15th June……if you know your history

91 Years ago in Summer of 1931 our Bhoys are still Touring USA with the Scottish Cup

Picking up a wee notion that there is a bit of aggro in these games.

Last week it was a broken jaw and police escorts off the pitch

Last (Monday) night in the eighth game ( 4 wins & 3 defeats) of the tour, 4 players were sent off in a rowdy 1-1 draw

Smoking Cigars and Holding hands …On the Tour Boat to USA 1931

1931-06-14: Hakoah 1-1 Celtic, American Tour

On the eve of the game the New York Evening Post of 13 June carries a page headline of “Celtic to Battle Hakoah at Polo Grounds; Visitors Show Improvement.” and at the bottom of the page an advert states: “GANG RULE-New York Can Break Its Grip”

Despite the pre-match socialising between the two teams, courtesy of Jimmy Walker, the Mayor of New York, the match was anything but friendly and the man who would go on to be one of the game’s most successful managers, Bela Guttmann and Rudolph Nikolsburger (Hakoah), along with Charlie Napier and Peter Scarff (Celtic) were ordered off for fighting. Many of the Hakoah team were ex-Austrian/Hungarian internationalists, with New Yorker and USA internationalist Philip Stone and Englishman, George Moorhouse (1st Englishman to play in the World Cup), augmenting them in opposing Celtic.

The result of this drawn match and the standard of football were secondary to the reports of the trouble and the four sending-offs. One US newspaper wrote: “as to the roughness of play here Napier, Bert Thompson and McGonigle of the Celtics were far from shrinking violets. The way Napier kicked little Leo Greenfield’s legs from under him in the good will game gives the Celtic player the undisputed title of ‘a real shin-buster’”.

Hakoah was founded by members of the Austrian Jewish team of that name which had toured the USA, they were riding high in the USA having won the 1929 National Challenge Cup.

Review

The Scotsman – Thursday, 11th June 1931, page 15
CELTIC PLAYERS ENTERTAINED
NEW YORK, June 10.—The members of the Glasgow Celtic and Hakoah All Stars football teams were entertained by Mayor Walker yesterday. The “All Stars,” a local team composed of Jews, will meet the Celtic at the polo grounds on Sunday next.—Press Association.

“The Story Of The Celtic” (1938) By Willie Maley: “They [Celtic team] were by this time fairly well accustomed to the rough-and-ready conditions and to the inefficient referees, but the Hakoah lot were a different proposition. This team, I think, was made up of Jews, not that it made any difference, of course, but they appeared to have a way with them, as the referee did whatever he was told.”

Teams

HAKOAH: Lajos Fischer, Ludwig Grosz, Laszlo Sternberg, Philip Stone, Bela Guttmann, Pavel Mahrer, Josef Gruenfeld, Moritz Haeusler, Rudolph Nickolsburger, Siggy Wortmann, George Moorhouse.
Scorers: Nickolsburger.

CELTIC: John Thomson, Cook, McGonagle, Wilson, McStay, Whitelaw, Bertie Thomson, Alec Thomson, Scarff, Napier, Hughes.
Scorers: Napier.

Referee: James Walder (Philadelphia).
Attendance: 20,000.
Venue: The Polo Grounds, New York.

In other news:

Petition Against Orange Demonstrations. The Roman Catholic community of Carfin has petitioned the County Council of Lanark protesting against the permit given to Orange processions parading in the main street outside Carfin Grotto. Serious disorders attended the passing of a procession at Carfin a month or so ago. The Carfin petition will come before a Committee meeting of the County Council next week. The Carfin Grotto is in close vicinity to the main street. The Grotto forms a huge square containing many statues of the saints, sacred walks, and retreats for prayer. It is contended by the petitioners that the Orange processions are attended by such disorderly elements as to constitute a menace to the religious peace of the Roman Catholic community. The petition has excited great interest all over the West of Scotland, particularly in view of the Orange celebrations on the 12th of July. The Scotsman

General Stuff:

1219 Dannebrog is the flag of Denmark and the oldest national flag in the world. According to legend, it fell from the sky during the Battle of Lyndanisse (now Tallinn) in Estonia, and turned the Danes’ luck.

According to legend the Dannebrog fell from the sky during the Battle of Lyndanisse in 1219

1667 1st fully documented human blood transfusion is performed by French physician, Dr. Jean-Baptiste Denys, when a small amount of sheep blood is transfused into a 15-year old boy, who survives the procedure

1762 Austria uses 1st paper currency

1965 Bob Dylan records single “Like a Rolling Stone” (#1 in Rolling Stone magazine’s “500 Greatest Songs of All Time”)

Note: The excellent Celtic Wiki site is the font of all knowledge on things Celtic. Most of the Celtic stuff above is from that site. The guys who set it up and painstakingly keep it updated, deserve no end of credit, praise and thanks. A treasure trove for Celtic fans young and old – and new- and free to view.

