New Signings Are Best When We Know They Fit

Morning,all.

We are just over a week away from a big cut-off point,the 15th of June which heralds the opening of the transfer window. This is clearly an important day for the continuing rebuilding process begun a year ago under Ange and Dom,as there is still work to do. But the main part of the work around that big date is that which has to be done prior to the opening of the transfer window.

Celtic have,until that date, the right to exercise their options to buy Jota and CCV. Miss that deadline,and the vultures will be hovering. Both players have had outstanding seasons with us,and each of them has given positive vibes about making their moves permanent. So is it a concern that as per usual,Celtic are pushing the envelope on finalising the signings,or is it just a case of dotting the occasional i,crossing the odd t?

Past experience suggests that we could be very close to pulling defeat from the jaws of victory here. I don’t know,of course,what the hold up is,but I reckon there may well be some fault on both sides,a matter of wage structure at Celtic coming up against the brick wall of expectations of young players expecting a contract commensurate with their opinions of their abilities.

Both players,as I said,have had an outstanding season with us,but each of them might do well to consider where they were less than a year ago. Celtic have given them a chance to shine,to show the footballing world what they have been missing as they were forced to showcase their talents by being shunted out to lowly teams barely worthy of their time. We gave them a platform,and they proved worthy of it,and then some.

But if CCV and Jota are being tempted by bigger offers from elsewhere,if maybe their parent clubs are also being tempted by bigger offers from elsewhere-and perhaps offering a cut of that extra profit to the player-there’s not a lot we can do about it. Yes,we have first dibs until a week tomorrow by offering the parent club the pre-agreed price,but that is entirely dependent on offering the player an acceptable package. There is no obligation on us to buy,nor on the player to accept. The only obligation is for the parent club to agree to the sale if we meet that price and the player wants to move.

Now,you might have noticed in the fifteen years or so of my comments on various Celtic sites that I can be somewhat critical of what I perceive as parsimonious penny pinching by the board,attempting to chisel players or clubs out of a dime while we ignore the potential big bucks available if we simply coughed up nearer to the asking price. But are either or both of these players really worth exorbitant wages,way more than the rest of the squad?

Is it likely that paying that to them will affect the morale in the squad,and is it a price worth paying? Sadly,I think the answers are yes and no,in that order. But there is a way around it,one which I have advocated before-particularly with VVD and Moussa. Sign them within the wage structure and offer them a percentage of the profit from a future sale. That means that the players have a huge incentive to continue to show their worth to the wider game and the club wins on both fronts.As does the player.

Sadly,I cannot see that happening,certainly not in such a short timeframe. So it looks as though Ange will be looking for more replacements this summer than he had originally thought were necessary. Welcome to our world,Ange. This is Celtic,a club not known for building from strength.

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Above article by BMCUWP

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Charlinick

You’re depressing me and it’s only 1am, probably because you’re right but I was hoping for something different this summer as we can’t fall back ( thank god) on Bitton at emergency CH

Chris

‘Is it likely that paying that to them will affect the morale in the squad,and is it a price worth paying? Sadly,I think the answers are yes and no,in that order’
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I’ve read this argument in the past, where players earning more than others at the club is a supposed problem.
To be honest, it’s nonsense.
Every workplace in the land and every club all over the world has people on different rates and salaries, but Celtic throw this argument out when it’s convenient.
As arguments go, it’s about as lame as possible for reasons for getting star players not to sign.

CFC

If neither want to stay for CL football and a fantastic opportunity to showcase their talents then we move on. Any ambitious player would grab that chance. However, if cash is king then they’ll move on- in all likelihood to a team with a much more sterile support and prospects of winning nothing. Hoping for the VVD route to success.

Agreements can be structured in the players’ favour re sell on clauses.
CCV and Jota are both young enough to wait for an even bigger move.
A 2/3 year successful stay and they move on to a top team with our blessing.

Chris

‘Is it likely that paying that to them will affect the morale in the squad,and is it a price worth paying? Sadly,I think the answers are yes and no,in that order’
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I’ve read this argument in the past, where players earning more than others at the club is a supposed problem.
To be honest, it’s nonsense.
Every workplace in the land and every club all over the world has people on different rates and salaries, but Celtic throw this argument out when it’s convenient.
As arguments go, it’s about as lame as possible for reasons for getting star players not to sign.

