle will just go on and on.

Maybe that’s what we really want?

CFC

Agree TGM

The “Glasgow Derby” is seen as tribal shoot out by outsiders. A rough n ready quarterly curiosity. To those invested in its daily minutiae it impacts our lives too readily.

Addiction that consumes all rational thought.

Why does it matter?

The Gombeen Man

CFC,

When Irish people generally speak of Scotland, they’re referring to the Gaelic connection. I’m sorry I don’t have much time…From Brittanica…

“Dalriada, Irish Dál Riada or Riata, Gaelic kingdom that, at least from the 5th century AD, extended on both sides of the North Channel and composed the northern part of the present County Antrim, Northern Ireland, and part of the Inner Hebrides and Argyll, in Scotland. In earlier times, Argyll had received extensive immigration from the Irish (known as Scoti until the 12th century) of northern Ireland and had become an Irish (i.e., “Scottish”) area. In c. 500, the ruling family of Irish Dalriada crossed into Scottish Dalriada and made Dunadd and Dunolly its chief strongholds. Irish Dalriada gradually declined; and after the Viking invasions early in the 9th century, it lost all political identity. Heavy onslaughts from the Picts checked the Dalriada of the Scottish mainland. In the mid-9th century its king Kenneth I MacAlpin brought the Picts and Scoti permanently together, and thereafter the whole country was known as Scotland.

Kenneth I, also called Kenneth MacAlpin, (died c. 858, Forteviot, Scot.), first king of the united Scots of Dalriada and the Picts and so of Scotland north of a line between the Forth and Clyde rivers.”

Died: c.858 Scotland
Title / Office: king (834-858), Dalriada
Of his father, Alpin, little is known, though tradition credits him with a signal victory over the Picts by whom he was killed three months later (c. 834). Kenneth succeeded him in Dalriada and ruled in Pictavia also, ruling for 16 years. The period is obscure. The gradual union of the two kingdoms from 843 doubtless owes much to intermarriage. By the Pictish marriage custom, inheritance passed through the female. Nevertheless, Kenneth probably made some conquests among the eastern Picts and possibly invaded Lothian and burned Dunbar and Melrose. After attacks on Iona by Vikings, he is believed to have removed relics of St. Columba, probably in 849 or 850, to Dunkeld, which became the headquarters of the Scottish Columban church. He died at Forteviot, not far from Scone in Pictish territory, and was buried on the island of Iona.

Generally Irish people don’t get the Lowland Scot and the Anglo Saxon influence in Scotland.

At the time of the Referendum folk would come up to me in the street and say, ” I’m really sorry your country didn’t get it’s freedom. We stayed up to watch the results.”

I’d to explain the background and why some of Irish descent opted for the Union.

McCaff

Good stuff, Bobby. You could also have added in the chants and posters about Child Abuse and chants about deceased former Celts to your list. TGM…I agree with you to an extent but whatever your thoughts are about either half of the “Old Firm”, your term definitely not mine, it is absolutely clear that the supporters of RFC/TRIFC/SEVCO/NEWCO or however they are known are a shocking indictment of the worse aspects of society. The fact that they are permitted to be so is incredulous. I get that there is an element of the Celtic support that persistently lets us down but the mob form the other side of the city is just that, a mob who operate at mob levels with a mob attitude. Neither am I sure I agree with Bobby’s sentiment of them being “usually pleasant people”. Their is a real undercurrent of superiority and violence across the world today in politics…the mob from Ibrox are Scotland’s exponents of it. There is no “Old Firm” when it comes to their behaviours, they are in a class of their own.

Bawheid

The Ulster Scots: Every year I participate in the same wee dance. Phone up Glasgow Council and complain about the not so funny marchers, every year I get the same answer “sorry caller but our hands are tied”. They quote Article 12 – The EU Charter of their THEIR fundamental right of “Freedom Of Assembly”. It isn’t Fun but it is Mental and what about our Freedom?

In 2019 before the covid years, they marched through Scottish towns and cities 414 times, more even than in the north of Ireland.
So we prepare for “Just Another Saturday”, remember that play?

Someone even said to me that they would all move south when Ireland becomes united, you must be kidding because Scotland is their spiritual home. The Ulster Scots, the virus that lives within us, welcome to the 17th. century.

The Gombeen Man

Thanks CFC,

The Irish Census has an innovation this time.