Respect Bhoys !

http://www.thecelticwiki.com/m/

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thetic

I was in San Diego and visited the beautiful famous old Coronado Hotel.It was opened in 1888 I remembered reading somewhere probably CQN when I used to frequent that site ,that the Celtic touring team had stayed there many years ago. It was a great feeling knowing the Celtic had enjoyed this beautiful area. I will look up wiki to see if I can find mention of the tour
Auldheid I took your advice and visited https://positivepsychology.com/build-trust/ I read for over two hours,I made lots of notations, and then ended up bookmarking for future reading. I am on the West Coast of Canada we have an 8 hour time difference its hard for me to get into discussions, as you get up in the morning I am going to bed. But I always enjoy your postings . Well done Scotland ,discipline at that level is so important. the Celtic players and Celtic minded players showed well.

Cosy Corner Bhoy

As usual the recent articles are first class, albeit CCB has a biased view!😁. Forgot all about Royal Ascot so will be one day behind others. Might just pick a ‘Loud one’ in EVERY race and hope one stoats!
Pleasantly surprised by Scotland result but even more surprised by Hungary’s…. in fact, Deeelighted😁.
Looking forward to watching my recording of that game.
It’s going to be a long summer without football, but, for once there is a plus. No dodgy qualifiers for the Glasgow Celtic.
I also think there is a player in there in Gilmour. He can see a pass and needs better players around him who can take up the better positions. Agree with ATOB as well, there’s a surprise, he needs to get in the gym. The brain and energy are there already as is the only ‘frame’ he’s going to get…. Bulk it up which only needs dedication.

The Gombeen Man

SES,

Thanks for the article this morning.

Isn’t it bizarre how the DUP are democrats until the results don’t suit them? I hear that the EU are suing Britain for breaching her commitments in relation to Ireland.

Refugees to Rwanda? Stopped by the ECHR?

What a heartless shower governs the UK.

Anyway,

As mooted the other day, I’ve had the opportunity to have a more thorough look into the life of Mary Stuart-Crofts, the illegitimate daughter, from the alleged marriage of Charles II and Lucy Walter.

You may remember, Mary was the sister (or half-sister) of Charles’ acknowledged son the Duke of Monmouth, James Scott. Mary married William Sarsfield,the elder brother of Patrick Sarsfield, the Irish Brigadier-General.

Lucy Walter always maintained that both Mary and the Duke of Monmouth were Charles’ children. Importantly, Lucy contented that she had married Charles II.

Mary Stuart-Crofts and William Sarsfield had a daughter called Charlotte Sarsfield. She married a gentleman with the splendid name of Agmondisham Vesey.

That marriage produced a daughter called Ann Vesey.

Ann married Sir John Bingham, the 5th Baronet of Castlebar.

The Bingham line stretched to the murderous expoits in the West of Ireland of Sir Richard Bingham and his two brothers George and John.

Sir Richard’s excesses even caused consternation with the English. Amongst many outrages Bingham’s remembered for the massacre of approximately, 1,100 Scots at Ardnaree on the 23rd of September 1586.

Bingham’s army of about 200 horse and 800 foot soldiers made a surprise attack on the Scots who were trapped between the cavalry and the river. The Scots were driven into the flooded river and men, women, and children were drowned or shot. The bodies piled up on the riverbank or were swept downstream to the sea and still the massacre continued.

A report by one of Bingham’s officers tells the grim story. “ We did drown or kill, as we did judge, about the number of a thousand or eleven hundred for there did by swimming about a hundred escape, for we cannot this day get over the water to Tirawley to them for want of boats but truly, I was never, since I was a man of war, so weary with killing of men”.

In the West, Richard Bingham was known as “Bingham the Black.”…(In this context the term Black in Ireland refers to the sinister intent of the invader.)

‘Dire was the day when with rapine and plunder
Up from Roscommon rode Bingham the Black.
Castlemore shook to his cannonade’s thunder
Fell, a rich spoil, to his furious attack –
Fell, but anon with the swiftness of leven.
Flashed to its rescue Firoonail’s Red Hugh
Blasting its ramparts in ruin to heaven
So never Saxon might seize it anew.’

Sir Richard Bingham died in 1599. There’s a plaque in his honour in Westminster Abbey.

Richard Bingham’s nephew, George Bingham’s son, Henry became the first Baronet of Castlebar in 1632.

The marriage of Charles II descendant, Ann Vesey and Sir John Bingham, the 5th Baronet of Castlebar produced a son, Charles Bingham.