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Also, every player who has been signed by Celtic from another club, which is nearly every other player at the club, would have played for clubs whose players would been on different salaries.
Another reason is that the star players normally make the difference be it goals scored or created, which in turn then provides win bonuses, trophies and entrance to European competition, which also gives the squad additional earnings.
Lesser players aren’t daft as they know that the star players are the reason for all their additional earnings.

CFC

Chris

The issue may well be not so much the fact they want to earn the best they can, but they want to earn a wage beyond sensible club parameters.
I imagine our top earner is Calmac on upwards of £30k per week.
At a club like ours there is obviously a ceiling.

Twisty

Morning all
Thanks to all who posted their condolences on the passing of my uncle. As McCaff referred to, I’d posted a couple stories on here about him before, mentioning just what a kind gentleman he was.
Jack was born on 13th February 1928, and passed away on Sunday, aged 94 years. He spent his final years in a care home, and was quite ill for the latter part of his life, but the majority of it had been lived in good health.
Having been born there, he was a Dunfermline supporter. He married my dads sister, so from that point he’d always keep an eye on the Celtic results, supporting them in any match they played, other than of course when they met Dunfermline.
They moved from Fife in the early 60’s to the village where the majority of our family lived, to move into my grandads house to look after him. He’d lost a leg in a coal mine accident, and needed cared for.
Indeed when the lions triumphed in 67, one of the first places they visited with the big cup was our wee village for the CSC annual dance, and I still have the framed photograph of my grandad with several of the lions crowded around him.
My grandad died in July 67 only a few weeks after that occasion.

Jack was such a kind and patient man. A real gentleman. As a kid, I possessed a transistor radio. You’ll remember the type I’m sure. Took a square PP3 battery. ( remember those- how many of you put your tongue on the terminals to show yer pals how tough ye were😁)
Anyway that radio went with me on a Saturday afternoon to listen to the football, but the design of that daft plastic connector that plugged in to the battery was forever breaking, which would see me head straight to Jacks house, whereby he’d get his soldering iron out and repair it for me.
Most would be thinking ‘ oh not again’ but as I say, he was such a patient man it was never a problem for him to fix it for me.

I told the story before on here which most typified just how patient a man he was.
Jack worked as an electrician in Rosyth docks. He’d been in the navy prior to that.
He’d a passion for the horse racing too. On occasion, he’d leave my aunt a line to put on at the bookies for him when he was at work. 3 doubles and a treble- (or a 3 cross as we used to refer to it)

When I got married I’d no house so my wife and I moved in with Jack and my aunt for a few months. As we were chatting one night Jack told me about one day in particular, whereby he’d left his line for my aunt to put on. He said he’d listen to the racing results on a radio whilst he worked.
On the day in question he said to his workmate after the first set of results were read out on the radio “ my first horse just won”.
Now I can’t recall the price but I do recall it was long odds. Say 10’s or 12’s. The second obliged as well, again at good odds, as did his third and final selection.
He was looking at a very handsome return. Certainly the equivalent of thousands in todays terms. He always referred to my aunt as “doll”.
He comes in from work and says “ you’ll never guess doll, those 3 horses I left you to put on today, all won. We’ve won a lot of money”

Her response was “ oh I’d no time today to go putting bets on”

She hadn’t placed the bets.

My reaction to my own wife doing something like that would need to be broadcast after the watershed, but his reaction truly summed up the man he was.

He simply said “ oh deary dear”. That was it. How many of us can honestly say we’d be so understanding!

That’s how he’ll be remembered by those who knew and loved him. A kind patient man who knew what really mattered in life.

My own thoughts now are with my youngest son who not only spent most of his childhood in and around his beloved aunt and uncle, and indeed cared for my aunt throughout her final days 8 years ago, then cared for Jack throughout his later life. Despite us all knowing the inevitable was around the corner, it’s devastated him, but he should be proud of the part he played in their lives, knowing they will now rest in peace together again.

Anyhow thanks again to those who took the time to register their kind condolences. It meant a lot.