A Time Capsule.

It’s a box where you can write a message for your descendants. The box is sealed for a 100 years.

I’m torn between…

“Have Sevco paid they’re bills yet?”

Or…

“Is Kris Boyd still talking s***e?”

I just can’t let go either…

Till Later,

Have a good day all.

It was good to see the photos of yesterday…

McCaff

Would the REAL Gombeen Man step forward and reveal yourself…aha, there you are…🤣🤣🤣
The Gombeen Man
Thanks CFC,
The Irish Census has an innovation this time.
A Time Capsule.
It’s a box where you can write a message for your descendants. The box is sealed for a 100 years.
I’m torn between…
“Have Sevco paid they’re bills yet?”
Or…
“Is Kris Boyd still talking s***e?”
I just can’t let go either…
Till Later,
Have a good day all.
It was good to see the photos of yesterday…

Just joking, of course!

The Gombeen Man

McCaff

There’s that darker side.🤣🤣

Enjoy your day.

McCaff

And you, ya durty Fenian B…😂🤣😂

Saltires en Sevilla

Bobby – very interesting. Got to agree with McCaff we are fundamentally different , yes we have our dark side too but generally we aren’t mob minded with a might is right mob-handed mindset.

More great chat with CFC and The Gombeen Man – time capsule idea is going to be a hoot

Billybhoy – a great blog yesterday buddy – hope you gave more planned

Prestonpans bhoys

This new hun creation from 2012 is easily the most toxic brand I’ve seen in my time. Now that’s saying something when you consider what they were like in the 70’s and 80’s😕

McCaff

I know I’m not alone in thinking how the hell do they manage to get away with so much! All of the things Bobby writes about, and the list is much longer than that, and they scare and terrorise with impunity. Ordinary folks going about their business, people changing plans so as not to get caught up in whatever they fear might happen, the Glasgow Subway is a no-go on matchday, the city centre is a no-go on Walk Day. The behaviours on Sunday were a microcosm of modern life with Newco. Surely to God someone has to call THEM out instead of lumping ALL football fans together! Surely?

Noel Skytrot

Same old same and until an open and honest debate is had around sectarianism etc sadly its going to remain.

On a brighter note, its the anniversary of the demise of the Grantham Devil. In the dirt you fucking bitch.

McCaff

Good to see you on, Noel. There is no debate required around law-breaking. The law is written and should be enforced. There is a fear of upsetting a certain element of our society but whilst they go around, unchecked, causing havoc the rest of us follow the law of the land. Scottish Government and Police Scotland continue to neglect their duty of care to all citizens whilst pandering to the mob. And that’s before we even begin to discuss the cowards at the SFA/SPFL and Celtic and TRFC too, of course.

Saltires en Sevilla

Thanks to everyone for taking time to travel and helping us celebrate The 130th Anniversary.To Davy for setting his place up and making everyone welcome Emma for helping with food an Alan for Pakora … delicious .. Cheryl for a gorgeous cake that will be opened on the actual day!! If we can keep everyone off it 😅

John the Guitarist ( whistle .. or was it a flute)…) for brilliant entertainment all day and for the Berwick Song … how does he remember the words?! magical stuff buddy – thanks!

Great bunch of lads and you all made it a special day. We hope to see you all next year for the First League Flag Anniversary…

Magua – Mrs SeS said thanks again for choccies, very thoughtful buddy. The books will keep me very busy …

CCB- great you met an old colleague – John and I have many daytime chats about the Celts and he has great stories. Can I just say fair play to you for coming all that way .., hoping I have as much lust for life when I’m in my late 90’s .😉. as Leggy an BRRB said … yer some man!

Martin look after yer dad big fella, he is a real gem!

Craig it was good to see you too buddy…keep those poems coming.

HH

Noel Skytrot

McCaff, I hope your well sir. I can’t get on here as often as I would like due to changing jobs.

I agree wholeheartedly with the aforementioned from yourself around why others adhere to the law and societal norms yet they don’t. The question is why ?

The Scottish administration condemns them but they’re empty platitudes as no real, concrete action is taken. The judiciary, absolute joke, and the half arsed schemes and statements that the Ibrox PR machine rolls out are pitiful. The footballing authorities, Scottish media is riddled with bigots and carpetbaggers who simply don’t care. We could list more reasons but its a tad depressing when you look deep.