Charles Bingham became the First Earl of Lucan, by virtue of Patrick Sarsfield’s Jacobite title.

The detested Binghams lept from the ignoble world of the mercenary Tudor ‘Adventurer’ to Earldom.

Charles Bingham married, Margaret Smith, Margaret became the Countess of Lucan.

From here the DNA of Charles II and Lucy Walter, progresses from the ruthless Binghams to the Spencers of Althorp and eventually to Prince William and Harry.

Charles Bingham and Margaret Smith had four daughters and a son.

1) Their son, Richard became the 2nd Earl of Lucan. As a precursor for later developments in the Earldom of Lucan. The following illustrates the 2nd Earl of Lucan’s inauspicious sojourn into late 16th century parliamentary politics…

“Bingham’s parliamentary career was interrupted in August 1793 when he ran away to Wales with Lady Elizabeth Howard, to whom his attachment had been ‘of long standing’, though their parents had refused to consent to their marriage: she had been ‘turned out of doors’ by her husband on his account.”

https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1790-1820/member/bingham-hon-richard-1764-1839

Some two hundred years later, in November of 1974, another Richard Bingham, specifically :

Richard John Bingham, the 7th Earl of Lucan/Baronet of Castlebar, was to follow in his ancestor’s footsteps by ‘running away’ shortly after the death of Sandra Rivett.

A case that attracted global noteriety and put the name, Lord Lucan on the map.

To the Spencers of Althorp and the Windsors…

2) Charles and Margaret Bingham also had a daughter – Lady Lavinia Bingham.

Lavinia married extremely well. She married, The 2nd Earl Spencer; George Spencer.

This is really where our story takes off…

Lavinia becomes – The Countess Spencer. George inherits a fortune via the Duchess of Marlborough.

George Spencer was the principal beneficiary under the will of his great-grandmother Sarah Jennings, Duchess of Marlborough.

Sarah Jennings was one of the wealthiest women in Europe at the time. Her husband the Duke of Marlborough was a Churchill (those Churchills).

The Duke’s sister, Arabella Churchill had an affair lasting ten years with James II. It had produced the Duke of Berwick, James FitzJames. James married Patrick Sarsfield’s widow Honora Burke, while in exile.

Lavinia Bingham’s marriage to George Spencer produced the required male heir, Frederick and a number of other children.

(Among their children was, The Venerable Ignatius of St Paul or George Spencer.

George Spencer was formally declared “Venerable” by Pope Francis on 20 February 2021.)

Sadly, the emergence of the Venerable George Spencer wasn’t to be an indication of a moderation of the shortcomings of the Bingham gene.

The tragic Maamtrasna Murders of 1882 and subsequent miscarriage of justice was just around the corner.

This case has in recent years thrown the spotlight on the administration of justice by the British in Ireland and brought the name, Spencer to the forefront of the controversy.

This travesty led to the execution of Maolra Seoighe (Myles Joyce) and two other men, and a posthumous pardon by President Michael D Higgins in 2018.

Fabricated evidence, payments to witnesses, the unfair conduct of the trial in English (the accused were native Irish speakers). All under the auspices of The Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, John Spencer, 5th Earl Spencer, led to an outcry by British and Irish politicians.

Research carried out in the British archives by Seán Ó Cuirreáin, found that John Spencer “compensated” three alleged eyewitnesses to the sum of £1,250, equivalent to €157,000 (by 2016 rates).

The following are the words of President Michael D Higgins on 4th April 2018, when announcing Maolra Seoighe’s pardon.

“…the response for a request for clemency from the former occupant of this House, Earl John Spencer, The Lord Lieutenant, was refused. That plea included statements that had been given to the Governor of Galway Prison from Maolra Seoighe’s co-accused, who were also to be hanged, that he had played no part in the murders.

While such testimony by those who had nothing to gain, might have been expected to secure a commutation of the sentence, the reply in this case, sent by telegram from this house, was “The law must take its course”. Earl Spencer had, after all, paid handsomely for perjured witness testimony to secure Maolra Seoighe’s conviction.”

https://www.president.ie/en/media-library/speeches/oraid-an-uachtarain-ar-ocaid-do-phardun-mhaolra-seoighe

(The process of marriages and births among the Spencers, the web of connections to the highest in the military, politics and business continues, for a couple of generations…)

While the Spencer clan were engaged in the fabrication of evidence leading to the execution of an innocent man, the Earls of Lucan, the Binghams were busy turning the lives of the ordinary folk of Connaught and further afield into misery.

It’s worth briefly re-considering the exploits of George Bingham, the 3rd Earl of Lucan.