CFC

Twisty

My condolences- Jack was obviously a kind and decent man. A sad loss.

Leggy

Good morning all,

Twisty,

That’s a lovely story about your uncle Jack.

My condolences on your loss and may Jack RIP 🙏🙏🙏

St tams

Twisty
Condolences, on the passing of your uncle.

Bobby, got to agree, that it’s looking unlikely that either of them will sign.

I’m sure , son of Lawwell will have a couple of names in his wee black book. 🤔

Friesdorfer

Twisty
Fine words, RIP Jack.
YNWA HH

Friesdorfer

BMCUWP
I tend to the view of being hopeful on the CCV and Jota front. The transfer window opens on 15th June I believe, so we’ll soon know either way. Hope you and CCB are now home safe.
HH

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

TWISTY

Some fond memories of clearly a warm and influential man. I remember how proud you were of C1888 during your aunt’s final months,and it is to his credit that he has done so again.

McCaff

Morning all, thanks Twisty for the story about Jack, writing it must have brought back so many memories!

McCaff

Not sure if CCV has the same desire to return as Jota has – this wee guy seems to be a one-man PR Department for Celtic…
https://videocelts.com/2022/06/blogs/latest-news/holiday-bhoy-jota-stuns-local-celtic-fans/

BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS

FRIESDORFER

Finally home late last night,thanks to being picked up by my brother in law. Long dull day,though hardly likely to mar an excellent weekend. Grateful thanks once again to those who made it so.

Bumped into G1998 at the airport last night! Small world,indeed. His flight to Faro had been cancelled. Just crazy stuff there.

CORKCELT

Twisty, Lovely stories about your Uncle who certainly seems one of those unsung heroes, May he Rest in Peace,

Regarding Transfer Window, this is annual panic time, We had 2 successful Windows last year under Ange & Nicholson, I think there is a new dynamic at the Club and am confident that it will be carried forward next Season.
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CCV & Jota & their Agents will already be fully aware of outside Clubs interest & potential wages available.
Like all Supporters I want them to sign on dotted line sooner rather than later but if they don’t, they will be replaced,

Already we have been linked to about 2 dozen players, odds are that is all about Agents doing their job & getting their players names up in lights for potential buyers,
All the speculation etc can be fun and gives something to talk about until the Football returns but in the end its about trusting Ange & trusting Nicholson to back him,

Twisty

Thanks again all for kind words.

Bobby – geez – astonished you remembered that. 8 years and 1 day ago that was!!

Moving on- I see BJ considered last night confidence vote “ a good result”

Man is on a planet of his own, though again, he’s lying and clearly cannot see that as being a good result. It’s in his DNA to lie and cheat his way through life. Listening to his father talk, another buffoon. Apple clearly never fell far from the tree in this case.

I think it might well be a good result though not for the reasons he does. If he survives until the next election, Labour will never have a better chance of victory.

As for red card Ross- I appreciate we are all entitled to change our opinions, but usually that’s after being presented with new information. Ross has been on both sides of the fence at least 3 times.

Leggy

Corkcelt,

Totally agree.

Celtic say to Jota and CCV, there’s our offer, we need an answer now. If it’s rejected, fine, thanks for the memories, and move on. End of !!!!!!!!

Also, try and move on the “Deadwood” which might be difficult in some cases as the wages might be a stumbling block, but I’m sure a compromise could be reached.

All this crap in the papers about possible signings is, well actually crap, because I’ll wait till a scarf is held above a player’s head and official confirmation he’s signed by the club.

Ps
What about the Antichrist, aka Judas I hear you shout ?????
Don’t go there 😡😡😡😡

Enjoy your day everyone ☀️☀️

SeS

Twisty

That’s a fantastic way to remember a loved one

Wishing you all well buddy.

SeS

TWISTY:
The pain subsides, slightly, through the years, but, the memories just get better and better.

por cierto

Craig76

Twisty
Condolences on the loss of your uncle 🙏

Craig76
Frodshambhoy

Twisty
Condolences on the loss of your uncle.
Lovely heartwarming post earlier.

On CCV and Jota.
I’d push the boat out for Jota. He is a match winner, a game changer. Scores and makes goals.