I wish they just admit it and tell us we’re not wanted here.

Can agree with all of that BMCUWP and your frustration as to why nothings done, but it seems to me that no one is willing to acknowledge that there is a problem with anti-Irish racis/anti-RC bigotry in Scotland (despite the long and well documented history of the inglorious past) and until that changes there will be no progress.
I can access educational aid from Government on anti- black, muslim, jewish, gay, trans..you name it prejudice but can not get anything on anti-Irish racism.
Recently when researching Irish navvy prejudice in Victorian Britain, I found that schools in England can read of anti-Irish navvy threats in Kinghorn Fife as part of the school sylabus but in Fife we can’t!
Scots Omerta.
IHMO

McCaff

A fine point, Tom!

McCaff

…but the issue remains that if the various responsible agencies fulfilled their duties this would not be an issue.

Noel Skytrot

Tom,
don’t be silly there is no anti-Irish sentiment prevalent in Scotland, that’s been consigned to the dustbin of history. We’re all Jock Tamson’s bairns in this new, wonderful, multicultural and diverse Scotland. Feel my sarcasm Tom. Lol

Andy Pandy 2

Little story from today. Went out this morning full of the joys, buying a new set clubs, full fitting service, treating myself. Turned up an hour early, no problem, top bloke, sorts me out, great conversation, few extra tips on my swing, sorted. Sale made. I happened to be wearing a t shirt with a club badge, so guy asked about the league, gave him my usual answer “not counting my chickens, I’ve seen too many strange things”, he laughed, days I’m too cautious,bit like my swing!! He leaves me to serve someone else and another member of staff comes along from the store room, turns out he’s from Paisley, got a local accent, asks in me about the league, same answer. Out of the blue he says there’s a lot going on behind the scenes at Celtic, they’ll be saving their money for the court cases…..wtf…..took all my time not to ram the 7 iron where the sun don’t shine!!!! When I calmly pointed out that it wasn’t only Celtic he quietly moved on to do something else. Took the gloss off the whole morning. Was he of the dark side, I don’t know. Told this story, mainly to get it off my chest, but I suppose it reminds me that even living in Yorkshire there are still some idiots around.
Rant over. Thanks for reading, if you got to the end that is👍

jimthetim53

Wakey Wakey Leggy, time to put your donkeys on! 🙂

Bigrailroadblues

Jtt53 he’s sleeping on a bench in Central Station. 🤣

jimthetim53

BrrB, LOL 🙂 I once ‘slept’ on the pavement outside Central Station – the Taxi rank – when I was a teenager many many years ago. I had missed the last train home!

jimthetim53

A 32 yo man has been arrested for throwing a bottle at Ibrox. It was not mentioned if it was for the one thrown at the Celtic staff member who had to get stitches..

St tams

I gave up half way through Desmond interview.

Was like seeing Putin being interviewed

JimtheTim,

Media saying the guy arrested was the incident where the physio was struck with the bottle.
Reckon the guy is definitely looking at a Prison sentence,
It might depend if he has a previous conviction but I feel the Court will use this incident to send out a message.

jimthetim53

Corkcelt, that’s even better if it’s the guy who struck our physio. Hope they throw the book at him.

Prestonpans bhoys

Magua

That’s my ‘to Lisbon and back on a fiver’ arrived. Need to take my time as I can go through 85 pages very quickly. I think a number of 70+ year olds on the bus will be having a read too👏

Prestonpans bhoys

And Friday has got even better, my beer52 box has arrived, its all Irish. Hazy IPA from Dundalk @ 5.5%👍👏

jimthetim53

How can a favourite – Bravemansgame – come in last in a 4 horse race, beaten by 30 lengths. I feel cheated!!!

Afternoon all.

Just about recovered from yesterday’s festivities in Johnston, again thanks to all involved, it was quite simply a brilliant day.

SeS, Martin loved your comments, he said to me, ‘Dad, it’ amazing that you have discovered an amazing group of friends on an internet site, all who have a deep love of Celtic’.

HH
Brian.

Big Audio Dynamite

That’s ONE tosser been found? Joe Hart one? The physio one? The players one? Or, a.n. other??, only another 4 or 5 (pick a number) to find. With all the concurrent Investigations & Probes the police must be running in relation to the deadies, they must be run off their feet.