He was instrumental in the order – ‘Charge!!’ at the Charge of the Light Brigade in 1854.

For that moment of genius George was promoted to Field Marshall…

George Bingham, Field Marshall and 3rd Earl of Lucan was known in Mayo as –

“The Exterminator.”

At the lowest point in An Gorta Mór… Bingham’s remembered for shouting,

“I would not breed paupers to pay priests,”

‘He proved his point by demolishing over 300 homes and evicting 2,000 people in Ballinrobe between 1846 and 1849. He even insisted on closing the workhouse in Castlebar at the height of the Famine.’

(From History Ireland, 2013…)

By we 1919 arrive at Albert Spencer, the 7th Earl Spencer, at this point there’s another marriage between the Spencer and Bingham dynasties.

This is where the second connection to Lucy Walter and Charles II comes in.

Albert married Lady Cynthia Hamilton.
Cynthia’s parents were James Hamilton the 3rd Duke Abercorn and Lady Rosalind Bingham.

James Hamilton was to become the first Governor of Northern Ireland from 1922-1945.

Rosalind Bingham was the daughter of Charles George Bingham the 4th Earl of Lucan.

The marriage of Albert, 7th Earl of Spencer and Lady Cynthia Hamilton produced two children.

Their son was, John Spencer, the 8th Earl Spencer/Viscount Althorp.

John Spencer married Frances Roache (better known as Frances Shand Kydd) daughter of the 4th Baron of Fermoy (Cork – another story) in 1954.

Their daughter, Diana married Charles, the Prince of Wales in 1981.

That marriage produced Prince William and Prince Harry.

In the last couple of weeks William attracted criticism due to the fact that he refers to the Irish Guards as ‘The Micks.’

Considering the ignominious crew in William’s lineage, deeply embedded anti-Irish racism is entirely in keeping with the dysfunctionality consistently displayed by his predecessors.

It’s a divine paradox really.

The colonisation of Ireland was to be achieved through the policy of promising what were called Adventurers; payment by way of land.

The Adventurers had the task of ruthlessly clearing huge areas of Ireland of it’s inhabitants. This policy attracted individuals with the most violent of temperaments.

Isn’t it deliciously ironic that, instead of simply clearing Ireland for plantation. The toxicity of the DNA of some of the worst of these Adventurers, wormed it’s way into the most prestigious Households in Britain?

The ultimate Own Goal.

Interesting times ahead.

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SALTIRES

Great stuff,as ever. That tour sounds like somebody declared war,and we decided to invade!

BRT&H did one of his excellent articles,via STRANDSKY TALES,about Bela Guttman. I tried to link it,but for some reason my laptop filtered it out under SAFESEARCH!

WTF,I thought? Never heard of it,so hit my settings,which seem to be open to receive all content. Not from BRT&H though. I think he should sue for defamation.

Jobo Baldie

Good morning,friends and thanks SeS for another history lesson. The USA newspaper report reminded me of a Twitter guy from the past, USA Soccer Guy who was really funny with references like ‘a headshot into the goal to make the points 1 to nil’. Wonder what happened to him?

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THEGOMBEENMAN

Perfidious Albion at its best.

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Oh,and Like A Rolling Stone certainly deserved its place as the best song of all time. Dylan is a genius,as recognised even by The Nobel Prize committee,but he can be a nasty bit of work at times.

That song is hardly the most bitter of his catalogue,especially from that era in his early twenties when he rarely held back when having a go at ex-girlfriends. Or anything,come to that. But for the sheer pain of a break-up,entirely his own fault as he later admitted,look no further than Blood On The Tracks. An absolute masterpiece.

jimthetim53

Another great article SeS.

“The Story Of The Celtic” (1938) By Willie Maley: “They [Celtic team] were by this time fairly well accustomed to the rough-and-ready conditions and to the inefficient referees, but the Hakoah lot were a different proposition. This team, I think, was made up of Jews, not that it made any difference, of course, but they appeared to have a way with them, as the referee did whatever he was told.”

Sounds familiar re. referees!

The Gombeen Man

Jimthetim 53,

Great to see you back.

Willie Maley was at best the product of a different era, the victim of British military/Roman Catholic/Unionist
conditioning.

His statement may be out of context? But it’s unacceptable.

It’s interesting how the mindset of Willie Maley seems so different to Michael Davitt.

How things had changed.

During the events of the boycott in Limerick in 1904 of Jewish businesses incited by Fr John Creagh from the pulpit, it was Michael Davitt that spoke out against anti-Jewish sentiment in Ireland…

On learning that a Redemptorist priest in Limerick had delivered a virulent anti-Jewish sermon, Davitt said:

‘I protest as an Irishman and as a Catholic against the barbarous malignancy of anti-semitism which is being introduced into Ireland under the pretended regard for the welfare of the Irish people.’