CCV has been good but at the cost of forcing Starfelt to play out of his favoured position. Not sure why but I still have some niggling doubts that CCV is the real deal. I don’t see him as the most mobile of players. I’d be happy if he stays but not if we need to pay stupid money for his signature.

Craig76
CFC

Craig76 11.12am

Loved this extract from the article.
Another who ya kidding statement from the Huns.

“Rangers is committed to operating its business in full compliance with all laws, including competition law, and treats this matter very seriously.”

bada bing1

Twists- condolences to you and yours, loved the PP3 reference…..

Craig76

CFC
There in no way they wrote that part with a straight face

A thing of beauty

Popped in for a quick visit when I should be working and twisty has me almost in tears about his uncle Jack. Family is everything right enough. Thanks twisty.

A thing of beauty

Celtics place confirmed in the lowland league for next season. I’d prefer a proper reserve league but it is what it is.

Rebus67

Twisty,

That was a fine tribute to Jack. The real mark of a successful life is if you are able to provoke a tribute like that. Jack was clearly a fine person not least because he is remembered for the fine characteristics of patience and kindness.

Rebus

Rebus67

Bobby,

I do not think we can read too much into the silence on Jota and CCV. They and Celtic are on holiday after a long season.

Rebus

JimmynotPaul

Twisty.
As many have said, a fine tribute, indeed.💚💚

JimmynotPaul

Craig 12.48.
Thanks buddy, it does interest me, indeed.
It also really pisses me off.
From a Celtic point of view, it’s nowhere near the level our young players, should be playing against.
From a follower of further down the pyramid football, as I am, some in the Lowland League are a disgrace, a self preservation society, only interested in money, then again why should they be any different from the elite teams.
Originally Lowland League 16 teams, asked to increase to 18 to help the Pyramid move quicker and allow progressive teams like Auchinleck, Pollok, Clydebank etc better, quicker opportunities to progress.
They said no, 16 was their preferred number.
Along come the Old Firm ( yes that’s who came along ) we will pay your league money, if you allow us in, aye no problem, stuff the teams in West, East and South Premier, the league’s below in the pyramid.
Then this season, can Hearts join the Old firm, Lowland League say no, Old Firm and Hearts come back, with an offer of even more money and are all accepted.
So now 19 teams, in a league where the Lowland League said 16 was their preferred number.
Of course, Old Firm and Hearts are not a threat to them, as their league positions don’t count and they are giving them money, a win/win.
Whereas Auchilnleck, Pollok, Clydebank, Darvel would all be challenging for the title and also the knock on effect that some in Lowland League, would be in greater danger of relegation.
Pyramid only works if there is proper relegation and promotion, of course Lowland League suffer from this also, in that, there is no automatic relegation/promotion from Division 2, that is shocking also.
Lowland League have to play winners of Highland League and winners of that play button of Division 2, to decide if any promotion/relegation.
4 teams have now been relegated from Division 2.
East Stirling, Berwick, Brechin( Highland League) and Cowdenbeath.
My hope is that these teams start to put pressure on others to open it up more, because they will all struggle to be promoted, again, unless it becomes more progressive.

Twisty

Once again, thank you all for your heartwarming condolences.
I have to say though, my son has just informed me I got the age wrong. I was convinced Jack was born in 1928 but I’m very reliably informed it was 1927 and he was 95 years old.

If he’s reading this now I know what he’ll be thinking …. deary dear 😁

JimmynotPaul

Craig.
Follow up to my earlier post.
“Following a positive vote”, understand member clubs were split 8-8, hardly an endorsement of the proposal! Chair have the casting vote?
Unfortunately @OfficialSLFL is the blocker to a working pyramid & @ScottishFA should be representing ALL members at Tier 6 & below to sort it.
Also something else, I missed, how on earth is this fair to the Highland League?
The Lowland league are receiving additional funding, from these 3 teams to accommodate them.
Yet the Highland League winners have to play Lowland League winners, for a chance of promotion

BMCUW

To be perfectly honest, if neither player wants to stay with us, then I would wish both well in the future. If either-or both-decide to stay, then I will be absolutely delighted. We could do with a wee bit of continuity, after all the chopping and changing of the team during Blue Peter’s reign.