And THEY apologised privately?? Hmmm! Since the events of 2012, I really struggle to believe a single word either of you say.
Stand alone ..my ass ..thick as thieves more like!

Margaret McGill

As Tims we suspected the game in Scotland was rigged against Celtic for over a century.
Then it came to pass and be proven it was rigged. It was bigoted, it was corrupt.
It should have been the end of the huns but naw they were reborn into this Scottish filth with the blessing of the PLC and the Mustachioed Macroom Miser and the status quo.
Worst of all from Tims. Its like understanding evolution takes 4 billion years of natural selection but you dont care because fundamentally your rigid belief system tells you the universe is only 6000 years old.
I suspect most Tims take their cues on life Forest Gump like.

BMCUW

A thought-provoking read indeed. I have drank and worked with many individuals in the past who would have supported the original Rangers. Some indeed were well known Orangemen/Loyalists. The point you made-namely that it the mob mentality that is responsible for their shameful behaviour-is well made. If anything the supporters of the current club playing out of Ibrox, are even worse than supporters of to original Huns…and that takes some doing. Desmond and Lawwell are greatly to blame for Sunday’s events. Their prioritising of the blue pound over common decency will damn them forever in the eyes of most Celtic supporters.

Jimthetim

Sorry for the late reply last night. I had a wee bit more than normal to drink yesterday…and with good reason. 😀 I read somewhere that the Huns did not have one shot on target yesterday. Hopefully this sparkling form carried over into their next 3 games.

Saltires

Thanks again for such a wonderful day yesterday. To all involved in the organising a quite wonderful day… thank you. It was a real pleasure to meet your family. They are wonderful people. Speaking of wonderful people, thanks again to all who attended yesterday. You all made the day special.

Prestonpans bhoys

I have no doubt that you will enjoy the book.

BelmontBrian63

Amen to that Brian. Thanks to your big pal for the lift. I had a wee bit of a lie in this morning. After getting back to the flat, I still made room for quite a few more beers. Sure it would have been a crime to waste them.

Some outstanding posts as always today. You always set such a high bar for the rest of us. Your post at 0913 really cracked me up. 😀

Hail Hail.

Auto-correct is doing my feckin’ box in today. At least that’s my excuse. 😀

Big Audio Dynamite

The FIRST time we played Sevco we should have asked (very publicly) the football authorities – Who are we playing this week? Rather than do that, we printed programmes that said we were facing Rangers and charged people accordingly (£50 was it??)
So harping on now about being stand alone and constantly saying Glasgow derby instead of OF, just looks and sounds fucking pathetic!!

Used to get angry when other Scottish football fans would lump us both together …I don’t anymore.

Big Audio Dynamite

BAD

You’re 100% correct. The events of 2012-16 still enrage me, when I can be bothered to think about them.

Hail Hail.

Awe Naw

McCulloch: I´m looking in the dictionary here Dermot and it says, curtail: to stop something before it is finished, or to reduce or limit something: Is it fair to say then that we as a club intervened to rescue the Old Firm brand in 2012 “before it is finished” and that all we ever wanted was to “reduce and limit” our Old Firm partners by them being financially handicapped So do they have 51 titles or one?

You´re fired.

Leggy

Just checked and I picked all my horses this morning and sure I sent them !!!!

But on checking, there is nothing there.

Ahh well, as they say, tomorrow is another day 👍👍

CFC

M McG

You really don’t think much of the Celtic support do you? To lump however many You decide are unworthy as low IQ simple folk smacks of elitism and Hun trolling nonsense.

Why do you bother?

DannyMac23

The best wee hun loving country in the world if so affiliated.How many Orange walks throughout the land?
Cross section of society in professional decision making positions that are of that persuasion or like minded?This is a hun country.We are a constant source of angst and hatred that gives direction and vindication to their poison and venom.

If they did not have us to hate and discriminate against they would turn against each other.They have previous.

Just keep beating The Rangers on the park.Seems to hurt the most obviously in a football sense.Every league title,every cup erode their most successful clubs(2) in the world lies and be the better club.Do what we do and put them in their place.They rejoice in their we are the Peepol stance we are superior,truth is they know we know we are better people and our team has never been liquidated ,never died but they have to hold onto something,a way of life?

TGM

You could save me a few quid in counselling sessions.

HH

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