The sermon had invited an outbreak of violence and a boycott of Jewish businesses.

In January 1938 when Bunracht na hÉireann (Construction if Ireland) came into effect a senior Irish rabbi, Dr A. Gudansky, said:

‘We Jews have, indeed, good cause to rejoice in the happiness and well-being of the Irish people, for in the words of the Psalmist: “our lives have fallen in happy places”. Providence, in its mercy, has thrown in our lot with a people whose creeds of faith and liberty shine forth brilliantly from the annals of its sad and glorious history—a people that may justly take pride in the fact that not a drop of innocent Jewish blood has ever been shed on its soil.’

– Thanks to the intervention of people like Michael Davitt.

The Gombeen Man

BMCUWPS,

Yes, same stuff just different dates.

Just replace James II with the Plc and it’s much the same thing…

I’m glad you made it back. It sounds like a good trip.

Great to see 16 Roads doing his fishes and loaves routine last night.

CCV got a 6 out of 10 Rating for the USA against El Salvador last night. A shaky start but improved apparently.

1-1 draw.

CCV got 8-10 v Grenada at the weekend.

Till later.

jimthetim53

The Gombeen Man, Cheers.

Your comment reminded me of the Good Friday Prayer for the conversion of the faithless, perfidius Jews! Various Popes since John 23rd have ammended it to be much less offensive. but it’s still there. Good Friday is all about the crucifiction of Jesus and the Catholic church over the centuries has laid the blame of His death on the Jews at the time. So yes there was a strong anti Jewish thing going about. Hopefully the Holocaust put an end to that. A hellish way to get rid of racism.

jimthetim53

That’s not to say I agree with everything Israel does! Def. not!

JimmynotPaul

Motherwell will face Bala Town or Sligo Rovers in the second qualifying round of the 2022/23 UEFA Europa Conference League.

The first leg will be at home on Thursday 21 July with the second leg to be played away on Thursday 28 July. https://t.co/p4FHqT6hin

Isn’t it great, not to be worrying about these early Euro draws?

JimmynotPaul

SES.
As ever, thank you for the article, another enjoyable read.

Rebus67

I see Davie Wilson, ex Rangers and Scotland left winger, passed away yesterday on my wife’s birthday.
He was one of an impressive crop of players that graced Scottish football in the sixties. Comparing that crop to those available to the national team today, illustrates the dramatic decline of our game.

Rebus

The Gombeen Man

Jimthetim,

Thanks Jim,

Whoever wrote the Gospels, the following is a small insight of what we ended up with.

Death toll in Crusades – 2-6m.

France,

Robert J. Knecht The French Religious Wars, 1562-1598 (2000):

Estimates number of deaths during the wars between 2,000,000 to 4,000,000.

Spain,

Estimates of the number killed by the Spanish Inquisition, which Sixtus IV authorised in a papal bull in 1478, have ranged from 30,000 to 300,000.

The Thirty Years’ War,

– A 17th-century religious conflict fought primarily in central Europe. It remains one of the longest and most brutal wars in human history, with more than 8 million casualties resulting from military battles as well as from the famine and disease caused by the conflict.

The war lasted from 1618 to 1648, starting as a battle among the Catholic and Protestant states that formed the Holy Roman Empire.

1641 – 1649, Around 4,000,000 (possibly 600,000) deaths in Ireland.

1690/1691. More Irish killed in one day in Aughrim than the Somme.

WWII. Pakistan/ India, Afghanistan, South America.
Israel/Palestine.

(Britain somehow plays a role in many of these tragedies.?)

It appears the human psyche and religious beliefs are a bit of a lethal cocktail.

There’s often underlying factors like ethnic conflict, racism, colonialism.

Greed, manipulation and exploitation.

Centuries of the enslavement of women.

All often justified by some Higher Authority or sacred text of course.

-The problem is in our inherent irrationality.

Back to that grindstone.

jimthetim53

Gombeen Man, yes that’s a grim read. After my post I read up on the Spanish Inquisition because I knew converted Jews were tried amongst others. That too is a shocking read.

St tams

SeS
Thanks for another great read.

Forgot all about the Ascot comp.
Other things on my mind just now .
Had to cancel a holiday to Turkey last Saturday, as wifes mother was taken into hospital on Thursday.

Then they send her home today.