Twisty

Your Uncle Jack seemed to be one of life’s gentle souls, who was a great inspiration to all your family. May the good Lord give you and your family-particularly your youngest son-the strength to get through this sad time.

Craig76

Someone at STV obviously went off message there. That’ll be yet another media outlet banned from the debt-dome.

JNP

I’m surprised that clubs in leagues below the Lowland League, have not taken legal action, in protest at clubs being admitted to said league, when there are obviously more deserving cases to be considered. Then again, those board members within the PLC at Celtic Park, have always been strangers to alien concepts, such as honour, honesty and integrity.

Hail Hail.

Prestonpans bhoys

Twisty
Just catching up on SC, sorry to hear about your uncle but what a great story you wrote about him👍

TWISTY
Condolences on the loss of your uncle.

TWISTY

Your son sounds like a gem.

McCaff

JNP and Craig…my opinion on the state of the Youth game has been the same since the demise of the Reserve League. The Reserve League was the perfect grounding for youth players to try to establish themselves in the first team squad as they were playing with and against experienced pros trying to get into the first team or getting match fitness after injury. The old Rangers under the care of Sir Murray, decided in their pursuit of Champions League glory that the Reserve League was a waste of resources. A couple of clubs agreed and that was that. I spoke to a mate a while back about this, he was an ex QP Youth coach bemoaning the lack of quality players we’re producing as a country, and hadn’t given the lack of a reserve league any consideration whatsoever! For me though, it’s been a no-brainer for years, the reinstatement of the Reserve League should be a priority.

16 Roads

See people debate about modern football,and the football players from years ago – if they could cope with the game today.
Watched that CL final again – fair enough, Madrid had Luka Modric in midfield but lpool simply don’t have a midfielder of that style and calibre,ya know like a Pirlo type.
I state, without a shadow of a doubt that peak Paul McStay could walk onto any team on the planet.
This the year 2022.
Intelligence,guile, elegance, vision, class – you name it.
Paul McStay broke the mould.
HH. 🍀🏆

Celtic Champs Elect

Twisty my condolences to you and your family and RIP Jack

McCaff

…and he started in the Reserve League, 16 Roads!! 🤣

16 Roads

Was having a wee yarn with One Malloy the other day,we were discussing the Lions and he reckons that Bobby Murdoch was the heartbeat of the team.
Never seen him play, unfortunately.
However surely the same would apply.
Danny McGrain?
A machine.
Football has become a science nowadays, therefore I fail to see how those players wouldn’t also thrive in today’s environment,diet conditioning and all the other nonsense.
HH.🍀🏆

Bigrailroadblues

James Edward McGrory(1904-1982). Glasgow Celtic 1922-1937. Still the greatest goalscorer in UK history 85 years after he retired.

https://images.app.goo.gl/KiDdZusHZcQ9wi8r6

big packy

MAGUA, think you asked me a while back about what games stuck in my mind, obviously all the home games leading up to the big cup final, especially vojvodina, seeing johan cruyff playing against celtic at hampden, watching eusebio and his benfica team at parkhead ,but the Ibrox disaster game in 1971 still sticks in my mind all these years later, it was a dull dreich day in glasgow and the football was not much better, when jimmy scored me and my cousin peter left to go to our supporters bus, then an almighty roar, can still hear it now,we knew they had scored ,then a silence and i mean silence, then all of a sudden sirens going off, now dont get me wrong there were always sirens going off in these games whether at Ibrox or celtic park but this was different, cant really explain it, but it was the sheer number of sirens that ill never forget,,and that is a true story,hope you are well pal,HAIL HAIL

16 Roads

An absolute icon McCaff.
Fair enough some of us probably weren’t around when the Lions were demolishing all who stood against them,but I’m sure most of us have seen the Maestro playing football.
Strolled it,made the game look simple.
Always reminded me of one of those NFL quarterbacks, looking around, making time in the midst of chaos.
That’s footballing intelligence personified.
HH. 🙂🍀🏆

McCaff

Totally agree, R16, my all-time favourite ‘Tic player. Modelled myself on him…but only got as far as the dark curly hair!! 😳

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