Couldn’t make it up

Rebus67

TGM,

History is an interesting study since it captures both the zenith and nadir of human endeavour. It becomes more interesting when you personalise it by researching your ancestors and the times in which they lived. In my case, on my mother’s side, I am descended from gypsies who travelled back and forth from Cornwall to Northumbria. Originally they were from Ireland being Whartons. They had interesting names like Coronation and Bathsheba and Gilderoy. As to where in Ireland they originated, I do not know but I wonder if it is even relevant to ask.

One of them, Bathsheba married the son (James)of a farmer whose land they camped upon. He and his new wife left the land to open a coal business. I guess to fuel the industrial revolution. Eventually his son (also James)moved to Partick, Glasgow to run a coal business with his older brother. That is how I ended up in Scotland rather than in a Vardo travelling back and forth in England.

Several years ago when in Russia, I met an old gypsy woman outside the Church of the Spilled Blood in St Petersburg. We did not speak each others’ languages, but she looked into my eyes and knew me for what I am…..a didicoy, someone of diluted gypsy blood who appreciates the gypsy lifestyle.

Rebus

The Gombeen Man

Ach well Jim for all of my daily moans and groans, I (in this part of the world) really don’t have too much to complain about. When I stop to think about what our forefathers/mother endured.

That suffering was on virtually all sides.

There’s plenty of really good folk in churches too. Sometimes I just feel that we haven’t really evolved enough, as a species to appreciate what it can offer.

It’s like a dangerous piece of machinery in the hands of a child.

We tend to want to own it and believe it’s acquisition makes us better than the ‘other lot.’

Maybe that’s why Jesus disliked what the Pharisees were doing?

2,000+ later and we still don’t seem to get it.

Great to see you back.

Rebus,

That’s really interesting. I think you may have mentioned some of that before? It rings a bell.

Yes, I enjoy history and the fact that so many folk have passed through where I am.

Right now, I’m where Jonathan Swift, Samuel Beckett, U2, Father Ted, the Barings (the bank), the Vikings, prisoners of the Williamite campaign, the Talbot’s and possibly even George Harrison have ‘hung out.’

It’s on the coast about 7 miles north of Dublin.

Up the coast about 3 miles is Balbriggan, burned out by the Black and Tans 100 years ago.

The irony is Climate Change is eroding the coastline where I am.

Gypsy folk have a knack for things that’s somehow been conditioned over.

The curious thing about history, especially in these parts is that everyone suffered.

It’s a real conundrum why we make the same mistakes.

Back to the disappearing coastline before the inevitable happens…

Swift had a mysterious sweetheart, Stella Johnson living around here, his quotes still resonate today.

Strange how his stay in Ireland changed or modified his perspective…

“Burn everything that comes from England except their people and their coal.”

He’d make a fortune writing soundbites.

big packy

AFTERNOON all AND JIM, nice to see me up among the leaders on 30 pts,,not another true story🤩now I have not a clue about horses, joans dad frank was horses mad she told me when they went to tenby on holiday every other year franks first stop was the bookies, he could have watched liverpool win all those european cups, but was not interested in football ,horses or nothing although he lived near us in cheshire, he still travelled to work in woolton in liverpool where he was born ,quiz question what famous band had their first meeting in woolton, the local newsagent knew him that well ,that he had the racing news and 20 woodbines waiting for him on his way to work,,sad thiing is he worked till he was 68 then died at 69 the same age as JIM and myself ,fit as a fiddle not a grey hair in his head,,the moral of the story, you never know the minute in this life,another true story,

jimthetim53

Gonna guess The Beatles? btw, just noticed you’ve had 3 winners today so far. WELL DONE1

REBUS67@3:30pm
Interesting story.

big packy

JIM ,CYBER PINT of ?????

JimmynotPaul

I thought it was Croatia, he was going to, shows you what I know. 😂
Jack Ross got favourite to replace him, at Tannadice.

🇭🇺 Tam Courts has been named manager of Hungarian side Budapest Honved.

Courts new club finished 9th in the NB I this season, a slight improvement on the 10th placed finish the year prior.

All the best Tam 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 https://t.co/a67YH1gvBn

Saltires

A belter of a leader as always. Sadly, two of the Celts from the shipboard photo, were lost to us within a few years. On 9th December 1931, Peter Scarff had to withdraw from a game, after coughing up blood. TB was strongly suspected, and he was admitted to Bridge of Weir sanatorium. Sadly, he lost his battle with the scourge of the age, exactly 2 years after becoming unwell. He was laid to rest at Kilbarchan cemetery, shortly afterwords. Bertie Thomson sadly died from heart failure in 1937, aged only 30. Added to the tragic deaths of John Thomson and Charlie ‘Happy Feet’ Napier, in the early 30s, it was indeed a sad few years, for everyone connected to the club.

TGM

You’re on form today sir, and no mistake.

thetic

The placename Coronado seemed familiar to me, but I couldn’t quite remember why. Using my fantastic technical skills, I googled the name. Bingo! It’s where the US Navy SEALs are put through their paces.

SeS

Cheers folks … super busy these days… unable to get onto blog as much as I’d like.

Some brilliant chat over the last few days and good to see JTT53 back in action.

Bobby – aye, war is more like it … over the years it often gained an impression that US teams are overly physical in approach to ( soccer) games. Sense it plays to an enjoyment of full contact sports such as American Football and Hockey.

Having said that our Bhoys weren’t exactly backwards about coming forwards…

The Fenian Whaler – you recent comments on the exploitation of poor folk to produce Celtic strips and our commercial guys failing to understand theses issues. Absolutely top stuff buddy. I’d like to see Celts set up a small Fair Trade style biz in Glasgow hiring disadvantaged folk in our community… make strips locally and charge the fans a fair price. Return profits back into the community. Fek – I’d even buy one.

TGM – fantastic insight into history and aye this bliddy govt. are utterly contemptible ( hope I’m not breaking site rules..)

on the Willie Maley comments/extract .. I see where you are coming from, but my alternative reading of the comment was that he didn’t see the team being Jewish as any issue at all. His focus was on the cheating by referee.
Reading all the papers as background to this particular fixture, the Mayor of New York was actively seeking to utilise this particular game/occasion to mend local conflicts and gang issues between the Irish gangs ( presumably seen as predominantly RC ) and the local Jewish gangs … Maley would have been acutely aware of this fact.

Honestly, feel he was simply referring to the fact that they were a 100% Jewish team “this team was made up of Jews, I think, not that it made any difference, of course… ”

Genuinely feel religion of the Hakoah All Stars team wasn’t an issue for him at all … and all about the way Referee handled the game.

Might be wide if the mark… it won’t be the first… or last time 🤓

In his book ‘The Story of Celtic’ 1938/9 he goes to some lengths to praise the club for not following the path of Hibernians in early days ( who had insisted on their players being RC… ) then David Potter in his biography of Maley, (The Man Who Made Celtic) Tempus 2003, makes similar references to his views on his own personal desire to integrate the Irish into the wider Scottish community:

“Maley had inherited from his father a desire for integration of the Irish Community into Scotland. The Maley family were proudly Irish, but no less in love with Scotland into whose society they craved admission. Not for them was the narrow bigotry of some of their contemporaries, the paranoia which saw discrimination ( not always without cause) and victimisation at every turn. Maley’s vision was of a thriving Scotland in which the Catholic Irish would be an integral part, and also a recognised unit, accepted as being both Irish and Scottish an embodying the best of both cultures.”

Maley’s mother was a Canadian Scot ( Mary Montgomery) who converted to RC when she married Thomas Maley.

There is much in Maley’s views of life that resonate with my own ideals, and the more I find out about the man the more impressive he becomes.

Note: the one page extract in main article (above) was from a Biography on Ben Guttmann that covers the situation at the time and described Hakoah All Stars as Jewish.

SeS

Magua

Good to hear from you buddy –

As excellent as ever comments on that ’31 team and working on an article the that team surrounded by tragedy – Bawheid holds the subject very close to his heart and refers to a forthcoming book.

Could you help us out by doing a wee ‘leader’ on that period/squad etc?

It’s full of possibilities.

Nae pressure btw 😉

Saltires

Probably the most famous football club to bear the name Hakoah,was Hakoah Vienna, in the the 1930s. Hakoah, aaccording to Wikipedia, means “Strength”, in the Hebrew language. Hakoah Vienna players, provided the nucleus of the Austrian national team of the 1930s…otherwise known as the “Wunderteam.” After the German takeover of Austria in March 1938, the Austrian national team was dissolved, and the best players “advised” to play for the German national team. Of course, Jewish players were not included. Many perished in the Holocaust.

Hail Hail.

Prestonpans bhoys

What is this arse doing now:

Neil Doncaster told the SPFL website:

Under the terms of the revised cinch contract, Rangers are no longer required to participate by providing the sponsorship inventory that they have so far not provided, whilst, crucially, the overall income to Scottish football is expected to remain materially unchanged over the original five-year term of the sponsorship. This revised package has now been approved by cinch Premiership Clubs

SeS

Magua – that’s interesting buddy

PB – are we reading this as an ongoing sponsorship deal for Scottish fitba that includes every team in Scottish top flight … apart from Sevco?

Will they even have to play games -just rely on pools panel for 3 points etc.,

Prestonpans bhoys

SeS

Possibly or are Old Firm FC getting away with their non participation nonsense BUT still getting payments from the deal.

Don’t have a Scooby Doo😵😱

big packy

SES brilliant as usual, magua, what makes this team famous, cyber bottle of buckie, courtesy of JIM. LOL.
Beattie, Donnelly, Fallon, Fernie, Evans, Peacock, Tully, Collins, McPhail, Wilson, Mochan.

Prestonpans bhoys

Un-feckin-believable. In any normal footballing jurisdiction, a non-participating club in a sponsorship deal, would be asked to toe the line…or else. I wonder if Cinch have signed off on this? Once again, Bankier et al, show where their true loyalties lie. Hun bastards. This could get messy. I’m thinking a fans’ rebellion against their own clubs, similar to “No To Newco” in 2012.

Big Packy

Seven past Niven. 😀

SeS

BP – cheers buddy

big packy

MAGUA cyber bottle of eldorado on its way😎😎

Prestonpans bhoys

Just read the article on 67hailhail. It is not made clear whether the Huns will receive money from Cinch. If they refuse to participate, they should be receiving hee-haw. What price justice? Honestly.

Big Packy

El D will be gratefully accepted…even though I prefer Lanlic. 😀

Hail Hail.

big packy

SES, thank you for all your time you put in to your posts,,cyber pint of buckfast to you😎😎

big packy

MAGUA have changed that to lanliq, that is sol kitts drink 😎 he will be on now to crucify me😎

Prestonpans bhoys

Magua

I think it has been deliberately made ambiguous for that reason, Doncaster is a slimy eel

Prestonpans bhoys

I thoroughly agree with that description of Doncaster. His rightful position should be on the PLC board. He’d fit right in. As for whether the Huns will financially benefit from the New deal? I fear the worst.

Craig76

I think that I might be adding to my book collection, Craig.

Hail Hail.

JimmynotPaul

Craig.
The David Slyme ( as we called him ) was the referee in both these games.
I never knew that about Irvine Welsh/Slyme. I follow Irvine on Twitter, he’s entertaining, that’s for sure.
1986-10-26: Celtic 1-2 Rangers, League Cup Final
After extra time.
Controversial refereeing decisions go against Celtic. A dubious penalty and Mo Johnston was sent off.
Johnston disgraces the Celtic jersey as he provocatively made the sign of the cross to Rangers’ fans as he ran off the park.
Tony Shepherd was also sent off but was allowed to stay on the field after referee Syme changed his mind.
David Hay advocates Celtic moving to the English leagues after the match in a knee jerk outburst as he believes Celtic are being discriminated against by referees.
Tommy Burns had been seriously injured in the previous game against Dynamo Kiev at Celtic Park. He had been taking the left back’s role and with him missing Murdo MacLeod had to fit into the left back position.
Peter Grant was used as a right back at the start of the game – a position he became used in more and more as the season progressed.

1978-03-18: Celtic 1-2 Rangers, League Cup
Celtic appear in their 14th consecutive League Cup final and they have now lost eight of them.
Game kicked off at 1pm to avoid crowd trouble.
Jock Stein’s last major final as Celtic manager.
Only 5 of Celtic’s starting eleven remained from the Scottish Cup victory over Rangers nine months previously.
Both Doyle and Lynch had fitness tests before the game.
Rangers reeling from the tragic death of their winger Bobby McKean only three days previously. Both teams wore black armbands in his honour. May he rest in peace.
Stein fined £200 after telling referee Syme at full time ‘Your father would have been proud of you’.

Craig76

MAGUA
The book wad published in 98, had a look on amazon and they only had 2nd copies 👍

JNP
“Controversial refereeing decisions go against Celtic”
That phrase could of been used from 1888 to the present day in most of our games

Craig76

SES
Always look forward to your “on this day article”, another fine read 👍

JNP

I remember that final in 86 as if it was yesterday. The cheating was off the scale. I travelled through from Stirling, with a Hibee mate…and his brother. Who was a Jambo. The three of us had one thing in common. We all cordially detested the Ibrox club. The Jambo’s eyes were certainly opened. He could not believe the bias against Celtic, on display that day. On the bright side, I was on my best behaviour that day. I did not mention Albert Kidd, Love Street or Dens Park even once. I was well chuffed with myself.

Craig76

Managed to source an “as new” copy on eBay. We’ll see how that turns out. 😀

Hail Hail.

A thing of beauty

St Tams,
Hope your mother in law makes a speedy recovery and you’ll be able to book another holiday soon.

JimmynotPaul

Magua.
Yes, I was at 86 game, too.
Up there with the 3.1 game at Ibrox in 1978 which JPR Gordon refereed, that the worse one for me.
I was at that one as a 14 year old, that’s when I realised that the dice are loaded against us.